What is this rifle?

[I. J.]

On my travels today I managed to pick up this rifle.

Now, who will be the first to tell me what it is and the name embossed onto its side during manufacture. :confused: :D Its .177 if that any help (and its not) :p

The clock is ticking. :D

Photo 1 (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1559/photo1fv1.jpg)

Photo 2 (http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4804/photo2ex8.jpg)

ATB
Ian :D

[Paddy_SP]

Khamsin? :confused:

[I. J.]

Khamsin? :confused:

Good grief PADDY - let the ink on the photo dry. Good try but NO! :D

[James N]

Webley Tracker

[gino]

Webley Tracker??

[I. J.]

Webley Tracker

No.


Webley Tracker??

And no!

:D :D :D

[gino]

Diana 45??

[James N]

Webley Tracker??

not just me then:D

[peter65]

Webley Tracker

[I. J.]

Diana 45??

No! :D

[I. J.]

Webley Tracker

Still no. :D

[James N]

Still no. :D

but it might be...

[Pod]

Is it still not a Webley Tracker?

[gino]

Rws 48????

[I. J.]

Is it still not a Webley Tracker?

Still not a Tracker. ;)


Rws 48????

Sorry, no.

(This has lasted longer than I thought :D )

[Gareth W-B]

Hi Ian, could it be a carbine Webley Viscount with an after-market moded modorator fitted? (Gareth W-B).

[I. J.]

Hi Ian, could it be a carbine Webley Viscount with an after-market moded modorator fitted? (Gareth W-B).

It could be - but its not. ;) :D :D

[Gareth W-B]

Hummmm, then could it be a carbine Webley Osprey with an after-market moded modorator and barrel then?

[Sam Vimes]

Definitely a Webley. As the Tracker and Viscount are out it surely must be an Osprey.

[I. J.]

....... are out it surely must be an Osprey.

No its NOT an Osprey (and dont call me Shirley ;) ).

:D :D :D

[I. J.]

Webley Viscount K?

:)

Sorry missed this one .......
























NO ! :D :D :D

[I. J.]

Being the generous guy that I am heres another .......

photo (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1159/photo3sj1.jpg)

I know its blurred - I'm not THAT generous.


:D :D :D

[Sam Vimes]

Is this going to be something daft that's marked up as a Beeman? No idea what the model number would be though if it is (C1?). The other option is that it's just marked up as a Webley Supertarget.
Just found a reference to a Webley Airwolf too?:confused:

[storminnorm]

is it a barnett spitfire

[I. J.]

On my travels today I managed to pick up this rifle.

Now, who will be the first to tell me what it is and the name embossed onto its side during manufacture. :confused: :D Its .177 if that any help (and its not) :p

ATB
Ian :D


is it a barnett spitfire a.k.a. a Webley Tracker.


Well done sir :D and welcome to the BBS.

Whats embossed on the side of the gun. (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6758/barnettye4.jpg) :D

Had some of you going there.

ATB
Ian

[Sam Vimes]

a.k.a. a Webley Tracker.


Well done sir :D and welcome to the BBS.

Whats embossed on the side of the gun. (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6758/barnettye4.jpg) :D

Had some of you going there.

ATB
Ian

Presumably made by Webley for Barnett? Which of the Webleys is it based on?

Edit, forget it I just missed the Webley Tracker line.;)

[I. J.]

Barnett Spitfire. (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8388/spitfirexz6.jpg) :p ;)

ATB
Ian

[Garvin]

Looks like a Tracker with a Victor foresight. Are you sure it's not a Webley Tractor?
:D

[I. J.]

Looks like a Tracker with a Victor foresight. Are you sure it's not a Webley Tractor?
:D

'Webley Tractor!' Strange you should say that - I used to own several tractors but I recently sold them all.



















I'm an ex tractor fan. :o

Good night!

ATB
Ian

[Lakey]

It wouldn't be a Jackal Woodsman would it?

[Lakey]

Duuurh :confused:

Didn't go onto page two

I'll get the hang of this one day:D

[silva]

tricked up Hammerli ?

[Gareth W-B]

Cheers Ian, that was fun :). Enjoyed that big time and learned something along the way too now can I buy it please :D :D :D.

[Scottyboy]

Is it an air rifle of some kind?













:D

[I. J.]

Whats embossed on the side of the gun. (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6758/barnettye4.jpg) :D



Its a Barnett Spitfire (as stated above). :D

ATB
Ian :D

[BTDT]

BSF 65. :cool:

[ikarma70]

can't be a banjo can it? :D

[I. J.]

BSF 65. :cool:

:D :D :D Theres no such thing. :p

ATB
Ian :D

[I. J.]

can't be a banjo can it? :D

Don't you start! Ive enough from the chicken wrangler. :D

ATB
Ian :)

[BTDT]

Is it the new Daystate springer you're been talking about?

[Troubledshooter]

Bugger........, that's another Webley variant to find.
Took me long enough to find a decent C1. :( :D

[I. J.]

Is it the new Daystate springer you're been talking about?

Strangely enough - I was just talking to Mr. Belas [bows low] yesterday about a new Daystate rifle. ;)

ATB
Ian:D

[ikarma70]

the daystate deliverance :D

[ikarma70]

Bugger........, that's another Webley variant to find.
Took me long enough to find a decent C1. :( :D

ah with the straight sbs shottie stock.

[Troubledshooter]

ah with the straight sbs shottie stock.

That's the one. Beeman's version of the Vulcan. ;)

[I. J.]

the daystate deliverance :D

Mmmm! :rolleyes: That has a certain ring about it. :p ;)


Bugger........, that's another Webley variant to find.
Took me long enough to find a decent C1. :( :D

Didn't Webley produce a Parkerized version of the C1? :confused:

ATB
Ian :D

[jonnyone]

Evening Ian,
This was an interesting post- and until you confirmed the rifle I was utterly convinced it was some form of Sussex Armoury rifle. And I mean UTTERLY.
Anyway, I must have missed this one on the market or was looking the other way or something as I dont recall it "doing the rounds".

What do you know of the marque? When was it brought out and for what market? Home or abroad? It would be of interest as to what you can say about it. How rare is it?

Dave:)

[I. J.]

Hiya Dave,

This rifle didn't exactly go on the market ;) it was rescued from my local gun shop before it made the racks. Its another one from last years Webley auction.
I know very little of its history but will look into it. As far as Im aware it was a Tracker produced for the US market and doesn't have the back sight facility on the barrel. Another example of this model in the auction had a rear sight on the scope rail similar to the HW77.
At the moment its with RAYGUN who is an expert with Trackers and is now the north west premier Barnett Spitfire gunsmith. :)

HTH
Ian :)

[jonnyone]

Thanks Ian,
This post brings up the subject of the numerous amount of air rifles that were actuallly produced by one of the "big names" for smaller companies to put their own branding on them. Do you recall the "Cobra Strike" a .25 barrelled BSA Mercury? I am sure you do and there must be dozens of others. I recall (and recently saw the old advert in an old copy of AGW) for a "green" stocked HW35 with (I think) some sort of blacked action (other than bluing) that was called the HW35 "Safari" (I may be wrong about the action finish but the stock I am certain on.

Anyway, these small production runs must surely mean that these rifles now will be more desirable and collectable? Seems like you have one such example above?

Then there is the whole area of guns produced by the manufacturers to mark special occasions and in themselves had limited production runs. One I always fancied was the Original 45 with the inset medal commemorating something or another (one was sold on here not that long ago).
Congrats on an interesting post (even though I was wrong by a fortnight on the gun's identity)!

Dave:)

[I. J.]

;)
I recall (and recently saw the old advert in an old copy of AGW) for a "green" stocked HW35 with (I think) some sort of blacked action (other than bluing) that was called the HW35 "Safari" (I may be wrong about the action finish but the stock I am certain on.

Anyway, these small production runs must surely mean that these rifles now will be more desirable and collectable? Seems like you have one such example above?



Hiya Dave,

I think you will find IIRC that the action on the Safari 35 was parkerized. (Ive had a hard days shooting and Im too lazy to check my books).

Didn't M.A.G. (Manchester Air Guns ;) ) re-name the BSA Mercury that they sold with 3 barrels? Thens theres the BAR Barracudda (sp).

Weihrauch and Daisy also produced, (at the drop of a hat ;)) , an anniversary model to celibrate a variety of subjects. BSA also did the same thing with the Centenary (Airsporter), Meteor and S10.

Food for thought.

ATB
Ian :D

[jonnyone]

Hi Ian,
Yeah I recall the BSA Centenary. Now I never, ever have gone a bundle on BSA's, (back then I would only look at a Webley as regards British rifles), but the Centenary did catch my eye. Maybe even back in those formative years I was a closet collector:D

Its an interesting subject this. I mean you had the odd competition in AGW or AG where you may have for example a chromed HW77 or even a gold plated one. Were these produced for the comp or were there more examples around? More to the point WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!

I suspect the owners of these rifles are staying tight lipped?

I really did miss that one of yours being produced. I used to read the mags religeously and thought that not that much escaped my attention. Just goes to show?

Keep up the good work:p

Dave:)

[I. J.]

I know of a gold plated HW77 and HW35E which are for sale ;) . I seem to remember the three '35s being presented to the Bontoft brothers by Herman Weihrauch for increasing the sales of his rifles in the U.K., one of which appeared in the airgun magazines as a prize. The winner didn't much like the idea of a gold rifle so soon p/x it for something more practical. This is the one thats for sale.

ATB
Ian :D

[only-me]

Barnett Spitfire .177 :D :D :p :p

[Paddy_SP]

Barnett Spitfire .177 :D :D :p :p

I haven't...:(

[I. J.]

Barnett Spitfire .177 :D :D :p :p

:eek: Was you nicknamed 'Lightning!' at school. :p :D :D :D

ATB
Ian :D

[I. J.]

UPDATE: RAYGUN very kindly stripped the Spitfire (cheers Ray ;) ) and found out that it had been stripped previously about 5 times. The insides were very dry of grease/lube and the back buffer washer broke and the spring guide missing. Ray replaced these with spares he just happened to have! :eek:
Its now shooting a lot quieter and smoother and while slightly down on power (just over 6 ft.lbs m.e.) it increased to 7+ ft.lbs after only a few settling in shots. I have removed the foresight unit (no rust :) ) and fitted a period (http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7289/spitfire1vv0.png) scope and will put some shots through it the next time I'm at the range.

Thank you for all the interest (PMs and e-mails) shown in this rifle. Another bit of airgunning history and another famous aircraft name added to the Webley list (Hurricane, Tempset, Vulcan, Typhoon, Viscount, Victor ....)

ATB
Ian :D