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figjam
22-05-2004, 01:00 AM
just found this on the net, i wrote a reply of course.(took a couple of attempts as i had to calm myself down)

i always thought the press were supposed to look into the facts before they reported! (apparently not)

im absolutley raging at this article!



http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/115/115474_gun_law_loophole.html



try and count to ten before you write a reply!
(i was upto nearly a hundred)


this is the kind of $hite we can do without1

rgds

kenny

RochdaleLad
22-05-2004, 01:55 AM
I'm not p'd off, I'm just dismayed...


Hurrah for whoever this is:
"A responsible human, "Not in De Nile""

Well reasoned argument to that article.. Thank you. :)

CalorGaz
22-05-2004, 02:15 AM
Well added my comments regarding the total inaccurate reporting as per usual . . .

not that it will do any good....

CG

Gazo
22-05-2004, 06:48 AM
I just sent them my thoughts and all I will say is I am not a happy person in the mornings :mad:

Len
22-05-2004, 06:59 AM
I posted my reply to the post where mothers are calling for a total ban on guns:

Someone is getting mixed up here. :confused: Quote:
Home Office Minister Caroline Flint said: "In some parts of the country, and among some young people, the gun is seen the ultimate status symbol.

"Although in the UK the level of gun crime remains low compared with other countries, we cannot be complacent while people are being killed by guns on our streets.

My comment;

The GUNS mentioned in this report are not just airrifles, airpistols or even aircartridge pistols, no they are the real thing. These kids/youngsters are always going for the real thing they buy NIKE, DIESEL, MEXX, FILA etc etc, they will not bother waving a "toy-gun" (in their opinon) no they buy a H&K 9mm etc etc.

Ordinairy kids study and work for their future, these kids haven't got a future and they want to be respected in their (deprivated) environment, that is where guns come in as like they see on telly. I have been an airgunner for over 25 years and it has never once crossed my mind to hurt anyone with my guns nor use it as an intrument to impress others. Use common sense: if a youngster is caught with a genuine handgun (one that fires real bullets) he should be severely punished and the gun should be traced down all the way (under current law very hard as the defendent has the right to remain silent) That is where the focus should lie and not law abiding people like a bunch of dedicated airgun sporters.

Len

:mad:

PS it does me you wonder though, how can we ever convince them, how can we ever explain to them the difference between an airgun and the real thing :(

Graphite
22-05-2004, 08:38 AM
I too am shocked and dismayed that they were charged £200 for a CP88. They were had! :(

Mick H
22-05-2004, 08:59 AM
i always thought the press were supposed to look into the facts before they reported! (apparently not)
Another very misleading report. :mad:
If read carefully, which can be hard to do, as the first few lines got my blood boiling as well, it seems they have got their facts right (about which guns are banned) though it has obviously been written in a misleading way :mad: W@nkers!!!
It's this kind of reporting we could all do without.

We bought the CP88 in T Stensby and Co on Shudehill. Their staff acted completely within the law as the .177 air gun falls outside the new legislation.
It is powered by gas cartridges which must be inserted into the handle and which must be replaced on average every 80 shots.

The air guns which are banned under the new law are designed with self-contained gas cartridges, which look like real bullets.

Guinness
22-05-2004, 09:01 AM
Do you think they will ever bring an end to our sport?:(

clarkyxxx
22-05-2004, 10:17 AM
i cant believe they compare a real firearm to a bb gun, what is she on about, a friggin plastic bb in her neck, i say shut up to the sad mothers who want to ban our sport

now ive got that off my chest ;) i feel much better:D

SWAT Strachan
22-05-2004, 12:00 PM
Well, one long reply left to that piece of 'journalism' :mad:. I do agree though, they were ripped off for that CP88, £200 indeed!!

CalorGaz
22-05-2004, 12:08 PM
There is one up side to all of this... Pistol sales must have gone through the roof the last few weeks seeing as all of these journalists are buying them for their stories !!!

So at least the gunsmiths are still in business even if our sport is taking a beating.

CG

Shaggy
22-05-2004, 12:14 PM
clucking idiots:mad:
It don't care how cleverly they worded it It's not only misleading & confusing to those that don't know about the changes but could result in time & money being wasted, by the Police responding to crappy er they have a banned pistol!!!

it's people like these that give the antis more fact to nail the coffin even tightly shut, some would just read the first paragraph & be done with it.

they give people that know a head ache, 3/4 way down they tried to make a quick recovery but it don't work does it. they contradict the 1st paragraph and probably all the article, buch of clucking idiots scare mungerers:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

drop em a line guys & tell em like it is I HAVE

Darren

smokin
22-05-2004, 12:29 PM
what do the gutter journos do with the guns they've bought?- go plinking in their own back garden or do they just sell them to a street kid!


WNAKERS!

Chris

aurin
22-05-2004, 01:34 PM
Quote:

Linda Mitchell, spokesman for the Gun Control Network, set up in the wake of the Dunblane massacre, said: "All air weapons are lethal, full stop. They are capable of serious injury and there have been deaths. We really need to see legislation that covers all air weapons."


Maybe we should ban cars as they cause deaths everyday?

I think they should go to the USA before complaining about gun controls in the uk.:confused:

RochdaleLad
22-05-2004, 02:10 PM
In any case, we already have legislation that covers all air weapons... These people really need to do some research before spouting off.

Sigh.

D

Taff Williams
22-05-2004, 02:15 PM
Reply sent:rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:

Ogri the trog

mikebike
22-05-2004, 03:05 PM
There are only 3 replies on that page, I think they are holding back!

Dirty-Harry
22-05-2004, 03:48 PM
Sadly this is just the kind of irresponsible 'journalism' that we see after any shooting.
Does anyone recall the furore over shotguns after the 'Black Panther' shot a police officer? That's when shotgun permits became necessary. The odd thing is that he used a revolver!
I'm afraid that when it comes to 'guns' of any type reason and logic (and to a great extent, the truth) are the first casualties.
Even the police are not immune. Shortly after Dunblane all constabularies started to compile records of 'firearms offences'. The vast majority of these 'offences' involved airguns, air-soft, and even plastic toy guns.
A case in point -
A taxi driver was reported to the police for having a firearm in his cab. An armed response vehicle was despatched and the cabbie found himself surrounded by armed officers all pointing their weapons at him and ordering him to get out and lie on the ground. When he had been suitable manacled they proceeded to search his vehicle. They soon found the weapon - it was on the dashboard, after all.
What kind of firearm was it? With it's red muzzle-plug counterpointing the blue plastic it was his 7 year-old son's cap-gun!

Dave Stringer
22-05-2004, 04:41 PM
Posted a reply to this article:

Your article regarding "gas cartridge" guns is TOTALLY inaccurate. The only airguns that require a firearms certificate under the new antisocial behaviour bill are the air cartridge guns such as those that were sold by Brocock. The Walther CP88 that you mention is subject to no restrictions under this act. Your contact at Greater manchester Police is also totally incorrect in his statement. It is sensationalist publishing such as yours that drives the anti gun network. We all should be concentrating on the totally illegal use of fully automatic firearms and handguns, both of which are already illegal, by drug dealers and armed robbers. I ask you one question. Will this legislation keep these totally illegal weapons off our streets? The answer, of course, is no, because the people who hold and use these weapons care not one jot about legally held weapons and the law abiding enthusiasts who own them. Please, do two things.
1. Get your facts straight.
2. Publish a retraction and qualify your story.

David Stringer.

It's about the best I can do, but I think it will have little effect. At least we should make the effort.

Dave

adam_thrower
22-05-2004, 05:23 PM
I posted my reply. Reckon the chances of it making the web page are slim to none!:D

A load of toss IMHO

draftsmann
22-05-2004, 05:38 PM
My feedback:

This is a cynically dishonest article. The word "loophole" implies a flaw in the law unforeseen by the legislators at the time the law was made. In fact the type of CO2 powered pistol mentioned in the article was subject to an intentional relaxing of the law in Great Britain in 1997, in that the need to hold such guns on a firearms certificate was repealed as unnecessarily draconian in relation to the "lethality" of these guns.

I do not of course expect for one minute that your readers will see you set the facts straight in this matter, such is your business of gutter journalism.

No regards

Adrian Sacco

adam_thrower
22-05-2004, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by draftsmann
My feedback:

I do not of course expect for one minute that your readers will see you set the facts straight in this matter, such is your business of gutter journalism.

No regards


Touching :D :D :D

rarms
22-05-2004, 06:57 PM
>Linda Mitchell, spokesman for the Gun Control Network


Do they know something we don't ;)

badgeroy
22-05-2004, 07:15 PM
REPLIED WITH MY COMMENTS, (TOTAL IGNARAMUS'S)

CHEERS
ROY

Davestate
22-05-2004, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by rarms
>Linda Mitchell, spokesman for the Gun Control Network


Do they know something we don't ;)

IT was probably called Lee before IT had the sex op and now can't get a job, hence IT is now an anti with nothing better to do.

BTW, also left my comments, but didn't see any others apart from 3 do gooder's replies.:confused:

AirgunStan
22-05-2004, 07:57 PM
Here's what I e-mailed to them:

Your article printed on the 03/05/04 headed 'Gun Law Loophole' has been highlighted on an airgunforum on the internet.
It is an inaccurate report.
The ban of self contained air guns relates to those which contain a small charge of air held in a small cartridge which looks almost identical to that of a real bullet. These are called 'Tacs.' A charge of air is forced into these and when hit by the guns hammer releases the small charge of air behind the pellet and thus sending it down the barrel.
The ban relates to these and not airguns which your report spotlights. The airguns which are powered by small CO2 capsules have not been banned. These CO2 capsules are exactly the same as what you use in a soda syphon.

The guns that have been banned with the Tacs - which stands for 'Tandom Air Cartridge System' are in fact not very accurate.
My belief is that they look too much like the real thing - the Tacs look like live ammunition. The actual official line is that the guns are easy to modify into a real firearm. I am informed that this is in fact a nonsense as the structure of the metal in these airguns is not strong enough to withstand the tolerances of firing live ammunition anyway. This was part of the design.

As with any gun or airgun it is only dangerous in the hands of the wrong person.
There are a great many responsible people using airguns safetly and enjoying this challenging sport.

Unfortunately airgun enthusiasts seem to get a lot of 'bad press' which isn't helping or indeed very fair.

Since becoming interested in this activity I have discovered that a wide cross section of society pursue this sport. We are not all hooligans.

In view of what I have explained above I would be grateful if you would print some kind of retraction clarifying the facts.

Thank you.

Fenman
22-05-2004, 08:01 PM
I thought the report was standard scaremongering with "Gun" being the keyword for getting public attention. Pretty usual stuff.
Have any of these Mothers against violence (or whatever they're calling themselves this week) lost a son to a CP88?

The press rely on the fact that the general man-in-the-street is unable to differentiate between an airgun and a 'real gun'. Gun is gun, and it sells more copy if the words "maim" and "lethal" are included.

My pet cat is tiger-shaped but I don't blame him for every big cat attack in India.
Same thing.

CalorGaz
22-05-2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Fenman

My pet cat is tiger-shaped but I don't blame him for every big cat attack in India.
Same thing.

CLASSIC :)

CG

NickNick
23-05-2004, 05:24 AM
I added my opinion. I wonder if they will actually publish all this dissent ?

Nick.

malcytull
23-05-2004, 06:18 AM
I too have put my five eggs in, are golf clubs going onto a lethal weapons category? you could 'ave someones eye out with that!

NickNick
25-05-2004, 05:24 AM
Our responses have been added to their 'news' article, BUT, there has been some very severe censorship.

They have removed a large chunk of my post. I'm sure it's just coincidence, but the bits they removed related to their biased sensationalist reporting and the gradual erosion of peoples freedom in this country.

Now, if I was a conspiracy theorist I might think this was one.

Nick. :mad:

RepkaX
25-05-2004, 08:11 AM
Xanx's response to that article on that page is BRILLIANT... is that one of you lot?? "...should consider joining the anti speed campaign, they love hysterical ranters too." :D :D :D

nealie
25-05-2004, 09:07 AM
have left a response too...and email Walther the link as well......sure this counts as libel doesnt it? :)

Nealie

Zanx
25-05-2004, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by RepkaX
Xanx's response to that article on that page is BRILLIANT... is that one of you lot?? "...should consider joining the anti speed campaign, they love hysterical ranters too." :D :D :D

Ah, yes, that'll be me then :D

Got a bit carried away and oddly enough the whole post is there in it's full glory :confused:

Haje
25-05-2004, 04:31 PM
I have just posted this comment up on their site.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------My Father who has been shooting for 66 years was almost killed a week last Saturday as he did some repairs on an old air rifle…… a golf ball came flying from the park behind his house, hit the neighbours wall and came crashing through the side window. If it where not for the roller blind and the net curtain he would have been seriously hurt! As it was he was covered in shards of glass.

The culprit was a young lad whacking golf balls as hard as he could.

I am a member of a shooting club and pay money in order to shoot under safe controlled conditions. The members are responsible people who only want to enjoy their sport.

I know that the general public do not take kindly when you say that you have an interest in shooting, but I would much rather spend time in the company of other Shooters than the type of dangerous, out of control, lager drinking hooligans
that I see around the city, commonly known as football fans.

elmerfudd
25-05-2004, 07:30 PM
"All air weapons are lethal, full stop. They are capable of serious injury and there have been deaths. We really need to see legislation that covers all air weapons."

I suppose the same thing could be said about knives, shovels, baseball bats and crowbars.