Fully moderated Baikal shotgun 20 bore

[Geofft]

Collected the above on Friday. Tested it with 20g hushpower subsonics and with no 6 gamebore and found no appreciable difference in sound levels. The gun is substantially quieter than an unmoderated gun. At 50 meters inside the house it cannot even be heard. The gun is solid with a fairly heavy but safe trigger. I have to remove the lock and barrel to fit it in my gunsafe - at 53ish inches its quite long but not unwieldy.

Tried it at the clay ground yesterday. Being a total novice I didn’t expect to hit much. I was quite surprised how easy it was to take the easy clays around 85% success but the harder ones I was lucky to get 20%. The gun handled very well and has settled in nicely having had around 150 shells through it.

This was bought for clays and as a discreet pigeon gun. I think it will compliment the FAC air rifles I have very nicely. The only disadvantage is the cost of ammunition and clays - £40 lasted about 1.5 hours for 100 shots.

[Geofft]

Any1 else had one of these. I've had the silencer off and note the barrel is not threaded for chokes. I'm wondering if they can be threaded to take chokes for longer range shots without interfering with the silencer.

[sitsinhedges]

Any1 else had one of these. I've had the silencer off and note the barrel is not threaded for chokes. I'm wondering if they can be threaded to take chokes for longer range shots without interfering with the silencer.

Isn't the barrel choked already:confused:

Most singles seem to have quite tight chokes built in.

[cookoff013]

the barrel should be choked. as someone pointed out.
i think (dont know) the barrel should have holes all along the barrel for the escaping gas ?

choke is really subjective,
i like lots of choke. for long range shots and on edge targets.
also this has a +ve effect on cartridge selection.
any cartridge will do most applications.

shooting pigeons with a #8 can be done as effectively as a classic #6
on a decoy situation.
light loads can be effective on game. 21g 12gauge and magnum .410 can both be used to shoot GAME
belive it or not 1/4 choke isnt the best choke of all. (thats my oppinion)
i prefere 3/4, and 7/8 minimum.

full isnt overkill on clays.
full is just a word.
patterns are the penultimate test.

[LESS THAN FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

I've got the .410. The barrel is drilled all the way down to let gases out, I expect the 20g to be the same. The silencer needs removig regualarly as schyte soon builds up in there. The .410 are usually either 3/4 or full fixed choke. They have to be tight to get the shot through the silencer. I would expect the same for the 20g. Mine came with a little booklet explaining all this.;)

[Geofft]

Mine came with an single sheet A4 cleaning guide. The only comment about choke referred to multichoke guns needing 1/2 or more choke. As sitsinhedges stated most single barrels have built in chokes and the pattern is ok at 40 yards.

[tesco.com]

I've got the Baikal moderated 12g, its choked at a fraction under full and impresively quiet when using sub-sonics. I find normal shells easier to hit the target with, getting used to very different sight picture and much slower muzzle velocity is too much for me to cope with... Normal shells are only marginally louder than the sub-sonics.

[draftsmann]

I've always fancied one, but they are section 1 firearms in the IoM.

Adrian

[leadpig]

I've always fancied one, but they are section 1 firearms in the IoM.

Adrian
no there not m8:D

[draftsmann]

Dave;

I questioned this years ago, when Colin Barrie was the firearms officer. He referred the point to the Attorney General's office, and came back to say that they agreed with his interpretation that shotgun silencers are section 1. In fact, if you look here (http://www.gov.im/dha/police/firearms/resident_info.xml)it says:


Firearm Certificates are required for all ... shotguns with a barrel length of less that 24" and Sound Moderators.

Adrian

[leadpig]

i will check on that tomorrow :eek:,,none of the rfd's ive spoken to over here know that:o
was looking at one last month and no mention of fac:confused:
ta for the heads up
not that it matters to me just a quick variation,but i know a few people with moderated 410's

[leadpig]

bad wording on there behalf,phoned them yesterday
you have pm:)

[draftsmann]

Dave;

I agree it's badly worded, inasmuch as a shotgun barrel below 24" is FAC whether it has a silencer or not.

I was told categorically by Colin Barrie, around February 2004, that a silenced shotgun with barrel of any length is section 1. He even (at my request) referred the question to the Attorney General's office, and came back with the same answer.

I wonder if the firearms department would give a written confirmation on the point?

Adrian

[leadpig]

annoying aint it,but hundreds of people have them over here apparently :confused:,they might change the wording soon:)

[draftsmann]

Has Phil given you any written assurances, Dave?

Like I said, his predecessor was adamant on the point. I even contacted Hushpower, who were concerned as they had sold some guns to people on the IoM. I wonder if they made representations to the firearms dept?

If they can be held on RWC then that puts a different perspective on a project someone you and I both know is working on for me :D

Adrian

[leadpig]

nope
i have not got one,but a m8 has one coming from hushpower,he asked them and they said it was fine and they have sold loads over here,none of the rfd's ive asked have heard anything about it either.
possible that his predecessor got confused;):D
phone them and ask for it in writing,there sick of me at the minute;):D:D:D

[draftsmann]

possible that his predecessor got confused;):D
phone them and ask for it in writing,there sick of me at the minute;):D:D:D
Maybe he was wrong, but he told me he'd had the point confirmed by the Attorney General's office - and the website certainly suggests they are FAC.

As things stand, I wouldn't be happy unless I have a written confirmation. Phil Mason is a very nice and helpful bloke, but AFAIK he is not the firearms officer, but a civilian.

Adrian

[leadpig]

lets take it to pm Adrian:D
Geofft post is spammed enough:o:o

[dazb]

i remember when they 1st came out years ago, they used to be a big cumbersome thing you stuck on the end of the barrel, i had one on a .410, to be honest it wasnt much good, it all depended on the area you shot it, somtimes it sounded quiet and other times there was no difference.
most single barrels usually have a tight choke (3/4 or full), i wouldnt worry to much about the choke and i certainly wouldnt go to the expense of having one fitted, no dissrespect but you would never recoup the money as it would add no value at all, ive never heard anything about it being section 1???