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Greylag
05-10-2008, 11:45 AM
Hello All,

Just got a rifle with a Simmons 3 - 9 x 40mm scope on it. The scope says made in China.

What I would like to know is, are Simmons scopes normally made in China or is this a clone?

Regards

MARTIN1
05-10-2008, 12:03 PM
Hello All,

Just got a rifle with a Simmons 3 - 9 x 40mm scope on it. The scope says made in China.

What I would like to know is, are Simmons scopes normally made in China or is this a clone?

Regards

most are made in china,the good ones are made in phillipenes,all the new range is made in china even the top ends new aetecs, some of the old range were made in china and phillipines,that scope you got is not far off a wtc,i have wtcs and aetecs.
that scope does go blurry on 9x depending on distance but 8x and under its very clear.
atb

Sam Vimes
05-10-2008, 12:04 PM
http://www.simmonsoptics.co.uk/AboutSimmons.htm

There's not many hints on the website. However, I know that many moons ago Simmons scopes were made in the Phillipines. I think that may have changed when the brand changed hands a few years ago.

Greylag
05-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Hello Sam.

Thanks for the reply and the link. The scope I have holds focus right through the range. My eyes aren't what they used to be but a shooting mate was playing with the scope on the way home in the car yesterday. He says it was spot on for his eyes right through the magnification range.

Regards

TERRYT
05-10-2008, 03:24 PM
Hello All,

Just got a rifle with a Simmons 3 - 9 x 40mm scope on it. The scope says made in China.

What I would like to know is, are Simmons scopes normally made in China or is this a clone?

Regards

DAVE,
china are copying just about everthing at the moment,on licence from companies from the uk to the rest of the world,unfortunately most things
not too well,its a lottery im;e afraid,remember when imports used to
have,....made in taiwan..... stamped on them, its no different now
from china, some things good,most rubbish,and then try getting your money back when your item goes t*ts up:eek:i would buy the original in
the uk given the choice,at least you have comeback if its not
working, or fit for purpose.

ATVB TERRY;);)

Sam Vimes
05-10-2008, 03:32 PM
DAVE,
china are copying just about everthing at the moment,on licence from companies from the uk to the rest of the world,unfortunately most things
not too well,its a lottery im;e afraid,remember when imports used to
have,....made in taiwan..... stamped on them, its no different now
from china, some things good,most rubbish,and then try getting your money back when your item goes t*ts up:eek:i would buy the original in
the uk given the choice,at least you have comeback if its not
working, or fit for purpose.

ATVB TERRY;);)

Terry,
the vast majority of genuine branded scopes, for less than around 200, available in the UK are made in China, whether we like it or not. Just because a Simmons may have made in China on it does not mean that it's a fake or copy.

christy
05-10-2008, 03:33 PM
DAVE,
china are copying just about everthing at the moment,on licence from companies from the uk to the rest of the world,unfortunately most things
not too well,its a lottery im;e afraid,remember when imports used to
have,....made in taiwan..... stamped on them, its no different now
from china, some things good,most rubbish,and then try getting your money back when your item goes t*ts up:eek:i would buy the original in
the uk given the choice,at least you have comeback if its not
working, or fit for purpose.

ATVB TERRY;);)
I have an Orvis CFO fly reel made in China. They cost 160 bar. Bought it BNIB off fleabay for 80 ish. When I saw on the box made in China I was a little disappointed.They were made in uk untill recently. However, on inspection the workmanship if first class. Stunning in fact. So they ain't all bad.
I heard China is the new Japan regarding scope glass?

Gary C
05-10-2008, 04:14 PM
If you need to know something ask somebody who knows not Fred down the pub..:)

TERRYT
05-10-2008, 05:06 PM
If you need to know something ask somebody who knows not Fred down the pub..:)

OOPS!!:o:D:D Still, i would buy from a local dealer, got some easier way for a replace/refund if all is not well!!, and i can check it before purchace,no
matter where its made.;)
ATVB TERRY:)

POK!
05-10-2008, 05:58 PM
DAVE,
china are copying just about everthing at the moment,on licence from companies from the uk to the rest of the world,unfortunately most things
not too well,its a lottery im;e afraid,remember when imports used to
have,....made in taiwan..... stamped on them, its no different now
from china, some things good,most rubbish,and then try getting your money back when your item goes t*ts up:eek:i would buy the original in
the uk given the choice,at least you have comeback if its not
working, or fit for purpose.

ATVB TERRY;);)

It's the importers who provide the spec. this stuff is built to. The Chinese will supply top quality if your willing to pay for it.

Greylag
05-10-2008, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the replies all.

I'm going to use the Simmons for a while and see how it goes.

Regards

C3PO_1
05-10-2008, 06:24 PM
Don't dismiss China. It has has more than come in from the manufacturing cold.

christy
05-10-2008, 06:34 PM
Don't dismiss China. It has has more than come in from the manufacturing cold.

Asolutely. My Simmonds WTC 1.5-5x20 is winging it's way to me. May arrive Mon, def Tues. Can't wait to snap it on to my wolf. Whispering death with clarity. :cool:

C3PO_1
05-10-2008, 06:36 PM
I have this scope -- very good it is too.

BAD WOLF
05-10-2008, 08:25 PM
I wouldn't worry about it,the Chinese are making everything now so their manafacturing skills must be getting good.A work mate of mine just bought a Sony laptop,on the bottom it says made in China.Anyway who are we to scoff,how many industries have we got left in this great nation of ours.If they brought the scope here to be made i don't think we will do a much better job at it.

christy
05-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Don't fear the Russians, they finished, don't fear the Yanks, simply war mongers who never win. Fear China, they will oneday rule the world! :cool:

Gary C
06-10-2008, 10:20 AM
It's the importers who provide the spec. this stuff is built to. The Chinese will supply top quality if your willing to pay for it.

absolutely spot on! well nearly.

There is a limit on quality based on the lens manufacturers capability, "Japanese" scopes will "never"(?) compete with German because the lens manufacturers can't get the same glass crystals. The problem with Chinese scopes is both spec and culture. Spec, as POK says, is often not their fault.

Some of oour big boys want a scope they can sell for under 50 and therefore, with their overheads, end up screwing the manufacturer down to a few $$. Not their fault. The other problem is culture, there is an attitude of "near enough is good enough" in China. Details are not too important. This means that QC and finish is not ideal.

We are fortunate that our manufacturers come from outside China and have much higher expectations, but even then if we look at the finish on the Viper it is not what we would like. Sure, it works ok, but could be so much prettier. The manufacturers focus is less than 2% failures, bomb proof internals, high quality lenses, and so why is a nice deep finish needed?

We have been lucky enough to become close friends with them, to the point that this friendship would stay outside business, and as such have been able to teach them a little about expectations which they have taken on board. They have taught us so much more about design and build, but nonetheless the new scopes we have coming out have a much more european ergonomic.

There are certain instances that I can't use one of our scopes, and at that time I'll shop around. I have no interest in where it's manufactured, I look to the company selling the scope. Again, as POK says, they have the final say and the manufacture behind is immaterial.

Aardys
06-10-2008, 10:53 AM
omg , i hope the chinese dont start making air guns . :D