I went to Stoke Mandeville today..

[Terry D]

...and came away thoroughly ashamed of myself.

I was ashamed that, as I drove into the hospital sports complex, the magnificent, state-of-the-art building on my left contrasted so starkly with the leaky, draughty, smelly, 1940s Nissen hut on my right that housed the disabled shooters.

I was ashamed that, as a representative of my sport, I hadn't been aware of this disgraceful disparity between the facilities enjoyed by other disabled sports people, and those endured by the disabled shooters.

I was ashamed as I studied the 'facilities' the disabled shooters have, the leaking toilets, the lack of heating, the buckets meant for the collection of funds now pressed into service as drip-catchers and many other things I can't publicise.

I was ashamed that this is the national centre for disabled shooters, from where our representatives at the Paralympic Games and other championships must come - and somehow do, despite the awful state of the place.

Most of all, though, I was deeply ashamed of the times I've moaned and bleated about my own medical problems over the past year, when all around me were people of all ages enjoying their sport and staying positive, with only a fraction of the advantages I have, and so many more challenges than I've ever faced.

I was horrified, angry, despairing and frustrated in turn, as was my colleague, Nigel Allen, Bill Sanders of Air Arms and Peter Martineau of BSA, all of us there on behalf of the Airgun Manufacturers and Traders Association. We all spoke at length to the shooters and the officials from their Association, in an effort to find out more about the situation and what was needed to improve it.

After an hour or two I noticed something; none of the disabled people were moaning about things, they just got on with their shooting. I mentioned this to a shooter and what he said brought tears to my eyes. He told me 'most of us have serious stuff to think about just to do the things everyone else takes for granted. We generally don't have the time and energy to complain, we just get on with it - and that's probably why we get treated like we do. Another fact of our lives, is that many of us won't be around long-term, so we don't want to waste the time we have on negative things.'

The tears came when I discovered that a lady I'd interviewed a couple of years ago, Isobel Newstead, had passed away in January. Isobel was a fantastic person and a seriously talented shooter, and I'd managed to get some sponsorship sorted out for her a while back. To hear that she had died was a real shock and I just couldn't bring myself to talk to her husband, who was helping out at the shoot.

We came away from Stoke Mandeville with a resolution to do what we could, and what we should, for these shooters. We're not sure what that will be, but we're determined to make a difference somehow or other.

Actually, we can all do something; if you're going to the CLA Game Fair, look out for people collecting for the Disabled Shooters Association, and drop what you can into their buckets. Every penny goes directly toward this fantastic cause, and believe me it needs all the help it can get.

Thanks for reading this, and above all, enjoy your shooting and be grateful that you can do so to the full. Just spare a thought, and a few quid, for those that aren't so lucky.

All the best.

[Clifftop]

Wow.

Very moving post that Terry.

I feel the need to thank you and I feel somewhat down at you telling me about this.

The feeling of thanks outweighs the downer by the way.

So, what can we do??:confused:

[BigEars]

A Volley of .22s at the local trust and the dept of health wouldn't go amiss either Terry. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

[conor1]

PM sent

[Chandlers]

Couldn't you do a sticky type thing so people like myself who would like to contribute but who aren't going to be at the game fair can donate some money?
Rgds-Dave.

[snock]

Despite the hospital only being about a mile and a half from me, I had no idea there were shooting facilities there, although I knew disabled sports-persons had a base there:o

Terry, is there a contact name you could give me? I'd like to offer my help them, should they need it.:)

Pete.

[Punchsteve]

What can I say to that. The determination and courage shown by them is as humbling as the obvious lack of support and resources is sickening.

Some of us are very, very fortunate, and sadly, we seldom realise it.

[Terry D]

Thanks for the responses, guys, and I'll post a contact as soon as I've sorted something out with the fundraisers. Should be tomorrow, I hope. ;)

[delta1]

This BBS has in the past shown its strength when fundraising and supporting various things in the past, I would echo the question asked earlier, what can I do to help?

Also what can we as a group do, if support is forthcoming?

[cpt-vera]

A good cause for a lottery grant if ever there was one !
I'm up for making a donation as I'm sure a lot on here would be if some one can sort it ?
I'm sure having you on board now Terry will help there cause !
cheers
Barry

[Terry D]

I think so too, Andy. When we act as a unit, we're pretty to watch. ;)

[Big Mafoota]

We need to set up some fund raising for this, asap. What can I do to help?

[carcharadon]

I think that on this site we probably have a couple of brickies, a few plumbers a leccy or two maybe even a couple of chippiesand two or more plasterers.

Pretty sure we even have an architect somewhere, and a lawyer.


Wonder what we might be able to do with all these fine upstanding people and some funding.... :cool: BTW I'm already volunteering as a wood butcher/demolitionist.

PS wood from up here is a damn sight cheaper than wood from the south n'all.

All we need is a form of transport, some willing hands, a solid plan and some funds behind us.

[Clifftop]

I think that on this site we probably have a couple of brickies, a few plumbers a leccy or two maybe even a couple of chippiesand two or more plasterers.

Pretty sure we even have an architect somewhere, and a lawyer.


Wonder what we might be able to do with all these fine upstanding people and some funding.... :cool: BTW I'm already volunteering as a wood butcher/demolitionist.

PS wood from up here is a damn sight cheaper than wood from the south n'all.

All we need is a form of transport, some willing hands, a solid plan and some funds behind us.

NOW!

THAT'S FORWARD PLANNING!:):):)

[Nealsey]

OK Guys,

I am a sparks, or used to be and can generally do whatevr put my hand to as far as construction.

I am willing to donate some time and get together with others from here
to go and do the Auf Weidersien bit to help out these fellow less able bodied
shooters.

With the numbers of guys on here, I am sure we can provide them with
a decent shooting range, cabin etc.

Anyone else up for it?

Neal

[baxterbasics]

I had a long conversation with John Cooper of Falcon airguns about this,last year.He was hoping to get a side shoot running at the Ukahft events-a computerised knockover course,against the clock,all proceeds going to Stoke.Have you spoken to John recently?

I am sure that I speak for the other Southern Hunter organisers,when I say that we would be honoured to run a side shoot at the next series-all proceeds going to this worthy cause.

Let me know what you think,Terry.

All the best,
Graham:)

[delta1]

I'm happy to pitch in with a pair of hands, a set of tools, a van and a spare seat for another volunteer.

[Paddy_SP]

If I was to donate a case of 12 cans of moly dry-lube, is there an event that they could be sold at? :confused: Since I live in Devon, I guess I'd have to get them shipped to someone who'd be willing to take them along on the day. Any volunteers? :confused:

[delta1]

Perhaps sell them at a UKAHFT round?

[Nealsey]

I can hear the Magnificant Seven music staring in the background :)

Let's get this done and into a newspaper to highlight the good we can do.

Nealsey

[kieran turner]

I'm happy to pitch in with a pair of hands, a set of tools, a van and a spare seat for another volunteer.

you've got your volunteer mate! Can you house some more of my tools for my particular trade? Electricians are quite sort after:D

[Terry D]

The 'Shooting Hall' is in a bit of a state (I'm being diplomatic beyond belief, here) and may well be beyond the reach of a BBS work party, I don't know. I'll speak to those that do know, and get back to you.

Your response to this is wonderful, chaps, and I'm sure we can do some genuine good here. :)

[Nealsey]

you've got your volunteer mate! Can you house some more of my tools for my particular trade? Electricians are quite sort after:D

Kieran,

Another Sparks eh mate, well that's the wiring sorted.

If Terry D is still on here, would he mind dropping me a PM about potentially
getting a crew up to go and help out these fellow shooters?

Nealsey

[kieran turner]

probably the best way to assualt this problem would be publisity within the right circles. Features in all available shooting magazines etc.

If enough money can be raised maybe with it and the help of a BBS work party we could completley re-vamp the place!

[delta1]

you've got your volunteer mate! Can you house some more of my tools for my particular trade? Electricians are quite sort after:D

You know I can!

Lets see what Terry comes up with regarding the help required, and see what we can all do.

As a group, we've done good things for the kids, troops, Ellie May, Charities, lets flex our muscles again, and hopefully have a laugh doing it.

[Andy G]

you've got your volunteer mate! Can you house some more of my tools for my particular trade? Electricians are quite sort after:D


Another Anston volunteer here :D:D you only have to ask and we'll be there !!!!

Andy

[Nealsey]

Dun dun da da, da da da da da da.........

[kieran turner]

You know I can!

Lets see what Terry comes up with regarding the help required, and see what we can all do.

As a group, we've done good things for the kids, troops, Ellie May, Charities, lets flex our muscles again, and hopefully have a laugh doing it.

As a group of people I've found us shooters to be the most driven in reference to helping others. Once agai9n if we could flex our muscles that would be truly fantastic!

[delta1]

We've got the wrecking crew then!

Any offers to help with a rebuild?:D

[Paddy_SP]

Perhaps sell them at a UKAHFT round?

I'm currently working seven days a week, so won't be able to attend any rounds - hence my offer to ship them to someone who can...:)

[windowrest]

I'm skint, but I am up for a work party... If this is a venue for para olympics there may be a plan in place to make it shiny for 2012, no harm in a tidy up in the mean time though...

[Dinkum dude]

No one has mentioned or has offered to supply the eager beavers anything to work with yet, It wouldn't be good to turn up with nothing for the rebuild:eek:

I run a building company and have a fair bit of clout when it comes to purchasing materials, I know that one of my main suppliers does a lot of fundraising events for charity and are very likely to offer some very good help to this very worthy cause if I were to bend the right ears:D

Let me know if I can help, give me a list of what you guys need and i'll pass it on to the right people. For a start I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on some ex display stuff for free eg. Bathrooms and kitchen for sure, it will just need to be transported.

[lightning22]

I take it Jimmy Saville isn't into shooting then?

Rich
;)

[Nealsey]

No one has mentioned or has offered to supply the eager beavers anything to work with yet, It wouldn't be good to turn up with nothing for the rebuild:eek:

I run a building company and have a fair bit of clout when it comes to purchasing materials, I know that one of my main suppliers does a lot of fundraising events for charity and are very likely to offer some very good help to this very worthy cause if I were to bend the right ears:D

Let me know if I can help, give me a list of what you guys need and i'll pass it on to the right people. For a start I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on some ex display stuff for free eg. Bathrooms and kitchen for sure, it will just need to be transported.


That's good stuff, materials are a good thing and extremely necessary to get any project off the ground. I have spoken to Terry D about getting some requirements and a detailed plan of the existing place to establish just what the scope of the project will be.

It will need help from all quarters though, fund raising, contributions, labour, materials etc. An exact scope needs to be estblished before we can start getting the stuff and workforce together.

Hopefully Terry can liaise with the Stoke Mandeville people to get some
details to work from.

Nealsey

[Troubledshooter]

My father was an inpatient at Stoke Mandeville for quite a few years in the late forties and early fifties, and along with the usual therapeutic activities designated suitable for paraplegics, he became very good at Archery, even though he had never touched a bow in his life before that time, being a University rower and golfer.
I can't remember him saying anything about a shooting club, but even if there were one in existence at the time, he wouldn't have belonged to it as he was extremely anti gun. I was never allowed an air pistol at home, and even toy guns as gifts were discouraged.
I remember he had nothing but praise for the therapists at Stoke, apart from frequent references to their only skill requirement being a degree in Masochism, or words to that effect ;), who helped him immeasurably, and it is very sad to hear of the decline in the standard of shooting facilities offered.
I wonder if they still practice Archery as well.

[snock]

I wonder if they still practice Archery as well.

I believe they do.:)

I'm trying to locate the website I found last night which lists some of the activities they do. I'm sure archery was on it.

;)
Edit: it's here. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/disability_sport/3050255.stm)
More (http://www.dtsgb.org.uk/Calendar.html).
Yet more. (http://www.dtsgb.org.uk/)

[Big Mafoota]

Whatever it is that gets arranged, I'm in.

[Smokeless Coal]

Just done a bit of publicising, hope something can be done.

There but for the grace of god.

[JERICO]

If anyone has a spare seat going from Essex I'l lend a hand.

I don't have a specific trade but I'm good at knocking things down, lighting fires, using knifes and hammers as screwdrivers etc :)

[sparky]

I've spoken to Bill Saunders and John Cooper about this in the past and there is a plan once John gets it all sorted to have a side shoot at the Nationals, and also i think we have just found our annual charity shoot!!!!!

Terry we will also get a bucket out at the booking-in areas at the shoots, starting this coming Sunday at Anston.

Pete

[Born Again]

Put me down for a days work. Ex spark and can bring generator, tools and welding gear.

[Terry D]

If there wasn't a swear-filter on here I'd tell you all how fantastic you are. ;)

I'll be speaking to the people concerned in a few hours time, after which I'll let you all know. I'm fancying this BBS work party idea, though. Perhaps a scouting party will have to go in first to suss it out and sort out materials required, but I'm sure we can arrange that.

I'll be back! :D

[ikarma70]

Terry i know i'm not in work at mo but count me in for a donation,only too happy to do my bit :)

pretty disgraceful to think that these disabled shooters have to endure cold draughty and damp facilities when the rest have warm cushy facilities.

[u.k.neil]

Terry

If you can give me a couple of weeks notice when you organise a Fund Raiser, I will donate a box of my bits to be sold or auctioned to raise a few pennies for this admirable cause.

I too felt ashamed and humbled at this sad state of affairs and it has made me realise how lucky we able-bodied shooters are and that we should have nothing to moan or worry about.

All the very best in this venture.

Neil

[Smokeless Coal]

This might be a big job, are we looking at dressing up a rusty old nissan hut of should we be looking more long tern and a complete new building?

A new structure would require some serious money behind it. Perhaps planning permission. A modern prefab building might do it, are we just looking at airguns or is bigger stuff being fired?

I'm thinking it may need help from the media. There could be a good story here. We are talking about disabled at one of the countries top hospitals, a place where paralympians train, a National Sports facilty, another disgrace whilst Labour are in power. So many angles that could be used by the press.

What sort of funding would we be looking at? 20k, 50k, 100k? A trifling ammount when you consider how much is being spent on 2012. Theres plenty of major contractors sitting idle waiting to start on that project, perhaps they should practice on this one first.

[carcharadon]

and that is an absolutely top idea :D Good one smokeless coal... Hmm wonder which newspaper would bemost interested in a' look how we treat our disabled paralympic hopefuls' article....

[steveggg]

Add my name to the list, have a van, live about 45 mins away, can do genereal building work/fit kitchens/qualified electrician.

Steve

[PaulH]

Tel

Add me to the list Maintenance and Refurbishment is my no 1 job, will have an initial look at the current facilities if you give me a bit of notice.

Paul

[Paddy_SP]

Smokeless Coal is absolutely right. While we can use our enthusiasm to raise some money to get things going and do the job ourselves if necessary, IMHO it would be far better to get some serious momentum going via the national media and formal commercial channels. If we could get the right sponsors, the guys and gals at the hospital could end up with a nice shiny brand-new building. Sponsoring a charity is, I think, 100% deductible from a tax perspective (I'm sure we have experts on this matter on the BBS), so I think we should take a good look at this angle.

I therefore suggest we form two different BBS groups:

The first group would go in and assess what the best way ahead is if a) no-one wants to help us, and we have to do everything ourselves b) some people want to help, but funds are limited and c) what could be done if funds were unlimited. Then, if necessary, get stuck in and improve the place as best they can in the short-term.

The second group should be composed of those who have relevant commercial skills - by this I mean those with expertise or contacts in such areas as media, PR, accounting, planning, architectural, etc. They would try to drum up newspaper/radio/TV coverage, and then use this to encourage one or more large companies to donate some funds.

Since the second group wouldn't necessarily need to be able to get to the hospital, they could be based anywhere in the world, as long as they have an internet connection or a 'phone.

If there is any support for this two-pronged approach, I am willing to do whatever I can to assist. Since I'm currently working seven days a week and live so far away, please count me in the second group! :)

[Born Again]

Nice ideas Paddy, I have contacts in the newspaper industry but I'm not sure if anyone will connect themselves with shooting, especially as they sell so many papers on the back of sensationalist gun-control headlines.

Maybe the National Lottery would be a better hope.

One thing is for sure , if we all turn up with tools we will be able to improve what's already there, even if it's only better lighting, draft excluding and a lick of paint.

One fly in the ointment though, will their policy allow us to work on their site ? This could drown in red-tape if we're not careful.

[snapcapblue]

Terry I'm limited in what I can do physically, but count me in for a donation to the funds. I was an out-patient at SM for over 2 years but I didn't know about the disabled shooters and their appalling conditions. I'm confident that the BBS will have a massive impact on their predicament. Many thanks for bring this to our attention. Cheers and ATB - Tony:)

[Smokeless Coal]

We don't want to lose momentum on those good men who have the get up and go to get something done.

First thing is for a real appraisal of what could be done with what they have already got.

I think we could get a report back on this very soon.

[Browser]

Please put my name down for a working party as well. My only construction experience has been in the DIY line (stop moaning you builders/'leccys/plumbers etc, I don't destroy everything I touch:p) so I'd probably be limited to labourer but I'll bring my stuff (such as it is) and help out.
I've had a look at the page where one can apply for Lottery funding (http://www.lotteryfunding.org.uk/england/funding-internet-search.htm)and it seems simple enough, anyone have any experience in this sort of thing?

[Nealsey]

Chaps,

If this is going to work as a project to help the disabled shooters of Stoke Mandeville,
it needs to be approached in a logical manner with a scope worked out prior to any
commitments being made.

If it's a working party that is required to fix up and repair the existing building, then
I am pretty sure the BBS could handle it with some local fundraising at events and
contributions from the guys and girls on here for labour etc.

However, if it's a complete rebuild of a major structure, then it is a different approach
and skillset required. This will be major fundraising and lots of shooting press assistance
to bring the requirement to the public eye and god forbid me from saying it, a pitch
up from the bejewelled one with the cigar :o

Terry will be speaking to the powers that be at the centre today and hopefully we will
have more of an idea what we are up against.

It may be a combination of the above, but lets wait and see the scope of the project
before going off in different directions and not focussing our efforts.

I think this is a glorious opportunity to do some good for the disabled community and
the shooting communities image as a whole. But. let's let Terry see what's required first ,
then we know what we have to achieve.

Nealsey

[Rapidnick]

Seems to me that an appeal would raise quite a lot of cash. Also if it could have charitable status then all donations to it would have tax relief.
I'm sure that TD is on to this but it seems to me that the Airgun comics could play their part here. What with him being a top journalist writing for them and all that innit?:D

[Born Again]

Another thought - what about one of those TV programmes where a team have 24 hours to get something renovated, you know the type I mean but I can't remember any names.

[Smokeless Coal]

Challenge Anneka?

The lottery fund can only be approached by SM or perhaps the shooters if they have officials. It would not be possible for outsiders to do it on their behalf.

Amongst others I have contacted

http://www.efds.net
emails to some MP's
emailed BASC, Countryside Alliance
posted on a few forums
contacted the disability sports section of the beeb

This is a national disgrace and needs to be put right. It may be seen a feather in the cap of this BBS as the instigators of some action if we can see a result. It does not matter how it gets done, it must just be done.

If an entrepeneur was to step forward reacting to publicity I don't think we should be unhappy. If the media was to shove it in the face of the public it would do our sport more good than harm.

[sniper22]

Smokeless Coal is absolutely right. While we can use our enthusiasm to raise some money to get things going and do the job ourselves if necessary, IMHO it would be far better to get some serious momentum going via the national media and formal commercial channels. If we could get the right sponsors, the guys and gals at the hospital could end up with a nice shiny brand-new building. Sponsoring a charity is, I think, 100% deductible from a tax perspective (I'm sure we have experts on this matter on the BBS), so I think we should take a good look at this angle.

I therefore suggest we form two different BBS groups:

The first group would go in and assess what the best way ahead is if a) no-one wants to help us, and we have to do everything ourselves b) some people want to help, but funds are limited and c) what could be done if funds were unlimited. Then, if necessary, get stuck in and improve the place as best they can in the short-term.

The second group should be composed of those who have relevant commercial skills - by this I mean those with expertise or contacts in such areas as media, PR, accounting, planning, architectural, etc. They would try to drum up newspaper/radio/TV coverage, and then use this to encourage one or more large companies to donate some funds.

Since the second group wouldn't necessarily need to be able to get to the hospital, they could be based anywhere in the world, as long as they have an internet connection or a 'phone.

If there is any support for this two-pronged approach, I am willing to do whatever I can to assist. Since I'm currently working seven days a week and live so far away, please count me in the second group! :)


put me in for group 2 as well. im useless for hands on work due to my parkinsons disease but im online a lot and ive got a phone.

[Terry D]

One thing is for sure , if we all turn up with tools we will be able to improve what's already there, even if it's only better lighting, draft excluding and a lick of paint.

OK, chaps, I've spoken to the Secretary of the organisation - Disability Target Shooting Great Britain - and she's sorting out a priority list as we speak. She's absolutely overjoyed at your reaction, too.

Realistically, the prospect of getting a new building is a non-starter for all sorts of reasons, so it's a re-furb we're looking at here. What's being organised now is a meeting between the DTSGB people and a delegation from here, so we can work out between us what can and can't be done. There are 'structural complications' with the roof which will need expert input, and stopping the leaks is a major priority.

As soon as the DTSGB get back to me we'll sort out the advance party and we'll roll things out from there. Stay tuned, chaps, this IS going to happen. ;)

[Terry D]

The first group would go in and assess what the best way ahead is if a) no-one wants to help us, and we have to do everything ourselves b) some people want to help, but funds are limited and c) what could be done if funds were unlimited. Then, if necessary, get stuck in and improve the place as best they can in the short-term.

The second group should be composed of those who have relevant commercial skills - by this I mean those with expertise or contacts in such areas as media, PR, accounting, planning, architectural, etc. They would try to drum up newspaper/radio/TV coverage, and then use this to encourage one or more large companies to donate some funds.

Since the second group wouldn't necessarily need to be able to get to the hospital, they could be based anywhere in the world, as long as they have an internet connection or a 'phone.

If there is any support for this two-pronged approach, I am willing to do whatever I can to assist. Since I'm currently working seven days a week and live so far away, please count me in the second group! :)

I'm liking the cut of Paddy's jib!

:D

[Nealsey]

OK, chaps, I've spoken to the Secretary of the organisation - Disability Target Shooting Great Britain - and she's sorting out a priority list as we speak. She's absolutely overjoyed at your reaction, too.

Realistically, the prospect of getting a new building is a non-starter for all sorts of reasons, so it's a re-furb we're looking at here. What's being organised now is a meeting between the DTSGB people and a delegation from here, so we can work out between us what can and can't be done. There are 'structural complications' with the roof which will need expert input, and stopping the leaks is a major priority.

As soon as the DTSGB get back to me we'll sort out the advance party and we'll roll things out from there. Stay tuned, chaps, this IS going to happen. ;)

Well done Terry, let's hope we have some roofers on here as well.

Nealsey

[Rob Laidlaw]

Happy to help where I can once we know what direction we are going in, I have friends in the building trade I may be able to get to help, two of my best mates one runs a plasterering company the other is an engineer of some sort working on the design and build of large buiding projects, hospitals/schools/hotels etc, way over my head but he may be willing to help, I'll ask him Saturday when I see him.

Rob.

[baz]

Well done Terry, as a disabled shooter I am only too aware of the problems that exist, shooting fullbore at military ranges for a start! Clubs advertise as being disabled friendly yet expect everyone to be able to walk the 300m to the butts to do butt duty:confused: You can use a bicycle, fine if your disability allows but mine doesnt, and vehicles are not allowed at the butts

Myself and a couple of others got around it by having someone put several airgun size targets onto the std target board and using spotting scopes so not needing anyone to mark for us, but that took a lot of persuading as clubs dont like any changes!

Good luck with this venture it will be greatly appreciated of that I am sure

baz

[Guest]

I am good at breaking things and putting up tents.:D

If I can help with 'anything' yell!

Main skills are in Telecoms and Organisational Planning but more than happy to jump in at 'hands on' level as well.

Dave

[Mrs Keef]

Another thought - what about one of those TV programmes where a team have 24 hours to get something renovated, you know the type I mean but I can't remember any names.

What about the TV programme "Challenge Anneka".

Joan

[Nealsey]

Mods,

Can we make this a sticky, "lest we forget".

Nealsey

[Paddy_SP]

I think that the point that has been raised about people not wanting to align themselves with shooting needs to be taken seriously. Having said that, I think we can navigate around it if we have a properly co-ordinated approach. A 'Let's get more guns out there' type of headline is going to fail straight away. A 'Disgrace of abandoned disabled Para-Olympics sportsmen' line is much more likely to be received well. If we could get a TV company interested, it would be a great chance to show the sport and its adherents in a positive light. :)

[Terry D]

We need to tread a bit carefully here, chaps, because the people that own the building are helping the DTSGB in no small measure by letting them have it rent-free, and we've no wish to offend them. As is usual in charity situations, those that do contribute could, rightly, feel unfairly regarded if we go on a broad-based offensive.

For the time being, can we concentrate on assessing the situation on a practical level until we've met with the DTSGB and we truly know what's what.

That meeting is being sorted as we speak and once I know when it will take place, I'll be rounding up a posse! ;)

[Nealsey]

That meeting is being sorted as we speak and once I know when it will take place, I'll be rounding up a posse! ;)

Terry,

Got the horse saddled and ready, just give me a couple of days notice to
book a day off work.

Nealsey

[Prone Shooter]

Terry, I don't know if vandalism or break-ins occur or have occured in the past, but I'm willing to supply and fit a NSI (NACOSS) Approved alarm system to either the referb or if it did happen, a new building.

My son has a disability, but has enjoyed 10m pistol shooting for the past 8 years as he can compete on an equal footing with able bodied shooters. I've seen his pleasure and would like to help others. All less able bodied should have an equal opportunity to partake in the sport of their choosing, in the best possible surroundings.

Keep me informed please.

Bob

[Nealsey]

Terry, I don't know if vandalism or break-ins occur or have occured in the past, but I'm willing to supply and fit a NSI (NACOSS) Approved alarm system to either the referb or if it did happen, a new building.

My son has a disability, but has enjoyed 10m pistol shooting for the past 8 years as he can compete on an equal footing with able bodied shooters. I've seen his pleasure and would like to help others. All less able bodied should have an equal opportunity to partake in the sport of their choosing, in the best possible surroundings.

Keep me informed please.

Bob

And that's why I like it here so much.

Well done Bob.

Nealsey

[Terry D]

Terry, I don't know if vandalism or break-ins occur or have occured in the past...


Funny you should say that, Bob...;)

Your kind offer is noted and logged, mate.

Thanks for that.

[Terry D]

I'd like to share with you an email from DTSGB Secretary, Rosie Hughes. She sent this shortly after I'd called her to tell her that we'd like to help her people at the Stoke Mandeville range.

Hi Terry

I've just about stopped blubbing everytime I think of your phone call. (but I do blub at very happy as well as sad things) I ended up coming home on the excuse that I needed my phone charger but really I wanted to let Keith know and I knew I wouldn't be able to get the news across on the phone!! My only concern is time scales - our main fund raising for this is the Game Fair and that isn't till the end of July so any materials etc that need paying for before this would be a problem. So we may have to delay things a bit until we have some 'dosh in the pot' (but not the bit about having a look at what we need)

Thankyou loads for all your help
Rosie'

---------

Now, it's my wish, as I'm sure it's yours, that whatever we can do for the DTSGB should not strip their funding in any way - mainly because they need every penny as it is - so I'll be looking at funding options for materials we can't blag...erm...'obtain via sponsorship'.

Irons are in fires and I'll be back. ;)

[airgun god]

has anybody thought of contacting sir jimmy savile i take it he's still a patron of stoke madivile ???

[delta1]

Responses like this make me realise yet again what a cracking group of members we have here.

Once we have a focus for our efforts, hopefully there's no stopping us!

[Nealsey]

Now, it's my wish, as I'm sure it's yours, that whatever we can do for the DTSGB should not strip their funding in any way - mainly because they need every penny as it is - so I'll be looking at funding options for materials we can't blag...erm...'obtain via sponsorship'.

Irons are in fires and I'll be back. ;)

Terry, Absolutely right. We as a collective should be able to blag/raise enough cash for the basic building materials needed, as long as it's not chandaliers and brass sockets. With a little persuasion, some of the gun companies could provide new targets etc, and some of the local builders merchants from around the area may be willing to contribute or at least provide materials at cost?

As long as we can use the Shooting for the Disabled logo's and stuff
I am sure we can make this happen, with a lot of effort from the guys
on here.

Nealsey

[BlueBoy]

How about 'Challenge Anneka'? She is about again doing some wonderful things for charities. With it being Stoke Mandeville hospital, the TV company may very well pick up the challenge and old Jimmy S doesn't like to stay out of the limelight for too long..

Just a thought ;)

[airgun god]

maybe an acount should be opened for this i'm sure most bbs members would stick a few notes into the acount also this should be posted on agf as well after all its up to us all to support it maybe terry and gary could use they weight in the mags to advertise it nationaly??????

[Browser]

As someone said earlier, we need an assessment of materials needed so we can go on the blag. I would then be able to keep an eye on my local Freecycle (http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Internet/RECYCLE_with_FREECYCLE_86132.html) group to see if anyone was disposing of anything needed, plus I could put a wanted ad on there as well. If it gets official I could approach my boss/company to see if there was any remote chance of squeezing some cash from the charity budget. I'm concious of not letting the momentum die on this as I'd really like to help.
May be worth considering the aftercare i.e. see if there is routine maintenance we could help with?

[snock]

That meeting is being sorted as we speak and once I know when it will take place, I'll be rounding up a posse! ;)

As I said; I'm only about 7 minutes from the hospital, Tel. I'll be pleased to offer whatever skills I can offer. I did 3 years at college learning plastering, but I've also spent a total of about 5 years 'in the building' as a school leaver.

Awaiting your direction, Sir!:cool:

[Terry D]

Awaiting your direction, Sir!:cool:

You were seconded from the off, mush.

No name, no packdrill, nar'mean?

Orders will be forthcoming. ;)

[Terry D]

Told you it was gathering pace! Provisional inspection of the range requirements can take place this Saturday at 10.30 am.

Who among our professional tradesman types can make that time? Over to you.

[airgun god]

maybe a sticky in the sales section 10 % to the fund if sellers want to support this ????

[Born Again]

I don't think I can supply any useful building materials, unless 1,000 tons of chestnut poles will help, but I am able to supply a decent computer if they need one.

[snock]

Told you it was gathering pace! Provisional inspection of the range requirements can take place this Saturday at 10.30 am.

Who among our professional tradesman types can make that time? Over to you.

I'll be there.

Terry, can you give me the entrance number and route to take to get there, mate? Give me a call if you want.

Ta.;)

[Dinkum dude]

No one has mentioned or has offered to supply the eager beavers anything to work with yet, It wouldn't be good to turn up with nothing for the rebuild:eek:

I run a building company and have a fair bit of clout when it comes to purchasing materials, I know that one of my main suppliers does a lot of fundraising events for charity and are very likely to offer some very good help to this very worthy cause if I were to bend the right ears:D

Let me know if I can help, give me a list of what you guys need and i'll pass it on to the right people. For a start I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on some ex display stuff for free eg. Bathrooms and kitchen for sure, it will just need to be transported.

In response to my post yesterday I called in to my main suppliers for a friendly chat with the manager re this fine cause.

And yes they are willing to help :) number one you are guranteed my discounts (which are very good) Plus further discounts as it is for a good cause, they will even approach their suppliers for further discounts for you. I'll be pushing to get the stuff for cost or less.

If paying for the materials imediately is a problem then I will offer use of my credit facilities with them to you, I should be able to let you use up to £15,000 of my credit if it helps. This is usually 30-60 days but I can get them extended if necessary.

One thing we will need this end is a list of materials and if possible a commencement date for the works.

This is a multi branch company in the south and the manager said that he will approach the managing director of the company with regard to this matter.

I hope this is of some help, I can also make Saturday if I'm needed.

Please feel free to Pm me if you wish to contact me.

Lets all make this happen for these guys :)

[Backache]

Another avenue you could look down for planning and labour is the Army Royal Engineers, this would be a good little project for a troop from a Construction Squadron...if they still have them.

They have all the gear

Nev

[Smokeless Coal]

It needs a fighting fund account opening.

There are visitors coming to the site to read this thread, some of them might want to help.

http://www.the2012londonolympics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8046

1st email back

Thank you for drawing this to my attention. Best wishes, Boris Johnson MP

[Terry D]

I'll be in touch, Mark. You're a good 'un, mate. ;)

[airgun god]

i'll give the proceeds of my mk2 stock thats for sale to get the ball rolling :)

[PaulH]

If you want me there Saturday should not be a problem if you want a lift as well let me know

[Dinkum dude]

I WILL MAKE THE FIRST DONATION OF £100 POUNDS.I WISH I COULD HELP BUT I CANT.I COULD BRING THE FASTEST PLASTER YOU EVER DID SEE I JUST AINT :eek:TOLD HIM YET;):D:D THE DAUGHTERS BOYFRIEND:o:o:D:D

COULD YOU SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE TERRY D

THANKS MARK

Well done Mark:)

I will follow up with another £100 pounds, where do I send it?

[Dinkum dude]

That went well with my 100th post:D

I've been kicking around on here for ages and hardly say anything, Reading the first post in this thread made me sit back and realise just how lucky I am, with a tear in my eye I might add.

[Terry D]

I'll have a donations details post sorted shortly.

Blimey - try saying that fast. :D

[baz]

Resized from 4mb:D

Left the big one right the disabled "shed"

[Nealsey]

Terry,

I can't make Saturday as I am on my way to Anston at 11am from Newbury.

Is anyone attending that can make some reasonably accurate drawings of the facility with dimensions? Other than that I can arrange a day off work for
next week and go up there myself to do some working drawings?

Nealsey

[Terry D]

Terry,

I can't make Saturday as I am on my way to Anston at 11am from Newbury.

Is anyone attending that can make some reasonably accurate drawings of the facility with dimensions? Other than that I can arrange a day off work for
next week and go up there myself to do some working drawings?

Nealsey

Ok mate, we'll see what can be done. This is very much a first look. ;)

[PaulH]

I'll bring my work bag lazer tape etc and sketch pad if that helps

[kieran turner]

I honestly think we need people of various trades to go and assess the situation and make an inventory etc. I will try and womble as much electrical 'gear' as possible. Would you be able to give me a diagram of the building(s) etc. if you may Mr Doe?

[ja69one]

hi all i am a disabeld shooter i had a motorbike crash 6 years ago and i am now in a wheelchair i would just like to say a bigthanks to every one who is going to help out it will mean alot to every one who goes shooting there

[Nealsey]

Guys,

As a first pass we will need the following:

Overall length
Overall width
Roof height at lowest point
Roof height at highest point
Location of main services, power, water, sewage etc.
Breakdown of internal wall locations.
Facilities, i.e toilets, sinks etc.
General construction , walls, roof, etc
List of general requirements. i.e. essential, nice to have's, luxuries.

With this info we should be able to put together some working drawings.
Maybe if we have an AutoCAD operator on here they might be able to run
off a few copies.

From the look of the building, it will probably be in a fair state of disrepair,
roof I hope is corugated iron, but it looks like asbestos frm the picture
which will be a whole new ball game and very expensive to replace. But let's not look for negatives just yet. It will be quite a large project, but many hands and all that.

Nealsey

[Mnementh]

Hi everyone.
A very worthwhile cause, IMHO.

Unfortunately, I'm too far away to be able to help in person but will be happy to make a donation to a fund.

Might I suggest a contact address for cheques/cash/postal orders (perhaps at one of the magazines) and an email addy for those, like myself, who have Paypal accounts can make a simple transfer payment. (don't know how you would make that sucure, however.)

Best of luck with this project.

Sandy

[kev hughes]

If there is anything a poor Welsh boy can do to help, just let me know. I think Mr Doe knows a bit about what I can do.


Kev

[Prone Shooter]

Terry/Nealsey,

Can't make this weekend as I've got a group of D of E youngsters on a walk but I can work from drawings and any photos that are taken. Richard (Delta 1) has kindly offered to help me as he was a qualified alarm engineer until recently, so thats two of us on the security side.

Bob

[Nealsey]

Terry,

Just a quick question,

from the photo, is the shooting hall just the right hand side of the warehouses or both sides?

Nealsey

[Terry D]

Terry,

Just a quick question,

from the photo, is the shooting hall just the right hand side of the warehouses or both sides?

Nealsey

It's both, mate, and that roof is asbestos. Removal of the roof is very probably a non-starter, so some form of treatment may well be the way forward. I've got Lobberman on here looking at options at the moment and he'll be there on Saturday to help assess the situation.

Onward!:D

[Charlts]

I'll be collecting funds at the Kibworth Open this Saturday, Terry can you please keep me posted on where to send it.

Rosie is going to send me some info about the other thing we spoke about.

Get me down for a shift with a bucket at the Game Fair.

Onwards Terry's Army.

Ryan

[sparky]

Just spoke to Bob Ward from Basingstoke and I know it’s a long way off, but thought we would let you all know we have agreed to hold the 2008 UKAHFT Pre-season Charity shoot at Popham Woods, with all proceeds going to the Stoke Mandeville fund.
It will be either in January, Feb or March.
There will be a 30 or 40 shot course set to the UKAHFT format and as always scores goes towards qualifying for the 2008 Gathering.

We will keep you all posted.

But don’t forget there will be a bucket by the booking-in areas at the remaining UKAHFT Nationals shoots, so get that spare change in there!!!!


Pete

[Smokeless Coal]

I feel the project desperatly needs someway for people to send in donations.
Perhaps similar to the airgun donation scheme but it needs a postal address for cheques as well.

I have been publicising what you are doing and it's looking most likely to be a make over. I should like to change my efforts to one of publicising fund raising.

Terry Geldof is doing a champion job and it looks like there might be a right result.

[Nealsey]

It's both, mate, and that roof is asbestos. Removal of the roof is very probably a non-starter, so some form of treatment may well be the way forward. I've got Lobberman on here looking at options at the moment and he'll be there on Saturday to help assess the situation.

Onward!:D

So hopefully, most of the work will be electrical, with some patching of the roof
and redecoration.

I have noticed enough sparks on here offering help, so we should be OK for labour. We will need access equipment for the high stuff and probably some
specialist luminaires, depending upon shooting locations.

We really need someone who is Autocad trained, to provide some maikeshift
working drawings for us to distribute to the trades. Can anyone help?

Nealsey

[Smokeless Coal]

Bear in mind some donations may come from folks with no association with this site. They will need to know it is being done all cosher like.

Sending a fat wad to some bloke called Mad Mark in Wales may not cut it.

[delta1]

I have a current IPAF ticket (SL. SPB and Harness) if I can find it, do we have any licensed scaffolders/ tower erectors available?

This could be useful for painting etc as well as the electrical side.

Would BASC be prepared to cover us with insurance while we are working onsite? Would our existing BASC membership cover us as its (loosely) shooting related?:)

I can find my generic method statements for working at height/ risk assessments etc, or do we have anyone able to do site specific ones?

[PaulH]

I have current experience of the Working at Height Regulations, Abestos Awareness Certificate and experience of mobile tower scaffold erection also have a CITB Scaffold Inspectors Certificate, should also be able to knock up some reasonable drawings by hand (IT is not my speciality) then will probably scan these and send them to who needs them anyone who needs specific info please let me know what you require. Nealsey will use your list as my initial survey requirements

ATB

Paul

[Terry D]

Ah, there you are, Pauly!

You're up for the gig, then? Good.

What time's pick-up on Saturday morning?

You'll be at mine for 9?

Great idea! See you then, then.

Sorted. :cool:

[Nealsey]

I have current experience of the Working at Height Regulations, Abestos Awareness Certificate and experience of mobile tower scaffold erection also have a CITB Scaffold Inspectors Certificate, should also be able to knock up some reasonable drawings by hand (IT is not my speciality) then will probably scan these and send them to who needs them anyone who needs specific info please let me know what you require. Nealsey will use your list as my initial survey requirements

ATB

Paul

Paul,

Top man, we need to start somewhere I guess and basic drawings of the existing facility will go a long way to allowing us to prepare a working drawing
and provide a "take off's" list of materials.

I guess one of the things to try to remember is, we can do a pretty good
basic refurbishment for not a fantastic amount of money, but we need to
keep the "nice to haves" to a minimum to control the budget.

If we concentrate on getting the building useable and safe and clean,
then perhaps some of the other guys can work on cold calling local companies to provide the fancy stuff and our more recongnised faces,
Gary C, Terry B, etc working on the gun companies to provide shooting equipment etc.

Let's get the drawings in place and work out the materials requirements, then we know what we have to achieve and what we need funding wise to achieve it.

Nealsey

[PaulH]

Ah, there you are, Pauly!

You're up for the gig, then? Good.

What time's pick-up on Saturday morning?

You'll be at mine for 9?

Great idea! See you then, then.

Sorted. :cool:

Looks like Mrs D is making breakfast then :D She LUUUUUUrves me

[snoj]

On the subject on donations, do they have any provision for gift aid?

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift-aid.htm

They would get some of extra money back from mr Brown :)

[Terry D]

I will be collecting donations at this weekends UKAHFT at Anston and all the other NEFTA Hunter shoots this years. Terry, will there be a place we can send donations to? MAD MARK has volunteered to accept all donations and pass them on. I'm happy with that.

ps, hoping to organise a fun HFT shoot at Anston aswell purely to collect donations for our BBS Stoke Mandeville disabled shooters. More news on this in the future after discussions.

REGARDS:)

Top stuff, Andy. I'm sorting the donations address as we speak.

Laters - as we hep cats are wont to say. :cool:

[jamie1]

I'd like to help if poss - I guess this would mainly be 'monetarily'

Can we set anything up (paypal) on here?

I have a mate who has been paralysed from the shoulders down since he was 18 (car accident), which was now 17 years ago. He spent a lot of time at SMH.

He's hopeful that stem-cell advances will eventually help him (even if he gets his arms/hands, his life would improve no end), so we'll wait and see.

In short, I know what life can be like for SMH's 'residents' and if shooting there needs some funding, I'd be happy to make a donation.

ATB
J

[Terry D]

Any donations will be gratefully received by, John Morgan, the Treasurer of the DTSGB at the following address:

5, Suffolk Road,
Royston, Herts.
SG8 9EX

Please make cheques payable to the DTSGB.

More donation details to follow.

Thanks all, the people at the DTSGB are so excited at what we're doing for them and have asked me to pass on their gratitude to you all.

Well-done, you lot.

TD

[snock]

I've just come back from the Stoke Mandeville site as I drove there to do a 'dummy run'. Yes, I'm a dummy.;):D

It's really quite easy to find once you're off the main road. I'm considering making some signs up which will point those going on Saturday to the right location. These will just say BBS, or something as I don't want any local 'antis' to know its shooting related. :)
There'll only be about 4 or 5 of us going to start with, as we don't want to inconvenience the shooters who will be there, plus it only needs a recce to start with, anyway.

I have a map of the local area which Rosie very kindly emailed me, and this will also get emailed to those who're going Saturday.

:)

[Guest]

I will find another £100, to match Clifftop/Grayling Troop parcels appeal, it will be the end of the month.

Regards

Dave

[Rustynuts]

I'd too like to help in a fiscal manner...I'd really like to be able to help in a more physical manner, but distance may well cause me a problem on this front :(

Terry, are there any banking details we can send donations to, rather than Royal Snail? Will these be the further details you're awaiting?

Cheers,

[snock]

I'd too like to help in a fiscal manner...I'd really like to be able to help in a more physical manner, but distance may well cause me a problem on this front :(

Terry, are there any banking details we can send donations to, rather than Royal Snail? Will these be the further details you're awaiting?

Cheers,

Check post 132, Tim.

;)

[Terry D]

Terry, are there any banking details we can send donations to, rather than Royal Snail? Will these be the further details you're awaiting?

Cheers,

Yes, mate. I should have them by tomorrow.

Cheers.

[BENSPEED888]

If there is anything a poor Welsh boy can do to help, just let me know. I think Mr Doe knows a bit about what I can do.


Kev

if your thinking of going up as part of a work party, i'll do my damdest to come too, if you have room for me that is:)

[sparky]

I was hoping to collect at Anston this weekend, but now the UKAHFT guys are doing it.:cool:as long as money gets collected thats all that matters, I made the bucket and poster ready.

See here=.AIRGUNBBS COLLECTION FOR STOKE MANDEVILLE DISABLED SHOOTERS (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/dogzero1/DSCF3898.jpg)

However, I will still be collecting at the remaining NEFTA Hunter HFT events. The more the merrier eh.:)


Andy

Start the ball rolling at Anston as like you said all going to the same fund.

Pete

[Nealsey]

We dont want too many buckets collecting do we, but if you say so, I'll take me bucket.:D

Nice one Andy,

Should get the ball rolling nicely, well done on the posters.

I reckon we should be able to make a difference for these disabled
shooters, with some effort and financial contributions it will be an
extremely worthwhile venture.

Nealsey

[sparky]

We dont want too many buckets collecting do we, but if you say so, I'll take me bucket.:D

Your bucket will be plenty for this one:D

Pete

[Nealsey]

Guys,

In addition to the internal walls and services, we will also need to know
the location of any columns/steels in order to get a grid added to the
drawings.

I am gutted I can't get there on Saturday, but will take a day off and go
over there if there is anything we miss.

Nealsey

[kieran turner]

So so far the plan is to reconouter the building(s?). Surely we need a drawing for all services i.e electrical plumbing etc.

Right looking from a purely electrical point of view before commencing work I have compiled a list of information the Electrical side of the project will need.

So here it is.

The size of the incoming cable from the supply authorities fuses. From this we can determine the amount of load we can put in the building.

What material is the main conductor made of? Hopefully will be copper but if it's aluminiun it will diminish the amount of current the cable can carry.

Also what size is the main switch/fuse in the distribution board? This could give an indication of the amount of load we could obtain i the cable size is not known.

Is it 3 phase or single phase? I would think it would be single but best check.

What sort of fuses are used in the distribution board? MCB or the old re-wireable type?

What is the general fabric of the building? Wood? Brick? Tin sheeting? From this we can determine what sort of cable containment we must use.

Have we got any pictures of the interior of the building at all TERRY? If so please post them.




Right those of any electrical knowledge please add to this list as I only have a limited knowledge.

Cheers Kieran

[Nealsey]

Kieran,

Good start mate. I am expecting a uilging of that size to have a
3 phase supply, probably lead covered armoured looking at the age and
state of repair of the building.

Guessing we would need a distribution board with RCD breaker and MCB's.

As far as cabling and containment, I think it wll depend on 3 things,
load, environment and cost. We will need to be mindful of what we
can deliver and what our budget is. Better to deliver a good basic job
that run out of money trying to do fancy stuff. I think our main issues
will be luminaires on the shooting lanes, as fully protected fittings do
not come cheap. Maybe we could think about halogen floods to light the
lanes from behind the shooter, relatively cheap and bright enough for the job.

I will put some more thought into it once we have the drawings put
together, but, think about Earthing/Bonding, in an all steel shelled building
there will be plenty of it.

Nealsey

[blue]

Any chance we can get a sticky shopping list for this.
I can get my hands on chairs, tables filing cabinets. Probably be able to source some electrical cable and any telephone (alarm) cable and bits.

[Kes]

I'm rather ashamed to admit to having only just bothered my arse to click on this thread. :o

In terms of availability and skills needed I'm also ashamed to admit that I'm probably of little or no use to the intended project but I can certainly pledge some cash towards a cracking cause. :cool:

Outstanding stuff you chaps. :)

[Steve.]

Not wanting to state the obvious but take as many photos of the place as you can, do it systematically as well to keep things in order.
There is nothing more annoying than having to go back all the time to check on small details during the planning stages.
Take loads of notes, when you think you have enough take some more.


It will be worth talking to building control at the local council just to see what their requirements might be.

[kieran turner]

Kieran,

Good start mate. I am expecting a uilging of that size to have a
3 phase supply, probably lead covered armoured looking at the age and
state of repair of the building.

Guessing we would need a distribution board with RCD breaker and MCB's.

As far as cabling and containment, I think it wll depend on 3 things,
load, environment and cost. We will need to be mindful of what we
can deliver and what our budget is. Better to deliver a good basic job
that run out of money trying to do fancy stuff. I think our main issues
will be luminaires on the shooting lanes, as fully protected fittings do
not come cheap. Maybe we could think about halogen floods to light the
lanes from behind the shooter, relatively cheap and bright enough for the job.

I will put some more thought into it once we have the drawings put
together, but, think about Earthing/Bonding, in an all steel shelled building
there will be plenty of it.

Nealsey


oh so the building is a big bugger! Have you got Any pictures? If the building is of tin sheet construction then there will neeed to be a structural bond coming from the dist. to the sheeting at any point.

By the looks of things we will defintetley need a new dist. board with relevant mcb's and rcd's where applicable. As for cable outside it will most likely be SWA cable and sealed fluroescent fittings.

As for bonding we will need a 10mm CPC to both the main water stop tap and to the main gas incoming pipe, the useual cross bonding at sinks etc. will also apply.

We really need a good good look around and someone who really does know his onions to electrically look at this job and decide what we need and how we are going to do it with the amount available.

[kieran turner]

just been mooching around for IP65 rated fittings and have come up with this lot

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101198&ts=89363&id=85160

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TNC36.html

not cheap!

[Smokeless Coal]

Dont jump the gun, perhaps some areas are in good order. Wait for the results of the recce party.

So far it seems the leaky roof and broken loos are the obvious.

[Smokeless Coal]

http://www.webcameron.org.uk/page.php?id=4&forum_showtopic=281&forum_page=2

Near the bottom

http://www.boris-johnson.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=85&page=1#Item_5

http://www.glossover.co.uk/rts/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=403

http://sagbni.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=169&PN=1

Those who don't ask you don't get.

[Smokeless Coal]

http://www.the2012londonolympics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8046

[Prone Shooter]

Originally quoted by MAD MARK
I WILL BE COMING ASWELL JUST TO MAKE SURE YOUR ALL DOING YA JOBS RIGHT

THATS ALL WE NEED, SENILE (DID I SPELL SENIOR RIGHT:D) MANAGEMENT:rolleyes:

OH WELL THE BAD JOKES WILL MAKE EVERYONE WORK FASTER:D:D:D

ONLY KIDDING MARK

BOB

[Tancho]

Like Snock, I live 5 minutes from Stoke Mandeville and I thought the shooting hall was derelict many years ago. My son is visually impaired but loves his air rifle shooting and would love to join a club like that. If there is anything we can do to help count us in. I have just passed my forklift and cherry picker courses so I might be of some use. We are more than happy to come along on Saturday if you need any more help.

[Mnementh]

Hi guys.
Given the exceptional nature of this thread, I thought I'd put it in front of one of the most rabid anti-gun/airgun SNP Scottish Ministers, Kenny MacAskill. He has a total downer on all things gun/airgun.

Here is the email I sent;

To: MacAskill K (Kenny), MSP

Sent: Mon Jun 18 21:19:13 2007

Subject: AIrguns/guns/Olympics

Dear Mr. MacAskill,

I have emailed Alex Salmond on this issue previously but presumably, he's too busy to reply, so I thought I'd try for a response from yourself.


Given the SNP's ill thought out anti gun stance, how does the SNP see a way forward to allowing members of the shooting fraternity to compete at the upcoming Olympic Games?


There are numerous shooting disciplines in the Games, both "real" guns and airguns, that you yourself, seem to have a particular dislike for.


Given the complete fiasco that has been the lot of the moronic post Dunblane legislation, is it not about time that this idiotic law was repealed, since it has very clearly been demonstrated that there is absolutely NO correlation between legally held guns and crime? A 60% rise in gun crime clearly shows this.


If you have read this far, can I ask you to have a look at this;


http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201760


This is the calibre (pun very definitely intended) of the people you seek to take responsibly held guns away from.


It is long gone time that MPs/MSPs learned that throwing legislation at a problem does NOT effect a cure.


What is required is education and a rigorous application of the already Draconian legislation we have.


I look forward to your reply,

Sandy Smith

I got a fast reply saying the email was being sent directly to him but surprise, surprise, his response was typically political;

Dear Mr Smith

Thank-you for your recent email. I will consider your views carefully when this issue is discussed both inside and outside of parliament.

Regards

Kenny MacAskill


And people wonder why I won't vote for the Scottish Tories (SNP)

Sandy

[snock]

Like Snock, I live 5 minutes from Stoke Mandeville and I thought the shooting hall was derelict many years ago. My son is visually impaired but loves his air rifle shooting and would love to join a club like that. If there is anything we can do to help count us in. I have just passed my forklift and cherry picker courses so I might be of some use. We are more than happy to come along on Saturday if you need any more help.

Hi mate,

We've got a small recce party going Saturday, so I don't think we need anymore just yet, but once we get an idea of what needs doing, your services may well be needed.;)

Terry, my 'net connection is down again so I can't check my emails to see if Rosie has confirmed the time as 10:30 or not, but I'll call her later today if I can't access my inbox.;)

I'm hoping to get some laminated signs done today which will point you in the right direction once you get to the stores on the map I sent you.

Pete.:)

[Matt C.]

Guys,

Great call this one, when you sort a working party date I'll be up for it.

Take care, Voldemort

[Big Mafoota]

I'd love to help also. I don't have any real skills as such but I've got strong arms and a willingness to put in some graft.

[Smokeless Coal]

Just wondering are DTSGB a registered charity? Perhaps someone on the recce team could ask.
So much better if our traders have an official collecting tin with a charity number if they want to collect at displays etc.

[Adamant]

I'd be pleased to offer any help I can.

Whilst I'm not likely to be much use in the manual sense, being far more of a demolisher than a builder:eek:, I have been managing and delivering services for people with a range of disabilities for many years. As a result, I know my way around charitable organisations, grant applications and professional 'begging', much of which now relies on an understanding of stuff like outcomes, targets (no pun intended), PC language about disability issues and project management jargon.

If at any time you need someone to prepare grant bids, project plans, funding schedules or draft up suitably PC letters / proposals, let me know. I also have access to all of the latest information about grant-making bodies in the UK and the criteria they use to allocate funding.

Adam.

[Terry D]

I'd be pleased to offer any help I can.

Whilst I'm not likely to be much use in the manual sense, being far more of a demolisher than a builder:eek:, I have been managing and delivering services for people with a range of disabilities for many years. As a result, I know my way around charitable organisations, grant applications and professional 'begging', much of which now relies on an understanding of stuff like outcomes, targets (no pun intended), PC language about disability issues and project management jargon.

If at any time you need someone to prepare grant bids, project plans, funding schedules or draft up suitably PC letters / proposals, let me know. I also have access to all of the latest information about grant-making bodies in the UK and the criteria they use to allocate funding.

Adam.

Offer noted, mate. Thanks for making it. Stand by to be exploited as and when the need arises. ;)

[P30man]

What about contacting the TV prog DIY SOS to see if they could help.

Our club donated an S200 to the junior section that has just started there.

[Smokeless Coal]

Waiting on tenderhooks for the result of the recce party.

I have been trying to post it about to raise funds but a lot are asking if it is a registered charity with a number. Some sites I post on might get shirty and start deleting me for asking for money to be sent so it would help if it is a pukka registered charity fund appeal.

[Terry D]

I've got to go out for a while but I'll be back with all the required info, Smokeless.

Stay tuned!;)

[Terry D]

DTSGB is, indeed, a registered charity, number 1050338.

Our preliminary inspection, yesterday, revealed much of what we already knew, in that getting the roof sorted is the priority fix. More leaks had caused pools of water in the range and until we get this problem resolved there's little point in doing anything else. Once the roof's done, though, we can really crack on.

We now have internal and external drawings, a list of projects/improvements, and we're calculating required materials. Estimates for the roof-sealing job are also under way, plus various explorations of funding options. In short, we're rolling, but there's plenty to get organised.

Thanks to the lads who came to the inspection party on Saturday, and I know you were as affected by what you saw as I was. When Rosie introduced us to her people, she said "These are our angels." Call me a bit of a softy, but I think I had something in my eye at that moment.

This is a big project, but a do-able one. We'll need to do at least two week-end work sessions, possibly more, but what we could do achieve will make a priceless difference to the disabled shooters. The airgun trade is already pledging funds and the momentum is gathering.

More news as we get it. ;)

[Terry D]

Great effort, Andy, Brian and all who contributed to this very worthy cause.

You are top chaps - even the girlies! :cool:

[Brian.Samson]

It's nice to be able to share my good fortune today and I can't think of a more deserving cause than this one.

Keep up the good work lads.

[Born Again]

If anyone needs a lift from North Kent or Central London let me know.

[kieran turner]

Electrically the building looks ok! All New Dist. boards etc but will probably need new containment etc. But looks promising!

[Nealsey]

Guys,

Can someone host or post the pics and drawings on here, we have an offer to get
them put onto AutoCAD which will enable us to reproduce copies and get ebough workign copies for everyone.

Nealsey

[Prone Shooter]

Drawings and photos will be eagerly awaited. Any ideas on the security requirements yet Terry/Nealsey?

Bob

[PaulH]

I have some rough sketches and dimensions on the building unfortunately my main pc is down at the moment so I cannot skan them in and send them round yet...

I am currently working on a priority of work listing, the main issue that needs to be addressed is getting the building wind and weathertight, the walls to the building are un insulated, the rear elevation will need to be renewed completely, my thoughts are to build over the asbestos that is on the wall insulate this and then clad with exterior grade ply, I have an initial idea of the costs for this but I am sure we can blag some of the materials, I also have enquiries in with specialist contractors that encapsulate the existing asbestos roof sheets with polyurethane foam, therefore rendering the roof watertight and thermally insulated (I have calculated the square meterage of the roof aand have asked for a square meter costing so we can get a rough idea)

I will update as soon as I can

Paul

[Prone Shooter]

Good stuff Paul

It would be a nice idea if someone with the expertise could build a website so the progress of the work could be followed by those unable to offer practical help, with a week bt week update in pictures. It might also encourage more support all round.

Bob

[PaulH]

Bob

That sounds like a fine idea and it could have an area where people could register what skills or assistance they could give, that way we would get a good idea of who or what we needed to get involved.

I am going back to work tomorrow and will be straight on the blag for bits and pieces that will be useful :D

I have to say the toilets are the oldest ones I have ever seen and are genuine museum pieces especially the cisterns!

Paul

[Nealsey]

Paul,

How easy/difficult will the removal/encasing of the asbestos be?
The roof looked to be quite an expanse from the photo I saw earlier
in the thread?

Neal

[PaulH]

Neal

The roof is over 700sm in size I am currently repairing my main pc so should hopefully put some pics / scans up soon


Paul

[PaulH]

Pictures and sketches on their way chaps

[BTDT]

Drawing 1

[BTDT]

Drawing 2.

[PaulH]

The above scans are the dimensions that I took on site on saturday detail is minimal as there were lots of areas and issues to see and time was limited. I have now recieved a square meter rate for the application of the foam insulation, I have sent photo's to the company and they have so far advised that the foam would be applied externally, if this is the case then that would save a lot of initial work by us and cause little disruption to the shooters.

I am awaiting a reply as to when they can attend site to carryout a full assesment so that a formal quotation for the works can be provided and we will then know what we are looking at cost wise. This will be the most costly of the initial works and it is important that the building is weathertight before we crack on and make it more appealing and user friendly.

I will update you all when I have any more info.

I do have more pictures but I am struggling to get these up on the net

Cheers

Paul

[Backache]

Good stuff Paul

It would be a nice idea if someone with the expertise could build a website so the progress of the work could be followed by those unable to offer practical help, with a week bt week update in pictures. It might also encourage more support all round.

Bob

I have a spare Content Management System set up on one of the UKAHFT websites if that is any help or I could load a new one specifically for the work in progress so that when people login they can add their content or report as to where the work is up too. Could also attach it to a forum if required so work could be co-ordinated.

Mail me if you think it's of any use

nev@ukahft.org.uk

Nev

[PaulH]

These links are to the phot's that I took on Saturday I hope these help if anyone wants the full size pics let me know and I will email them they are about 1.6mb in size each picture

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9448/rightsidelm1.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9199/frontelevation2ho1.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7836/frontelevation1bv6.jpg


hth

Paul

[Nealsey]

These links are to the phot's that I took on Saturday I hope these help if anyone wants the full size pics let me know and I will email them they are about 1.6mb in size each picture

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9448/rightsidelm1.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9199/frontelevation2ho1.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7836/frontelevation1bv6.jpg


hth

Paul

Paul,

Top man, I guess once the roof price is established we will get an idea
of how much we will need to raise for the initial weatherproofing of the
shell.

Having spoken to Kieran, the internal electricals although basic are
essentially there, they just need tidying.

So then it's plumbing and decorating I guess and any extras we
can spring for to make the place more useful.

Do we have anyone who will take up the mantle of chief beggar?
We need someone who is used to dealing with companies and basically
begging or equipment for a charitable cause. Anybody up for it?

Nealsey

[Terry D]

Do we have anyone who will take up the mantle of chief beggar?
We need someone who is used to dealing with companies and basically
begging or equipment for a charitable cause. Anybody up for it?

Nealsey

Let's hold on for a little while, Nealsey. There are irons in fires on several fronts and targets are being identified as we speak. We also need to secure the roof repair before much of anything can be done inside. As soon as we finalise the requirements list, we can really go for what we need, rather than opt for a general approach.

There's an airgun manufacturers' meeting on the 11th of July, and this project is on the agenda. By then we'll know most of what we need to about costs and details. ;)

[PaulH]

Paul,

Do we have anyone who will take up the mantle of chief beggar?
We need someone who is used to dealing with companies and basically
begging or equipment for a charitable cause. Anybody up for it?

Nealsey

There must be someone that could sell sand to the arabs and scrounge like a good-un :D That can do this for us..

The initial cost of the roof is a lot less than I expected it to be, however once the company have carried out a site visit we will have a much better idea of costs for this, I have a basic list of materials for the works to the end elevation so if people can lay their hands on screws and nails etc. this will help matters along

Paul

[Nealsey]

There must be someone that could sell sand to the arabs and scrounge like a good-un :D That can do this for us..

The initial cost of the roof is a lot less than I expected it to be, however once the company have carried out a site visit we will have a much better idea of costs for this, I have a basic list of materials for the works to the end elevation so if people can lay their hands on screws and nails etc. this will help matters along

Paul

Screws and nails from Screwfix direct Paul, pennies in comparison to
other retailers.

Once we have enough cash for the roof we can sort out the other stuff.

Could you PM me with the rough cost so I know what we have to work
to?

Neal

[Prone Shooter]

One less than minor point is that a H & S risk assesment needs to be done. Any specialist contractor will be able to provide this for their element of the work such as the roofers however for those who are volunteer workers, H&S needs to be in place otherwise in the unfortunate instance of an accident, all the good work could be undone by a accident claim. I can certainly provide RA and method statements for the security work

One area of particular concern has already been raised with the asbestos roof, but do we know if there is any more of the damned stuff else where. I'd want to know this before I started drilling holes:o

Sorry for that input item, but it should be covered chaps.

Bob

[snock]

One less than minor point is that a H & S risk assesment needs to be done. Any specialist contractor will be able to provide this for their element of the work such as the roofers however for those who are volunteer workers, H&S needs to be in place otherwise in the unfortunate instance of an accident, all the good work could be undone by a accident claim. I can certainly provide RA and method statements for the security work

One area of particular concern has already been raised with the asbestos roof, but do we know if there is any more of the damned stuff else where. I'd want to know this before I started drilling holes:o

Sorry for that input item, but it should be covered chaps.

Bob

I've just referred to the notes I made on Saturdays visit, Bob, and I'm certain that I saw asbestos on the side of one of the huts. Hut 2 / range 2, to be precise.

The initial idea was to cloak the whole wall by putting a new skin onto the existing one by fixing new uprights onto the current ones. This would provide most remedial work as far as all the holes through to the outside are concerned.

The roof is really the main asbestos concern; there's a lot of it!

Once Paul gets the quote for the roof treatment and Terry has had the meeting with AMTA, we're going to have another visit to glean some more info.

Pete.;)

[James N]

Guys...if you need a spare hand i am free throughout the summer

Nealsey has said he can take me up..so when you need me, give us a shout

James

[snock]

I believe the club secretary is talking to their bank regarding online donations, Andy. I certainly haven't heard back from Rosie about this, I don't know if Terry has.:confused:

No matter how it's done, there will be an ability to contribute donations.

Terry will give you the SP when he comes online later.

Cheers.

Pete.;)

[Terry D]

Andy, I'm talking to Rosie tomorrow and I'll let you know what's transpired re. donations. Meanwhile, thanks so much for doing what you're doing, mate.

In other news, Jeffrey Oldstead from B.A.S.C. has contacted me and wants to include the first post in this thread in the Association's publication, including the donation address and news of the HFT lads' fundraising efforts.
Thanks B.A.S.C., we appreciate that.

Finally, thanks too to all of those that have volunteered. Your offers have been logged and you WILL be contacted. Well-done all. ;)

[Smokeless Coal]

Yes I did email BASC an informd them of your sterling efforts:o

You might be surprised at some of the others who now know:D:rolleyes:

[Terry D]

Coal is king! Well done, that chap! ;)

[Snapshot]

Terry, please add me to the list of volunteers.

Jonathan

[PaulH]

Today I have spoken to the asbestos removal company that I use at work, they have offered to remove the asbestos from the rear elevation of the building for us FOC (for nothing in other words), all they have asked for is that I give them about a weeks notice before we want it removed and it will be gone. This will enable us to reconstruct the rear elevation without any health risks and produce a better finished article.

I am also going to be dealing with a couple of other issues and will update on what these are when I have the results I want...:D

I have requested a date for the roofing company to visit site to carry out a survey and will be chasing them for this date tomorrow.....

Paul

[Smokeless Coal]

I've emailed Department of Cultuire media and sport, Shadow minister of sport Hugh Roberton, Sport England, The Beeb, The Telegraph, Boris Johnson (he likes a good story), Countryside Alliance. It all sounds like a major attack but if the buggers all ignore me then it's wasted effort.

So what, I try again:D

The situation is a national disgrace. And I tell them so.

You guys bring tears to my eyes at the sacrifices you are prepard to make, but mega millions thrown at a new logo when the sportsmen and women who have a desire to perform cant do so because purse string are held shut really sickens me. Is the Olympics/paralympcs about money? Only those prepared to lick a@@ will get funding? FFS thank F for good people like you.

[baxterbasics]

Count me in-particularly over a weekend. Oh,I have a crew cab with seven spare seats for trades/willing hands from my area.........:)

[Nealsey]

Any update on this chaps,

we don't want it to lose momentum.

Nealsey

[snapcapblue]

Hi any update on on-line donations? I have £50 waiting and probably more later. Cheers and ATB - Tony:)

[Terry D]

I've been in touch with Rosie today, and I'm told the details are 'imminent'.

Hang on to your dosh for a little while longer, mate, we'll get it sorted. ;)

[Terry D]

Hooray! Just got this from John the Treasurer!

'I have got an account number at last it is 10626667. sort code 40-52-26 the Bank's name Butterfield Bank (UK) Ltd>
The account name is "Disability Target Shooting GB Charity Account".

I understand that Paypal can be used to pay direct to the account

Best wishes and thanks so much for all your help,

John'


Now, I haven't a clue how these things work, so will someone who has confirm this is all that's needed to get the donations sorted, please? Ta.

More news as we get it. ;)

[Charlts]

Hooray! Just got this from John the Treasurer!

'I have got an account number at last it is 10626667. sort code 40-52-26 the Bank's name Butterfield Bank (UK) Ltd>
The account name is "Disability Target Shooting GB Charity Account".

I understand that Paypal can be used to pay direct to the account

Best wishes and thanks so much for all your help,

John'


Now, I haven't a clue how these things work, so will someone who has confirm this is all that's needed to get the donations sorted, please? Ta.

More news as we get it. ;)

Using telephone or online banking a bill payment can be sent with a reference to that account. This could also be done in a branch and should be free!

Ryan

[Rustynuts]

Now, I haven't a clue how these things work, so will someone who has confirm this is all that's needed to get the donations sorted, please? Ta.


That's all you'll need...just sent in my donation.

It's the same amount of info you'd need to create a payment for a purchase off the BBS (the same detail on a cheque too)

HTH

[Terry D]

Top man, Rusty! Having never written a cheque in my life, I haven't a scooby about such doings, but as long as it works - huzzah! :D

[Backache]

I intend to donate a 1/2 days salary to this charity and will try to get some people at work and at the club to do the same.

I feel a poster coming on:D

Nev

[snapcapblue]

Hi thanks for the OL bank details. Just transfered £50 as promised. Cheers and ATB - Tony:)

[Terry D]

Nev and 'blue - good on yuz!

Onward! ;)

[Dinkum dude]

Going to put mine across now, will there be a record of how much the BBs raises? Would be interesting to see how well we do on the fundraising.

[Terry D]

I'll ask if that's possible, mate - and thanks for your donation! ;)

[Terry D]

Mark's a top bloke - but then we knew that already - and so are you, Andy, for taking on the collecting, mate. ;)

We're already making a difference, everyone. Let's keep doing it. :)

[Dinkum dude]

I understand that Paypal can be used to pay direct to the account

;)

It seems that to pay by paypal an email address is needed to make the payment to, Do we have any information on this.

The money is burning a hole in me screen:p

[Terry D]

I thought all the required info was there, mate. I don't do Paypal, see? :confused:

[Rustynuts]

It seems that to pay by paypal an email address is needed to make the payment to, Do we have any information on this.

The money is burning a hole in me screen:p

Dinkum...just use online banking buddy....just as easy...probably quicker and safer too :eek:

I know, I know...bank's are theiving swines, but sometimes, just sometimes mind you, their systems work (did I just type that outloud?:o)

Easier to keep track of your cash too then - unless you're trying to launder money :eek::eek::D:D

[Terry D]

From Rosie Hughes:

Hi Terry

Please could you add a message on the web site from us all saying a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has offered to help, either by manpower to refurbish the range or donating money. This whole thing is really amazing. We are really looking forward to the Game Fair so that we can put faces to names and say thank you in person. (Maybe everyone can wear a name badge with ther 'web' names on) Ok perhaps not. I'll stop now before I have any more bright ideas!!

Regards Rosie


;)

[JsE.]

My donation just sent via instant online transfer :)

BUMP for a worthy cause;)


Jason.

[Terry D]

From Rikki Singh, to you lot: :D


Dear All

I would like to thank you all for everything you are doing for us. Your kindness, generosity and offers of help are absolutely fantastic and have made us all feel very honoured, proud and humble.

The things you are doing will stand disability target shooting in good stead for many years to come. So on behalf of our members, both current and future, I just wanted to let you know that we are very grateful to you all.

Rikki Singh
Chairman - Disability Target Shooting Great Britain

---------

He's a top bloke is Rikki, and it's nice to know that your efforts are making a difference.

Take a bow, BBS - you is da nutz! :cool:

[PaulH]

Today I have spoken the roofing contractor and I have arranged to meet him on 18/07/07... this is so that they can provide a firm quotation for the works to make the roof fully watertight and insulated. I will negotiate to the best of my ability to get the most competitive price possible ! :D

I am also in the throws of negotiating another donation and will update further should this come to fruition :D

Apparently negotiating is similar to scrounging :D:D

Paul

[snock]

Nice going Paul! With a decent [or free :cool:] roof covering, the project would be well under way!

This is a great cause, folks. A real chance to make a difference to like-minded shooters who cannot do the work themselves, no matter how much they'd like to.

Please help in anyway you can.:)

[HW45 Clubmember]

Hi all

Would just like to offer my services for this excellant project. until about a year ago I worked as a Building Services Maintenance Engineer, now work for an engineering consultancy would be willing to work on some weekends maybe help Bob, my Chris shares a tent with Bobs Chris on the Duke of Edingburgh walks, with the alarm etc. Still have most of the tools of the trade.

Just a few points:

1) Has the Landlord, as it is his responsability, had a full asbestos survey carried out? if so can we see this.
2) Are these works being carried out with the full approval of the Landlord?
3) Do the DTSGB have a written lease for these premises and for how many years? as once the works are complete the landlord may say thanks very much for doing up my building now out you go. It happens unfortunately.

kind regards

Andy

[Smokeless Coal]

Something of a contrast over the way

http://www.wheelpower.org.uk/dyncat.cfm?catid=10454

[snock]

If only the shooting hut looked like the one at the bottom of that page.:(
You really couldn't get facilities which are further removed from that plush, new building.:(

[P30man]

Held a collection at our juniors meeting this morning, another £55 on its way.

[Smokeless Coal]

Nothing yet on BASC's website, most disapointing when people say they are prepared to help then don't come up with the goods. Still time I guess.

[Enthusiast]

Sorry I posted this on the wrong section, cut and pasted text below. Andy J can you pm me your details and I'll post the cheque to you please?

:oDelighted to say that all attending the Ford HFT shoot today agreed to the club HFT funds going towards this worthy cause, so a cheque for £100 will soon be on its way Regards

Richard

[Enthusiast]

Hooray! Just got this from John the Treasurer!

'I have got an account number at last it is 10626667. sort code 40-52-26 the Bank's name Butterfield Bank (UK) Ltd>
[B][SIZE="5"]The account name is "Disability Target Shooting GB Charity Account".

Can just pay into this account at any high street bank?

Regards

Richard

[Nealsey]

Where are we in respect of the working party chaps?

Nealsey

[snock]

Terry has had a scheduled meeting with the trade today and the project, I believe, was on the minutes. I don't know what was said, Nealsey, but I don't doubt 'our Tel' will spill the beans soon enough.

Pete.;)

[Rustynuts]

Can just pay into this account at any high street bank?

Regards

Richard

Indeed you can Richard.

ATB, Rusty.

[Enthusiast]

Indeed you can Richard.

ATB, Rusty.

That's what I was waiting for, thanks

Richard

[Terry D]

Bean-spillage ahoy, chaps!

I'm absolutely delighted to announce that, at yesterday's meeting with the Airgun Manufacturer's and Traders Association, it was unanimously agreed that a sum of £15,000 would be donated to the appeal. This is designed to kick-start the refurbishing programme as soon as the estimates are in.

Furthermore, the organisors of the Midland Game Fair immediately pledged a further £1000, plus a whole range of fundraising options which are incredibly promising.

So, that's £16k in the kitty, plus the kind donations already received, which means we'll soon be making noise and replacing stuff. Lobberman is getting the estimate for the roof on Wednesday, after which it's all systems go.

Keep doing what you're doing, chaps, because, as the young scamps on the streets would have it - you are well-good! :D

[Prone Shooter]

Fantastic news Terry. I'm proud to be an air gunner!

Bob

[baxterbasics]

Thats fantastic news:)

[Kingplinker]

Fantastic news Terry. I'm proud to be an air gunner!
Bob


You beat me too it Bob

That really is great news Terry :D

Dave

[Terry D]

Fantastic news Terry.

I will be taking the AirgunBBS collection total that I collected at the Anston shoot and the donation from a couple of individuals and Kibworth too, to the bank and paying it in on Monday. I don't think I will be able to get much more out of the shooters up here. I will post a picture of the reciept on here.

regards

Great news, Andy! Your efforts, and those of the poor folks you bullied :D, are fully appreciated, mate.

Well-done all! ;)

[Clifftop]

Brilliant news that is Terry, well done matey!:cool:

PS: After a 'phone call to the BASC press office, they have just told me that there will be an article on this in the next Shooting and Conservation magazine.:):)

[snock]

Top stuff!! We can indeed be proud to support a very worthy cause. And also to our sport! It goes to show that shooters really are among the the very best of folk.

Pete.;)

[Born Again]

Deep Joy,

Now, has a date been set for the first work party ?

[roger 62]

Lea Valley are more than happy to support this brilliant cause.

We'll be donating £200 from club funds straightaway - will pay a cheque for that amount into the above account next week.

We'll also be looking at things like a raffle, a collection amongst members and a charity event in aid of this - possibly this year, maybe next. More details after t'committee has met in August.

R
El Sec

[P30man]

Great result, well done every one, it warms the heart to know people can still rally round for a worthy cause.:D

[DRIFTER]

Hi Terry
My mrs read your Stoke Mandaville thread
She has took up clay shooting and broke her record last saturday 20 out of 25
she has only been 3 months at have ago and she was so touched by the thread that she said she would do some sponsor forms in aid of the stoke mandiville shooters and see if they would sponsor her to be able to get between 20 and 25
but you will need to see her score card please can you tell me what she should do to get it to you so you can put on bbs
regards
dave :)

[Enthusiast]

Hooray! Just got this from John the Treasurer!I have got an account number at last it is 10626667. sort code 40-52-26 the Bank's name Butterfield Bank (UK) Ltd

The account name is "Disability Target Shooting GB Charity Account".

Sorry to be a pain, but I have just completed my tour of the 4 high st banks trying to pay into this account with little success

Lloyds TSB didn't have a clue, Nat West said try Barclays, Barclays said try HSBC. HSBC said that it looks like one of their sort codes but the Butterfield Bank must have set HSBC up as a collection agent...but they cannot accept the money on an HSBC paying in slip, you need one from Butterfield Bank.

I haven't a clue about pay pal, I've got £100 in cash of Southern regional shooters' money itching to be paid into this fund - help!:o

I can pay it into my account and write a cheque (to...?) if that helps.

Richard

[roger 62]

Thanks for pointing that out, is it best we send cheques direct to them?

[Rustynuts]

Sorry to be a pain, but I have just completed my tour of the 4 high st banks trying to pay into this account with little success

Lloyds TSB didn't have a clue, Nat West said try Barclays, Barclays said try HSBC. HSBC said that it looks like one of their sort codes but the Butterfield Bank must have set HSBC up as a collection agent...but they cannot accept the money on an HSBC paying in slip, you need one from Butterfield Bank.

I haven't a clue about pay pal, I've got £100 in cash of Southern regional shooters' money itching to be paid into this fund - help!:o

I can pay it into my account and write a cheque (to...?) if that helps.

Richard


You SHOULD be able to request of your bank that a transfer to those details be made...

By the sound of it, they'll need you to deposit the cash into your account first, but then a one off payment FROM your account should certainly be within the realms of possibility. It can be done using online banking, and cashier banking is just the same but with a physical person instead.

Failing your bank being willing/able to help, try this (http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1945104&postcount=132)

[Enthusiast]

You SHOULD be able to request of your bank that a transfer to those details be made...

By the sound of it, they'll need you to deposit the cash into your account first, but then a one off payment FROM your account should certainly be within the realms of possibility. It can be done using online banking, and cashier banking is just the same but with a physical person instead.

Failing your bank being willing/able to help, try this (http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1945104&postcount=132)

My faith in the bank's ability to get this paid into the right place has been dented somewhat.

I had missed the post with the address on. I'll do that then.:D

Thanks

Richard

[roger 62]

To save on clicks:

Any donations will be gratefully received by, John Morgan, the Treasurer of the DTSGB at the following address:

5, Suffolk Road,
Royston, Herts.
SG8 9EX

Please make cheques payable to the DTSGB.

[Terry D]

Thanks again, everyone - you've all been fantastic.

The ownwers of the range have confirmed the shooters' tenancy for 60 years and all we need to do now is sort out a risk assessment covering the proposed work, and we're off and running.

Sorting the risk assessment under way as we speak. ;)

Thanks again you lot! :D

[DRIFTER]

Hi Terry
has anyone thought of getting in touch with challenge anaka that is back if we got her on it then the money that has been raised would help to keep up the upkeep of the building and for what they need new for shooting :)
dave

[PaulH]

Today I was advised by my main contractor at work that they will be supplying the following items towards the refurbishment of the range.

1. Approximately 450 lm 4 x 2 treat sawn timber
2. Approximately 28 sheets 18mm 2400 x 1200 exterior grade ply
3. 3 no. double exterior door frames
4. 6 no. flush exterior flush doors
5. Approximately 28 sheets 70mm 2400 x 1200 celotex insulation board (or similar)
6. 4 no WC pans and cisterns
7. 4 no. wash hand basins complete with taps.
8. 1 no. double panic bar

I initially asked if they would be able to supply any of the above and was told today that the complete list would be forthcoming and I could let people know this as it is just a matter of sorting out delivery dates and confirmation in writing was to follow.

I am meeting the roofing contractor tomorrow on site to finally get the quotation for the roof works and will update everyone when I have news of this..

After all this excitement I am going for a lay down :D:D

Paul

[snock]

That's excellent news, Paul!!! With companies as generous as this behind it, the project will have no problems!!;)

Well-done, mate!:cool:

[Terry D]

Woo-hoo! I knew that Lobberman geezer was a star the first time I made him one! :D:D:D

Truly excellent news, Paulie - you are indeed da maaaan!

I'm all of a dither. I think I'd better rub down my Verminator until I'm calm. :cool:

Lobberman, the BBS salutes you, mate. ;)

[snock]

Paul, what time are you going to get there, mate? I'm on earlies this week so if it fits with me being at home I'd like to come along again.

Cheers,
Pete.;)

[PaulH]

I am meeting Rosie and the roofer at 11.30hrs

[snock]

Damn! Too early for me.:(
No worries mate, it sounds like you've got it pretty well stitched up, anyway.

Pete.;)

[snock]

How did you get on with the roofing company, Paul? Did they give you a figure?

Pete.;)

[PaulH]

The site visit went well the roofing company have said that it is a very simple roof to work on and they will email a quotation to me hopefully tomorrow and then follow this up in writing. I have a good idea of the costs but hopefully the quotation will come in lower than my calculations (fingers and everything else crossed)

I have tried to get the best price out of them as I can and explained that we need this to be their best price and that everyone is giving what they can to this very worthy cause.

Next thing we need to do is get a company to reline the galvanised box gutters as the foam is not suitable for them. I have seen a couple of companies about but if anyone knows of one specifically please shout out...

Finally Rosie watches this thread like a hawk and I was hoping to surprise her with my news from last night but she already knew and hugged me several times today (I'm sure I have a couple of broken ribs) also I spoke to one of the shooters today on Rosie's phone and she asked me to pass on big thankyou's to everyone on the bbs(I'm sure she was trying to hug me as well):D:D

Well Rosie and Mandy I know you are watching;) this would appear to be just the start :D:D:D (that kitchen needs sorting too);)

Paul:o:o

[Terry D]

More great work from Paul - and you deserved those hugs, mate! ;)

[PaulH]

Below is the main details of the quotation for the works to the roof, the price is a fair bit lower than I was expecting and it is definately achievable



REPORT
The area to be treated is a single storey, triple bay shooting gallery. The roof is of typical
construction with asbestos sheets, there are various points of water ingress due to general wear
and tear, cracking of the substrate and corrosion of bolt heads. We are to spray out all rooflights
and exclude any gutters.
An application of Sprayseal foam and coating will not only eradicate all current weatherproofing
problems, but will also greatly enhance the thermal performance of the building with up to 80%
of current heat loss through the roof saved. The system when in place will be fully guaranteed for
a period of 10 years with the option of an insurance backed guarantee also for the same period.
The system meets the relevant British Standards No’s BS 5241 and BS 7021 for externally
applied foam and coating for weatherproofing and insulation.
SPECIFICATION
1.
Where required erect necessary safety and access equipment to comply with
Government Safety Regulations.
2.
Remove all friable material from substrate and ensure spraying surface is clean and dry.
Clear any debris from site.

3.
All loose sheets should be firmly fixed and any projecting bolt heads should be cropped.
4.
Spray apply an average thickness of 25mm fo Sprayseal high density rigid polyurethane
foam (40kg/m3) to designated area. The foam to be tapered down at roof extremities
and graded upwards into upstands to avoid problems of capillary drive.
5.
Spray and/or brush apply, whichever applicable, polyurethane high performance
elastomeric membrane to foamed area. The membrane to be taken 50mm beyond the
finished edge of the foam to ensure a seamless integral flashing is achieved. Application
rate to be 0.81/m2. Final colour to be silver.
6.
Remove all plant and materials from site.
QUOTATION
All materials supplied and work carried out as per specification for the sum of:-£13,500.00 plus vat

Paul

[baxterbasics]

I believe this project is about to get the green light:)

[PaulH]

After having a hectic couple of weeks (getting a new job) I have recieved the quotation for the roof works in writing in full, the offer is valid for 90 days and is based on the monies being paid on completion of the specified works, having spoken to the contractor today no allowance has been made for providing edge protection to the roof, this will be extra UNLESS we have any scaffolders on the BBS that can provide a double handrail as edge protection on the roof. The quote is still very low and the contractor is going to provide costings for this edge protection from a couple of companies local to Stoke Mandeville as the roofer is from Cheshire... If anyone knows any scaffolders who can help the same with the gutters please twist their arms it is a good cause...

[DRIFTER]

Hi Terry
Went to Oxford Gun Co Oakley yesturday to take the wife for her have ago shoot and she asked the owners wife shirley if she could do a sponsored shoot
to raise money forthe repairs and she asked her to ask you what sort of shooting do they do is it air pistols and airguns or what as she said that she would find something in the shop for them to raffle or to auction so the wife is going to do one would you be able to do her some forms and send
regards
David :)

[snock]

Hi David,

They do 10m match shooting there. They have several lanes set out with retrievable target cards and they shoot from a bench, although they don't rest on it whilst shooting.

Pete.;)

[DRIFTER]

Hi David,

They do 10m match shooting there. They have several lanes set out with retrievable target cards and they shoot from a bench, although they don't rest on it whilst shooting.

Pete.;)

thanks pete :)