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Simon Clarke
26-05-2004, 02:59 PM
MPs told pistol ban “threatens London’s Olympic bid”
26th May 2004…………………………………………………immediate release.

MPs and peers have been told that the ban on pistols in Britain threatens London’s bid to host the 2012 Olympics. The all-party group on shooting and conservation, meeting at Westminster last night, heard that even special dispensations from the ban for Olympic competitors would not be enough to salvage the pistol shooting competitions.

Christopher Graffius, of the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC), the UK’s biggest shooting organisation which provides the secretariat to the all-party group, said "Because of the handgun ban, Britain is unable to offer anything like the facilities which international competitive pistol shooters require”. The group was told that Britain has slipped from 7th place to 38th in the European competitive rankings as domestic shooters are unable to train, practice or compete in the UK since the ban was introduced in 1997.

Mick Gault, a target pistol shooter, is Britain’s most successful medal winner in any sport, with eleven golds to his credit, but the all-party group was told that he receives no media recognition, and no young people have been able to take up the sport successfully since handguns were banned.

The MPs and peers were shown the difference between a single-shot target pistol (photo) used in competition and a Walther 9mm self-loading pistol, which conforms more to the stereotypical image of a handgun. They were addressed by John Hoare, Chief Executive of the National Small-Bore Rifle Association (NSRA) and John Leighton-Dyson, performance director of the British shooting team which will compete in the Athens Olympics this year. John Leighton-Dyson said that there are £6m of public funds invested at the National Shooting Centre at Bisley in facilities which cannot be fully used because of the handgun ban, and that UK Sport is due to withdraw funding just as the evaluation team looking at London’s Olympic bid is due to begin work.

John Hoare told the group that legislation does not stop crime, but enforcement does. Since handguns were banned in the UK, gun crime has almost doubled while lawful shooting sports have suffered.

Christopher Graffius of BASC said “The all-party group discussed the minimum changes to the law needed to revitalise competitive pistol shooting. The shooting community will keep pressing for the return of legal target shooting with pistols. Logic is on our side and we must demonstrate that the single-shot pistols used in competition bear no relation to weapons used in urban drug-related crime and their use presents no threat to public safety.” ENDS
For more details call the BASC press office on 01244 573031

Zanx
26-05-2004, 03:16 PM
Stuff like that makes me so happy, I love it when politicos are outed for the muppets they really are.

kiriak
26-05-2004, 03:18 PM
It would appear that the government has
shot itself in the foot then - although not with a hand gun!

Rustam Bana
26-05-2004, 03:37 PM
Why did the BASC say that? Free Pistols are legal once again.:confused:

Rustam

Graphite
26-05-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Rustam Bana
Why did the BASC say that? Free Pistols are legal once again.:confused:

Nothing is legal "once again". Free pistols are now being produced, AIUI specifically for the UK market, that conform to the minimum lengths specified by the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997.

R30Jeff
26-05-2004, 05:55 PM
Typical isn't it, one of the few things we are good at and we get shafted by our own government :rolleyes:


Shame the rest of the country won't here about it, I can hardly see it making the 10 o clock news.

Politicians, shoot 'em all.

Not that I am advecating (sp), condoning or suggesting anybody does. Don't want to be labeled a mad gun nut, oh hang on I own an air rifle & pistol I already am :mad: ;)

Rustam Bana
26-05-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Graphite
Nothing is legal "once again". Free pistols are now being produced, AIUI specifically for the UK market, that conform to the minimum lengths specified by the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997.

Point taken. :D

Do you split hairs for a living or is it just a hobby?;)

Rustam

Graphite
26-05-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Rustam Bana
Do you split hairs for a living or is it just a hobby?;)

There is a vast difference between something being made legal and it always having been legal. Not nearly splitting hairs. :)

As you can see in my profile I am a capitalist militarist imperialist ******* scum by trade. ;)

Rustam Bana
26-05-2004, 06:36 PM
Considering that the Long Arm 60's were made specifically to comply with British pistol law, you could stretch a point and say that Free Pistols are legal once again. ;) :D

Graphite
26-05-2004, 06:44 PM
Fair (stretched) point. :D

Though if splitting hairs I would say that there are legal free pistols once again. :p

Rustam Bana
26-05-2004, 07:26 PM
:D :D :D

Steyr
26-05-2004, 08:07 PM
Thank you for that info Simon. I cheered me up a bit that did.

Had this mental picture of a load of MP's sitting on there bums but ALL had the face of Homer Simpson !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The prhase Dohhhh also echoed in my ears...

Steyr

Road Runner
27-05-2004, 06:59 AM
Simon - Thank you for posting this release.



Originally posted by Simon Clarke
John Hoare told the group that legislation does not stop crime, but enforcement does. Since handguns were banned in the UK, gun crime has almost doubled while lawful shooting sports have suffered.

I think this quote says it all really.

If anyone wants wants information on how to lobby their MP, there is guidance linked on Shooting STARS (http://www.f.t.shooter.btinternet.co.uk/) on the Law - Introductory page (http://www.f.t.shooter.btinternet.co.uk/STARS/law/lawintro.htm). I've done been there before .......

Keith

cliveward
27-05-2004, 09:59 AM
It was for this exact reason that the Conservatives only proposed banning centre fire pistols. But unfortunately once Labour got in they proceeded to ban the whole lot while the advice regarding eligibility for the Olympics in future years fell on deaf or ignorant ears.

The whole thing was electioneering and has in no way contributed to public safety. I can think of many better ways in which they could have spent the millions upon millions of pounds of public money that they wasted on this minority enforced PR excercise.

The sole reason for the Dunblaine tragedy was that David Hamilton was mentally ill. Even after many reports of questionable conduct at his 'boys camps', reports of him threatening people with guns, etc. nothing was done! My opinion is that even if the Police were to have acted proactively and confiscated his guns, he would have probably purchased alternative firearms on the black market or even fixated himself on other weapons such as swords and used them instead in his evil attack.

At the end of the day if a lunatic wants to kill someone with a handgun...they will find a way to do it, regardless of the law. A good example of this is the very sad case of Jill Dando. I even know of a very local case to me where a mentally ill man shot and wounded his family doctor with an ancient WW1 service revolver and crude home made ammunition. He attacked the doctor as the final act of a hate campaign that ran for 10 years as he blamed the doctor for the death of his mother.

Rather than banning guns the government should invest time and effort in tackling the real issue of unsuitable people obtaining guns for illegal acts.

It was even suggested by the shooting lobby that they would welcome far more effective and stringent checks on certificate holders, even to the point of phsychiatric testing to prevent mentally ill people from obtaining a firearms certificate.


Cheers





Clive

MikB
27-05-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by cliveward
It was for this exact reason that the Conservatives only proposed banning centre fire pistols.

Excuse me but I think that's wrong. I don't believe anything changed between Tory and Labour governments on this issue, and if the Tories are trying to use that to woo shooters' votes, that's cynical and disingenuous of them.

There are plenty of things this government can be blamed for after 7 years in office, but this particular bandwagon was already fuelled, loaded and rolling under the Tories, in a way that the '97 election results couldn't and didn't influence.

And it was Thomas, not David Hamilton.

Regards,
MikB

cliveward
27-05-2004, 11:43 AM
This should help clear things up...

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9706/12/britain.handgun/

...IIRC the conservatives voted for a ban on centre fire handguns (which was bad enough) with a view to getting more information and making a decision on smallbore pistols in the future. Labours contrary stance during the run up to the election was to decree that they would instigate a total ban on all handguns...which they did.

lol...I'm always getting my Hamiltons mixed up :)


Cheers





Clive

Ray J
27-05-2004, 12:43 PM
I'd like the email addy' of some rival country Olympic Comitee member for the games.

I'd be sure they were aware of our inadequate Olympic standard Pistol Shooting facilities.

Anyone know?

Ray:cool:

Graphite
27-05-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by MikB
Excuse me but I think that's wrong. I don't believe anything changed between Tory and Labour governments on this issue,

There were two Firearms (Amendment) Acts in 1997. The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 included exemptions for 'small-calibre pistols', i.e. .22lr pistols. The Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 removed these exemptions.

#1 was passed under the Tories, #2 was Labour fulfilling their commitment to remove all handguns from the streets of Britain. :rolleyes: