First Impressions of my Rapid 2 .22 FAC Modified by CS Firearms

[Rapidnick]

I have always been a devotee of the 'optimum performance' school of air rifle tuning rather than a searcher for greater power. Possibly owning a .22 LR rifle enables me to be relaxed on that score. However one must be flexible and from time to time give the 'more power' school of tuning a fair evaluation. This is what I intend to do here.
My recent acquisition is a late model Theoben Rapid 2 fitted with the excellent series 4 trigger unit and was supplied to the original owner by Theoben as an FAC rifle equipped with fast flow valving. It was then sent to CS Firearms in Manchester for extensive modifications. The porting and valving were reworked and the barrel changed for a 21"-I believe BSA. The original Evolution silencer with Vortex end cap was retained and I was pretty certain that this unit would not be sufficient to tame the blast from a rifle deisgned to produce 45 ft lb with my favoured Bisley Magnum 21.4 grain pellets. As personal handover of this rifle was not possible it was sent to my local RFD by Sam Bolton of CS Firearms and I took delivery last Friday. Sam informed me that I should expect 36 ish shots from a 500cc bottle at the power level he had set. My instinct told me that I would soon be reducing the power to gain the advantage of more shots preferably from the 'standard' 400cc bottle. Anyway I shot the rifle as supplied and unsurprisingly found it too noisy. I expected this so my first job was to replace the Evo/Vortex with a bored out Rob Lane I had in stock which sat a couple of inches down the barrel. This did the trick and rendered the rifle very quiet indeed as well as giving me a silenced barrel only slightly longer than the 19" with Evo silencer so I was well pleased with that.
I shot off a couple of mags and zero'ed the rifle with my lovely Nikon Monarch 6.5-20x44 scope. It was spot on!! So far so good. I then chrono'ed the rifle and found the power output running around 45 ft lb. I knew that I didn't want to run it like this so I consulted Sam to check that my proposed reduction of power to 40 ft lb wouldn't offend him in any way:eek: Happily he confirmed that what I proposed to do was correct. After a little bit of modification work the power was reduced to my target 40 ft lb-around 920 ft sec with BisMags which to me would be just about perfect for this rifle. I re zero'ed and found the rifle was still spot on even though the effort needed to cock the bolt was usefully reduced. I have some heavy duty swinging metal discs set up around my shooting ground at distances between 50 and 60 yards and I hit them all spot on with a satisfying 'smack' without difficulty so I am very pleased.:)
As the weather has been so awful I have not had an opportunity to check shot count using the 400cc bottle so I will revert when I can give you some meaningful shot figures.
My existing beloved Rapid 2 FAC BT regulated hunting rifle has undergone some changes too. I have changed the barrel to 16" and tested the noise with a Ripley silencer and a newly modded Evo/Vortex with UK Neil's internals. Both were very quiet so as the Evo looks so good on the Rapid I have decided to use that one. The power level on this rifle has dropped slightly with the barrel size reduction and it now runs very sweetly and accurately shooting AA Field 16 grainers at around 900 ft sec (29 ft lb). Again i have not had an opportunity to see what the barrel size reduction has done to the shot count so will revert on here when I can.
I now believe I have the 'tools for the job' at anything up to 80 yards in wind free conditions and 70 with a breeze from the 21" rifle and about 10 yards less in good conditions with the 16". For anything else, there is always .22LR!!:D

[jamie g]

great write up m8 they sound great rifles,
rabbits and crows beware when nicks about ;) :D :D :D

[Fireblader954]

I'd never part with my FAC Rapid!

Great review mate!:D

Fireblader

[SP_Rapid]

I'd never part with my FAC Rapid!

Great review mate!:D

Fireblader

Yes great review

[stillair1]

Sounds good Nick. Just wondered why you bothered to reduce from 970fps. Was purely shot count, or was there some jetting at 45ftlb etc.
I'm current testing a BT regged mk11 at 29ftlb with a 500ml bottle. Can't make me mind up about the longer bottle at the mo. :)

Neil

[Rapidnick]

Sounds good Nick. Just wondered why you bothered to reduce from 970fps. Was purely shot count, or was there some jetting at 45ftlb etc.
I'm current testing a BT regged mk11 at 29ftlb with a 500ml bottle. Can't make me mind up about the longer bottle at the mo. :)

Neil

Neil tell me what I can do at 45 ft lb that I can't do at 40?? The waste of air is phenomenal.
At 29 ft lb the 500 cc bottle will give you more shots but, assuming you have a 19" barrel, the BT reg should be giving you around 90 which would be fine for me. I would stick to the 400cc bottle personally. :D

[stillair1]

I can see where your coming from Nick;) Will be interested in the shot count with the 400ml bottle. Do the bsa barrels still run with a tapered choked barrel btw.

[verminhunter]

Very nice review nick and I'am pleased for you.Sounds like a nice bit of kit and would look forward shooting it.Tell you what ,you have me over to shoot it and I'll bring a box of
Baklavs,how's that grab ya?:D

[Rapidnick]

I can see where your coming from Nick;) Will be interested in the shot count with the 400ml bottle. Do the bsa barrels still run with a tapered choked barrel btw.

I honestly don't know.:o Perhaps someone can tell us?

[Rapidnick]

I promised to update this thread on shot count. Using a 400cc bottle I shot 5x12 shot magazine loads of Bisley Magnum. The first shots are all around 930 ft sec equivalent to 41 ft lb. Chrono'ing the last 5 shots the fps reading was 915, 907, 899, 913 and 889. This gives between 38 and 40 ft lb of usable power on the last five shots . Even the last shot works out at almost 38 ft lb so I reckon that 60 shots per 400cc fill to 240 bar is realistic and excellent. I am VERY pleased-well done to CS Firearms.:D :D
I am undecided as to whether I will use a 500cc or 400cc bottle-any thoughts on that?:eek:

[kdubya]

I promised to update this thread on shot count. Using a 400cc bottle I shot 5x12 shot magazine loads of Bisley Magnum. The first shots are all around 930 ft sec equivalent to 41 ft lb. Chrono'ing the last 5 shots the fps reading was 915, 907, 899, 913 and 889. This gives between 38 and 40 ft lb of usable power on the last five shots . Even the last shot works out at almost 38 ft lb so I reckon that 60 shots per 400cc fill to 240 bar is realistic and excellent. I am VERY pleased-well done to CS Firearms.:D :D
I am undecided as to whether I will use a 500cc or 400cc bottle-any thoughts on that?:eek:

Good aint they? I have two!! both modded by CS (sam) I have one one running as yours just on 41 lbs with bis mags I have always used 55 shots as a marker for a fill with this one but I am sure I could squeeze more out,
my other is running @31 with aa fields I fill when i have emptied 6 mags ie 72
these two guns have accounted for more bunnies than my .22 rimmy and .17 hmr put together very very accurate bits of kit and very reliable as well.
enjoy KW

[atheo]

I can see where your coming from Nick;) Will be interested in the shot count with the 400ml bottle. Do the bsa barrels still run with a tapered choked barrel btw.

Have a look in the for sale section on the Airgunforum....donnyc:)

[stillair1]

Thanks Alan, oop's missed another bargain. Looked a bit heated towards the end of the thread though.:confused: :)

Thanks Nick for the update on shots per 400ml. Your right that extra 50fps costs in air.:eek:

[Sam@CS]

Nick,

The rifle was originally set up to 50ft/lbs using the 28.5gr Dae Sung pellets, the 45 you were seeing with Magnums is just the side effect of using a lighter pellet....

The reason it was set @ 50 with these is that I have found, on occasion, Bisley Mags can become a little unstabe at this sort of powerlevel (in excess of 1,000fps!) :eek:

Using the 21" barrel & 500cc bottle as you are, (this is a standard conversion), you should expect around 35 good shots @ 50ft/lbs.
Having spoken, I know it was your intention to reduce the muzzle energy.

As you quite rightly stated earlier on, with the 21" barrel and smaller 400cc bottle used, you should expect around 60 good shots per fill, a significant increase over the factory equivellant which only manages 40 shots @ 40ft/lbs using the longer 23" barrel!

Thank you very much for the review and the kind words.


Rgds,

Sam. :)

[Rapidnick]

As a small postscript to this thread, I have now finished my test on the BT regged Rapid 2 after changing the barrel from 19" to 16". I use 7 shot mags and shot 12 of them filled with AA Field 16 grain pellets so 84 full power shots before I refilled. It MAY have done a few more shots but no point in trying and risking running 'off the reg'. 84 shots at 29 ft lb is certainly plenty for me with a nice handy-sized rifle. I am delighted with both my FAC Rapids so a big thanks to both Ben Taylor and Sam Bolton for their excellent work.:) :)

[swedey21]

Nick Ditch the 500cc bottle mate,i had one and hated it!
Far too front heavy for me..and as you know im a big lad ...not in that way mind ;)

Your making me miss my rapids now..:(

Still got a hard hittin .25 now..so alls not lost...:D

[Rapidnick]

You are quite right Andrew. After turning the power down I get 60 shots from a 400cc bottle. :D Funnily enough the 500cc bottle was better balanced than I expected but I do prefer the 400cc one.
Hope all is well with you.:)

[verminhunter]

Nick listern put a 800cc bottle,that way you'll have bundles of shots and you'll get the chance to look like "Rambo".:D :D

[swedey21]

Nick listern put a 800cc bottle,that way you'll have bundles of shots and you'll get the chance to look like "Rambo".:D :D

:D :D :D :D
Funny you would say that i could actually picture nick as rambo...:eek:


All is well this end Nick cheers..

[verminhunter]

[QUOTE=swedey21;1630261]:D :D :D :D
Funny you would say that i could actually picture nick as rambo...:eek:





:D :D :D :D

And all's well at this end too.hehehe

[Rapidnick]

Andrew and Costas you are a pair of silly bu$$ers!!:) You would probably both get on very well together munching through a feast of calamari and gleftiko.:eek:
Come to that, I might join you!! :D

[verminhunter]

Andrew and Costas you are a pair of silly bu$$ers!!:) You would probably both get on very well together munching through a feast of calamari and gleftiko.:eek:
Come to that, I might join you!! :D






Now Now "Rambo" you forgot to mention "Paklava" for afters,you know you love it.:D :D

[Rapidnick]

Now Now "Rambo" you forgot to mention "Paklava" for afters,you know you love it.:D :D

Agreed Costas-please bring some along!!:D

[biggles]

As a small postscript to this thread, I have now finished my test on the BT regged Rapid 2 after changing the barrel from 19" to 16". I use 7 shot mags and shot 12 of them filled with AA Field 16 grain pellets so 84 full power shots before I refilled. It MAY have done a few more shots but no point in trying and risking running 'off the reg'. 84 shots at 29 ft lb is certainly plenty for me with a nice handy-sized rifle. I am delighted with both my FAC Rapids so a big thanks to both Ben Taylor and Sam Bolton for their excellent work.:) :)

Hi Nick

I'm still dreaming of getting my Mk2 FAC'd, encouraged along by recent acquisition of a BIG (500 acre) plot to shoot over and this brilliant article/review of yours; perhaps especially the news about the 16" barrel BT'd edition, as I'd really like to keep mine a 'shorty'.

Couple of questions to add -

1. Very keen to know if the 16" barrel you're using is the 'standard' (certainly nothing wrong with it at 12 ft lbs) original Theoben fit? If not, what breed of barrel did you choose - and why?
2. Was the reported shot count (84) with 400 or 500cc bottles?
3. If fitted (can't imagine not), what moderator do you use on your 16"er?

Cheer, in anticipation

Biggles

[Rapidnick]

Hi Nick

I'm still dreaming of getting my Mk2 FAC'd, encouraged along by recent acquisition of a BIG (500 acre) plot to shoot over and this brilliant article/review of yours; perhaps especially the news about the 16" barrel BT'd edition, as I'd really like to keep mine a 'shorty'.

Couple of questions to add -

1. Very keen to know if the 16" barrel you're using is the 'standard' (certainly nothing wrong with it at 12 ft lbs) original Theoben fit? If not, what breed of barrel did you choose - and why?
2. Was the reported shot count (84) with 400 or 500cc bottles?
3. If fitted (can't imagine not), what moderator do you use on your 16"er?

Cheer, in anticipation

Biggles

The 16" barrel is standard as supplied byTheoben then re-ported. You probably know that the longer the barrel the more efficient it is -within reason.:)
My quoted shot count was with a 400cc bottle-no point in a short barrel and long bottle is there!! Every rifle is different so you may not get 84 shots but you should find the shot count more than adequate. Provided you are happy with around 28ft lb a regulated rifle with 16" barrel will give you everything you need and could reasonably want from an FAC air rifle.
If I owned only 1 FAC air rifle I think I would use it with a 19" barrel-as I have done for many years getting around 90 shots at 30 ft lb- but using the 16" one you will find it slightly less efficient but more 'pointable' so, as they say, you pay your money and choose your barrel length!!:D I am delighted with both of mine for different uses.

[biggles]

Nick

Thanks so much for this exchange. No disrespect to any other bbs members, in any earlier conversations, but in one brief encounter with your good self I really do now have all the answers I've been trying to resolve for the past year or so.

Hope that I can now get the (FAC) admin sorted ... b4 contacting BT (and I do NOT mean British Telecomms) for a quote :D

Biggles

[Rapidnick]

Nick

Thanks so much for this exchange. No disrespect to any other bbs members, in any earlier conversations, but in one brief encounter with your good self I really do now have all the answers I've been trying to resolve for the past year or so.

Hope that I can now get the (FAC) admin sorted ... b4 contacting BT (and I do NOT mean British Telecomms) for a quote :D

Biggles
Glad to have been of help. I forgot to add that I use a standard Theoben Evo /Vortex moderator with internals from UK Neil on the 16" barrel. On the 21" I use a Rob Lane-sadly no longer made- which I have found to be excellent at higher power levels.:)

[verminhunter]

Nick give me the rifle, you aint got time to shoot a 40ftlb and besides you always said "what is a 40ftlb gona do what a 30ftlb aint" your word my man your words.:D

So I've come to the conclusion that really and truely the rifle will need a proper test and who else but me will give it a good test,I'll put it through its pace's and if it does what I tell it to do then I will shake your hand and say
"this is a wonderful rifle nick you lucky so and so":D

Deal?:D

[Rapidnick]

Nick give me the rifle, you aint got time to shoot a 40ftlb and besides you always said "what is a 40ftlb gona do what a 30ftlb aint" your word my man your words.:D

So I've come to the conclusion that really and truely the rifle will need a proper test and who else but me will give it a good test,I'll put it through its pace's and if it does what I tell it to do then I will shake your hand and say
"this is a wonderful rifle nick you lucky so and so":D

Deal?:D

I have always been a devotee of the 'optimum performance' school of air rifle tuning rather than a searcher for greater power. Possibly owning a .22 LR rifle enables me to be relaxed on that score. However one must be flexible and from time to time give the 'more power' school of tuning a fair evaluation. This is what I intend to do here.

Costas this was the first sentence from my thread starter. However I would value your opinion and will give you a good 'go' of it when I get back from Asia.
Under supervision of course.:p

[verminhunter]

[I]costas this was the first sentence from my thread starter. However I would value your opinion and will give you a good 'go' of it when I get back from Asia.
Under supervision of course.:p





"Under supervision" !
Whya,you noo trusti me? ,I shootee strait yes? whadis problem? me good shootee,me fixi gun for you and givee a truth abouta your gun mr Nikolas.:D :D :D

[Rapidnick]

"Under supervision" !
Whya,you noo trusti me? ,I shootee strait yes? whadis problem? me good shootee,me fixi gun for you and givee a truth abouta your gun mr Nikolas.:D :D :D


What a terrifying prospect!! YOU fixing a rifle?? Shooting one, yes,:D fixing one, leave it to Ben and Sam Cos- you KNOW it makes sense.:eek:

[biggles]

Nick

One final (for now) question.

In the earlier (pre-modified) version of your reply, you mentioned using the Vortex silencer with innards replaced by some from Rob Lane. Do you have any more details on this, including contact info? Is it easy to fit?

Biggles

[Rapidnick]

Nick

One final (for now) question.

In the earlier (pre-modified) version of your reply, you mentioned using the Vortex silencer with innards replaced by some from Rob Lane. Do you have any more details on this, including contact info? Is it easy to fit?

Biggles

No sorry. The silencer on the shorter barrel is the Theoben Evo/Vortex with internals from UK Neil. The silencer on the longer barrel is the Rob Lane.:D
The silencer originally fitted to the longer barrel was a standard Evo Vortex but I changed it.
Hope that is clear now.:)

[verminhunter]

Well lads on sat afternoon I went to my friend rapidnicks for a shoot-out and to teach him how to hold a rifle properly:D not really he's a good shot that crafty tea-bag,so what does he pull out for me to shoot? the FAC .22 40ftlb Rapid MK2 fetted by C@S FIREARMS.

At first glance you can tell it looks awesome with that rob lane silencer fitted and a 21ins barrel it did'nt look too bad as it go's .Loaded up and ready to fire,BANG,what a lovely rifle to shoot ,very quiet and very accurate I must say,the bolt-action is very smooth and the trigger is beautiful,its a -fast-flow and to my surprise it banged every shot all the through 60 shots,now that is amazing.

I was very impressed with nicks new toy and also impressed with sam's work too,a real gem of a rifle and if I could have another .22 in FAC I certainly would buy this off nick,I'd bite his hand off,nice very nice nick and good luck to you,may you have many hrs of pleasure shooting this awesome rifle.;) :)

[Sam@CS]

Now then, Costas, I know you've been itching to have a play with one of mylittle toys, glad you've had chance to scratch that itch and glad you enjoyed the shoot. :cool:

Thanks both for the kind words, very much appreciated. :)

[verminhunter]

Now then, Costas, I know you've been itching to have a play with one of mylittle toys, glad you've had chance to scratch that itch and glad you enjoyed the shoot. :cool:

Thanks both for the kind words, very much appreciated. :)





Look Sam its the truth ,I speak as I find ,if its not up to my liking then I'd say so.It is nice sam and your work is nice,hearing from people is one thing but having something like this in my hand is another and I certainly put it through it pace,shame it werent a very good day as in it was windy down at nicks(he also eat a tin of beans course that did'nt help):D :D otherwise I'd have giving it abit more and also out in the field but it is nice sam and thats what its all about.;) :)

[airgun god]

Nick listern put a 800cc bottle,that way you'll have bundles of shots and you'll get the chance to look like "Rambo".

funny that iv'e had a 800cc bottle on mymk1 rapid for ages:) :) :)

[verminhunter]

Nick listern put a 800cc bottle,that way you'll have bundles of shots and you'll get the chance to look like "Rambo".

funny that iv'e had a 800cc bottle on mymk1 rapid for ages:) :) :)






800cc BOTTLE:eek: ,first of all the rifle will look ugly and 2nd nick's arms will look like popeye's after afew shoots.
What a thing to say air-gun god,Iam sure you dont like our nickolas.:D :D
800cc,your aving a laff aint ya.;)

[60/60]

800cc BOTTLE:eek: ,first of all the rifle will look ugly and 2nd nick's arms will look like popeye's after afew shoots.
What a thing to say air-gun god,Iam sure you dont like our nickolas.:D :D
800cc,your aving a laff aint ya.;)

imho looks beautiful custom made rapidpaulus stock v.nice awt barrell and a 800cc bottel it looks nice mate dont think he has ever got a shot count though got bored after a while:):):):)

[Lez325]

why not go the whole Hog and strap a 12 litre 300 bar jobbie on - talk about Rambo :eek: :eek: :D

Les :cool:

[verminhunter]

why not go the whole Hog and strap a 12 litre 300 bar jobbie on - talk about Rambo :eek: :eek: :D

Les :cool:






Now your talking Lez,12lt straped to nicky's back,all tubed up from bottle to rifle aw what,he'll look like Dr Spock but without the ears.:D :D :D
Poor old Nick.:D :D :D

Better still more like one of those Flame throwing blokes but without the flames.

[60/60]

why not go the whole Hog and strap a 12 litre 300 bar jobbie on - talk about Rambo :eek: :eek: :D

Les :cool:

funny enough i know some one who has done this its like rite thats 3 shots fill the baby up

[verminhunter]

Thats it,new name nick,its gona be nick the flame-man.:D :D :D

[Rapidnick]

As an update I am now using the 500cc bottle on the long barrelled rifle. Balance is fine and I am getting another magazine (making a total 72 shots) from a fill of air.:D

[niko]

hi nik ,any chance you could tell me how much bigger the 500cc bottle is (than the 400)
and my rapid is due back from sam any time now :D

[Rapidnick]

hi nik ,any chance you could tell me how much bigger the 500cc bottle is (than the 400)
and my rapid is due back from sam any time now :D

They are the same diameter and the 500cc bottle is 2 3/4" (7cm) longer than the 400cc one. Looking forward to your rifle aren't you??? :p What spec are you having?

[Arcticgun]

Reading your threads regarding FAC Theobens is starting to make me want to withdraw my MFR from the sales section and bite the bullet (so to speak) and get my FAC sorted and have it upgraded. I think I would use CS to get the rellevant work done, as they appear to be well recommended. Would I have to have a longer barrel fitted? the power level I would like to get would be around the 30ftlb mark, however when I used the barrel extension silencer the rifles balance altered and it was to long IMO.atb Richard

[Rapidnick]

I agree and never use a silencer extension because it removes the point of the short shrouded barrel.
Good luck with the conversion!! 28-30 ft lb is great with the MFR.:D

[niko]

They are the same diameter and the 500cc bottle is 2 3/4" (7cm) longer than the 400cc one. Looking forward to your rifle aren't you??? :p What spec are you having?

chears mate ,
ive had mine set up on a reg at 30lbs but also a fast flow valve at 40lbs so i can see what i prefer ,also if i want i can change between the two
these are both with biz mags and a 16" barrel

[Sam@CS]

Niko,

Providing Colin has been able to speak to your RFD and exchange details, I will be shipping the rifle to him on Monday.

:)

[C3PO_1]

Hi Nick,

Thanks for the great review and detail ... really informative and useful.

[niko]

Niko,

Providing Colin has been able to speak to your RFD and exchange details, I will be shipping the rifle to him on Monday.

:)

:D :D :D ,
just been up to see him ,he didnt say anything ,fingers crossed

[Sam@CS]

I will give Colin a prod in the morning, perhaps he didn't manage to get your man on the dog and bone... :confused:

I'll chase it first thing tomorrow for you. :)

[niko]

I will give Colin a prod in the morning, perhaps he didn't manage to get your man on the dog and bone... :confused:

I'll chase it first thing tomorrow for you. :)

cheers mate

[Sam@CS]

Reading your threads regarding FAC Theobens is starting to make me want to withdraw my MFR from the sales section and bite the bullet (so to speak) and get my FAC sorted and have it upgraded. I think I would use CS to get the rellevant work done, as they appear to be well recommended. Would I have to have a longer barrel fitted? the power level I would like to get would be around the 30ftlb mark, however when I used the barrel extension silencer the rifles balance altered and it was to long IMO.atb Richard

Richard,

I always recommend sticking to the 16" barrel with an MFR in FAC format.
Look beyond mega power, 28-30ft/lbs is no laughing matter if you're a rabbit. :D

If you do fit a longer barrel, you end up having to extend the shroud, which makes it a bit of a washing pole, and to me, this defeats the entire purpose of the MFR.

Reduced barrel diameter with shroud and 280cc bottle, its all about being compact, light, balanced and pointable, best kept that way imho.

[verminhunter]

Richard,

I always recommend sticking to the 16" barrel with an MFR in FAC format.
Look beyond mega power, 28-30ft/lbs is no laughing matter if you're a rabbit. :D

If you do fit a longer barrel, you end up having to extend the shroud, which makes it a bit of a washing pole, and to me, this defeats the entire purpose of the MFR.

Reduced barrel diameter with shroud and 280cc bottle, its all about being compact, light, balanced and pointable, best kept that way imho.







Dont agree Sam,I had a MFR with the 16ins barrel/shroud and with the add-on for that extra quiet,shots were 60 shots at 27ftlb,it was accurate and quiet but it felt as you say a fishing pole.Then one day after finding out that you can fit a 15.9 rapid barrel I brought a 19ins L/W barrel with a AWT silencer together,I took it to ben where he fitted it for me plus the porting,you know what its the best thing I ever did to the MFR,well-balanced 60full power reged shots at 30.5ftlb with a 3-5fps variation and it looks awesome too plus shorter then the flag pole I had and better looking.

So you see sam you can make a MFR much more beautiful and better balanced with a longer barrel but it wont have the shroud effect and to be honest with you I really dont like the shrouded barrels on the MFR and the BSA s10,they look like shot-guns(single barrel) and not my taste.

[Sam@CS]

Point is Costas, I don't need to use a 19" barrel to get that sort of shotcount @ 30ft/lbs, so why bother?

50 - 60 shots @ 30 is do-able with a 16" barrel, so why go against everything the MFR was designed to be and cock it up like that?
Might as well have bought a Mk2. :rolleyes:

[sbd]

...to agree with the Sam Man here, If you want to stick a 19, seperate mod etc on an MFR why not just buy a Mk1/2 and upgrade? Otherwise you defeat the object of an MFR.
Been spending some time in Cz with my CS 32 ftlb Mk1 hybrid and KevG MFR (12 ftlb) and I love them both but they have very different characteristics and purposes. To me long barrel/mod changes is not that of the MFR.

[Sam@CS]

You dropped it down from 40ft/lbs then, Andy?

Hope its giving those hares some grief! :D :D

[sbd]

...chum,

eventually I settled @ 32 but using JSB's for more velocity and and a slim washer at the back of the hammer spring to bring it back up. Sitting on a 23" Harris and my **** on a nice fat foam squab I had some cracking sport over the winter :)
Recently though been tickling doves off new shoots with the KevG MFR and loving that too :)

Got a reg setter/tester on the way so may tap you for some washers/settings soon :p

A

[verminhunter]

Point is Costas, I don't need to use a 19" barrel to get that sort of shotcount @ 30ft/lbs, so why bother?

50 - 60 shots @ 30 is do-able with a 16" barrel, so why go against everything the MFR was designed to be and cock it up like that?
Might as well have bought a Mk2. :rolleyes:











You see sam the lenght of the 16ins barrel fitted with the shroud is the same lenght as the 19ins barrel ,also the MFR running at 30ftlb with the 280 bottle only gave me approx 48 shots where as the longer barrel gives me more.
I have a mk2 as you know but the reason I did this to the mfr was its diffrent feel,slimmer bottle and a tad lighter plus the ability to load a pellet manualy with ease.I would love to show you my MFR but I cant do piccys,dont think I've cocked anything up there me old son,anyone who's seen my MFR will tell you how beautiful it is and well balanced,But hey whatever floats each mans boat .;) :)

[Rapidnick]

You see sam the lenght of the 16ins barrel fitted with the shroud is the same lenght as the 19ins barrel ,also the MFR running at 30ftlb with the 280 bottle only gave me approx 48 shots where as the longer barrel gives me more.
I have a mk2 as you know but the reason I did this to the mfr was its diffrent feel,slimmer bottle and a tad lighter plus the ability to load a pellet manualy with ease.I would love to show you my MFR but I cant do piccys,dont think I've cocked anything up there me old son,anyone who's seen my MFR will tell you how beautiful it is and well balanced,But hey whatever floats each mans boat .;) :)

There is no doubt that Costas's MFR is lovely. There again it does have a fabulous Gary Cane stock! In handling terms it feels pretty much like a Mk 2 with the slimmer bottle and easier manual load. When I see him next I will take pics of it and send them to Sam.:D

[verminhunter]

There is no doubt that Costas's MFR is lovely. There again it does have a fabulous Gary Cane stock! In handling terms it feels pretty much like a Mk 2 with the slimmer bottle and easier manual load. When I see him next I will take pics of it and costas then send them to Sam.:D





Thank you Nick.

That'll be good for you to see sam,a photo of me and me MFR,both good-looking if I may say so myself.:D :D :D


PS.To be honest here every modle of rapid be it a mk1 or mk2 ,mfr, s-type they ALL handle like a rapid.;) :D

[kevG]

Thank you Nick.

That'll be good for you to see sam,a photo of me and me MFR,both good-looking if I may say so myself.:D :D :D


PS.To be honest here every modle of rapid be it a mk1 or mk2 ,mfr, s-type they ALL handle like a rapid.;) :D

:D :D sod of costas,your even more ugly than the rapid :D :D :p

kevG

[verminhunter]

:D :D sod of costas,your even more ugly than the rapid :D :D :p

kevG







When's the last time you had a good old nose around at the mirror?.......:eek:

Exactly.:D :D :D

[Sam@CS]

That'll be good for you to see sam,a photo of me and me MFR,both good-looking if I may say so myself.:D :D :D

Who's guide dog told you that, Costas? :eek: :D :D ;)

[verminhunter]

Who's guide dog told you that, Costas? :eek: :D :D ;)





Dont belive in what guide dogs have to say sammy,its those lovely beautiful women who make those remarks about how "Hansome" and "Good looking" I 'am,cant all be blind can they.So when I meet up with nikolas I'll do a couple of piccys for you to hang in your shop-front window with me and me MFR ,you never know you might have alot of young girls hanging around out-side your shop,you'd like that would'nt you.:D :D :D