Real pistols

[sheene]

Not sure if I can do this in this part of the forum but we'll see. Hope mods will be generous and allow this :)

Anyone ever shot a real firearm and how did it compare to air pistols?

I've shot:

a Smith and Wesson .44, 250 rounds, wrist hurt! Gun was awesome and accurate at up to 40-50 yards (my limit). Was hitting the numbers on the human silhouettes which were 50mm in diameter (normal notch and post sites). What a kick though!

Colt 1911 .45. 300 Rounds, favourite pistol of all.

Glock 22 .40 200 rounds. Didn't really like it. Broad trigger and too much of a reach round to it from pistol grip. Has a broad pistol grip to accommodate the double stack magazine.

Anyone else?

[Tiffster]

Co2 pistols have very little if any recoil. The slide doesnt move on most models. But they do make a good bang.

[sheene]

I do like CO2s and air pistols. Would prefer the real thing though :D

[colbo]

I used to own a 1911 .45 - I bought a compensator to reduce recoil slightly but I really enjoyed shooting it. I fired a few of the other guys guns while I was at the club (.357 Colt Python, .38 S&W, and a Luger imitation in .22).

Whilst in the States I also fired a .50 Desert Eagle, the kick was unreal!!

I enjoy air pistol shooting just as much though, I'm still putting a hole in a piece of paper!

[sheene]

I enjoy air pistol shooting just as much though, I'm still putting a hole in a piece of paper!

That's what it's all about!

That Drozd, ain't an American one is it?:D

[Photoguy2910]

I have a mate in Canada who is a cop, last time I was over he took me to the station range and let me loose with his Glock 17... loved it, still smile when I think about it.

I have a few air pistols and love them but if I could have a real Glock that would just be the pinical

[mikewareing]

You have got me going now!

Back in the seventies I had..........Walther P38 9mm, Colt 1911 A1 0.45, Ruger .30 M1Single Action Revolver 7" Barrel(Bottle neck Bullets) a CANNON, Smith & Wesson 0.22 (converted 0.38) a Vostock 0.22 semi auto, Smith & Wesson 0.32 semi auto.

Oh those were the days Boom Bang a Bang!

[Phil G]

Pre 97 owned two S&W 625 in 45acp, Single action Colt (copy) Colt Gold Cup, 4" 586 S&W and my favorite model S&W model 27 with 8" barrel. I estimate the Model 27 had about 100,000 round through it, all home loads done on a Dillon 550b reloading press. At the time of the hand in I decided to have the 27 deactivated as a keep-sake.

Here's the two S&W 625's


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g144/PhilGz/625SW001-1.jpg

[Korium]

I'm pleased to see everyone enjoyed their 1911's. While Glock are unique they aren't comfortable and are quite rigid; the major plus about them I saw was they come in 10mm. Always felt the grip chequering was uncomfortable, except on early generation models which featured much smoother grips.



a Smith and Wesson .44, 250 rounds, wrist hurt! Gun was awesome and accurate at up to 40-50 yards (my limit). Was hitting the numbers on the human silhouettes which were 50mm in diameter (normal notch and post sites). What a kick though!

Anyone who's enjoyed shooting a .44 should really give a .454 a try; it has double the energy of the .44 and significantly eclipses the .50AE.


a Luger imitation in .22

Most likely an Erma from West Germany. Classic little .22LR and quite collectible. I've spotted one in a Sec.5 dealers recently, perhaps it's his?.

[eredel]

Never handled any of these pistols.....:(:(
Eric.

[colbo]

Most likely an Erma from West Germany. Classic little .22LR and quite collectible. I've spotted one in a Sec.5 dealers recently, perhaps it's his?.


The only thing I remembered about it is that the mag kept falling out when I was trying to shoot it!

[MikeB]

As a young lad, I used to shoot a Ruger .22 semi auto and a Smith and Wesson 6" barrel also chambered in .22 at Oldham police range every week. The Ruger was my favourite, and I always aspired to own a few handguns (I always had a hankering after an AMT Automag), but I never got around to it before the 97 ban - life and girls always seemed to get in the way. ;)

Happy days.

[Korium]

Never handled any of these pistols.....:(:(
Eric.

France or Belgium and the Isle of Man all have the option of trying pistols or at any rate I'm told they do allow it on the IOM but would recommend taking a closer look beforehand. They are legal in Jersey, Ulster, IOM, Ireland and I think Guernsey too.

Belgium's my recommendation.


The only thing I remembered about it is that the mag kept falling out when I was trying to shoot it!

I never said they were any good. :D

[eredel]

Next time I'm abroad I'll have to check out the pistol clubs....:cool:
Eric.

[Phil G]

I always had a hankering after an AMT Automag - life and girls (tits) always seemed to get in the way. ;)

Happy days.


Like this? it belonged to a buddy of mine
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g144/PhilGz/photo1copy6.jpg

[sheene]

It;s the only way! Convince the missus about Miami-lovely place to go in January, cheap, polite people, good hotels and crazy gun laws. When i go there, I see kids as young as 14-15 come in and hire handguns in semi/full auto plus fully automatic rifles-MP5, AKs you name it. $30 dollars to hire a S&W .50 for the hour and rounds at $15 per 50. Mind you with cases in rifle length. it sur will hurt your wrist over an hour. BTW saw a kid once come in and use a S&W .44. He was 10 years old, it was ok though as he had a responsible adult with him. His 16 year old brother!:eek:

>>>LINK<<< (http://www.acesindoorshooting.com/index.html)

Place I go to. Not quite Miami, down town Doral. You need a gun there just walk around and feel safe. A few times when I go there you see a few pimps turn up in their cars with their hoes (gardening instrument) to shoot their AKs etc!

[eredel]

That looks like the sort of thing I'd enjoy Alex...never been to the States, we tend to go to the Greek Islands most of the time but maybe I'll convince the wife we need a change.....:rolleyes:
Eric.

[Cam.]

During the good old days I had:-

s/h Colt 1911 (had been "modified" and was crap, wouldn’t feed semi wadcutter ammo, took it back for a refund)

New Colt 1911 Gold Cup. Was then worked on by a superb gunsmith. A fantastic pistol, but not ideally suited for pure target shooting. Sold it. (the new owner ended up accidently shooting someone in the pub whilst demonstrating the superb trigger :eek::eek::eek:)

Dan Wesson .44 in 4 & 6 inch barrels. ditto above. A fantastic stress relieving pistol. :D:D:D

s/h Model 41 S&W .22. Superb! :D

Sako TriAce .32. Was superb but the rear of the breech was not milled properly and would jam at least once per mag. took it back for a refund. :mad:

Walther .32 GSP. Nice gun but too front heavy for me.

Walther .22 OSP Very nice.

IMO shooting a PCP target air pistol demands exactly the same skills as that for a firearm. Having said this, the only difference perhaps is that with a firearm pistol it can be easy to get influenced by the savage recoil and noise which in turn can lead to flinching.

Cam

[thaijamie]

hi lads , as some of you know i visit thailand quite often , here's a link to me shooting a beretta and ak47 , the ak is in cambodia , when i was on a visa run

cheers jamie


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thaijamie&search_type=&aq=f

[sheene]

Hey ThaiJamie
Liked the AK! For a minute I thought you were given a single action only....until you didn't let go of that trigger! :D:D

[sheene]

Guys

Isn't it a shame that over here we can't use firearms for our enjoyment but at least (for now) we can still partake in pistol shooting of some kind or firearms in the form of rifls.:)

[thaijamie]

yip , its good fun when on hols to have a shot of such items. the power in the ak is scary to say the least lol.next time i'm in cambodia it'll be the m16.
my friend shot the uzi but said it was tame in compariston to the ak.

i just realised how mad, that must sound to some , the uzi was tame.

atb jamie

[Vulcanator]

Here's my pair and I love 'em!

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o55/iansmama2000/IMG_4326.jpg

[colbo]

Don't rub it in:D

Nice pistols though!

[psf32]

My Sp20 keepet in zurich long way to go and shoot it

http://galhda.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pCB95wCo_CWItbrFvBIuC5on0mzh7Unb9YzWXaJLiS6t_FYg 7o2GRepO08c5GwDPGrWXRDiB_xBQ/DSC00230%20-%20Copy.JPG

[Sonora Rebel]

At present... my daily 'carry' is a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 .45acp auto. It's got an extended muzzle brake 'n WWI type wood grips but otherwise it's 'military'. 'Had that for about 20 years.

(Art 26 Arizona Constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves or the state shall not be impaired.) No permit need for open carry. I do have an AZ CCW tho... for those few times I wear a jacket or raincoat. (hot here)

Other stuff:
Ruger Vaquero SAA .45LC (Long Colt) (Same as Colt Peacemaker)
Walther P-38 9mm auto
Thallmann Mararov 9x18mm auto
Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal C&B (BP) revolver
Taurus " The Judge " 45LC/410 (shotgun) Tracker 5 shot revolver

(Wife's)
Charter Arms .38spl 5 shot revolver
Daewu DI40 .40 cal auto

'Have had;
S&W Mod 239 9mm auto
S&W Mod 36 .38 spl 5 shot revolver
Luger P-08 9mm auto
Mauser C96 (China) .45acp
S&W Mod 10 .38spl 6 shot revolver

I want:

Sig P220 .45acp
Another Ruger Vaquero .45LC
Another P-08 9mm


Since this is 'pistols'... I'm not gettin' into the 'hit parade' long guns. Some of those are scary.

[colbo]

I've got to move to Arizona!

Actually, I went to Sonora a few years ago - lovely place. I remember going to a bar there that had guns for sale under the glass counter, but that could have been Sedona!

[Sonora Rebel]

I've got to move to Arizona!

Actually, I went to Sonora a few years ago - lovely place. I remember going to a bar there that had guns for sale under the glass counter, but that could have been Sedona!


Sedona is in the Sonora Desert... a bit south of me. Yep... I LIKE it here!

[sheene]

During the good old days I had:-

s/h Colt 1911 (had been "modified" and was crap, wouldn’t feed semi wadcutter ammo, took it back for a refund)

New Colt 1911 Gold Cup. Was then worked on by a superb gunsmith. A fantastic pistol, but not ideally suited for pure target shooting. Sold it. (the new owner ended up accidently shooting someone in the pub whilst demonstrating the superb trigger :eek::eek::eek:)

Dan Wesson .44 in 4 & 6 inch barrels. ditto above. A fantastic stress relieving pistol. :D:D:D

s/h Model 41 S&W .22. Superb! :D

Sako TriAce .32. Was superb but the rear of the breech was not milled properly and would jam at least once per mag. took it back for a refund. :mad:

Walther .32 GSP. Nice gun but too front heavy for me.

Walther .22 OSP Very nice.

IMO shooting a PCP target air pistol demands exactly the same skills as that for a firearm. Having said this, the only difference perhaps is that with a firearm pistol it can be easy to get influenced by the savage recoil and noise which in turn can lead to flinching.

Cam

So 2 pistols of yours were used to demonstrate trigger mechanisms on people in pubs then eh?:D:D

[Pete R]

Used to own:

Reck Peacemaker
Walther GSP .22
Colt Python .357
Cold King Cobra .357
Colt Gold Cup .45
Tanfoglio P19S 9mm Maj
Custom Built S&W K Frame PPC .38
Custom Built Tanfoglio Gold Team 9mm Maj

Reloaded my centre fire ammo, shot many thousands of rounds. Other club members had some great collections, over the years we got to fire just about every interesting make of pistol, including some very interesting classic revolvers.

Ahh.. those were the days. Have to make do with air pistols nowadays, but at least I can shoot them in the house.

Pete

[Target Bunny]

When in forces (Fleet Air Arm)
Took part in the Navy shoot at Browndown and had a go with Colt 1911 (although I didn't recognise it untill I spotted the Umarex job), Navy .38 Revolver and a real Colt .44 Black powder. Lost sight of the range for a minute after that one.
Kick? Springers dream on!:D Nearly broke my wrist since I was a weedy 16 Year old.
Now you've done it and m off to Henry Krank site to dribble.
Jim

[Phil G]

Here's my pair and I love 'em!

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o55/iansmama2000/IMG_4326.jpg


Never said this to another man before 'you've got a nice pair there' :eek:



At present... my daily 'carry' is a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 .45acp auto. It's got an extended muzzle brake 'n WWI type wood grips but otherwise it's 'military'. 'Had that for about 20 years.

(Art 26 Arizona Constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves or the state shall not be impaired.) No permit need for open carry. I do have an AZ CCW tho... for those few times I wear a jacket or raincoat. (hot here)

Other stuff:
Ruger Vaquero SAA .45LC (Long Colt) (Same as Colt Peacemaker)
Walther P-38 9mm auto
Thallmann Mararov 9x18mm auto
Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal C&B (BP) revolver
Taurus " The Judge " 45LC/410 (shotgun) Tracker 5 shot revolver

(Wife's)
Charter Arms .38spl 5 shot revolver
Daewu DI40 .40 cal auto

'Have had;
S&W Mod 239 9mm auto
S&W Mod 36 .38 spl 5 shot revolver
Luger P-08 9mm auto
Mauser C96 (China) .45acp
S&W Mod 10 .38spl 6 shot revolver

I want:

Sig P220 .45acp
Another Ruger Vaquero .45LC
Another P-08 9mm


Since this is 'pistols'... I'm not gettin' into the 'hit parade' long guns. Some of those are scary.


Now that's just plain greedy :D

Enjoy, you lucky sob :)

[majex45]

This is the Pip Watts modified Model 27 I have at Bisley under the Heritage Pistol scheme.

[zigliss]

Keep my .40 Beretta Brigadier and my S&W 625 with my in-laws in Ohio.

As for pre-97, between my father and I we had:

- 357 Desert Eagle
- 9mm Beretta 92SB
- 22 Rossi revolver
- 44 S&W 629
- 45ACP Sig P 220
- 9mm - Walther P5
- 357 Colt Python
- 45ACP S&W 625 (had this one deactivated I loved it so much!)

I am started to weep into my coffee here - so enough.....

[Phil G]

I am started to weep into my coffee here - so enough.....



C'mom now lad, stiff upper lip and all that.





:(

[u.k.neil]

I had a Smith 586 6" barrel, Beretta 92FS 9mm in Nickel and a Beretta model 76 .22 cal semi-auto target pistol.

Loved them all....... ah, happy days.

Mind you, two weeks ago I was shooting a Taurus 9mm semi auto in Florida......:D:D:D

Neil

[Woodie]

Here's my pair and I love 'em!

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o55/iansmama2000/IMG_4326.jpg

Like the browning, glad its not the Hungarian FEG copy :D

Our of interest, is that the original belguim de fabrique? Are you a lefty, why did you put ambidexterous safety on? The Browning is probably one of the most comfortable pistols for concealed carry imo

[mr_colt]

Here's my pair and I love 'em!

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o55/iansmama2000/IMG_4326.jpg

The Commander series 80 is my personal favorite too! Albeit in theory only as I was unfortunate to be born in '88 and therefore am part of the "gun-ban" generation here in the UK. Though I'm thinking of visiting either the IOM or Jersey at some point in the next few years. Though I'm not sure if there is any pistol-shooting available to visitors on Jersey (anyone have experience here?)

mr_colt.

P.S. To knowledgeable Colt shooters: Is there any benefit/difference in the Commander series 80 over the series 70 at all?

[Woodie]

Glock 22 .40 200 rounds. Didn't really like it. Broad trigger and too much of a reach round to it from pistol grip. Has a broad pistol grip to accommodate the double stack magazine.

Anyone else?

I hate the Glock, and its only time before they go bust imo. They only produce pistols and knives, some accesories, and mark my words,Glaston Glock will be sold in the near future. They have in fact just done a deal with the GNR (Police) and the PSP(the police who watches the police) to replace their p-38 to glock 17 which has a modified slide release.

the only thing I like about the glock, is the ergonomics. Watch Glock Torture by Magills, it doesn't like sand, a hole was dug 30 cm deep, glock put in and covered up with dry sand. It jamed over and over again.

http://magills.com/pgroup_descrip/5055_Torture+Test+for+your+Glock/?return=%3ftpl%3Dsearch%26search_val%3Dtorture

A gun you can abuse and abuse I mean abuse, is no doubt the beretta 92,Taurus (copy of Beretta), Hi Power,1911 and star model 30

Glock does have the least amount of parts in a pistol, totally is 17 which is impressive.

[Woodie]

The Commander series 80 is my personal favorite too! Albeit in theory only as I was unfortunate to be born in '88 and therefore am part of the "gun-ban" generation here in the UK. Though I'm thinking of visiting either the IOM or Jersey at some point in the next few years. Though I'm not sure if there is any pistol-shooting available to visitors on Jersey (anyone have experience here?)

mr_colt.

P.S. To knowledgeable Colt shooters: Is there any benefit/difference in the Commander series 80 over the series 70 at all?

Just the extractors

[Jim McArthur]

Yes, I have fired cartridge pistols: .22, .38 Special, 9mm, .45. I like revolvers; don't like or trust automatics very much.

I prefer air pistols to cartridge, for pure shooting fun: little in the way of legal restriction, recoil, noise, penetration or cleaning, and you don't have to make a special trip somewhere to shoot them. :)

Jim

[gunslinger]

Colt 1911
Dan Wesson 44
Colt Python 357 6" stainless
Browning Hi Power 9mm
S&W 45 revolver used with full moon clips
.22 thingy with long rotary mag cant remember make
2x black powder revolvers

Plus numerous shotties including a 10 shot remmy with compensator and tactical grips.

Solid slug on ticket

Aah those were the days till the b*####**ds took them.
But still we are all a lot safer now,arent we:rolleyes:

[markH]

In the good old days I had a Colt .45 1911, Browning Hi Power, S&W mod 19, .357mag, S&W chief special (5 shot .38, 2" barrel), Tanfoglio D/A 9mm, Uberti "rolling block" (single shot 8" barrel) M1 carbine, Rossi lever action .357 and a few others.

I used to work for a company called Parker Hale who made sporting rifles and one day had a chance to test fire a .458 winchester magnum. It's the kind of thing they use to shoot elephant................ MAJOR KICK.

[markH]

My 1911 was bought 3rd hand and the original owner was a guy called Colin Moore who was in the UK practical pistol squad. I met him at a competition once and curiously he immediately recognised his old pistol, even though it was in my holster.

He said that he had fired 250,000 rounds thru it. I must have fired about 10,000 during the time before the ban. It was still accurate and I never once had a jam........... nicely run in.

[Woodie]

My 1911 was bought 3rd hand and the original owner was a guy called Colin Moore who was in the UK practical pistol squad. I met him at a competition once and curiously he immediately recognised his old pistol, even though it was in my holster.

He said that he had fired 250,000 rounds thru it. I must have fired about 10,000 during the time before the ban. It was still accurate and I never once had a jam........... nicely run in.

The 1911 and Hi Power are great pistols, the only downside to them is that you have to spend additional money on them to customise them. Hi power has mag safety,thats needs to be removed, you will need to changed sights to high profile, trigger pull and creep is awful, extended slide release and extended stafety. The same applies to 1911 except for mag safety.

[Woodie]

Yes, I have fired cartridge pistols: .22, .38 Special, 9mm, .45. I like revolvers; don't like or trust automatics very much.

I prefer air pistols to cartridge, for pure shooting fun: little in the way of legal restriction, recoil, noise, penetration or cleaning, and you don't have to make a special trip somewhere to shoot them. :)

Jim

Revolvers do jam, the difference between a pistol and revolver jamming is that you can clear the pistol, revolver not. Ever had a primer get pushed back from the shell with factory ammo? I have

[ChrisPer]

One of your compatriots, jeffk, moved to Australia a while back and two weekends ago lent me his new Glock 9mm for a blast. Whoooeee!

I have a couple of Gamo air pistols on a collectors license - I can't use them and its as hard to get them licensed as the 9mm. Also have a broomhandle, not allowed to use it either.

[Hemmers]

Though I'm thinking of visiting either the IOM or Jersey at some point in the next few years. Though I'm not sure if there is any pistol-shooting available to visitors on Jersey (anyone have experience here?)

mr_colt.


Can't speak for Jersey. I've shot pistol on my visits to the IoM. I go for the easter shooting open (although I compte in rifle), so it was a matter of having a blat at the end of the day when the pistol comps were over. They have club pistols, so if you shoot AP here, and want to go try your hand at live pistol, they'll lend you guns for the weekend.

[markH]

The 1911 and Hi Power are great pistols, the only downside to them is that you have to spend additional money on them to customise them. Hi power has mag safety,thats needs to be removed, you will need to changed sights to high profile, trigger pull and creep is awful, extended slide release and extended stafety. The same applies to 1911 except for mag safety.

The Browning mag safety is a 2 minute job to take out or put back. I used to use mine for service pistol so everything else had to be standard. I Had a beavertail grip safety on the 1911, and extended safety, slide release and mag button. All the extended bits were actually standard bits with extensions brazed on then filed down to suit.

A mate did the mag button first but it was too long....... dead easy to accidentally drop the mag in the middle of a string so I filed it down till I could just press it without changing my grip on the gun. I was so pleased with that I bought a little brazing kit and did my own safety and slide release.

A lot of the custom stuff for 45s was relatively easy. It was possible to open the mag well out with a file and emery paper and I spent hours with rag wrapped round a dowel polishing the feed ramp with cutting compound and eventually T cut.

The biggest expense for practical was magazines. John Longstaff used to import some cheapies but they weren't very good. The best were Devel mags, they wer standard length but somehow they managed to squeeze an extra round in them........ 8 for the price of 7.

[markH]

Revolvers do jam, the difference between a pistol and revolver jamming is that you can clear the pistol, revolver not. Ever had a primer get pushed back from the shell with factory ammo? I have

I'll tell you a funny story from my days at P.H. We were the S&W importers and I had a customer send a revolver back......... It was the .38 spl target masterpiece (Mod 17??? from memory)

He said it was absolutely useless. On his first visit to the range after buying the pistol, his first 7 shots had completely failed to hit the target. I returned it to him having knocked 7 wadcutters out of the barrel and suggested he try a bit more powder.

Incidentally the bore was perfect.

For the benefit of those who don't remember the "good old days" most pistol shooters used to re-load (re-manufacture) their own ammo, by casting lead bullets and re-using the cartridge cases. This guy had been trying to load a light target load but in fact it was too light and the bullet didn't leave the barrel. Obviously with the barrel blocked the next 6 didn't either.

[Woodie]

A lot of the custom stuff for 45s was relatively easy. It was possible to open the mag well out with a file and emery paper and I spent hours with rag wrapped round a dowel polishing the feed ramp with cutting compound and eventually T cut.

.

I agree, the mag well can save alot of time of the clock, 1/10 of a second which adds up quickly per mag change.Unlike compeititions, I always reload with the gun in my face so my head is never down like in ispc, even though it costs me time, I rather not do that in the street.

[Korium]

I hate the Glock, and its only time before they go bust imo. They only produce pistols and knives, some accesories, and mark my words,Glaston Glock will be sold in the near future. They have in fact just done a deal with the GNR (Police) and the PSP(the police who watches the police) to replace their p-38 to glock 17 which has a modified slide release.

the only thing I like about the glock, is the ergonomics. Watch Glock Torture by Magills, it doesn't like sand, a hole was dug 30 cm deep, glock put in and covered up with dry sand. It jamed over and over again.

http://magills.com/pgroup_descrip/5055_Torture+Test+for+your+Glock/?return=%3ftpl%3Dsearch%26search_val%3Dtorture

A gun you can abuse and abuse I mean abuse, is no doubt the beretta 92,Taurus (copy of Beretta), Hi Power,1911 and star model 30

Glock does have the least amount of parts in a pistol, totally is 17 which is impressive.

I'm no fan either really, the .45ACP models aren't exactly a comfortable fit in ones hand but if there's one thing Glocks are it's reliable.
There is a reason why they are so widely adopted and that is they do a good job. If the company went bust I'd be surprised, they aren't low on custom.

Glock knives are very poor BTW, do avoid them if possible.

[Woodie]

Glocks is like marmite, you either love them or hate them.I do think that glock will be bought out by someone or partnership formed to increase their range of products.Yes they are reliable, but need to be kept clean like most weopons.

[Woodie]

It is also interesting to note that Paul Castle cracked his glock slide performing CAR technique as well as many others.

[Jim McArthur]

Revolvers do jam, the difference between a pistol and revolver jamming is that you can clear the pistol, revolver not. Ever had a primer get pushed back from the shell with factory ammo? I have

Yes they do! I've had the cylinder of a lightweight .38 snubbie jam shut on me after firing a hot cartridge in it. I had to take it to a gunsmith, who told me that the pistol's weight was insufficient to absorb the recoil, causing the bullet to break its crimp in the cartridge casing and protrude forward, locking the cylinder.

I've also had a revolver cylinder refuse to rotate when I purposely went several hundred (dirty reload) rounds without cleaning it, just an an experiment.

But such extreme situations aside, revolvers are still a lot more reliable than autoloaders.

Jim

[Phil G]

But such extreme situations aside, revolvers are still a lot more reliable than autoloaders.

Jim

Too true and usually quicker to clear than auto's. With their broken extractors, dirty feed ramps and unreliable mags to mention a few. Good ol' wheel gun every time :D




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[Woodie]

[QUOTE
But such extreme situations aside, revolvers are still a lot more reliable than autoloaders.

Jim[/QUOTE]

Each for their own,but I would like to see someone beat Todd Jarret's 1000 round test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wL2QuFTLQ

Watch part 1, 2 and 3

[Phil G]

[QUOTE
But such extreme situations aside, revolvers are still a lot more reliable than autoloaders.

Jim

Each for their own,but I would like to see someone beat Todd Jarret's 1000 round test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wL2QuFTLQ

Watch part 1, 2 and 3[/QUOTE]



Great bit of YouTube. Just an observation though. Why did he run the mags dry? If he'd kept one up the barrel on the reload he might have trimmed those few seconds off to get a sub 10mins. And those reloaders:eek: slow old gits :D






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[Woodie]

To make sure the slide locked back on a empty mag, thats all. Todd is the King in ISPC. He was lazy though, as Blackhawk, now Para http://www.para-usa.com/new/why_jarrett.php
teaches you to not use the slide release though,but pull the slide back and let it run forward.

[Haggis]

I miss my Glock 23, I bought it in '91 and sold it in 2001. In the ten years it rode at my side it performed flawlessly. I've shot all kinds of pistol, colt, browning, star, astra, tokarev, FEG, CZ, Walther, beretta, taurus , SIG, ruger, S&W. the only handgun I would think of swapping the Glock with was the Steyr M (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg45-e.htm).
When you carry a pistol everyday and work as an electrician in the African heat it's got to be compact, powerful, reliable and accurate.

That said I once used a beretta model 71 in 22lr to get myself out of a sticky situation. As luck would have it my Glock was away having tritium beads installed...

[Woodie]

I miss my Glock 23, I bought it in '91 and sold it in 2001. In the ten years it rode at my side it performed flawlessly. I've shot all kinds of pistol, colt, browning, star, astra, tokarev, FEG, CZ, Walther, beretta, taurus , SIG, ruger, S&W. the only handgun I would think of swapping the Glock with was the Steyr M (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg45-e.htm).
When you carry a pistol everyday and work as an electrician in the African heat it's got to be compact, powerful, reliable and accurate.

That said I once used a beretta model 71 in 22lr to get myself out of a sticky situation. As luck would have it my Glock was away having tritium beads installed...

I thought you fell in love with the star model B:D Try CAR Tecnique with a glock (Centre Axis Relock), the glock cannot handle all the recoil and hence cracks

[Haggis]

No I learned stoppage drill with a star b, what do you do in CAR drill?

[Haggis]

OK found it, don't know why the glock would crack, we did all kinds of point shooting with no trouble.

[Woodie]

No I learned stoppage drill with a star b, what do you do in CAR drill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_Axis_Relock

[Korium]

the only handgun I would think of swapping the Glock with was the Steyr M (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg45-e.htm).

I hear very good reports about the .40S&W model from America; apparently they were built for the cartridge rather than 9mm.
The designer was originally part of Glock and they were built with the idea of being an improved model, but Glock would not produce.

Steyr are a universal favourite, trustworthy quality.

[Woodie]

OK found it, don't know why the glock would crack, we did all kinds of point shooting with no trouble.

It does, you remove all the recoil from the pistol so it receives all the recoil itself.

[Haggis]

It does, you remove all the recoil from the pistol so it receives all the recoil itself.

What calibre was he shooting?

[Haggis]

I hear very good reports about the .40S&W model from America; apparently they were built for the cartridge rather than 9mm.
The designer was originally part of Glock and they were built with the idea of being an improved model, but Glock would not produce.

Steyr are a universal favourite, trustworthy quality.

I heard that at the time, about it being made by ex glock employee. I only got my hands on the 9mm version but it shot very well. The ergonomics are even better than a glock, which impressed me the first time I shot it. The sights were weird at first but it pointed so well I would ignore them and just point shoot it, like I did with my 23 anyway.

[Woodie]

What calibre was he shooting?

9mm and .40

[Haggis]

9mm and .40

the .40 is kinda fickle anyway, the unsupported chamber and all that.

My old 23 was KB'd by the moron I sold it to. In the deal he got my lee reloading gear and whatever components I had left. I had about 200 180 grain lead rounds left over from my stupid adventure with a .40S&W Astra A70. He loaded those and fired them in the Glock :mad:

[Woodie]

the .40 is kinda fickle anyway, the unsupported chamber and all that.

My old 23 was KB'd by the moron I sold it to. In the deal he got my lee reloading gear and whatever components I had left. I had about 200 180 grain lead rounds left over from my stupid adventure with a .40S&W Astra A70. He loaded those and fired them in the Glock :mad:

Is your initials JD and you have a beard with a younger brother first name I.

[Haggis]

Nope, my first initial is I.

[Woodie]

Nope, my first initial is I.

same guns and occupation of a mate in SA

[Haggis]

Whereabouts did you live?

[Woodie]

Portugal

[Haggis]

Here in the Uk, I'd really like a bull barrel Ruger model II .22 pistol. Maybe one day the rules will change on .22 target pistols...

[Korium]

Here in the Uk, I'd really like a bull barrel Ruger model II .22 pistol. Maybe one day the rules will change on .22 target pistols...

The fully suppressed model is a fun toy but I think myself the Buckmark is of better construct. Buckmark LBPs are available here as quite a few were converted from the carbine model.

We may see single shot .22LRs back at most but I would be extremely surprised if it did come to pass. One of the top responses to athletes getting them on temporary license was ("it's a risk to public safety"), so I doubt us mere mortals would be allowed to handle one. We'll be lucky if the 2012 pistol comps aren't held behind bullet-proof glass with optional blindfolds and earplugs to protect more timid spectators from the fear and evil emanating from the unwieldy lumps of target pistols.

[Haggis]

Well maybe by 2012 we'll have a government that don't want to wrap us in cotton wool.

[Korium]

Well maybe by 2012 we'll have a government that don't want to wrap us in cotton wool.

David Cameron at any rate has stated he will not revoke the ban, and I would conjecture He will still be PM in 2012.

[1952paul0]

you will ever see the likes of pre 97 pistols ever again in this country, but hey it still seems they are on sale at a local near you.

[hwtyger]

FA handguns are legal here so I've shot many. From my fast recollection:
My own Taurus PT99 9mm. Very accurate for a 9mm!
CZ75
My own Browning HiPower; fits like a glove. Scares bowlingpins out to 25yrds:D!
Beretta 92 9mm
Glock 9mm don't like it, feels like tupperware..:D
Springfield 1911 .45 failure sensitive..
S&W revolver .38/.357
Ruger GP100 revolver
Colt King Cobra revolver (sensitive to cilinder timing problems)
CZ SP01 .40S&W very good shooter!
Baby browning, I believe 7.62 or 6.35
A S&W with long barrel and in weird calibre..can't recollect what it was..
Soon: Desert Eagle .44 magnum:D
And for .22:
FN Medaillist (very good shooter), Hi Standard Victor (great pistol but failure sensitive), S&W .22 revolver, Taurus .22 revolver, Browning Buckmark (reliable good shooters), my own Buckmark Varmint (10" barrel:D), Hammerli match (don't like lightweight and trigger)..
I like 9mm better than .45 but that's personal. The 9mm recoils faster, the .45 recoil more bút calmly. Nothing scary about .357 magnum either, doesn't recoil more than 9mm...38 is very easy to shoot.

My Tempest is the only airpistol than feels anything néar a .22 FA. Great little pistol, the Tempest!

[Jim McArthur]

You're right about the High Standard Victor, my father had one. A classic "jam-o-matic". :mad:

Jim

[Major-Colt]

Nothing like the bang of a .44 :D But airguns are a lot cheaper to shoot and you can do it in the garden/house! Still if i could would buy a double stack STi in a heart beat:)

[Paul55]

Heck, this is an old thread to drag up :eek:

[jefL]

Cough! Cough!
Crikey, who stirred up that dust cloud.
Cough, hack, cough!

[Jim McArthur]

Nothing like the bang of a .44 :D But airguns are a lot cheaper to shoot and you can do it in the garden/house! Still if i could would buy a double stack STi in a heart beat:)

Air pistols are more fun, cheaper to shoot, less of a hassle to own and shoot, much quieter. don't require ear protectors, no recoil...but I still enjoy the occasional go with a .22 rimfire or a centerfire pistol. ;)

Jim

[John_R]

To add to this ancient thread, I finally got round to trying some centrefire pistols. Turns out a US colleague's stepdad works in a gun shop, so he gave me free access to the range and loaned me a pair of guns and a few boxes of ammo.

I shot a Raven Arms .25 ACP http://jtjersey.com/Raven/raven.htm and also a Beretta Mod 92FS 9mm.

I had a great time! The Raven was a little small in the hand but shot well, and the Beretta felt very good. I didn't do too badly either, if we were allowed these over here I would have one... or two!

I hope to try a few more types in my travels next time

[Jim McArthur]

Glad you enjoyed shooting the little Raven! Never fired one, but I hear they were very reliable. Did yours function well?

.25 automatics used to be very popular in the US, although they were "frequently bought, but seldom shot." They're not so common today, since a lot of companies, like KelTec, are turning out double-action-only .32 and .380 automatics that are just a tad bigger and heavier than the old .25's.

Jim

[Garry]

I think we should have a UBC meet in Texas. :D

[John_R]

Yes, the Raven worked fine. Usually his wife/ my friends Mum has that gun, typical purse sized weapon that it is. Some web sites comment that gun had some poor reliability, perhaps the odd one or more turned out bad. They were very cheap even new.

I shot that first then moved "up" to the 9mm, but then went back and forth between the two guns as I found myself tuning in somewhat.

I had standard 6" diameter paper targets out to 30 feet, and kept the shots within the target right from the start, even got a few groups with holes touching after a while. However, although I did shoot out the bullseye a few times, the majority landed slightly low and left, which suggest too much trigger pressure.

So, my one and only session was hugely entertaining, and I want to go again!

[lightning22]

Pre-ban a Walther match pistol in .22lr, post-ban a Glock 17 9mm on the police range.

[Philcw]

I have shot a variety of pistols.
Also a zip-gun, not a good idea i must say!

[MikB]

In the 80s, I had a CZ75 9mm., a 1917 trench Luger, a Colt 1903 and Browning 1910 in .32 ACP, a Ruger Blackhawk .44 mag, and a worn, old but reliable Walther PP in .22 that could shoot a 93 on a good night. Of all of 'em, that last is the one I'd most like back.

Regards,
MikB

[Jim McArthur]

Pre-ban a Walther match pistol in .22lr, post-ban a Glock 17 9mm on the police range.

The ban helped you move up in firepower. :)

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

In the 80s, I had a CZ75 9mm., a 1917 trench Luger, a Colt 1903 and Browning 1910 in .32 ACP, a Ruger Blackhawk .44 mag, and a worn, old but reliable Walther PP in .22 that could shoot a 93 on a good night. Of all of 'em, that last is the one I'd most like back.

Regards,
MikB

Cheapest and most pleasant to shoot, too. ;)

Jim

[Adam77K]

They're not so common today, since a lot of companies, like KelTec, are turning out double-action-only .32 and .380 automatics that are just a tad bigger and heavier than the old .25's.

Jim

Hi Jim. Just curious; why have an auto that's double action only? If the energy is there to cock the hammer, why waste it?

[harry mac]

The very mention of the words, "handgun ban" brings a sour taste to my mouth. Before that I had a budding collection of pistols
1916 dated Erfurt Luger with holster
Mauser C96 "Red 9" with matching stock/holster
Beretta M1934 with original service holster
Dan Wesson .357 Mag "pistol pack" with 4 barrels in fitted attache case
Cheapo Zastava 7.65mm (.32 ACP) auto
Pre-war Browning Hi Power
So I lost a small number of firearms with which I could be lethal at 25 yards, and possibly dangerous out to 100 yards (given average skill), and am now allowed to own a collection of rifles with which I can be lethal out to 4-500 yards and dangerous with at over a mile (again, assuming average skill). To use either type of firearm in a crime is equally as easy and in both cases requires criminal intent on the part of the user. So how has removing my pistols and giving me a couple of grand of tax payer's money to replace them made the world a safer place?:mad:

[Jim McArthur]

Hi Jim. Just curious; why have an auto that's double action only? If the energy is there to cock the hammer, why waste it?

Good point, Adam! But it all depends on why you want the automatic. For target shooting, you'd want the conventional type of automatic that doesn't require you to expend so much energy with a long trigger pull that makes your shot less accurate (opposing muscle strength pulling the sights off target)

But a little .25 makes a poor choice for target shooting (grip too small, gun too light, miniscule or non-existent sights, expensive and hard to find cartridge, too short a sight radius, etc.). These are normally slipped in a pocket or purse and carried for protection, in situations where a more effective gun is too big.

There is something decidedly disconcerting about carrying a pistol in your pocket, hammer cocked, round chambered, and you depending on a safety for your safety! :eek:

Also, if you need to draw and fire quickly, you may forget to release the safety, or not do so correctly.

For all these reasons, a double-action-only .25 (or a similarly-sized .32 or .380), without a safety, is a much better choice: to make it fire, you need that long, revolver-style trigger pull, and you don't have to worry about monkeying with a safety.

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

The very mention of the words, "handgun ban" brings a sour taste to my mouth. Before that I had a budding collection of pistols
1916 dated Erfurt Luger with holster
Mauser C96 "Red 9" with matching stock/holster
Beretta M1934 with original service holster
Dan Wesson .357 Mag "pistol pack" with 4 barrels in fitted attache case
Cheapo Zastava 7.65mm (.32 ACP) auto
Pre-war Browning Hi Power
So I lost a small number of firearms with which I could be lethal at 25 yards, and possibly dangerous out to 100 yards (given average skill), and am now allowed to own a collection of rifles with which I can be lethal out to 4-500 yards and dangerous with at over a mile (again, assuming average skill). To use either type of firearm in a crime is equally as easy and in both cases requires criminal intent on the part of the user. So how has removing my pistols and giving me a couple of grand of tax payer's money to replace them made the world a safer place?:mad:

Sure doesn't make sense, Harry. :mad:

Also, the UK regulates a 3-shot (1 in chamber) 12 bore less stringently than a single-shot air rifle that produces more than 12 foot pounds of muzzle energy: which is about 1/5 the power of a puny .22 Short!

Even crazier: your antique muzzleloader law. In the UK, you could buy a still-deadly antique .44 percussion revolver with no restrictions. You can keep it for years with no restrictions. But if you decide you want to shoot it, you now need a FAC and a gun safe!

It's as crazy in the US. I could buy a .30-06 autoloading Garand rifle, or a high capacity 9mm pistol, with much less legal hassle than I could a single-shot .410 shotgun with a 17 7/8 inch barrel, or a single-shot .22 rifle with a 15 7/8 inch barrel.

Jim

[SilentKill]

If we could have just persuaded all those PEOPLE who own illegal firearms to get a FAC we would be ok!

Ive never understood the Ban, and never will, especially since we can still shoot and do, LBP, and even .22 Buckmarks now!

[Adam77K]

Yep I can see the logic there Jim, but what about subsequent shots - are they all double action too? You could keep it hammer down in a purse but why should it not self-cock after first shot?

[Jim McArthur]

Yep I can see the logic there Jim, but what about subsequent shots - are they all double action too? You could keep it hammer down in a purse but why should it not self-cock after first shot?

There ARE automatics like that - double action for the first shot, single thereafter (going back to the early Walthers), but I don't know if any are available in vest pocket pistols.

In any case: people who truly like automatics tend to like the ones like the old Colt Government model or Browning M35 or Luger or Colt .25: those that are single action throughout.

People (like me!) who truly despise them would rather have a double-action-only, since they're more like a revolver.

Personally, I hate automatic pistols! Other than a sturdy .45 for a soldier, a puny one for the pocket (I'd still prefer a derringer or a mini-revolver), or one for the target range: I see no use for them.

If they're not jamming on feeding, they're jamming on ejection.

If they're not jamming because you didn't grip them tight enough, they're jamming because you didn't oil them enough, or a speck of dirt got on the slide, or the ammo's not powerful enough, or the bullet is the wrong shape.

They mutilate empty cases, kick them out into the next shooter's face at the range, or into a pile of cow manure or a thorn bush in the field.

For a pocket, give me a derringer or a mini-revolver. For a concealment holster, give me a snubbie revolver. For open carry, give me a service revolver or a big .22 revolver.

Revolvers are better for hunting, police work, and personal protection. You can load anything in the chamber and it will still function. They're better if you reload (see my comments above about empty cases). They're safer, more reliable, better for a beginner...just better all around! ;)

Jim

[Powderfinger]

In the good old days, my dad had a great collection: Webleys, Smiths, Berettas, Walthers, Brownings, more Smiths, more Brownings...plus we fired all different types down at our club. More expensive than airguns but I enjoyed them much more, lots of flash, bang and smoke plus those beautiful mechanisms to tune. Our wonderful .38 special handloads won us the club championship two years running. I always liked revolvers best. They are so elegant. A wonderful product. Sadly most of the above have now probably been melted down (or sold abroad if the rumours are true) and are we any safer....no.

[Adam77K]

Don't sit on the fence Jim, tell us what you really think! :)

[Jim McArthur]

Don't sit on the fence Jim, tell us what you really think! :)

Hey, I don't dance around if I feel strongly about something! ;)

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

In the good old days, my dad had a great collection: Webleys, Smiths, Berettas, Walthers, Brownings, more Smiths, more Brownings...plus we fired all different types down at our club. More expensive than airguns but I enjoyed them much more, lots of flash, bang and smoke plus those beautiful mechanisms to tune. Our wonderful .38 special handloads won us the club championship two years running. I always liked revolvers best. They are so elegant. A wonderful product. Sadly most of the above have now probably been melted down (or sold abroad if the rumours are true) and are we any safer....no.

No: in fact, handgun crime has quadrupled since the ban. :mad:

Jim

[Gun Collector]

Currently shoot a Pedersolli Remmington 44 blackpowder which surprisingly, I find quite a relaxing way to pass some range time. Bought a Pietta version immediately following "The Ban" but it was a complete crock and didn't last very long!

Back in the good ol' days, I cut my teeth on a Bull Barrel Ruger .22. Hated every bit of it and couldn't wait to buy my own. First and only .22 was a S&W Mod 41. Never felt the need to change. Fitting a Bowler grip took it to a new level and it would regularly outshoot the best of the "Euroguns". Also dabbled with the wifes old High Standard Olympic but it was a pain to get to feed consistantly. That got part-ex'ed for a Wather GSP, but I still preferred my S&W.

My first centrefire was a Taurus 66 .357Mag. bought mainly cause it was cheap and I'm a tight Scots git :) It was part-ex'ed for the ubiquetous S&W 586 and that now happily resides with a new found friend in the States, so the handgun ban did have an unexpected silver lining for me (up yours Blair!). The wifes S&W 19 also ended up over there with a new owner who has also become a friend (so up yours again Blair!). I still have my S&W 29 .44Mag albeit deactivated, and the wife still has her Nazi issue Walther PPK in similar condition. That one particularly gets my blood boiling. Here is gun with a bit of history and no doubt a few tales to tell and THEY wanted it demonised and scrapped! I wonder how many other historical artifacts have been destroyed at the whim of the anti gun crowd?

I had a bit of a chequered experience with semi's. My first was a Bernardelli P18? in 9mm. A huge hulk of a gun with an 18+1 capacity. Not a very practical design but it was quite reliable... until it went full auto on me one day and near took out the ranges CCTV system! That swiftly made way for a Tanfoglio Ultra IPSC commemorative in 9mm and .41AE. It also went Stateside along with the revolvers to Rich Davis of Second Chance fame but I dont know what became of it. Also had an ancient Star Mod B which was so clapped out it was an absolute bargain to get money for it from the government (so up yours again Tony :D)

[Jim McArthur]

Currently shoot a Pedersolli Remmington 44 blackpowder which surprisingly, I find quite a relaxing way to pass some range time. Bought a Pietta version immediately following "The Ban" but it was a complete crock and didn't last very long!

Back in the good ol' days, I cut my teeth on a Bull Barrel Ruger .22. Hated every bit of it and couldn't wait to buy my own. First and only .22 was a S&W Mod 41. Never felt the need to change. Fitting a a Bowler grip took it to a new level and it would regularly outshoot the best of the "Euroguns". Also dabbled with the wifes old High Standard Olympic but it was a pain to get to feed consistantly. That got part-ex'ed for a Wather GSP, but I still preferred my S&W.

My first centrefire was a Taurus 66 .357Mag. bought mainly cause it was cheap and I'm a tight Scots git:D. It was part-ex'ed for the ubiquetous S&W 586 and that now happily resides with a new found friend in the States, so the handgun ban did have an unexpected silver lining for me (up yours Blair!). The wifes S&W 19 also ended up over there with a new owner who has also become a friend (so up yours again Blair!). I still have my S&W 29 .44Mag albeit deactivated, and the wife still has her Nazi issue Walther PPK in similar condition. That one particularly gets my blood boiling. Here is gun with a bit of history and no doubt a few tales to tell and THEY wanted it demonised and scrapped! I wonder how many other historical artifacts have been destroyed at the whim of the anti gun crowd?

I had a bit of a chequered experience with semi's. My first was a Bernardelli P18? in 9mm. A huge hulk of a gun with an 18+1 capacity. Not a very practical design but it was quite reliable... until it went full auto on me one day and near took out the ranges CCTV system! That swiftly made way for a Tanfoglio Ultra IPSC commemorative in 9mm and .41AE. It also went Stateside along with the revolvers to Rich Davis of Second Chance fame but I dont know what became of it. Also had an ancient Star Mod B which was so clapped out it was an absolute bargain to get money for it from the government (so up yours again Tony :D)

Interesting if bittersweet memories, GC. :( I suspect there's a piece or two of mine that I'd keep, as deactivated, rather than turn in, if we ever had a pistol confiscation here.

Few guns are registered in the US, so that would make life much tougher on the confiscators! :p

That must have been quite an experience when the Bernardelli turned into a machine pistol on you! :eek: And you can add THAT to my list of objections to autoloading pistols. :)

Jim

[Gun Collector]

Interesting if bittersweet memories, GC. :( I suspect there's a piece or two of mine that I'd keep, as deactivated, rather than turn in, if we ever had a pistol confiscation here.

Few guns are registered in the US, so that would make life much tougher on the confiscators! :p

That must have been quite an experience when the Bernardelli turned into a machine pistol on you! :eek: And you can add THAT to my list of objections to autoloading pistols. :)

Jim

You bet it was an experience!!! The event didn't shock me as much as the realisation of how close one of the rounds had come to taking out the camera though!

Ownership wise, I hope the day never comes for you guys but I know things ain't necessarily as free as we may think depending on which state you reside. The guy who now owns my 586 worked in a profession which allowed you to legally own pistols in Chicago ;) . When he retired, he would have had to surrender them all (he has a somewhat large accumulation :D ), so he upped sticks and retired to Nevada where it appears they have a slightly more positive outlook on gun ownership.

[Jim McArthur]

Chicago! I used to live there: hell on earth for gun owners. When I lived there in the late 80's - early 90's the last place in the city where a civilain could legally shoot a gun (a skeet club) closed. Rifles and shotguns had to be registered. Pistols had to be registered: except that they COULDN'T be registered if they weren't already registered as of a certain past date.

Illinois is one of only about 3 states that ban concealed carry, with no provision for a permit.

When I lived in Chicago, my guns simply stayed packed up till I moved away from Chicago! :p

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

Nevada? I lived there also! Las Vegas, in the mid to late '70's. Clark County (Las Vegas) required pistol registration. Otherwise, I don't recall any gun laws, other than federal. You were allowed to carry a pistol openly: though I don't recommend it! Concealed carry permits were available but you needed to show cause (I believe they're a "shall issue" state today).

That's when I really got interested in guns, living there. I still own a revolver that I acquired then in a swap from a friend: fond memories! :)

Jim

[Arnold Layne]

pre ban, i use to have a Mod 17 6inch barrel in .22 and a Mod 686 in .38/.357 which were smithed to be the same weight, trigger pull, sight picture etc, for practical pistol comps, and in door practice with the .22. I also had a Mod 66 2 1/2 inch snubby in .357

All great fun to use, but the snubby was probably the most enjoyable, particularly with my hand loaded 357 rounds. I use to load differently to suit the barrel lengths, so the rounds for the 686 gave a very satisfying muzzle flash in the snubby :D

only just picked up a pistol again, a hw75 which is enjoyable but well just not the same .... but a step back to my shooting roots as i started out shooting air pistol comps,

[Jim McArthur]

Sounds as though you've come full circle, Arnold! That HW 75 is a great SSP, and I welcome you to our UBC matches, if you want to get involved in some no-hassle, no-expense, friendly competition.

I used to own a 2 1/2 Model 66: swapped it for a Uberti Cattleman .45 Colt, back when I was doing cowboy action shooting.

I was always content to shoot .38's from it, though! :D

Cheers!

Jim

[Nikkormat]

I managed to fit in three months of pistol shooting before the ban. I used to bunk off college on a Wednesday afternoon and head straight to the club. I started off with a .22 Colt Diamondback revolver, then a Ruger MkII semi auto, tried a Browning High Power (50 rounds and probably hit the target with 20, no reflection on the pistol, it was fine, the shooter was incapable) then a .38 Ruger GP 100 which I loved and could shoot fairly well.

I'm hoping to visit a friend in the Czech Republic in summer, and if I do I'm going to try to get a day at a range.

[malakiblunt]

I fired a 6.35mm berreta* once i rember it gently listing up my hand with the recoil, and i kept trying to reload it after each shot as i was so used to single shot airguns!

cheers

*007 orignal pistol from the books untill M made him swap it for the ppk saying it was a ladys gun

[Jim McArthur]

I fired a 6.35mm berreta* once i rember it gently listing up my hand with the recoil, and i kept trying to reload it after each shot as i was so used to single shot airguns!

cheers

*007 orignal pistol from the books untill M made him swap it for the ppk saying it was a ladys gun

If you got hold of a malfunctioning Beretta, it WOULD be a single shot! As I recall, the pistol didn't have a slide, so you would have had to pop it open, remove the round in the chamber, and manually reload the chamber.

Jim

[malakiblunt]

Hi Jim you may be right i just googled berettas and the 418 doesn't look like what i remember firing!, it was definitely a beretta though! and semi auto with a conventional slide.
it was a Xmas treat for the airrifle club i was in. you could chose between a S&W revolver .38 i think a colt 45 acp (i was going to choose that one till i saw the face of the lad before me who shot it! i was only 14 at the time) or the beratta

philip

[Jim McArthur]

I won't swear to it, but I think the version that (I think :) ) I have in mind was called the Jetfire, and was a .25 ACP.

I believe there was also a .22 Short variation (if you can believe it!) called the Minx.

Jim

[pablowatercolor]

Ah those were the days....

I used to own a 1911 A1 .45ACP and a 9mm Browning Hi Power in the 80s. I shot practical pistol at Bisley, Delta Firearms near Ipswich and Shoreham in Kent. Sold all my guns after after Hungerford - my kids had recently been born and I didn't want guns in the house.

There is absolutely NO comparison with the CO2 clones. I have bought several (including the 1911 A1) trying to recapture that experience doing Iron Plate and have been bitterly disappointed on every occasion. They bear no relation to the firearms other than by appearance.

Worse still are the Airsoft 'blowback' pistols which are made from plastic or pot metal and are no more than a toy.

[Jim McArthur]

There is absolutely NO comparison with the CO2 clones.

Have you bought any 9mm or .45 ACP ammo lately? :D

Jim

[magicniner]

They bear no relation to the firearms other than by appearance.

That is a fair point but they aren't supposed to (and can't) replicate the gun handling experience.
When it all comes together what you do get is a group of like minded individuals who know how to have fun and a serious competition at the same time, that's what works for me.
I still rent a 1911 and one other at a range for a half day every time I visit the USA and get through four or five boxes of shells, but that's a whole other solitary thing :cool:
Regards,
Nick

[pablowatercolor]

Have you bought any 9mm or .45 ACP ammo lately? :D

Jim

Kids grown up and gone so tarted to shoot rifle now which is still legal in the UK. Still miss the days of pistol shooting - perhaps I'll have to come over there. An old shooting acquaintance of mine won a green card in the lottery and now runs a combat pistol school in Arizona. Our Guru was Massad Ayoob.

[Jim McArthur]

An old shooting acquaintance of mine won a green card in the lottery and now runs a combat pistol school in Arizona.

Gun Site, by any chance?

Jim

[pablowatercolor]

SAS Training Inc. - Scottsdale Arizona

[Jim McArthur]

SAS Training Inc. - Scottsdale Arizona

Yes, I've heard of them. :)

Jim

[Phil G]

Kids grown up and gone so tarted to shoot rifle now which is still legal in the UK. Still miss the days of pistol shooting - perhaps I'll have to come over there. An old shooting acquaintance of mine won a green card in the lottery and now runs a combat pistol school in Arizona. Our Guru was Massad Ayoob.



Tony Walker? I remember him from way back.

Phil:D

[pablowatercolor]

That's him. Used to shoot with him and his wife at the Bromley Home Guard Rifle and Pistol Club in the 80's. He's now writing books - you can check them out on the web.