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Hornets Nest
19-05-2004, 10:47 AM
at long last my SCAC fac has turned up , i can now relax knowing all my 18 items are safe. im chuffed to bits , had to tell someone

Matt,

michaeladkins
19-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Very pleased for you mate:) :) :)

MikeI
19-05-2004, 03:53 PM
MOST OF THE WORLD YOU MEAN;)

Phil Bulmer
19-05-2004, 08:00 PM
I gave my application to them in person on 28th April. They've cashed my cheque but I've not had a phone call or visit after three weeks. I wonder if this is normal for Nottingham or if they've had a sudden mad rush.

Phil

stumpy lubnut
19-05-2004, 08:23 PM
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs. They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.
Very few gun dealers in the UK have been granted the additional licence to handle these weapons.

DJP
19-05-2004, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs. They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.
Very few gun dealers in the UK have been granted the additional licence to handle these weapons.

Crap. See my post.

stumpy lubnut
19-05-2004, 08:38 PM
Not crap mate, my friend a section 6 gun dealer attended a meeting at NSY today and was informed of the Mets attitude towards this matter.
Are you really saying that the Police have dicresion when applying the law regarding illigal posession of fire arms?

DJP
19-05-2004, 09:37 PM
OK, your information may not be your own (and I don't mean to have a go at you), but it's still crap. To quote:


Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs.

That just won't work: When Brococks were on general sale, up until earlier this year, there was no requirement to register buyers names and addresses. Credit card details are subject to Data Protection and invices only have to be kept for 6 years (Brococks were on sale for over 20 years). Even if you could prove that Joe Bloggs once bought a Brocock how would you prove he still owns it? Up until 19th January he could quite legally have sold it to "A bloke down the pub". And how many Airgun clubs keep a list of who owns what? And that's before you start getting into shops that've gone down the pan (and whose records have been lost) and guns that've been sold secondhand time and again.


Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.

This is complete rubbish. Of course Brococks will be included in any future amnesty. Practically, how could they do otherwise - police station civvies can't tell one gun from another, so there'd need to be a firearms specialist at every front counter - which ain't gonna happen. The whole point of an amnesty is that there's no questions asked and if the public got wind of anything else going on that'd be the end of amnesties.

As I said above, I'm not having a go at you, but there seems to be a large discrepancy between what you're saying and what I've been told by the FET today. Personally, I'd be more inclined to believe the FET. The information given to your friend (assuming he's not misinterpreting it) is obviously intended to get around and put the wind up anyone still knowingly in possession of an unregistered Brocock. As I said above, it's not really possible to target "Innocent" Brocock owners who're unaware of the law change - even if the will was there to do it.

PV
19-05-2004, 09:59 PM
"That just won't work: When Brococks were on general sale, up until earlier this year, there was no requirement to register buyers names and addresses. Credit card details are subject to Data Protection and invices only have to be kept for 6 years (Brococks were on sale for over 20 years). Even if you could prove that Joe Bloggs once bought a Brocock how would you prove he still owns it? Up until 19th January he could quite legally have sold it to "A bloke down the pub". And how many Airgun clubs keep a list of who owns what? And that's before you start getting into shops that've gone down the pan (and whose records have been lost) and guns that've been sold secondhand time and again."



I am an example of this: I have had 5 Brococks, 2 retained on FAC, 2 bought in person for cash and sold on this BBS - no proof of this, and 1 dodgy Magnum which I slung into a skip down the local tip...

Paul

bobb d
19-05-2004, 10:05 PM
Congratulation on your FAC now you can think about real cartridges filled with powder not air they are much more fun rabbits at 250 yds with a bullet that weighs only 17 grains and measures .172 :D :D :D @ 2560 fps

stumpy lubnut
19-05-2004, 10:15 PM
What do you mean by innocent Brocock owners? Ingnorance of the law is no defence. Belive me if the Goverment put their minds to it they will find some owners and make examples of them. It wouldn't be that hard, 6 years of records is a hell of a lot to get info from and warranty cards are even better.
By the way my friend has at the moment been give one of three special licences in the country to handle,store and export TAC guns.
As a member of a Gov agency I have unlimited access to any financial and business records and would have no trouble tracing the first owner of the gun. If the recent DVLA road tax programe of last owner is liable is used would scare many people into giving up the people they sold them on to.
I agree that not many would be caught but the poor *uggers that were would be hung out to dry just so the Gov and Chief Constable could be see to be doing something.
I really am not trying to scare people but if they really want to trust the police then by all means take your guns to the local station and I'm sure you will be treated well.
They are unregistered firearms NOT unregistered Brococks!

Phil FH70
19-05-2004, 10:21 PM
I had my visit last week, i was told by the FLO, Somerset & Avon constabulary would not be going on a witch hunt as there would be a large number of innocent owners who knew nothing about the change in law through no fault of there own.

And that came from the horses mouth, not rumour.

Phil FH70

Phil FH70
19-05-2004, 10:33 PM
I would also like to say how helpful the FLO that visited me was. I told him i had also joined a club and had just been excepted as a member, i showed him my paperwork, and said i would be applying for two rim-fire rifles.

His answer to this was, he made a phone call and then said he could do all the paper work for that as well, and it would save me money.

All he wanted was honest answers to his questions.

Phil FH70

stumpy lubnut
19-05-2004, 10:39 PM
All this dosn't really affect me, I was just concerned that many people wern't taking this seriuosly and may end up in big trouble.
I give up:)

Koz
20-05-2004, 01:04 AM
Congratulations on your new FAC

Isn't it about time you contacted me regarding the conclusion of our transaction? ;)

Bulsaye
20-05-2004, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Hornets Nest
at long last my SCAC fac has turned up , i can now relax knowing all my 18 items are safe. im chuffed to bits , had to tell someone

Matt,
Excellent! Welcome to my world (LOL). I will say this though, there is much to be said for some great sub FAC airguns. I recently acquired a rammed .177 Superstar and it's spot on accurate. I've bagged a couple bushytails already with it. RB

michaeladkins
20-05-2004, 08:59 AM
In defence of Stumpy Lubnut -

My Local FLO told me last week that after the official date for handing in or licensing had ended the Herts police gave a few weeks "grace" period to allow people who "did not know" to hand in without any problems.

BUT he also said that now that period is over anyone found with one or even trying to hand the offending weapon in would be "dealt with", What that means i do not know but as stated earlier Ignorance id no defence!

It seems, as with all things police/gun related that the story differs from area to area.

Michael:rolleyes:

neill
20-05-2004, 06:40 PM
My brocock fac also arrived today so my fox and para will be out and about again soon. A condition of the fac is that no one else can handle it so thats sorted the awkward problem of not letting anyone have a go of it at the club!

BoNeS
20-05-2004, 07:42 PM
stumpy you say it would be easy to trace the 1st owner of a brocock

how so i payed cash for mine at a game fair and never sent in a warrenty card or gave my details

the police do however know i have it because i applied for an fac and am awaiting the outcome of said app

however do the police actually have the resourses IE manpower to trace all these criminals who have brococks after the cutoff date?


I dont doubt that if they raided a property on another matter or came across someone who hadnt applied and was in possesion then they would not hesitate to make an example but i really cant see them trying to trace everyone with an illegal brocock

if they do try and do this i for one will be asking my local mp why those resourses are not being used to track down nigerian and west indian drug dealers with uzis and 9mm's who are the real threat to our familys and friends not some bloke with a brocock and let us remember the that brococks were banned not because they were being used to kill people but because they were deemed as easily converted to fire live ammo

just my opinion and they are like arseholes everyone has one

stumpy lubnut
20-05-2004, 08:02 PM
I don't think they will attempt to track down every gun that would be impossable, more likley they would look to make examples of a few and the easiest way to do that would be via warrenties.
After all the fuss in the press they must be seen to be doing something.
A related matter was a recent article in the Kent Messanger stating that ALL air guns have now been banned and the carrying of them in pubilc was now against the law(I thought this was always the case!) Ain't the free press great!!

Hornets Nest
21-05-2004, 06:08 PM
Firstly the bloke who said the police are going to do a rampage and do a search for illegally held weapons by tracing credit cards etc , is pure pants , i have two relatives in the force one of which is part of SO19 , there are no chief constables frothing at the mouth demanding their officers to carry out such a task ,budgets are simply to tight to carry out this kind of response.

also remember that there are many makes saxby & palmer ,crown,pietta ,uberti to name a few , not all of these were brought in by Brocock

if you add these to the offical figures that brocock has said then you are considerably mis informed when they say there are 70.000 in circulation ,

And to KoZ , Ii will mail you shortly

The entire team at my local Firearms licence dept are all happy go lucky people who have no desire to make enemies of the public
it is why they have contacted all shooting clubs in their area and went on prime time news to alert people of the new anti social behaviour law which these items fall under ,

stumpy lubnut
22-05-2004, 03:52 PM
Yes I admit that I was ill informed the actual number was 75,000 for all TAC guns.
I am a member of three gun clubs, two are mixed firearm/air gun and one a dedicated air gun. None have been contacted by the local police regarding the recent changes in the law and I don't recall any accurate prime time news articles in my area regarding the recent changes in the law.
Regarding your reletives could they also not be mistaken in the're interpretation of what they have been told?
The only reason I posted in the first place was to try to protect and warn anyone who still has any of these guns now held illigally, I just hope when the first example is made of some poor bugger you will stump up the legal costs.
My wifes best friends husband is also a member of SO19 as part of the PM's protecton squad but dose that make my info better than yours? And I would be a little worried if my local FL dept team were '' happy go lucky!''

abbo
22-05-2004, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by PV
Credit card details are subject to Data Protection and invices only have to be kept for 6 years
Paul
Disclosure to the police is permitted under the Act for the prevention or detection of crime or the apprehension or prosecution of offenders.

The Police officer who checked out my security arrangements thought it was ridiculous that they were being put on FAC.

But if Blunkett decides that they have to find some owners and prosecute, then that's what they will do.

And I've got enough to worry about without a possible dawn raid by armed coppers!:D