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duggie
25-05-2004, 07:53 PM
Hi,
l've just got permission for a my first shoot, theres plenty of rabbits, l've taken the time to visit the ground (without rifle) at different times of the day, early morning and late evening seem to be the best time regards to rabbits being out and about, what l need to know is what is the best way for me to go about hunting them, should l just hide up in one position and wait, or just keep moving. The times l've been there the rabbits spook quite easily, now if this happened on a shoot would it be best just to hide up and wait for them to reappear or just move on.
Cheers. Duggie

Jon Budd
25-05-2004, 07:56 PM
Take the rifle for a walk, do some stalking.

When they get spooky, go for the hide shooting, but until then have fun :)

Wherabouts in Kent are you - I do free "day trip" consultations :)

duggie
25-05-2004, 08:15 PM
cheers Buddyboy, l'm in sunny Ashford, its taken me a little while to get this shoot, theres conditions laid down by the owner, but once l've got my feet under the table and things hopefully go well, maybe we could arrange something.

cliveward
25-05-2004, 08:25 PM
Hey Duggie,

I'm in Sunny Ashford too :) just thought I would say hi. Good luck with the shoot mate and well done.


Cheers





Clive

Jon Budd
25-05-2004, 09:01 PM
LOL - just joking about the visit mate, it's your shoot, your rabbits - I've plenty of my own to keep occupied ;)

Just move around slowly, and with cover behind you so you don't stand out against the horizon...

si72
26-05-2004, 12:27 AM
i recently got a new farm to shoot on no one had hunted there for about three years. the bunnies had never seen or heard a gun or spotlight before. it was great for a while. my advice is if you think that you could miss leave it and move on that way they will not run away next time as soon as they see you. approach from down wind if you can. also hunting at night is good with a spotlight. a slight wind is good to cover noise you might make.
you prob knew this anyway but if not hope it helps
si

lazapell2003
26-05-2004, 12:57 AM
oh and make sure your guns loaded when you fire it :D

scottywong
26-05-2004, 11:49 AM
:( :( theres to many shooters in kent !! thats why its so hard to get anywhere to shoot!everytime i go to aland owner or farm they've had 2or3 already.good luck on ur shoot


scott

cliveward
26-05-2004, 12:11 PM
Duggie,

For best results if you don't think you have the necessary stalking skills is to lay in ambush as it were.

Visit the land and identify the best areas, then choose a good vantage point downwind with good cover and a good rest. A good vantage point could be as simple as some long grass or as complicated as a hide. Make sure you wear some sort of camo jacket and hat to help you blend in with the surroundings, a camo rucksack is a handy item too because you can use it to carry all your gear and as a rifle rest. To make things even simpler you can place range markers in your killing zone so you will know exactly how far away your targets are. Zero your rifle at your preferred range and then do some target punching to see what the pellet does at different ranges. Make a note of your hold over/under and take that with you when you go shooting.

Hope this helps.


Cheers





Clive

Taff Williams
26-05-2004, 12:27 PM
Duggie,
I think you've answered your own question there, when you say that they spook quite easily when you have wandered around - just use that to your advantage. Lie in wait and ambush them as they come out for the evening, you'll get a few before they catch on.
Rabbits on my shoot run off when the first one is shot, but tend to poke their heads out about 10 minutes after that, just in time for the second to bite the dust etc etc.

Anyway all the best when you get out there.

Ogri the trog

duggie
28-05-2004, 09:54 PM
Had the first hunting session tonight, went out about 9.30ish, just me and my Son and his raider .22, we waited up in some long grass, sure enough 10-15 min rabbits appeared, l spent a little while this afternoon zeroing in the rifle so l knew it was spot on. l took the first shot, l know full well l hit the rabbit, we both heard the crack on impact but that rabbit turned and ran for cover, had to wait awhile before they came out again, second shot was also a good hit, this rabbit literally left the ground, but again scuttled back into the undergrowth, now this leaves me wondering, two good hits but no kill, the rifle is a raider 2 shot that was chrono checked a few weeks ago, (just under 12lb) the shots were taken well within distance (25-30yrds), do l carry on or have the rifle checked again?
Duggie

Jon Budd
28-05-2004, 09:55 PM
Wherabouts on the head did you hit 'em ?

duggie
28-05-2004, 10:08 PM
l'm almost certain the hit was just behind the eye (side on)

Jon Budd
28-05-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by duggie
l'm almost certain the hit was just behind the eye (side on)

Nothing wrong with that than ! Was it a crack or a thwock ?

duggie
28-05-2004, 10:22 PM
definite crack, l was reading a post on here yesterday other lads were talking about similar experiences, maybe l'll try looking that one up, trouble is my lad wants to go out again later tonight to do some lamping, hes young and excited l'm old and cold!

Jon Budd
28-05-2004, 10:24 PM
It is possible to hit skull and miss brain, but to do it twice in a row seems unlucky.....

What kind of accuracy do you acheive at this range on paper ?

duggie
28-05-2004, 10:34 PM
When lm in a rest position ie sitting/lying down on a good day hitting a group of around 1" is not uncommon, l find this gun to be very accurate, my lad is probably more accurate but l wont tell him that!

Jon Budd
28-05-2004, 10:39 PM
Sorry mate, but 1" really should be the worst from such an ideal position, under "range" conditions....

Think of it this way, rabit brain is about 3/4" ? Thats your target.

Under ideal condition you shoot average 1.5" groups say - that about's 1/2 to 2/3rd of the shots landing in the brain...

Than add the "pressure" of hunting, slight range estimation errors, a bit of wind, whatever, and you are probably down to about 1/3 or less of shots in the brain....

I may of course be wrong, but that's my immediate thoughts...

Personally, I expect to shoot 1/2" to 3/4" groups under ideal range conditions at whatever distance I intend to hunt at. FAC rifles have a greater leaway, as bodyshots and just the sheer damage they inflict effectively increase the kill zone size...

HTH - JB

swamprat
28-05-2004, 11:01 PM
With regards to hitting those rabbits, I get that experience now and again, thinking that I've hit them then seeing them run off. Used to get it more often when I started hunting, and again the other night when I just couldn't get it together for the first hour. I have often been absolutely sure that I'd hit them. Now I have to concede that, while it may have looked a dead cert through the scope, that in fact I missed. Whether I missed altogether or missed the vital spot makes no difference; it's a miss. A near miss is as bad as a miss.

Go for headshots always (you may already be doing that) and reduce the range that you take the shot at. Define your boundaries and push them out slowly from there. As stated, there's all sorts of reasons why accuracy in the field may be less than during practice. Don't try to emulate John Darling or the airgun mags straight away. Find your level, then work up.

With regards to new shoot preparations, do you have a map made out of your shoot that you can mark warrens, kills, likely feeding areas on? Better still, go to www.multimap.com and print out an aerial photo of your hunting ground. I've found this invaluable for planning my shoots and assessing how I'm doing.

swamprat
28-05-2004, 11:10 PM
As an aside, I have to agree with Buddy boy. You need to achieve 1/2 inch groups on the range. If you can only achieve that at 15-20 yards at the moment, then only take 20yd shots at live quarry. This is quite literally what i had to do when I started. It's harder work getting that close, but it's also bl00dy good practice for your fieldcraft. When you get those one shot one kills time after time at that range then the reward is worth it. Hunting's 50% accuracy and 50% fieldcraft. If one side of that equation fails then the whole thing falls apart.

That's been my experience anyway. Hope that helps and congrats on getting the shoot.;)

Smudgegs
29-05-2004, 09:17 AM
Hi Duggie,
We have on a few occaisions hit rabbits and heard a loud "crack" only for them to run off, very occaisionally one of the other shooters has then hit them with a "thwock" and they've gone down. When we inspected them they had been hit once in the ear/s and once properly in the brain....

We reckon the loud "crack" is the ears htting each other if you miss over. (though some people will probably disagree!!)
Is it possible that in the excitement of early hunting trips you've snatched the trigger and shot "over" very slightly?

Everyone has been giving you excellent advice so far, I'd just like to add, before taking the shot try to take a steady breath fully in then half out and try to remember all your normal target shooting drills as you squeeze the trigger. The emptation is to see the sight picture and shoot asap which then results in many misses!!

Apologies if you knew all this(!)

Good luck,
Smudge

duggie
29-05-2004, 10:47 AM
Hi Smudge, lm still confident that the shot was good, it certainly wasn't a rushed shot, l was in an ideal position, had plenty of time to line up and take the shot. l had a few shots in the garden this morning, the rifle is very accurate and tighter grouping than the 1" l said earlier, guess l was being too hard on myself. Thanks for the advice, its all apreciated.
Duggie

Smudgegs
29-05-2004, 10:56 AM
Trying to think what else could cause it...

I've seen rabbits with mixy take a head shot (witnessed by two other shooters through high mag scopes!) and still run off,

Otherwise... the shots weren't taken up or downhill were they? That could cause them to go high... and finally were you "resting" the rifle? If it is a recoiling type that will affect the point of aim/impact.

apart from that, dunno... the rabbits weren't wearing kevlar were they? :eek: