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The Birdman
26-05-2004, 07:50 AM
I wan't to get a Theoben MFR, To get one I'll probably have to P/X my lovely AAS410 Thumbhole which is very accurate and relaible. Were talking purely .177 here. I'm worried if I get the MFR I'll be dissapointed and would have lost my baby (AAS410) Bench rested I can get 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards. It wouldn't be used for hunting really, So another question is would an MFR be a waste ? Opinions please, Cheers

airgunner2388
26-05-2004, 08:01 AM
Having fired a MFR belonging to a a friend of mine and owning two S410K but not thumbhole stocks.

Why change?

I would get one and keep the S410.

Regards
Barry

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 08:08 AM
I know, I'm sad, Just fell in love with the MFR when I had a go. Bit of spare cash,Might get something cheaper,Like a new brain !

clubshot
26-05-2004, 08:51 AM
I have a Rapid 17 and a Air Arms 400 in .22

Both very accurate guns.

Why change guns if they work well
Looks and feel do not always match accuracy and known comfort ;)

The thought of giving this Goverment more VAT on a New gun is good enough reason for me not to change ;)

BOB/R

Tigger C
26-05-2004, 08:58 AM
Don't think you'll be disappointed, mine is accurate at 70 yards:D
This is shooting at paper, I'm not suggesting that it is an acceptable range for hunting!
Regards
Chris.

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 09:02 AM
Tigger C, Is that 12fpp and in .177 ?

Tigger C
26-05-2004, 12:39 PM
Yes, 12ftlbs, and .177 :) I'm waiting to be told Rapid barrels are cr-p ( not by you, but a few others on here!)
Rgds
Chris.
ps. But I did have a S410 that was stunningly accurate too.

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Tigger, Thanks, I also know what you mean. A lot of people seem to have a hatred of Theobens for no apparent reason ?

Tigger C
26-05-2004, 12:50 PM
They must be jealous eh? ;) I love mine anyway. I fitted a Simmons 6-18x40 and use it for hunting and HFT. The perfect tool for both. BTW Theoben are very approachable and helpful these days.
Regards
Chris.

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 01:00 PM
Very True, Quiet aint it ?

Kev.G
26-05-2004, 01:01 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tigger C
[B]Yes, 12ftlbs, and .177 :) I'm waiting to be told Rapid barrels are cr-p ( not by you, but a few others on here!)

cr@p maybe a to strong a word,pellet fussy yes.i would like to see theoben use BSA barrels

kevG

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 01:06 PM
So Kev G are you saying S-10 is a more reliable rifle ?

Kev.G
26-05-2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by The Birdman
So Kev G are you saying S-10 is a more reliable rifle ?

nope not at all,to me a s10 is a poor copy of a fantastic gun(the rapid)its just that BSA barrels tend to shoot any thing you put in them.the rapid is the only gun i use so i aint slaging it of,ive used and owned most but the rapid is the daddy imo.

kevG

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 01:27 PM
Ah, Looks like you two have made my mind up for me. Thanks a lot lads You have confirmed what i thought, Thats that i cannot really go wrong with a rapid or MFR. Cheers

gaz gun man
26-05-2004, 02:00 PM
if you are :)

south paw
26-05-2004, 03:27 PM
A 410 is just as accurate if not more so than MFR (not knocking theobens ive aMK2)but 410 is not so pellet fussy.weve put them through with squashed up skirts and still fly great.Come up&see pak san lee@26th middlesex rifle range he tunes he gets 100 good shots in classic 177.we have to guys got them near enough 1hole groups@50+ yards.

rayowl
26-05-2004, 03:53 PM
Well i have a Mk1 Rapid in .177 and i have no accuracy problems, although IMO the AAs400/410 in .177 will better the Rapid but only by a few millimeters.

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 04:26 PM
So looks like i would be mad P/X my S410 ?

zooankski
26-05-2004, 04:41 PM
I HAVE BOTH RIFLES AND I THINK THE MFR IS THE BETTER-LOOKS GOOD,MORE ACCURATE THAN I AM (SO IS TH S410) BUT THE QUALITY IS OUT OF THIS WORLD ON THE THEOBEN WITH DEEP BLUEING UNLIKE THE S410 AND IT IS SO WELL BALANCED.
IF I HAD BEEN IN YOUR SITUATION AND HAD SOME SPARE CASH THEN I WOULD HAVE GONE FOR THE MFR BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION.I ALSO GET BETTER GROUPING WITH THE MFR FREE HAND THAN THE S410 DUE TO THE BALANCE ISSUE I GUESS BUT AMAZING GROUPS WITH THE S410 AND BIPOD

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Zooanski, Thanks for your help. I noticed you have a .20. I've never really dealt with a .20 before. I'm purely a target man and like the .177 for the trajectory but love the .22 for the extra "Impact" you get. Whats .20 like ? is it completley between the 2 i.e do you get the accuracy and still the impact ? or is it not that straightforward ?

zooankski
26-05-2004, 05:19 PM
TO BE HONEST I AM STILL LEARNING TO SHOOT IT!-THE S410 IS .22 AND I HAVE HAD .22'S FOR MOST OF MY SHOOTING LIFE SO PRETTY MUCH KNOW HOW FAR TO HOLD UNDER/OVER WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT TOO MUCH.
I HAD A .177 HORNET AND HARRIER EARLIER IN THE YEAR AND USED THEM FOR HUNTING BUT I DID NOTICE SOME CASES OF OVER PENETRATION AND HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM JUDGING HOLD OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE .20 DOES SEEM TO BE AN IDEAL COMBINATION THOUGH-I HAVE HAD SOME SUPER SHOTS WITH IT AT DISTANCES OUT TO ABOUT 45 YRDS WITH THE PELLET GOING JUST WHERE I WANT IT-MY ONLY PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE WHEN I AM SHOOTING IT AT 10-20 YARDS WHEN I HOLD UNDER INSTINCTIVELY AND NORMALLY MISS.
I TRIED A GOOD TARGET SHOOT LAST WEEK WITH TARGETS OUT TO 15 AND 30 YRDS.THIS IS THE BIT THAT I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND-AT BOTH DISTANCES I WAS KNOCKING THE BULL OUT OF THE PAPER WITH A 12 ROUND MAG WITH NO HOLD AT ALL.SO I TRIED AT 45 YRDS AND FOUND I THEN HAD TO HOLD WHICH PROVED TO ME THAT THE DROP OFF POINT WAS A LOT FURTHER THAN I EXPECTED.VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS SO FAR AND USING H & N FIELD SEEMS TO GIVE ME THE BEST RESULT SO FAR FOR TARGET SHOOTING BUT FOR SHEAR STOPPING POWER I HAVE BEEN USING .20 BEN TAYLOR ELIMINATORS TO FANTASTIC EFFECT!ALTHOUGH THEY DO SEEM TO MAKE A MESS IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT!

Mario
26-05-2004, 06:23 PM
Just a few days ago I've posted a few real world groupings of the MFR on our dutch/flemish airgun forum.

Below is a picture of 5 5-shot groups with JSB Exacts 4.52 at 48 m (about 53 yards). The complete target is 2 ", the inner target is 1 ". Average group size is 0.52 " ctc.

http://www.luchtbuks.net/uploads/post-5-1085384809.jpg

I was adjusting the scope from one target to another which explains why the groups are on slightly different places on the different targets.

I also tested the MFR at 25 m (27.5 yards) and got 0.18" as average group size ctc.


http://www.luchtbuks.net/uploads/post-5-1084565589.jpg

I have had a S400 and it had similar accuracy. I think most modern PCP's are capable of this kind of accuracy.

HTH,

Mario

Windrush
26-05-2004, 06:27 PM
CLICK! (http://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?showtopic=472&st=105#) , this takes you to page 8 of a thread of a dutch forum, second post shows a couple 12 Ft.LB .177 MFR groups on a testcard at almost 50 m (48.5m, well over 50 yards). A review of the rifle that shot these groups (in english ;) ) Here (http://www.airguns.tk/), courtesy to Mario, user on this BBS too.

Erwin

Edit: Potdomme, is dat straf of wat??:D

Mario
26-05-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Windrush
[URL=http://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?showtopic=472&st=105#]...
Edit: Potdomme, is dat straf of wat??:D

Haha, ik heb het je weer gelapt ;).

Sorry guys. Most of the time I beat Erwin when replying to a topic on the dutch/flemish airgun forum. And it seems it's the same on this BBS LOL.

Cheers,

Mario

Davestate
26-05-2004, 06:38 PM
Looks like a Stealth is as good & 500 cheaper.;) :D

The Birdman
26-05-2004, 06:40 PM
Ooer missus, I've started something here eh !

Windrush
26-05-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Davestate
Looks like a Stealth is as good & 500 cheaper.;) :D

But this is not exactly a standard stealth ;) a .22 28 Ft.Lb with quite some work on it. Also described at this Site (http://www.airguns.tk/)

Erwin

Mario
26-05-2004, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Davestate
Looks like a Stealth is as good & 500 cheaper.;) :D
:D

It's not really a standard Stealth ;) Stealth modification (http://users.skynet.be/fa830879/airgunning/stealth.html) . So the difference in price is not that big ;). But it's indeed very, very accurate albeit it's running at almost 30 fpe.

Mario :cool:

edit: potverdikke, nu was ik tweede :D .

Davestate
26-05-2004, 06:48 PM
In that case then, it's a bag of crap.:D

lionel
26-05-2004, 07:13 PM
Terrific website you've got there Mario. Shame I can't seem to see the MFR review though.

Lionel

Mario
26-05-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by lionel
Terrific website you've got there Mario. Shame I can't seem to see the MFR review though.

Lionel

Thanks Lionel. I've updated my site this evening and it seems there are a few bugs left. The MFR review should be on-line now.

Cheers,

Mario

lionel
26-05-2004, 07:54 PM
My compliments Mario on a very well written and informative review of your MFR. I've made some similar findings with my .20 MFR. I don't bother with the single shot loader either, finding it easier to thumb a pellet straight into the breech (although I could do with one for my Rapid 17 Mk2, as I just can't get my fingers into that slot).

I have exactly the same scope on my MFR and feel it's too high. I need some 30mm mounts so I can try my Nikko 6x44 on it.

Unlike yours - my trigger was creepy. Ben Taylor has just adjusted it for me and it is now perfectly predictable, although - like yours - the pull is slightly heavier than I'm used to.

Accuracy has been good with H&n ftts but not exceptional, but the creepy trigger may have had something to do with that. I look forward to future tests.

My stock isn't just well-figured - it's breathtaking - the best I have ever seen on a Rapid.

Like you, I love owning and using this rifle

Lionel

Mario
26-05-2004, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by lionel
...Unlike yours - my trigger was creepy. Ben Taylor has just adjusted it for me and it is now perfectly predictable, although - like yours - the pull is slightly heavier than I'm used to ...Lionel

Since I couldn't find out exactly how to adjust the trigger, I asked Theoben for instructions and they sent me an instruction sheet on how to do it. The trigger is now perfect for my taste, light and crisp :).

Cheers,

Mario

lionel
26-05-2004, 09:58 PM
How embarrassing - you would have to quote the part of my post with a silly spelling mistake - I can't edit that out. :rolleyes:

Lionel

lazapell2003
27-05-2004, 03:44 AM
come on guys be honest, you have paid well over the odds for a rifle and now you have found out its no better than average at best ?? and messing about with that rubbish trigger wont help neither, if you want a great pcp rifle go for either the air arms or the hw100, they will do the job just as well if not better and at half the cost,take it like a man , you have been ripped off , and you cant face the truth ?? you live and learn

gaz gun man
27-05-2004, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by lazapell2003
come on guys be honest, you have paid well over the odds for a rifle and now you have found out its no better than average at best ?? and messing about with that rubbish trigger wont help neither, if you want a great pcp rifle go for either the air arms or the hw100, they will do the job just as well if not better and at half the cost,take it like a man , you have been ripped off , and you cant face the truth ?? you live and learn

u're right mate!

im selling my mfr now for a meteor instead

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 06:48 AM
Right Lazapel, HW100 ok if you have ear protectors and are blind (Because the thing is soooo ugly) and Gaz, How much for the MFR ?

Tigger C
27-05-2004, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by lazapell2003
come on guys be honest, you have paid well over the odds for a rifle and now you have found out its no better than average at best ?? and messing about with that rubbish trigger wont help neither, if you want a great pcp rifle go for either the air arms or the hw100, they will do the job just as well if not better and at half the cost,take it like a man , you have been ripped off , and you cant face the truth ?? you live and learn

LOL, I'm surprised it took this long. I'd rather shove wasps up my ar-e than own an HW100 :D :D
Regards
Chris.

jonh
27-05-2004, 07:19 AM
LOL, I'm surprised it took this long. I'd rather shove wasps up my ar-e than own an HW100


How do you feel about hornets then?

Sorry -bad pun - I'll get my coat ;)

Tigger C
27-05-2004, 07:24 AM
:D S'pose I asked for that really. I don't think I'd be keen, sting too much I expect mate.
Rgds
Chris.

steven
27-05-2004, 07:44 AM
The HW100 may well be a good rifle, but it is undeniably plug-ugly!
The 'Joseph Merrick' of all air rifles.

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 07:55 AM
He can't be that educated to own a HW100, Joseph Merrick was otherwise know as "The Elephant Man" And he was quite a stunner compared to the HW100,Who if Joseph was alive today would have been described as "Joseph's Ugly sister"

Davestate
27-05-2004, 07:57 AM
Was it not John Merrick?

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 08:01 AM
It was Joseph Carey merrick, Do you own a HW100 as well ?

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 08:03 AM
Actually "John" does ring a bell ? I think that's what he was called in the film, Perhaps know as as well ? Anyway "Airguns" ?

Davestate
27-05-2004, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by The Birdman
Do you own a HW100 as well ?
Cheeky ****.
Although they are excellent rifles being well engineered and soooo smooth to cock, the looks put me off.

Davestate
27-05-2004, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by The Birdman
Actually "John" does ring a bell ? I think that's what he was called in the film, Perhaps know as as well ? Anyway "Airguns" ?

"My name is John Merrick" rings a bell from the film.;) :D

steven
27-05-2004, 11:42 AM
Davestate,

Think you are right about the film, but the gentlemens real name was Joseph.

Maybe he was self-conscience of his silly forename?:D

gaz gun man
27-05-2004, 01:01 PM
The Birdman - I was only joking about selling the MFR, mate :)

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 01:02 PM
Fair enough, Looks like I'll be ordering mine within the next 24hrs, Cheers

gaz gun man
27-05-2004, 01:19 PM
hope you're as pleased with it as i am mine!

The Birdman
27-05-2004, 01:21 PM
Out of curiosity Gaz, What Calibre is your MFR ?

gaz gun man
27-05-2004, 01:36 PM
all my rifles are .22 except the harrier X, thats .177 :)

Davestate
27-05-2004, 02:58 PM
Gaz, I thought your MFR was .20???

gaz gun man
27-05-2004, 03:04 PM
nope, .22 mate

Sammo
28-05-2004, 07:28 AM
Just one word says it all
I have one for sale on this site if you are interested,
I am not saying it is accurate because I want to sell it, I am saying it, because it is.
for rest of story you may want to read the thread in the sales section.
Even if you do not want mine I would still recommend one for general purpose shooting or hunting.;)