Defiants

[Ric O'shay]

Hello

Has any one attempted long range target using 177 Defiants?
Are they more prone to the affects of wind being so light?

[Venator]

Hello

Has any one attempted long range target using 177 Defiants?
Are they more prone to the affects of wind being so light?

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So light in .177 at 7.5 grains and 15 grains ?

[Steve L]

General consensus is yes, they are affected by the wind alot, the .22 are supposed to be alot better.

[poison dwarf]

Has anyone (not connected with defiant distribution) actually used the .22 to confirm they are better as i found the .177 flavour a waste of space?

[Xristos]

I have the Defiant try pack with 5.48-5.50-5.52 and the last two work fine in my Diana 54. I made a small combarison with JsB 14.3 and i find them almost the same in accuracy and BC. I am going to use them in paper target and long range shooting !

[slug-gun]

How about 1" groups at a measured 68 yards with .177 Defiants, from a Theoben Rapid 17FT, off a bench rest?
And Daystate Rangemasters, at one grain heavier, and from the same company as Defiants are as good if not better still.
And both out penetrate anything else on the market to boot - what else could anyone want?

[nightstalker000]

How about 1" groups at a measured 68 yards with .177 Defiants, from a Theoben Rapid 17FT, off a bench rest?
And Daystate Rangemasters, at one grain heavier, and from the same company as Defiants are as good if not better still.
And both out penetrate anything else on the market to boot - what else could anyone want?

jsbs exacts are very good also i am getting 1 inch groups at 130 yards with .22 airwolf mvt at 33 ft lbs.

[Xristos]

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With 14gr Defiant 5.50 out of box at 80m with Diana 54 and 880 fps.

[Schnakey]

I used the old SN2s and PCP2s and past 45 yards they corkscrewed majorly, the new ones (name escapes me) seem a LOT better.

[longman]

im useing the FAC rated Defiants (18gr) out to 100yrds with my Ds mk4 @ 32ft/lbs and they fly lovely and flat and hit quite hard as well. just wish i could get some
in .25!!!

[Adam77K]

Consensus among many FT/HFT shooters (if there is such a thing :) ) seems to be that they don't group well beyond 35-40 yds in most 12 ft.lbsf rifles. The speculation is that it's to do with rifling twist rates. Launched at the lower spin speeds of 12 ft.lbsf, pellets start to rely on drag stabilisation at longer ranges so diabolos win out, whereas the bullet shaped pellets start to wobble. Grouping and wind performance then go out of the window.

With FAC they spin faster so they stay stable for much longer.

As I say this is speculation but seems to fit most accounts I've read. FAC: yes, sub 12ft.lbsf fine up to 35 yds or so.

[jagxkrs]

Don't shoot FAC but the ones I tried in my sub 12 ft/lb Wolf were bloody rubbish:cool: My desert eagle pistol liked em:D:D:D

[ellsworth]

i personally love em

using med head .177 tonight i was turning the bottom of a bean tin into a teabag at 85yrds

they fly fast and hard , ok not tight groupers but they will go through both sides of the tin at that range

sub 12 HW98

ells

[guidodg]

the 16 grainers in .177 are possibly the worst pellet I have ever tried...out of 3 high power airguns the best group ran at 4" at 50m

[Schnakey]

Looking at the comments they seem quite hit and miss. Some seem to find them very accurate, and some find them to group like a shotgun, but with not much inbetween. Very odd. They must be quite rifling fussy I'd guess.

[ratgunner]

Bought a 1,000 4.52 Defiants for a thorough testing,

very accurate was first impression (be it noted I don't hunt)

Used in these guns sub 12ft lbs at 52yds

BSA Ultra

FX Typhoon

Brocock Contour

At this range all guns lacked hitting power due to lack of pellet weight, but very accurate wind not too much of an issue as pellet is so short,

Moved downrange to 35yds

Tack drivers in all Guns on paper targets

Grouping excellent, but for HFT etc need more weight to truly kill the tin chickens,

If I could get a heavy at the same price I would buy bulk,

All my Gas Pistols Love them, 5p groups as fast as I can pull the trigger at 6yds (takes practice)

Though to be fair JSR Geco's at 230p a tin rule the day,

Cheers All,

Ratty.

[RobF]

The groups from the dommy were only slightly bigger than the box the test packs came in at 55yds.

[Dave Ramshead]

The groups from the dommy were only slightly bigger than the box the test packs came in at 55yds.

nice:D

[Pod]

The groups from the dommy were only slightly bigger than the box the test packs came in at 55yds.

Well that's dommys for ya :( :D

[Gungeek]

Nice. :D

Yeah, cr@p. :) Regards ... Geek

[Kes]

Grouping excellent, but for HFT etc need more weight to truly kill the tin chickens,

Ratty.

Eh? :confused:

[Gungeek]

Eh? :confused:

Nah, don't even try to work it out mate, you'll hurt yourself. :rolleyes: Regards ... Geek

[Kes]

Nah, don't even try to work it out mate, you'll hurt yourself. :rolleyes: Regards ... Geek

But I don't want to try and work it out Paul. I want him to tell me. ;) :p

[Dave Ramshead]

But I don't want to try and work it out Paul. I want him to tell me. ;) :p

"Everyone" knows you need proper stopping power for targets, otherwise they don't go down. T'is why .22 is so popular for FT & HFT.:D

[RabbitSniper177]

i thought daystate where stopping making the rangemasters in .177 due to poor sales :( i found them surprisingly good and very effective on squidgey's heads at 35yrds :D

[Pod]

i thought daystate where stopping making the rangemasters in .177 due to poor sales :( i found them surprisingly good and very effective on squidgey's heads at 35yrds :D

Yes. A real pity. My Air Wolf loves the 4.50 ones.

When I had it confirmed that Daystate were not commissioning anymore, I bought about 30 tubs!

[Button]

I tried .177 in my T10 scorpion at 50m. A lot of the shots were wedged in the backstop sideways...Some even entered backwards! Terrible. i could actaully see them wabbling their way awkwardly down the range and many of them missed my target sheet altogether.

But they seem to do well in my gamo compact pistol, oddly.

Similarly I've tested the .22 U bolt...I had hoped the lighter weight would carry them down range faster. I use an up-turned picnic table at home for a backstop, i gave up after about 30 shots when they could even hit that! :eek:

I have now gone in the opposite direction. Magnum pellets all the way, much more stable at longer ranges with greater energy retension for that satisfying punch at the target.

J

[steve R]

as said in FAC the 18g are awesome, with a handsome thwack on the target:)