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Sam Vimes
12-10-2007, 02:21 PM
As many of you are aware I quite like a budget scope that performs beyond it's price point. A previous hobby horse of mine was the Nikko Stirling 3-9x42 AO Airking which is still a fine scope for those on a sub-fifty quid budget.
For hunters with a slightly bigger budget there's a new contender to consider.
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The Cobra is the latest and lowest cost addition to the MTC range. This particular model is aimed squarely at the hunters among us with it's large 50mm objective. In the box you can expect to find, as well as the well wrapped scope, flip up lens covers, lens cloth, instructions and mounts. In this instance the review sample didn't have mounts which lead to the only real drama of the day, 1" mounts. The vast majority of my scopes are 30mm. I don't usually have 1" mounts lying around, panic!:o Luckily I'd found a bargain set of BKLs about six months ago and bought them just because they were a steal. I didn't actually remember that fact when I was frantically scrabbling round my box of bits though.:o First impressions were good. The scope is well put together and feels solid and well finished. Finger adjustable turrets are very positive and clicky without being stiff. AO ring was smooth without displaying any sloppiness. However, a minor fly in the ointment, the zoom ring seemed a little tight. My suspicion was that this would improve when mounted and given time and use. Time would tell. Last but by no means least it has a mil-dot reticle. Happily I'm talking proper mil-dots not the too widely spaced to be any use dots that we've seen from some brands.;) The reticle seemed to be a smidgen thicker than I'm used to but I knew that this was likely to be no bad thing in a hunting scope that I'd expect to be used in low light situations.
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To test the scope I set aside a full day split between several hours at the club to set up, take some pictures and generally play to get an idea of the scopes capabilities. In the afternoon I planned to take the mounted and set up scope out for a hunt. This would also allow me to see how the scope performed as the light faded into the evening.
At the club I zeroed at 35 yards with my favoured JSB Exacts. The scope was set at 9x magnification and PX set to correspond the the range. At this point I altered both the PX and magnification settings to see if I could upset the POI. I'm happy to report that neither function appeared to alter POI in any way. One thing to note was, as I suspected, the mag ring did feel a little easier with the scope mounted. Next step was a brief check and noting of POI in relation to the mil-dots at various hunting ranges. Once done it was time to try to get an idea of the optical quality. I had my Nikko 3-9x42 Airking on hand for direct comparison. I noted that the Cobra's lenses have a coating which gives the glass a green hue when viewed off centre. Despite this obvious colouration the scope showed a very natural image. Colours were bright and clear without being altered in an obviously artificial way. If I'm being picky, very minor optical aberrations were noted at the very extremes of the sight picture but I've seen worse on scopes costing significantly more and without looking for it I'd not have noticed. All in all the Cobra showed a significantly better optical performance than the Nikko for the relatively minor price difference. Depth of field on full mag isn't huge, not surprising with that 50mm front end, but it was better than I anticipated. If you are a one rig hunter and wanted to dabble with HFT I can see no reason at all that this scope couldn't be pressed into service. However, If you are thinking to use it primarily for HFT then you may wish to look at it's smaller sibling the Cobra 3-9x42 AO Mil-dot (http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226134).One thing that did surprise me was that the marked PX ranges on the AO were pretty damned close, quite unusual in the vast bulk of scopes in my experience.
Onto the field test. In a hunting scenario I tend not to think about my gear much. If I do it's either because something has gone wrong or I'm making a conscious effort. Happily, until I did make the effort to evaluate the scope just faded into the background as I got on with the business at hand. The only minor irritation at this point was with the objective lens cover. I tend to use the scope to spot at range, this necessitates the adjustment of PX. Flip up covers and front AO scopes don't mix well. This is no criticism of the flip up, just an observation of someone that tends to favour side wheel PX scopes and is set in his ways.:o I removed the flip up to negate the irritation.
In the next few hours five rabbits fell to my set up without any incident by which time the light was fading enough for me to start consciously looking at scope performance again.
The scope that I had taken off my rig to test the Cobra was a Nikko 6-24x42 Diamond Sniper. I'm well aware that it's not the greatest scope for low light shooting. What did surprise me was how much better the Cobra performed in low light. On full 9x it was fractionally brighter in poor light than the Nikko Sniper on 6x. Whilst I did have to reduce the magnification toward the end. As suspected that slightly thicker than I'm used to reticle helped immensely in low light and I'd suggest it would be a boon in a lamping scenario for the same reasons. I'd estimate that the Cobra extended my evening session by a good ten minutes. To this end the Cobra stands comparison to the Simmons 3.5-10x50 Whitetail Classic that I used to own with the added bonus of AO, a mil-dot ret and a fair old cost saving.
Budget scopes are coming on leaps and bounds in my opinion and for a grand total of £69.99 you really can't fall off. I showed a few club mates the scope without telling them the price and not one guessed at less than £100, there were a few guesses at significantly more. That alone tells a story.

Chris

Davestate
12-10-2007, 04:02 PM
Good review, Chris.:)
I too have a 3-9x50 to test this weekend, an initial quick look-over left a good impression for such a budget price...

C3PO_1
12-10-2007, 09:58 PM
Very good review.

OLD JUD
13-10-2007, 08:26 AM
Sounds ideal. Can't find them on BARS website though, who has them in stock? any technical info such as field of view and weight?

Sam Vimes
13-10-2007, 10:20 AM
Sounds ideal. Can't find them on BARS website though, who has them in stock? any technical info such as field of view and weight?

You won't find them on the MTC website just yet either.;)
I have no technical info and I'm sorry but I'm not taking the scope off to weigh it for you.;):p If you are prepared to wait a few weeks until I can work up the enthusiasm to place a tape measure on a fence line at eactly 100 yards I may be able to provide FOV info.;)
As suggested already, I'd recommend you contact MTC Optics (http://www.mtcoptics.com/Contact.htm)

Gary C
13-10-2007, 11:30 AM
sorry chaps, recent events have put us behind. I'll get onto this as soon as possible

Graeme.C.177
13-10-2007, 12:20 PM
Chris showed me this scope at the club last week and I was most impressed.
I use a Merlin 10x42 mostly and it compares very well against that and in some ways better. The picture is clear and gives good defination with the thicker cross hairs and mil-dots being ideal for low light.
The finish and feel overall make this scope a steal for the price.

OLD JUD
13-10-2007, 01:38 PM
George I can't give you any technical details (I'm not good at that :o) But having looked through both the 42 and 50 mm and used the 50mm on a hunting trip, I can say they offer excellent value for money. They are one piece tube with front PA. A budget scope or a scope if your on a budget? - Depends how you see things (Clearly through a Cobra ;))

If you PM Gary C he will be able to confuse you with techno babble but will be able to answer your questions mate.

HTH.


You won't find them on the MTC website just yet either.;)
I have no technical info and I'm sorry but I'm not taking the scope off to weigh it for you.;):p If you are prepared to wait a few weeks until I can work up the enthusiasm to place a tape measure on a fence line at eactly 100 yards I may be able to provide FOV info.;)
As suggested already, I'd recommend you contact MTC Optics (http://www.mtcoptics.com/Contact.htm)


sorry chaps, recent events have put us behind. I'll get onto this as soon as possible

Cheers guys, this sounds like just the scope for me, my main concern is weight though.;)

Gary C
13-10-2007, 01:54 PM
weight is very light !

OLD JUD
13-10-2007, 02:29 PM
weight is very light !

Please let me know when you get some in stock Gary!;)

Gary C
13-10-2007, 04:17 PM
now ;);)

Davestate
14-10-2007, 11:47 AM
Prior to mounting mine I weighed it with the wifes kitchen scales, (Salter brand and quite expensive so I expect very accurate), and it weighs 585 grammes or 1lb 4.63oz. Overall length with the supplied flip-up lens covers is 13.5", so its quite a compact scope.:)

Sam Vimes
22-10-2007, 01:54 PM
Gary,
when are the Cobras due in the shops?

Gary C
23-10-2007, 11:20 AM
Gary,
when are the Cobras due in the shops?

When the shops order them :)

We are tending to send one out FOC to the shops with each Viper / Mamba order. The hard part with the Cobra is getting the shops to stock them. Quite rightly many feel that they will have difficulty selling them, budget buyers tend to be more inexperienced and will go for a bigger brand even though the glass is inferior.

Sam Vimes
05-11-2007, 11:31 AM
For those interested, I saw both the 3-9x50 and the 3-9x42 in stock and for sale in Pickering Airguns this morning. ;)

Graeme.C.177
05-11-2007, 04:35 PM
For those interested, I saw both the 3-9x50 and the 3-9x42 in stock and for sale in Pickering Airguns this morning. ;)

Did you notice how much, Chris.:)

Sam Vimes
05-11-2007, 04:41 PM
Did you notice how much, Chris.:)

IIRC £67.99 for the 3-9x42 and £69.99 for the 3-9x50.

swinscoe
05-11-2007, 05:38 PM
you can gaurentee that in my local shop it'll be at least another £15.00 on the price :(

Dom
05-11-2007, 07:05 PM
My 3-9*50 was £60 delivered direct from MTC! I thought it was a good deal...;)

Gary C
05-11-2007, 08:59 PM
My 3-9*50 was £60 delivered direct from MTC! I thought it was a good deal...;)


If I could just point out that Dom had no local stockist and the £10 off was because the mounts hadn't arrived

Dom
21-11-2007, 06:46 PM
True, but I'm still happy!

Gary C
21-11-2007, 09:41 PM
True, but I'm still happy!


Glad you like it Dom, and thanks for the feedback

rsrjerry
23-11-2007, 08:57 PM
Got mine today from mtc , fantastic friendly service as well .
well pleased with the scope on rifle this afternoon and zerod
cheers jerry

StoneySteve
29-11-2007, 05:47 AM
Got mine too, next day as promised.

Pity the company providing the mounts were not as efficient.:(

Looks to be a very nice bit of kit , will post review after I get it fitted.

Steve

Davestate
03-12-2007, 09:30 AM
Finally got to use mine in anger over the weekend, a rare foray on one of my old hunts which I left back in Lancashire when I moved last year. Anyways... the scope arrived packaged like you would expect an expensive quality scope; proper thick box that the most heavy handed postie would struggle to damage :D and all inside a double walled box that must cost the distributors a bob or two, I can tell ya.:cool:

Upon opening the box and having a glimpse through the scope, I wasn't surprised to see a very clear image, comparable with a quality Bushnell or similar. I then upped the zoom from 3x to 9x and tweaked the PA to where I thought it should be, (30yds), the image wasn't as clear as I expected. This particular scopes PA range is obviously out as I had to have it set at 50yds for what should be to 30yds. Not a problem as I don't usually mess with PA once set - as this scope is on my .22 which I only shoot at up to 35yds regardless, so I can live with the PA issue.

I'm not going to write an essay as Chris has already done a good one at the top of this thread, so to sum up:- turrets are precise, zoom & PA adjustment are smooth, mildot ret is fantastic being the right size for our type of targets and overall build quality is good. Not forgetting the included flip-up covers and mounts - saving £25 for the cheapest available.:eek:

To sum up, you get a quality image never seen on a scope in this price band. I was shocked to here the scope costs less than a ton let alone just £70.:eek: The Cobra is the new king of budget scopes, make no mistake, I would recommend to anyone after a cheap scope to buy a Cobra.:cool:

Drpepper99uk
03-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Hello,

Nice review Dave,

I received mine the other week( the 3-9x50 model) and have already fitted it to my Xocet and it loks monsterous to say the least!!! The only issue I have with it as mentioned above is the zoom ring is still very very stiff to move even when mounted. I have contacted Gary and he did mention about a new batch being available sometime in December that have been improved, so I'm just awaiting an update from him on the situation at hand. Other than that, I'm over the moon with mine and it was well worth the money-a big thanks to the guys on here who reviewed them initially at first, If it wasen't for reading such great detailed, and simple reviews I would never had looked at MTC in my choice of scope and would have probably bought something under par with what I have now.

Michael.

gertie6car
28-12-2007, 09:36 AM
deleted and put in correct section!

Parabuteo
23-01-2008, 04:45 PM
Just got my new scope (Viper 6-24x56).

What can I say that has not been said already...being basically lazy, not a lot:o

Stunning....

So stunning in fact I am taking mine into the nick to show a coleague as he wants a new scope for his new deer rifle.

He was going to bung a hawk on it, but I thought he might like to see this baby first;)

Cheers Gary, Looking forward to my bunny bashing season with a vengeance.

flash
29-02-2008, 05:36 PM
im guessing you would recomend this scope for the money then.
looking for a new scope to replace my current scope, ags saphire 3-9x40 , as its just not very good at low light hunting.

cheers

flash

MattyBoy
30-05-2008, 09:07 AM
Hello All

New member here from Canterbury. New to shooting too.

Met Baz yesterday and purchased said scope after reading glowing reviews here. Replacement for the Hawke-Sport 3-9 x 40 which I got with the gun package from Greenfields near Canterbury. The Hawke scope is OK but does not hold zero perfectly. Also in low light (I am trying my hand at rabbiting on a friends farm locally) it was pretty hopeless.

I agree finish on the cobra is excellent.

Just waiting for the 1" mounts now to put it on my brand new HW97K (my first airgun).

I have also noticed while admiring my new scope off the gun that yes, the 3-9 mag ring is very stiff to move.

I read mention that there were old and new batches of these scopes. Have I then got one of the earlier ones? Does the ring ease up with use?

Happy Hunting everyone.

baz
30-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Matt there are some that are stiff mag rings and others seem ok, I have found they do ease up with use so well worth working it back and forward whilst watching Coronation street or TDs other favourite Big brother;):D

Sam Vimes
30-05-2008, 11:17 AM
well worth working it back and forward whilst watching Coronation street or TDs other favourite Big brother;):D

What about the mag adjustment?:eek::eek::eek:;):D:p

MattyBoy
30-05-2008, 12:57 PM
Thanks Baz for the advice. I will keep you up to date on how it eases up.

I look forward to hearing from you re the arrival of the high mounts Baz.

Hopefully out lamping bunnies on Saturday night :)

Just got my Deben Tracer Mini so almost ready to go.

Cheers

brian747
30-05-2008, 01:03 PM
Hi, Sam , Gary,and fellow airgunners, i have fitted the above scope to my new
hw80k.22 once zeroed to 25 yds i have shot out to 40yds at various spinners, i have missed only one shot out 40 so far, the optics are clear and bold,as others have discovered the pa ring is a bit stiff but now seems to be easing up, overall this is a first class hunting scope at real value, backed up by the subtle and esoteric Gary C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
regds brian:):):)

baz
30-05-2008, 01:31 PM
I look forward to hearing from you re the arrival of the high mounts Baz.

Cheers

They are here, I left a message on your phone

baz
30-05-2008, 01:32 PM
subtle and esoteric Gary C.!

:eek::confused::confused::D

Gary C
30-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Hi, Sam , Gary,and fellow airgunners, i have fitted the above scope to my new
hw80k.22 once zeroed to 25 yds i have shot out to 40yds at various spinners, i have missed only one shot out 40 so far, the optics are clear and bold,as others have discovered the pa ring is a bit stiff but now seems to be easing up, overall this is a first class hunting scope at real value, backed up by the subtle and esoteric Gary C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
regds brian:):):)

Yer after a punch in the 'ed innit?:mad::mad: Sammie goes esoterical after a couple of glasses of wine in blobby week but I'm very laid back! :mad:

brian747
30-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Hi, Gary i just knew you would react to the esoteric bit, only joking
on the scope front the cobra is bl--dy good , without brown nosing this is the best value for money scope i have so far used, thanks Gary for a good scope.
regds brian:):)

MattyBoy
30-05-2008, 10:34 PM
Hi All

Picked up the new MTC supplied mounts from Baz this arvo.

All fitted and zeroed to 25M and the optics are spot on! I am well impressed compared to the view through the Hawke-Sport which I paid 50 notes for :0(

Just aimed in my new Deben Tracer Mini and am now ready for tommorow night if the wife lets me go out for a few hours...

The set up looks really good: HW97K plus MTC Cobra 3-9X50 Mill Dot AO plus Deben Tracer Mini.

Bunnies beware...

baz
02-06-2008, 04:03 PM
hi gary, are the cobras spring gun rated thanks

Yes:)

oldskoolzzz
03-06-2008, 06:06 PM
Im thinking about a nice cobra :) for my hw90k running at legal power.

Would the general advice be to fit a dampa mount? or will the scope handle a non dampa mount on this notorious gasram scope bruiser? :D

Tia

Nick

Gary C
04-06-2008, 09:25 AM
Im thinking about a nice cobra :) for my hw90k running at legal power.

Would the general advice be to fit a dampa mount? or will the scope handle a non dampa mount on this notorious gasram scope bruiser? :D

Tia

Nick

Da rifle issa pussie innit?
Dampa is always good on a springer though, but with decent mounts shouldn't be needed

oldskoolzzz
04-06-2008, 01:02 PM
Thanks for reply Gary :)

Reason I ask, is I have done a search about it and found that the different kind of recoil that is felt with the HW90k has been well known to destroy scopes over time with that quick shock style recoil :eek: not sure if thats mainly related to the fac powered ones though.

I will probably get a cobra and just use my decent double strap sportsmatch mounts with the arrestor pin for now. as approx £40 for a dampa mount is a bit on the pricey side :eek:

If the cobra should fail on this setup is there a lifetime gaurantee with it?

Atb

Nick