New Umarex colt!

[sheene]

Take a look, I think these may be blowback action-look at the extreme too when you have a minute. I think they're rather tasty!

>>>Link<<< (http://www.umarex.com/index.php?id=products&L=en&haupt_id=1&unter_id=1&variante_id=5.8096&cHash=b85fb8dee8)

[Phantom Sniper]

Droooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllll, sluuuuurrrrrrrp, slavvvvvaaaaaa.
(best Homer Simpson voice) Coalt, must save up, must save up DOH! Im out of work at the moment:p

Very nice, roll on a new job!

[sheene]

Good luck with the job hunting;)

[Skan Man.]

will have to have one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wait till scoza and cookie see this one:D:D:D

dai:):)

[Jim McArthur]

It's a beauty! ;)

Jim

[Snooper601]

Metal BBs only though:(

Smooth bore and inaccurate:rolleyes:

Cheers

John

[Jim McArthur]

Metal BBs only though:(

Smooth bore and inaccurate:rolleyes:

Cheers

John

In that case: forget it! There are too many nice, accurate, rifled pellet guns out there, to be wasting money on BB guns. :mad:

Jim

[Phantom Sniper]

In that case: forget it! There are too many nice, accurate, rifled pellet guns out there, to be wasting money on BB guns. :mad:

Jim
Im thinking of the ornamentle value. Would look Soooo nice in the lounge:D unless theres an identical pellet firing version (will be somewhere).

Still drooling though:p
Tony

[jtw000]

That looks like what it is, another cheaply made, zinc bb gun. Look at the chipping on the receiver, the moulding on the hammer and the philips screw at the back of the slide. Nasty.

[sheene]

Well if you can't by the real thing need to make do with what you can get :D
Anyway, did a quick search and found that these are being sold in Germany for less than the 1911 with the rotary mag type. They're 2/3rds of the price so I expect quality will be down. May buy a rotary mag type and have it polished, then chromed put ivory handgrips with 18ct gold logos in them. Would look nice but for a gun that struggles to group 8 pellets in an inch at 6 yard or punch holes in cans??:rolleyes: Maybe overkill, just love 1911s though! :D

[scoza]

hhhhmmmm, thats a sweet looker for a bb gun!!!! mmmmmmm :)

[vfrkid]

Is it avalable in the UK yet?

[sheene]

Don't know but you can bet your ass it'll be more expensive here than in europe. I've sent Umarex an email on price and shipping. Don't know if they ship direct but I'll post when I know.

Cheers

[cookie]

will have to have one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wait till scoza and cookie see this one:D:D:D

dai:):)

Oh my god, want one, must have one, ok here goes, Wife and two kids for sale, wife serviced regularly, needs to warm up slowly in the morning but then good all day, kid's low mileage though one does have a problem with it's management system. Will not split and no trial runs. Cash offer's only will not swap for another wife and kid's.

Jason:cool:

[animal17]

I have just collected the air pistol version
I will let you see it later if you are all good

[PHOBUS]

That is a great looking pistol and being a .45 fan I would definately buy one .

The notches in the slide would seem to suggest that the slide moves - I really hope so even if its not a blowback model .

The position indicates only a little rearwards movement - nothing like a real .45 - but being able to lock back the slide for safety purposes etc would be a bonus for me .

I also like the safety catch on this model - very well positoned and practical.

All told - this .45 looks a winner . Want one .:D

Carl.

[jtw000]

It's difficult to get excited about a toy. I hate the C02 "pistols" that try not very hard to emulate real guns. I used to shoot real guns and these are no substitute, that thing is a weak copy (and i used to shoot 1911A1s.). Make the best of what you have, don't buy toys that play to ignorance.

[Jim McArthur]

Oh my god, want one, must have one, ok here goes, Wife and two kids for sale, wife serviced regularly, needs to warm up slowly in the morning but then good all day, kid's low mileage though one does have a problem with it's management system. Will not split and no trial runs. Cash offer's only will not swap for another wife and kid's.

Jason:cool:

Post pics! :D

Jim

[Firestorm]

It's difficult to get excited about a toy. I hate the C02 "pistols" that try not very hard to emulate real guns. .

Oh no.......:eek: We've got another Andy_J on board...:D:D
When he comes back from his ban you should sign up to his R.A.P.E. club;)

Russ

[jtw000]

If 2 people have the same opinion then one of them is no longer necessary. These toys are a waste of money and I've had them all, hoping they were the next best thing after I lost my guns. They're not even a poor substitute. Airsoft prove that toy guns can be built to a decent standard but these, potentially more dangerous are built appallingly.

[animal17]

If 2 people have the same opinion then one of them is no longer necessary. These toys are a waste of money and I've had them all, hoping they were the next best thing after I lost my guns. They're not even a poor substitute. Airsoft prove that toy guns can be built to a decent standard but these, potentially more dangerous are built appallingly.

Obviously still bitter about losing your pistols. You are entitled to your opinion but these guns have a place

[MikeB]

It's difficult to get excited about a toy. So don't.:rolleyes:


I hate the C02 "pistols" that try not very hard to emulate real guns.

Then I'd suggest that you may possibly have stumbled into the wrong section. You'll find the exit towards the top left of your screen


These toys are a waste of money and I've had them all, hoping they were the next best thing after I lost my guns.

There's at least 35 members of the UBC who would disagree with your "opinion" - for that is all it is.

I smell troll.

[Phantom Sniper]

It's difficult to get excited about a toy. I hate the C02 "pistols" that try not very hard to emulate real guns. I used to shoot real guns and these are no substitute, that thing is a weak copy (and i used to shoot 1911A1s.). Make the best of what you have, don't buy toys that play to ignorance.
We do make the best of what we've got.
Until our government comes to its senses and give us our guns back, we have to make do with Co2! but having said that, I "ENJOY" my Co2's although they dont have the loud bang and the recoil of "REAL" firearms, I love em, and I have no hesitation in allowing my little girl to use them as well.
If you dont like them, then take a hike and find another BBS thread more suitable to your particular taste.

Tony

[Jim McArthur]

Tony's right!

1) you make do with what you have available to you.

2) nobody said that these CO2 real-gun-lookalikes are supposed to be on a par with the real thing: however,

(a) see 1) above! :D

(b) everything in life fills its own niche.

Even people who own cartridge pistols can still own, enjoy, and see the advantages of these CO2 lookalikes. They're safer, quieter, subject to less restriction, more pleasant to fire, and can serve as a convenient and inexpensive fun or practice pistol: not only as a substitute for, but also as a trainer for, a cartridge pistol.


They have their place. You just have to understand that that place isn't exactly the same one as a cartridge pistol.

Jim

[Phantom Sniper]

I have just collected the air pistol version
I will let you see it later if you are all good

Were all always good (well mostly):rolleyes:
Come on get the details up and a piccy.
Why are we waiting, oh why are we waiting (best catawailing voice:D)

Damn it gonna rain now and I wont get no practice for the pistol shoot comp!:(

[Phantom Sniper]

Tony's right!

1) you make do with what you have available to you.

2) nobody said that these CO2 real-gun-lookalikes are supposed to be on a par with the real thing: however,

(a) see 1) above! :D

(b) everything in life fills its own niche.

Even people who own cartridge pistols can still own, enjoy, and see the advantages of these CO2 lookalikes. They're safer, quieter, subject to less restriction, more pleasant to fire, and can serve as a convenient and inexpensive fun or practice pistol: not only as a substitute for, but also as a trainer for, a cartridge pistol.


They have their place. You just have to understand that that place isn't exactly the same one as a cartridge pistol.

Jim

Here here, and to quote Admiral Adama (BSG) "So say we all!"

[jtw000]

Yes it is my opinion based on the evidence to hand. I don't know what a troll is but I know what you are. Of course, that's just my opinion too.

[MikeB]

I don't know what a troll is but I know what you are. Of course, that's just my opinion too.

You don't know what I am: you just think you know. Once again, it's your opinion, which from what I've seen thus far has been demonstrably erroneous.

FYI: a troll is someone who seeks to cause disharmony and uproar by the deliberate posting of controversial statements designed to provoke.

A bit like posting that all Umarex CO2 guns are crap on a thread about Umarex CO2 guns, really. :rolleyes:

[jtw000]

Seems my previous comments are spot on then! :rolleyes: My comments and opinions are perfectly valid to this conversation, I am sorry you don't like it when someone disagrees with you. My full take on this pistol is that it is a waste of time. The older guns had at least the virtue of being better made than most and to now fit the tube mag with the C02 is a step towards a decrease in quality. In fact there are several new guns, a Tangfolio replica and a Sig which appear to use the same mag system and i think this is going to be another. The quality is poor throughout the entire range of affordable multi-shot C02 pistols. You may be happy with that, I am not. I'm not out to cause trouble and I fail to see why a different opinion to yours should present any. I didn't make any personal comments, i just dislike that gun.
I am bitter that I can no longer shoot my weapons of choice. You all should be too. You may not have lost your pistols but you lost your choice and more than that along with it. Your ownership rights are sliding away all the time and soon you'll lose the right to own what you play with now. It is coming and it will happen. That's why I'm bitter.

[eredel]

I moved away from the Umarex type pistols as I enjoy the PCPs' but I still have a S&W for the fun factor...nothing better for stress relief!..:D
No..they're not a substitute for a "proper" pistol but take them for what they are...a fun replacement which can give hours of pleasure to all shooting addicts. They don't need to be the quality required for a "proper" pistol but I think the quality is perfectly adequate for the job in hand....:cool:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but should respect the other persons right to enjoy their hobby with the equipment they can afford...by all means give us your thoughts but then back off and stop flogging the proverbial!!!!...;)
Eric.

[jtw000]

I have one (not a pretend real gun) and use it for knocking things over but don't ask me to get excited about a clearly inferior thing and don't get the arsehole with me for not agreeing with you.

[eredel]

I have one (not a pretend real gun) and use it for knocking things over but don't ask me to get excited about a clearly inferior thing and don't get the arsehole with me for not agreeing with you.

I'm sorry....I won't carry on a discussion with someone who just resorts to abusive language when not agreed with...please go and pester people who use catapults with sub-standard elastic or whatever else you disagree with and leave us to our hobby which we still enjoy even when the likes of yourself pops up who dislikes the current available pistols and yet posts on a thread about the aforesaid...:rolleyes:
As Mike says...TROLL!!!

[MikeB]

I'm not out to cause trouble

I'm glad to hear it.


and I fail to see why a different opinion to yours should present any.

It doesn't. It was the disparaging manner and condescending tone you took which caused the problem; each to his own, and all that.


I didn't make any personal comments, i just dislike that gun.

Oh, but you did. You called into question our motives for owning such inferior rubbish; I, and it seems other Umarex owners, took great exception to that.


I am bitter that I can no longer shoot my weapons of choice.

It shows. :rolleyes:


You all should be too.

We are. But we're getting on with things instead of revelling in our own self-pity and - and here's the point you're missing by a country mile - we're actually enjoying it.

I've got powder-burners and I love 'em; but I also love the sweet simplicity of stepping out onto my patio on a whim, no travelling, no packing bags and guns in the car, no worrying about what the weather will do and therefore what to wear, and just enjoying a bit of basic, uncomplicated shooting.


You may not have lost your pistols but you lost your choice and more than that along with it. Your ownership rights are sliding away all the time and soon you'll lose the right to own what you play with now. It is coming and it will happen. That's why I'm bitter.

A perfectly understandable sentiment, and one I've no doubt that most of us share. But here's the thing: you can allow yourself to be consumed by bitterness, or you can carry on enjoying yourself within the law as it stands; hell, you can even get all evangelical on the government's ass and actively campaign for the return of cartridge pistols, for all the good it will do with the current shower. But at least you'd be doing something.

So what exactly are you doing about this grave injustice, this draconian and disproportionate curtailment of our lawful activities?

Apart from whingeing about it on an internet forum?

[jtw000]

I have not used abusive language and I don't ask any of you to continue a conversation with me. I actually believe you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided.
Mike, you don't know me, or apparently much of anything else and yet you are the one jumping to all the conclusions, typically. The point of an internet forum (or any conversational medium) is a varied interaction of viewpoints. I couldn't care less what any of you think and wonder why you care so much about what I think.
I am not particularly bitter in the way you "think". I simply progressed my interest to something else, in my case motorbikes because that is far more logical for me. I appreciate quality and functionality, in bikes, airguns and people. That is why I don't care what most people think.

[eredel]

I have not used abusive language and I don't ask any of you to continue a conversation with me. I actually believe you are entitled to your opinion, however misguided.
Mike, you don't know me, or apparently much of anything else and yet you are the one jumping to all the conclusions, typically. The point of an internet forum (or any conversational medium) is a varied interaction of viewpoints. I couldn't care less what any of you think and wonder why you care so much about what I think.
I am not particularly bitter in the way you "think". I simply progressed my interest to something else, in my case motorbikes because that is far more logical for me. I appreciate quality and functionality, in bikes, airguns and people. That is why I don't care what most people think.

I call the word "a***hole abusive language!
If you've progressed on to motorbikes please feel free to find a suitable motor biking forum....:)
Eric.

[jtw000]

If you think that's offensive then you've been incredibly fortunate. I thought you were out of this chat... or have you been drinking heavily?

[eredel]

If you think that's offensive then you've been incredibly fortunate. I thought you were out of this chat... or have you been drinking heavily?

I wish!!!....I'm now out of this chat as I'm up in the morning to work for a living...please place a chip on your other shoulder so you can become a well-balanced chappie....;)
Eric.

[jtw000]

...But that's sunday. Not a christian, huh? Can you be trusted with an airgun then?

[PHOBUS]

There have been a few cheap and not so nice CO2 pistols come in recently - I notice airshooter , for one stocks them in their budget CO2 range .

Here is a pic of the Beretta 84 copy which has no moving parts to speak of - hammer / slide / etc but still all metal and not bad as a copy .

This new Colt copy looks to me to be more detailed - plus I would not imagine Colt allowing a cheap and nasty copy to carry their trademarks . :confused: I like the grips with the prancing pony emblem . The little screw at the back of the slide worries me a little .

Whats that for ?

Heres hoping this replica is a good one and can shoot a bit !!

Carl.:D

[jtw000]

I think Colt have pulled out of pistols altogether. Very sad, the 1911 is one of the most iconic pistols ever made. They headed up a movement for electronic safety a few years back which law enforcement rejected, perhaps that took the wind out of their sails.
There are still plenty of 1911a1 copies out there, (most of them better than Colts if the truth be known).

[Gun Collector]

It's been a long... long time since I last logged in to the forum, but this thread caught my attention whilst having a bit of a lurk and I just had to drop in.

jtw000. I know where you are coming from mate and FWIW I agree with a lot of what you have to say.

I also hear what the other forumers have had to say in response and their points are perfectly valid also. I guess it's horses for courses.

Shooting is a broad church. One mans meat... is another mans poison. We just have to accept that without getting all hot about it. I've been around the sport for more years than I care to remember nowadays, and it has always been so. When we had S.1 pistols it always was rifles v pistols... certainly around these parts. Pistol shooters were always seen as "cowboys" by the rifle brigade. Whilst rifle shooters were always seen as being a bit "anal" by pistol shots. Can't we all just get along?

For me, it has always been a case of "if it has a trigger, a barrel, and it's purpose is to shoot a projectile... then it is a gun and I'll give it a bash" regardless of the envelope it is designed to work within. But that is the aspect we often seem to forget when arguing over the merits of our chosen playthings... the performance envelope they are designed to operate in.

I have had the good fortune to be able to use a wide range of shooting utensils over the years. From the lowliest BB gun to some of the highest powered powder burners. A broad spread of gunnery that, I guess, many of the forum users here will now never be able to appreciate in a hands on sense.

Given my shooting background, I'll be the first to agree that from a "hands on" point of view, the new "Colt" currently under discussion here, probably is a crock of smelly stuff in comparison to the item it's meant to replicate. But then again, performance wise, it never was meant to be in the same league. From the pics posted, it certainly has the looks to impress those among us who have no access, or more probably, never had the opportunity of access, to the "real McCoy", and who desire to own a piece which looks like a true firearm. No harm in that in my book.

Engineering wise, like Umarex's other guns, it'll do what it does relatively well - it will make holes in paper and maybe knock over the odd tin can. How long it will continue to do that, like every other airgun, will come down to design and build quality. I own many of Umarex's range and they all have their quirks performance wise, I expect these will be no different. Nice to look at, fun to use. But they will break down eventually. You gets what you pays for. Then again, I've owned a few powder burners that done that as well ;)

You know the funny thing. I've always been a pistol shot first and foremost. My first pistol, and introduction to shooting, was a BSA Scorpion. I soon moved on to S.1. When I lost my collection of S.1's, I sought solace in a Umarex 88. At that time they hadn't yet come off ticket so I had to go the route of FAC alteration. It was nowhere near the build quality of the guns I had to give up, but it was all that I could own that had half a hope of replicating what I was about to lose.

You simply had to make the adjustment from what was, to what is... and having made that adjustment rebuild your sport to suit the new hardwear. Sure it'll never be "the same", and for some "the same" is all that there ever will be, but by use of the old grey matter and some enterprising invention in terms of adapting what you used to shoot, you soon found that you still could shoot all those familiar courses of fire and the "buzz" of the command "Shooter ready" still had the same adrenalin rush when the buzzer went.

Nowadays, while I still shoot a BP revolver... and good fun it is, believe it or not, I get my real kick from shooting an airsoft pistol which I had custom built by Mike Cripps in Burnley. Though only shooting a plastic BB at next to no power, the gear used in terms of full shooting rig exactly replicates that which I used when I had the real steel.

I guess, bottom line, shooting is what you make it. If you get enjoyment out of your chosen equipment, that is all that matters.

[jtw000]

Actually I spent a great deal of time growing up on a farm and learnt on small bore and airguns. Firearms came later, Practical pistol was my bag. I still use airguns and as a kid I loved C02 guns and when they were finally legalised I grabbed them. Even when I shot pistols I shot airguns too, among other things and still do. I think a few people need to read what's said not what they think is said.
Thanks for your "advice" though.

[cookie]

"I guess, bottom line, shooting is what you make it. If you get enjoyment out of your chosen equipment, that is all that matters.

Hi Guy's been away for the weekend, and have just read all the posts, I could get into the debate and most of you know how i stand anyway, but the above quote from Mr. Gun Collector says it all.

Jason:cool:

[Firestorm]

Funny thread this isn't it......?

Loads of verbal, insults and conflict..................:eek:

and then it turns out we all like shooting ;)

Variety is the spice of life they say, be a bit boring if we all took the same view... I think your all right from where you stand. Long may individuality reign.

Russ:D

[sheene]

We all have the same interest! I only put the thread up as I'm a fan of the 1911 which I do have experience with. i'm impressed at a gun that's been around for so long still impresses us in its looks and real performance-nearly £100 years!. I only looked at the Umarex site for the above reason. I wasn't fortunate enough to use one of these in the UK but have used this in the states many times and amongst many used, is my favourite pistol to shoot. This thread for me was about admiring a gun and that's it. Whether you choose the real macoy or the CO2 version or airsoft, that's your choice. Don't argue, if you have a gripe with legislation, take it up with the government. Remember, this country is what it is because of the people that make it, if you're not happy with things then do something about it but don't take it out on people on this forum-or I'll delete this thread :D

Regards to EVERYONE

[Phantom Sniper]

or I'll delete this thread :D

Regards to EVERYONE

Ummm....
I didn't know we could delete our own threads:confused:
I try to learn summat new every day.:D
That'll do for today:)

Tony

[jtw000]

Didn't we fight a war to stop that happening? Oh well, plenty more where that came from.

[sheene]

If you want to delete threads just go in to your thread be it first etc and then go to edit>advaced edit and click delete message :)

[sheene]

Didn't we fight a war to stop that happening? Oh well, plenty more where that came from.

The problem maybe that none of us on this forum ever did fight in any wars :)

[Nickpan]

I think Colt have pulled out of pistols altogether. Very sad, the 1911 is one of the most iconic pistols ever made. They headed up a movement for electronic safety a few years back which law enforcement rejected, perhaps that took the wind out of their sails.
There are still plenty of 1911a1 copies out there, (most of them better than Colts if the truth be known).

Well, p'raps I'll go and buy me some!
Oh, hang on, I can't! So NOW what do I do? I've heard that all the air pistol 1911s don't even fire real bullets, which means they're rubbish!

I'll take up fishing...:p

[Waddo]

The problem maybe that none of us on this forum ever did fight in any wars :)

Erm, that's probably an unintentional error!;)

From posts I've read since joining, there are a few Servicemen here (me included) who have served in "wars" - even if Blair/Brown's cronies feel it's better to downgrade them to "conflicts"!

Not a jibe, just an observation :)

[Napalm]

Erm, that's probably an unintentional error!;)

From posts I've read since joining, there are a few Servicemen here (me included) who have served in "wars" - even if Blair/Brown's cronies feel it's better to downgrade them to "conflicts"!

Not a jibe, just an observation :)

That you Andy?

[Waddo]

No, UK Forces, but been very grateful for US support on more than one occasion!:)

[PHOBUS]

I have just collected the air pistol version
I will let you see it later if you are all good

Come on mate any chance of some feedback or better still PICS !!:D:D

Also where did you buy it ??

Cheers Carl. ;)

[vfrkid]

I think he means by the"air pistol version" is the standard co2 1911 with the rotory mag

[sheene]

Erm, that's probably an unintentional error!;)

From posts I've read since joining, there are a few Servicemen here (me included) who have served in "wars" - even if Blair/Brown's cronies feel it's better to downgrade them to "conflicts"!

Not a jibe, just an observation :)

Waddo
Not a dig at servicemen, I'm 100% behind them it's just that when people use the word 'we' fought a war usually means that they've been no where near a conflict and never will. It winds me up as it disrespects those that were in the services, not recognised for their part and more importantly these people don't bragg about it. My remark was aimed at those that are all mouth and no trousers and will remain un-named but I think we smart enough to know who they are.