Benjamin Sheridan EB, or HW 45?

[Jim McArthur]

If you had to choose between one of these pistols - one of them a CO2, the other a springer - for the task of destroying, say, a vicious tin can at 20 paces :D : which would you prefer, and why?

Jim

[rooster]

HW45, better build quality and a springer so no messing around.

[Firestorm]

Hi Jim,

Never handled an HW45, but my EB22 rips the buggers to bits.:D

apparently very close to 6ft/lbs and I reckon it's true, packs one hell of a punch...

recommend it.

atb

Russ

[cptman]

i've got both pistols and both do the job however with the eb once you have put in the gas cylinder you either have to use it completely or discard when only part used half used otherwise you will damage the seals.
the hw45 you can pick up or put down regardles of how many shots you put through it.
for me it's th hw45 every time (the build quality is much better too)

[el maipino]

I have both, the HW45 in .177 and .22 and the EB in .20 and .22.

Build wise the HW45 wins no problem though the EB is not a flimsy affair either. My EB .20 seems to be more powerful than the .22 and fires with an impressive bang. Accuracy wise I find easier to be on target at short distance with the EB than the HW45 , this may be due to the weight of the HW45 or my skill/lack of or both.

I find the EB .20 does more damage to thicker soup cans than the HW45 in either caliber and the EB .22.

I have had a few pellets bounce off with the HW45, though leaving quite a dent in the can.

My EB .20 regulary goes thru both ends of a thick soup can.

My HW45 is well worn in so even though the EB being co2 is easier to rapid shoot, the HW45 is smooth and quick to cock and fire.

The safety on my HW45 is the one thing I do not like, has a mind of its own but have been told how to fix this. The EB safety is excellent.

The ease of taking the EB apart is a good point for service, the HW45 is not much more of a hassle and changing barrels is easy peasy.

I have a scope as well as a laser on my HW45 so accuracy is very good with these aids. My last HW45 had no aiming aids and I still found it easy to be accurate out to approx 20 yards. Sure it would be good at slightly longer range but I do not have the space right now.

The EB is used with open sights, which are basic but functional, though I have just purchased some benjaim scope mounts for it and will see what a good red dot , scope laser etc will do.

Even though the HW45 is more "real gun" looking, I find the EB'S simple design and excellent build make it a pleasure to shoot.

It truely is a pick up and shoot kinda gun. Never really counted how many shots I get out of it but sure it must be over 25.

So accuracy wise it goes to the HW45 at the moment but a close race. Looks wise the HW45 but I think the EB once polished /chromed and blinged it would be the winner for me. Ease of use I give to the EB due to the simple bolt actiona nd ease at getting of the next shot compared to the springer even though a well broken gun takes no time at all.

My 2 and halfs pence worth

Patricio

[Maltoid]

Get both I did and both are great in their own way as said above
Eric:)

[Jim McArthur]

I have both, the HW45 in .177 and .22 and the EB in .20 and .22.

Build wise the HW45 wins no problem though the EB is not a flimsy affair either. My EB .20 seems to be more powerful than the .22 and fires with an impressive bang. Accuracy wise I find easier to be on target at short distance with the EB than the HW45 , this may be due to the weight of the HW45 or my skill/lack of or both.

I find the EB .20 does more damage to thicker soup cans than the HW45 in either caliber and the EB .22.

I have had a few pellets bounce off with the HW45, though leaving quite a dent in the can.

My EB .20 regulary goes thru both ends of a thick soup can.

My HW45 is well worn in so even though the EB being co2 is easier to rapid shoot, the HW45 is smooth and quick to cock and fire.

The safety on my HW45 is the one thing I do not like, has a mind of its own but have been told how to fix this. The EB safety is excellent.

The ease of taking the EB apart is a good point for service, the HW45 is not much more of a hassle and changing barrels is easy peasy.

I have a scope as well as a laser on my HW45 so accuracy is very good with these aids. My last HW45 had no aiming aids and I still found it easy to be accurate out to approx 20 yards. Sure it would be good at slightly longer range but I do not have the space right now.

The EB is used with open sights, which are basic but functional, though I have just purchased some benjaim scope mounts for it and will see what a good red dot , scope laser etc will do.

Even though the HW45 is more "real gun" looking, I find the EB'S simple design and excellent build make it a pleasure to shoot.

It truely is a pick up and shoot kinda gun. Never really counted how many shots I get out of it but sure it must be over 25.

So accuracy wise it goes to the HW45 at the moment but a close race. Looks wise the HW45 but I think the EB once polished /chromed and blinged it would be the winner for me. Ease of use I give to the EB due to the simple bolt actiona nd ease at getting of the next shot compared to the springer even though a well broken gun takes no time at all.

My 2 and halfs pence worth

Patricio

That's quite a review, Pat: thank you. :)

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

Get both I did and both are great in their own way as said above
Eric:)

Stop encouraging me to spend money, Eric! :D

Jim

[Maltoid]

Ah well Jim
consider the EB cheaper to buy but running costs are higher but what a lovely compact pistol.

HW45 dearer to buy and cheaper to run but longer and heavier.

Both great pistols thats why I got both among others which I must list on here soon.

Cheers Eric:)

[Jim McArthur]

In all seriousness, Eric: we both know that I'm going to end up with a boatload of them! :D

Cheers,

Jim

[psb_74]

i would get the hw45 i have owned one for a few months and love it i have only just brought a e9a .177 and e9a.22 but would never part with the hw45 put a red dot sight on it i can hit a pop bottle lid every time 10 to 15 metres you will love it also i know the 45 might cost a little more but not after owning it a few months you will soon make up the difference in co2 but both are good pistols

[bigglesworth]

What about a Diana P5 Magnum; 5.1 FPE with RWS SuperH-Points;; http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2737921#post2737921
Diana Mod. P5 Magnum Pistol;0.177 - AirgunBBS.com


Kenny.

[Jerry Cornelius]

Although the EB is fun mine took some work to sort out. First, the plate that the bolt engages with to hold the bolt shut was incorrectly positioned, so that the bolt blew open when the pistiol was fired. I had to remove it, elongate the fixing holes, and refix. And the trigger was terrible, which wasn't too surprising when I saw how the sears had been finished, or rather not finished. Not too bad now I have polished them up.

So I'd say Crosman's quality control leaves a bit to be desired.

Quite a nice pistol once fixed though. Next project is to knock up some grips to replace the horrible brown planks it comes with.

[Jim McArthur]

I'm glad I posted this thread. I'm learning that the EB is not the "simple tank" I thought it to be. :(

Jim

[ratgunner]

I'm glad I posted this thread. I'm learning that the EB is not the "simple tank" I thought it to be. :(

Jim

I have to say buy both guns, I did, the EB is a cannon and as stated needs a tweak or two, excellent muzzle blast and a real can slicer, the HW 45 is a dream to shoot and cheaper to run, even an old Git! like me can shoot accurately out to 20 metres once it is run in and zeroed,

I shoot RWS Superdomes .22 in both having tried loads of others and found these perfect.

[Jim McArthur]

Thanks, RG: I'll have to give those Superdomes a try.

Of these two pistols, which do you think is the more powerful?

Jim

[Maltoid]

Jim
Your'e not still debating are you?
I chrono'd my pistols today, it was about 18c here today so nice and warm for a test, The EB .20 with H&N ftt 5.8ftlbs for 30 shots from a new capsule before it started dropping off.

The HW45 which has a .22 barrel in a .177 action with .22 H&Nftt first few shots were 5.3 ftlbs then when the grease warmed up went to 5.6ftlbs consistantly.

These readings were taken on an alpha crony shot through from 3mts as I find you get better readings than from a few inches.

Best advise is get an EB that has been a little fettled from sombody that knows what they are doing S/H.

And definately get the HW45 they are such good build quality

Cheers
Eric:)

[jefL]

Also get the Gamo Compact Jim.;):D
Now I've sorted the trigger it is turning out to be a stunning pistol. I can't quite believe how accurate it is for the price.
I am now matching scores I previously only obtained two handed, but shooting single handed.

[Jim McArthur]

What worries me about the Gamo is its light weight. I have a hard time holding the HW 40/P3 steady. :(

Jim

[webranger]

My HW45 bought recently does 4fpe .177 and is great fun to shoot but can be very erratic (probably me:D). Our lad has one in .22 bought years ago the cocking and firing is smoother and does not recoil as much as mine. Mine has true glow sights which I consider an asset. Both do a great job on a tin can and can easily hit one at 20yds I often do this. Both are very hold sensetive but can be very accurate if you get it right bit of a black art.

Mine has a problem with the right hand safety toggle which currently is not attatched, formerly pins vibrating out, sounds like dracula's coffin lid being lifted during cocking.

Were I to consider buying one now pitting Skeltz's against mine I would buy an older one second hand as I believe the build quality of the new ones is poor.
John

[Maltoid]

Here are my 45 and EB20

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/jacketch/DSCF2301.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/jacketch/DSCF2302.jpg

Both bought S/H from this site, The .20 is as I bought it but has had a little modding to the internals by me.

I serviced the 45 and made the grips from some plum branch that given to me for my woodburner but when I split it and saw the grain I had to use it instead.

I will be making some for the EB soon and better ones for the 45.

So Jim,
Made up your mind yet?

Eric:)

[Jim McArthur]

Here are my 45 and EB20

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/jacketch/DSCF2301.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/jacketch/DSCF2302.jpg

Both bought S/H from this site, The .20 is as I bought it but has had a little modding to the internals by me.

I serviced the 45 and made the grips from some plum branch that given to me for my woodburner but when I split it and saw the grain I had to use it instead.

I will be making some for the EB soon and better ones for the 45.

So Jim,
Made up your mind yet?

Eric:)

Beauties, both of them, Eric. :)

I'm still undecided. But since my Smith arrived just yesterday, I'll have some time getting used to that one and some need to save up for the next one, before my next air pistol purchase.

Cheers,

Jim

[jtw000]

Can you take the barrel off of an EB22?

[Maltoid]

If you have an angle grinder or a dremel with cutting disc you can:D

Then you would have to braize or brass solder the new one on:eek:

Any thing is possible but best not to do it.

Eric:)

[neil1972]

i have a eb22,and a hw45 in 177,for me anyway,,hw every time,,but i like the eb,,,light gun,,,v powerful,,,as loud as a cannon,,,my 11 year old daughter can ,cock ,,load and shoot,,,,not many pistols can boast that..ive had my hw for 17 years now,,,still looks new,,,,,every pistol collection,should have one