Armed Response in the street.....

[FRENCHI]

Hi Ppl

Today a guy who's house is just behind mine had a mate round showing him is new airgun, They went into the back garden just to have a shot into a bag of rags just so he could show him how chuffed he was with it...You know what it's like, new toy and all that :D....Anyway within 15 Min's of them being in the garden the blardy boys in blue turned up fully armed:eek:..
The guy was arrested and bundled into the car and gone. The guy who lives there came round to my house just to let me know the above (as he is aware I have guns etc) He was gob smacked by it all. The best thing about it all was, he pulled out a piece of paper & said look what the police dropped I read it :eek:........It was only the print out of the 999 call giving all details of the person reporting the alleged incident:rolleyes: including Name, address, phone number, date of birth etc... Guess what it was his 2 faced next door neighbor :mad:. They only went and said that they was shooting at an old lady walking down the street..
I know these guys and know for a fact that this just would not happen from them..besides the back garden is fully fenced off with a 6ft larch lap fencing:confused:
I just found out that the guy was not charged & has been released....

This has now opened my eyes to a few things that has happened regarding being reported in the lat year or so!

ATB

Mick

[mallyally]

Hi Ppl

Today a guy who's house is just behind mine had a mate round showing him is new airgun, They went into the back garden just to have a shot into a bag of rags just so he could show him how chuffed he was with it...You know what it's like, new toy and all that :D....Anyway within 15 Min's of them being in the garden the blardy boys in blue turned up fully armed:eek:..
The guy was arrested and bundled into the car and gone. The guy who lives there came round to my house just to let me know the above (as he is aware I have guns etc) He was gob smacked by it all. The best thing about it all was, he pulled out a piece of paper & said look what the police dropped I read it :eek:........It was only the print out of the 999 call giving all details of the person reporting the alleged incident:rolleyes: including Name, address, phone number, date of birth etc... Guess what it was his 2 faced next door neighbor :mad:. They only went and said that they was shooting at an old lady walking down the street..
I know these guys and know for a fact that this just would not happen from them..besides the back garden is fully fenced off with a 6ft larch lap fencing:confused:
I just found out that the guy was not charged & has been released....

This has now opened my eyes to a few things that has happened regarding being reported in the lat year or so!

ATB

Mick

no christmas card for that twat then ;)

[magicniner]

no christmas card for that twat then ;)

Only if it's in a burning paper bag of dog excrement left on the doorstep after the bell's been rung :D
Nick

[FRENCHI]

no christmas card for that twat then ;)

Definatly not!!!


Only if it's in a burning paper bag of dog excrement left on the doorstep after the bell's been rung :D
Nick

lol!!! :D Human turd is the word!!:D

[Stuart_B]

I'd let all the other neighbours know just what sort of twat that particular neighbour is.

[Baxterbasics]

I'd let all the other neighbours know just what sort of twat that particular neighbour is.

Agreed. Photocopy the police printout and post it around the entire estate:D

Alltogether now:

"Neighbooooours, everybody neeeeds goood neighbooours":D:D

[ateallthepies]

Armed with that print out is there not a case for suing the neighbour for something like slander?


Steve.

[SandyB]

I trust he got his gun back together with an apology?

[SCOTTK]

your not far from me mate, cant bloody believe it!! Problem is what do the police do, they have to respond in case there is any truth in it, basically any piece of sh@te can call 999 and say what they want...

bring back the birch for wasting police time;)

[Steyr]

The offence here is the false accusation.

This is at best wasting police time and should be subject to equal if not greater attention than the alleged incident of shooting at a 3rd party.

Perhaps a strong letter of complaint to the cheif of police may not go amiss here - especially if the persons concerned were completely innocent of any wrong doing.

This potentially is a malicious act on the part of a third party and should attract a severe rollocking if nothing else.

Oh and ensure your mate DOES NOT ACCEPT A POLICE CAUTION. THIS IS tantermount to accepting you committed an offence and has the same potential implications as a criminal conviction.

I think it might also be a good idea for you to call the local nick to get a CAD number and inform them when your shooting and that your neighbour - Mr X - has been known to make calls alleging abuse when all is legal and above board.

I would also be inclined to do some home video to show your actions were perfectly legitimate and that there accusations of deliberately shooting at passers by could not have been misconstrued but was a deliberate lie - back onto our old friend wasting police time etc....

[robinghewitt]

Burning question is, did they drop the paper accidentally or "accidentally" :rolleyes:

[jagxkrs]

Burning question is, did they drop the paper accidentally or "accidentally" :rolleyes:

Agreed, Mick those details should not be available;)

[big louie]

did he get his gun back?

[FRENCHI]

There is no slander as it is the full truth :)....It's all there in writing. He had to hand the piece of paper back though as it was police property...so he was told..

Yes he has the gun back & got a full apology but was told they have to act on such a complaint...

Mick....:)

[joker]

There is no slander as it is the full truth :)....It's all there in writing. He had to hand the piece of paper back though as it was police property...so he was told..

Yes he has the gun back & got a full apology but was told they have to act on such a complaint...

Mick....:)

Of course the Police have to act on such a complaint - forget all the indignation. What to ensure is that there are no files left on record of the guy who was lifted.

[les-goose]

One reason I dont shoot in the back garden ever,I look at it like this most of us are responsible but it only needs one slightly missplaced shot and a ricochet for damage to be done.When the damage has been done its to late then.Dont forget not every one is into guns and some have children and is only natural for them to want them to be safe.I would not be pleased if I heard a neighbour firing an airrifle in the garden having children myself but would not ring the police.I would go round and point these things out and also how it worrys the elderly but if met by what the has it to do with you I would phone-the Ambulance for them.

[harvey_s]

I think it might also be a good idea for you to call the local nick to get a CAD number and inform them when your shooting and that your neighbour - Mr X - has been known to make calls alleging abuse when all is legal and above board.....

Sounds like a good idea - whats a CAD no. though?

[Pod]

...but if met by what the has it to do with you I would phone-the Ambulance for them.

Are you for real? You'd launch a physical assault on someone for legally using an airgun in their own garden?

[Mattockswinga]

I would phone-the Ambulance for them.

bit harsh innit?

[indigo]

just goes to show if you are using air weapons in the back garden plant lots of leylandi to create a screen that blocks out their views. that will pi$$ off nosey neighbours

[les-goose]

Should have put -the f to do with you as usually when you go in a proper manner and are met with that response its the dont give a damn about any thing or one.And yes its legal unless it causes some one disstress or upset.Lets face it the anti brigade are quick to point things out and some are quick to join the band wagon.Excuse the pun I dont like giving them any ammo and belive Im responsible thats why in the garden is a no no.

[magicniner]

One reason I dont shoot in the back garden ever,I look at it like this most of us are responsible but it only needs one slightly missplaced shot and a ricochet for damage to be done.When the damage has been done its to late then.Dont forget not every one is into guns and some have children and is only natural for them to want them to be safe.I would not be pleased if I heard a neighbour firing an airrifle in the garden having children myself but would not ring the police.I would go round and point these things out and also how it worrys the elderly but if met by what the has it to do with you I would phone-the Ambulance for them.

I've been shooting in my back garden for 37 years, I use an adequate backstop - My House.
There is a 7 foot wall to one side of my backstop and a brick garage to the other.
I've asked my neighbors to let me know if they're out in the garden when I'm shooting and the want a kip in the sun and I'll can it for the day. They are very reasonable people and not reactionary.
If I got the response outlined above I'd have to wait until I'd locked away my shooting equipment to respond adequately,
Regards,
Nick

[Mousemann]

Rather than getting stuck into the neighbours, your best tack would be to write to or have a word with the police about their leaving that call sheet lying around.

If you can actually talk to them about this and make them see you're a perfectly responsible person, then they will note that and probably be disinclined to believe any more silly tales about you. And they'll feel very silly for having acted unprofessionally. What they did there is quite a serious breach of their own rules.

Far better than letting it fester.

[The Road Runner]

Sounds like a good idea - whats a CAD no. though?

Computer Aided Despatch, Police speak for a reference number.

[Steyr]

In this instance, I would also add that if you get a "call from a person by the name of Mr X - please call me first before despatching armed response as he has taken this action before and wasted police time alleging events are occurring that are not with malicious intent....."

[Cerebral Chasm]

Mousemann

Sorry, but in what way is this a breach of Police rules?

The police had a tip off that someone was shooting a gun a passers by. They reacted in the correct manner by going fully armed (to protect themselves and the public) and arresting the accused until they could ascertain the facts.

Would you prefer that the tip off had been true and someone got injured? Either the passers by or the police themselves by the shooter if they had attended unarmed?

Whilst it was not a pleasant experience for the poor bloke who got taken away, surely it is better than the police not reacting at all?

I, personally, would rather the armed police were called to my house and took me away than risk that anyone got hurt.

PS...I would have photocopied the 999 call details before giving it back and then pasted it all round the neighbourhood ;)

[Steyr]

I think it was leaving the complainants details that was a breach of police regs.

If this was a witness in a real case, it could prejudice the prosecution and expose a witness to intimidation and reprisal.

[Mousemann]

I think it was leaving the complainants details that was a breach of police regs.

If this was a witness in a real case, it could prejudice the prosecution and expose a witness to intimidation and reprisal.

Correct. That and probably Data Protection.

[Parabuteo]

There is no slander as it is the full truth :)....It's all there in writing. He had to hand the piece of paper back though as it was police property...so he was told..

Yes he has the gun back & got a full apology but was told they have to act on such a complaint...

Mick....:)


Mick, sounds pretty crap, but not untypical.

I have regularly warned folk that no, threatening the so and so with an airsoft, that just happens to be threatening them, while seemingly justifyable, will land them in a whole load of hurt....the boys and girls tend to be pretty booty as they are not supposed to take their hands of their weapons until the situation is under total control.

The whole point of a TFU team or ARU is that they sieze control of a situation as quickly and as deciseively as possible, while avoiding injury to
themselves and members of the public.

I would like to think that the force involved would prosecute the caller, as it sounds like a malicious call at it's worst....but that has to be proven.

What worries me is, what would have happened if (and this is a big IF) your oppo had panicked and, albeit, unwittingly not complied, or given them reason to shoot. upleasant even with a tazer!!:(

Effectively, this cretin has endangered your neigbours life, and personally, I would be seeking every possible legal method of retribution.

Forget burning dog turds, that, satisfying though it may be, would be purile and just escalate things (and bring him down to their level).

I would approach the police, ask their advice, and see if there is any way this idiot can be prosecuted. I would push it too. Your mate has not been wronged by the Police intentionally, but by the foolish and malicious act of the caller. Hoax calls can attract a hefty fine/sentence, and this is no different.

They wont get much credence in future, particularly if it is the same type of complaint.

As regards libel or slander...why not? What was written on the call data sheet was exactly what was reported. It was clearly bull, and intended to get your mate in the mire.

The problem would be proving intent, and whether the caller genuinely thought there was any danger. Obvioulsy, as we all know, a majority of the great unwashed know sod all about firearms and the law, the police know this, and often act accordingly.

That said, as stated, I would take advice, and carry on my lawfull shooting...and ideally have a witness with me or a camera...it depends how far you want to go really. Deffo get the message round the neighbours and stick together...legally;)

Poor sod, what a waste of police time and good clean underwear:rolleyes::o

Please though, cut the Police some slack too, by and large they do a good job. You do get some nobs in any organisation, and they dont refer to firearms jobs as "smelly firearms" for no reason, many dont like dealing, for obvious reasons, but likewise, many shoot themselves and understand that a vast majority of us are legit sensible shooters:D

[Parabuteo]

Correct. That and probably Data Protection.

Yep, although had they gone to posecution the name of the caller would probably have come out in court anyway.

Not much of a case without a key witness:D

[Requoil]

Mousemann

Sorry, but in what way is this a breach of Police rules?

The police had a tip off that someone was shooting a gun a passers by. They reacted in the correct manner by going fully armed (to protect themselves and the public) and arresting the accused until they could ascertain the facts.

Would you prefer that the tip off had been true and someone got injured? Either the passers by or the police themselves by the shooter if they had attended unarmed?

Whilst it was not a pleasant experience for the poor bloke who got taken away, surely it is better than the police not reacting at all?

I, personally, would rather the armed police were called to my house and took me away than risk that anyone got hurt.

PS...I would have photocopied the 999 call details before giving it back and then pasted it all round the neighbourhood ;)

An armed response to an alleged air rifle complaint is acceptable. Maybe its ok for them to throw in a stun grenade before entering!

[steve007]

the guy in question does he talk to the neighbours next door?
i get on pretty well with my neighbours so i dont really have any problems
with shooting my rifle in the garden, but i dont make a habbit of doing it as i dont want to upset them;)

[red bob]

i have been shooting in my back garden for years with only one occasion when a neighbour called round and asked me to take care as his dogs when in the garden became stressed at the sound of even my silenced fenman being fired;the answer was very simple i shoot when i have checked he is out or the dogs indoors and if neighbours are enjoying their back gardens i avoid shooting then also.i am in the middle of a terrace block and shoot into the garden shed through a large hinged flap ,on both sides i have 6ft fences .i consider that having taken into account my close neighbours feelings etc i the have the right to target practise to my hearts content;i do hope there is enough freedom left in this country to enable this simple pleasure!!!.

[Cerebral Chasm]

An armed response to an alleged air rifle complaint is acceptable. Maybe its ok for them to throw in a stun grenade before entering!

You prefer they turned up unarmed and possibly got shot? :confused:

The police have a duty to public safety to act on all reports and treat them as genuine until proved unfounded.

[BigDuncs]

Effectively, this cretin has endangered your neigbours life, and personally, I would be seeking every possible legal method of retribution.

I would approach the police, ask their advice, and see if there is any way this idiot can be prosecuted. I would push it too. Your mate has not been wronged by the Police intentionally, but by the foolish and malicious act of the caller. Hoax calls can attract a hefty fine/sentence, and this is no different.

Absolutely. I would do everything in my power to seek redress from this malicious person. And if it cost me legal fees, so be it.

[Parabuteo]

An armed response to an alleged air rifle complaint is acceptable. Maybe its ok for them to throw in a stun grenade before entering!

Did it actually specify and air rifle on teh CAD? Moreover, how can the public be trusted to tell the difference?

If my lot knew it was an airgun they would send out normal bobbies, it depends on what the caller is and what they know.

My keeper has allready suggested my 410k on a bipod looks like a snipers rifle (not in a negative way, just as a statement regarding knowing who was doing what on the estate).

History is littered with cases of mistaken identity regarding firearms and indiviuals being shot.

I was a SAAI for several years in the mob. It counts for nothing much on paper, but as a result I did handle a hell of a diverse range of...brace yourself now...err..weapons...there, I said it:p....but I think I could tell most, and err on the side of caution otherwise:o

The point is, at the sort of ranges I would expect to be when some idiot was waiving something naughty about that could hurt me, I would most likeley not be able to tell....so I would assume it was a pukka firearm and act accordingly.

Therefore, if we cannot tell, is it reasonable to take the word of a member of the public, or should the police just get on and do their jobs, and prepare for the worst possible scenario?

Not a job I would like to do.

Of course, the tazer helps a bit, but I would rather someone capable turned up, and took decisive control of a situation before it developed, rather than a PCSO turning up and got slotted for their efforts, or delaying the time it takes for someone capable to turn up after some real damage has been done.

The problem is, the Feds have to see the bottom line and work up.

Firearm reported. Turn up hoping it is'nt and all is well, but if it is, be able to contain and disarm with minimal risk to themselves and the public.

Simples:D

[Steyr]

In this instance it is clear that the person alleged against were acting resonably and clearly were not waiving or pointing rifles at elderly folk as they passed down the street.

The callers story to the police is clearly malicious and done woth intent to send officers around to stir things up.

Had I been in attendance and realised this was the case, the complainant would be pressed to make a statement that he physically witnessed the course of action he stated in his call to the station and sign it

Then give him notice that if the case proceeds with the CPS approval, he would be be subject to prosecutuion for perjury and wasting police time should his statement proove to be untrue.

Then give a bollocking when the err's and the but's start to come out.

I cannot stand little mice men like this complainant.

You got something to say then have the testiculars to say it.

[Requoil]

You prefer they turned up unarmed and possibly got shot? :confused:

The police have a duty to public safety to act on all reports and treat them as genuine until proved unfounded.

Yes, the risk of a policeman being shot by an airgun. VERY UNLIKELY. Are you aware of the cases of armed police shooting unarmed public ( That is us ) and KILLING them? Even shooting people with a broom stick in their hands, they being triple chest hit by an MP5. (No police officer losing his job by the way)

I have been shot by an airgun, it is very annoying, but I wouldn't expect an armed response. Are you in the employ of the police, or even an officer?

[SpikeG]

Yes, the risk of a policeman being shot by an airgun. VERY UNLIKELY. Are you aware of the cases of armed police shooting unarmed public ( That is us ) and KILLING them? Even shooting people with a broom stick in their hands, they being triple chest hit by an MP5. (No police officer losing his job by the way)

I have been shot by an airgun, it is very annoying, but I wouldn't expect an armed response. Are you in the employ of the police, or even an officer?

Are you????
God help us if you are.

The report of a unknown firearm being used to shoot at an old lady (however incorrect that statement was) requires a response from an ARV end of.

They have no prior, reliable, information as to what the firearm was. It could just as easily been as far as they knew a shotgun.

The response was in the end in excess of what was required, but they could not have known that in the first instance.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Parabuteo]

Yes, the risk of a policeman being shot by an airgun. VERY UNLIKELY. Are you aware of the cases of armed police shooting unarmed public ( That is us ) and KILLING them? Even shooting people with a broom stick in their hands, they being triple chest hit by an MP5. (No police officer losing his job by the way)

I have been shot by an airgun, it is very annoying, but I wouldn't expect an armed response. Are you in the employ of the police, or even an officer?

Errr

I think it is pretty obvious that some of us are..as you say...in the employ of the police...or yes...even police officers.

Your point is:confused:

The chances of a police officer getting shot by an airgun is, as you say, pretty slim.

I would go so far as to say it is bloody impossible...for any gun to shoot anything, the human interface we refer to as finger is usually required.

Said finger is usually attached to a sensible individual, but this is becoming increasingly not the case.

Sorry, in a bit of a sarky mood I am afraid:o

A rat in a fix will try most things, and that includes shooting at officers with airguns, or whatever comes to hand (my personal experiences include artillery, AK47 and high power catapult...am I qualified enough to comment??)

Re the unarmed public comment...if you do your research again, you will see that in most cases, the officers had good reason to believe the suspect was armed and presenting a danger to life. Not just the officer's, but the general public.

In many cases, the inanimate objects were meant to resemble a weapon at the time (thereby giving the intended victim the heebijeebies and relieving them of their property), but then, miraculously turning into a...well...chair leg should officers turn up and arrest said...err..carpenter.

The problem here is that if the alarm is raised, and the ruse is continued, at what point do the armed officers know they, and everyone else is safe?

At what point does the screaming maniac with the airsoft UZI stop becoming a threat?....when they get away from the police, who bottle it,let him run, only to find he is now holding a child hostage and lo...the gun is real.....how could the silly police make such a mistake:rolleyes:?

If you can answer all of these questions and more, then perhaps it is time to consider a career in the police force.

While you are at it, see if you can find out how many genuine firearms CO19 (look it up) take of the streets a month? See how many times they are called out a month, then see how many times they use their weapons in a year?....you could count the last on one hand, the first question will need several hands.

The whole point of an ARU is to give the target a chance, in a controlled situation, to realise they are on a sticky wicket and give up. this is allied to the more important act of public protection...yes...that's right, the unarmed public ( That is us ) and NOT KILLING them or allowing them to get killed (which is thankfully the usual outcome).

Sadly, sometimes, Darwin intervenes, the target is not compliant (or has gone off showering with mr big), and some poor bugger either makes a bad call in good faith, or rids the world of a dangerous criminal...we usually only hear about the former.

Add a dose of drugs to the offender and things can really take a turn.

Frenchi's mate was unfortuneate to be lied about to the very folk who would be able to assess the situation properly....he is lucky in that respect at least;)

Face it, they are human, they can make mistakes (usually in good faith)but they are also willing to risk their lives in order to actually protect ours and, by default, take it on the chin when things do go wrong as a rule:)

Please, do some research;) TFUs are very expensive to run, and a bit of a potential minefield...surely we would all prefer them to not be necessary, I know I would, but I am glad they are about and that someone is prepared to carry the can if we need them to.

For the record, I am not a copper but staff. What my actual role is for me to know, but I have many friends, coleagues, and family that are either front line officers, firearms, or snipers and I can assure that not one of them ever takes the job lightly, particularly those who may have to pull the trigger.

Now then, that creaking is the sound of fat git on slowly collapsing soap box....i'm off:D

[Parabuteo]

i have been shooting in my back garden for years with only one occasion when a neighbour called round and asked me to take care as his dogs when in the garden became stressed at the sound of even my silenced fenman being fired;the answer was very simple i shoot when i have checked he is out or the dogs indoors and if neighbours are enjoying their back gardens i avoid shooting then also.i am in the middle of a terrace block and shoot into the garden shed through a large hinged flap ,on both sides i have 6ft fences .i consider that having taken into account my close neighbours feelings etc i the have the right to target practise to my hearts content;i do hope there is enough freedom left in this country to enable this simple pleasure!!!.

Not for you the is'nt you old git:D:D:D

Hows tricks:confused:

[DEL67]

A sign of the times.
It's all too easy to get very annoyed when reading about these stories but in this day and age where handguns seem to be easily available, if you know the right people, the constant terrorist threat and the increasing population of nut cases, the police have to be seen to be doing everything possible to protect the public. Unfortunately these stories will become more common. If, however, someone has called the Police and is blatantly trying to cause trouble or a dog walker is trespassing on Farmers land and calls the Police about a dodgy looking man with a gun, they should be prosecuted accordingly.
I am from a generation when the local Bobby would nip things in the bud but as sad as it is, those days have gone, long gone. In general things get better with time, it makes total sense, learn from experience etc. Not in this country! i shall stop there or i'll wind myself up:D.

[red bob]

good god mate how the devil are you para? hiding down there in the forest i last heard sniping at the local bunnies or trundling around with that racing vulture!!
incidently i still get nightmares from what you showed me in that freezer to feed the above.still giving good words of advice i see,what would we do without you;i tell you what though i couldnt be a copper for long not enough restraint dealing with the low lifes they have to cope with.tony says hi and yes we are still sitting in damp ditches blasting away with our cannons.what are you packing these days ,still got the tuned a/a or the hw100? all the best bob.
ps glad to see the job worked out!!!.[mums the word]

[Requoil]

[QUOTE=Parabuteo;3856038]Errr

I think it is pretty obvious that some of us are..as you say...in the employ of the police...or yes...even police officers.

Your point is:confused:

Meaning that an unbiased input would not be possible if you were, having said that, your views do have merit.

[northern35s]

I'm not sure how it would be possible to prove the neighbour was lying, when the police arrived the incident was over, your friend's word against his neighbour, as sad as that is :(

[Garry]

I'm not sure how it would be possible to prove the neighbour was lying, when the police arrived the incident was over, your friend's word against his neighbour, as sad as that is :(

I'd say the absence of a slow moving, pellet riddled old lady was proof enough that the caller was lying, unless the "perp" and his mate are the world's worst shots.

[BigDuncs]

I'm not sure how it would be possible to prove the neighbour was lying, when the police arrived the incident was over, your friend's word against his neighbour, as sad as that is :(

Fair point but I would go far out of my way to make things very uncomfortable indeed for the neighbour. She could have had someone shot by lying to the police like that. And bad mindedness like that should be robustly treated, IMHO. ;)

[Shoves]

Fair point but I would go far out of my way to make things very uncomfortable indeed for the neighbour. She could have had someone shot by lying to the police like that. And bad mindedness like that should be robustly treated, IMHO. ;)

That's very true. Most people tend to flap a bit when they have bang sticks pointed at them. And it can end up with them getting slotted, because they panicked.

[northern35s]

I'd say the absence of a slow moving, pellet riddled old lady was proof enough that the caller was lying, unless the "perp" and his mate are the world's worst shots.

As stated originally:

"They only went and said that they was shooting at an old lady walking down the street.."

No mention of having hit, or injured, we believe the neighbour to have lied by virtue of the OP vouching for the integrity of the accused. The police would turn up and find no evidence of a crime having been commited, that's not to say a crime wasn't commited, there's just no evidence either way, the crime could have taken place or the neighbour could be lying, no proof, no case.

[r.j.s.]

I have not been on here for a while and i can see that nothing has changed at all.
In Nazi Germany folk were 'shopped' by their neighbours for being out of step with the nazi reigime often resulting in death or torture.
I have always belived that one day a tragic error occour as a result malicious calls to the police about "gunmen on the loose".
I would like to get to the end of my days and be told "you were wrong, it never happened". I hope that will be the case.

[Havelock Vetinari]

You prefer they turned up unarmed and possibly got shot? :confused:
.

They did at mine..........................

Knock on front door......................

Me:- Hello officers how can I help you?

Them:- Sorry to disturb you sir, but we have had a report of a man with a gun running around your back garden.

Me:- That's news to me, but feel free to go and have a wander around me back garden! and arrest the bugger!........hang on a mo, where's the mp5's etc..........oh sorry. you are just uniformed street plod!!!:eek:

I give in..........I really do..............supposed armed gunman(woman!) running around in my back garden and they send UN armed officers to investigate.................FFs.............:mad:

I rest my case!

Cheers.

Roy.

[jagxkrs]

They did at mine..........................

Knock on front door......................

Me:- Hello officers how can I help you?

Them:- Sorry to disturb you sir, but we have had a report of a man with a gun running around your back garden.

Me:- That's news to me, but feel free to go and have a wander around me back garden! and arrest the bugger!........hang on a mo, where's the mp5's etc..........oh sorry. you are just uniformed street plod!!!:eek:

I give in..........I really do..............supposed armed gunman(woman!) running around in my back garden and they send UN armed officers to investigate.................FFs.............:mad:

I rest my case!

Cheers.

Roy.

Yeah but where you live a bloke with a gun is a daily occurance, if it had been an RPG you might of got there attention:p:p:D:D

[big louie]

Should have put -the f to do with you as usually when you go in a proper manner and are met with that response its the dont give a damn about any thing or one.And yes its legal unless it causes some one disstress or upset.Lets face it the anti brigade are quick to point things out and some are quick to join the band wagon.Excuse the pun I dont like giving them any ammo and belive Im responsible thats why in the garden is a no no.

the police once came out to see me for shooting my air rifle in the back garden after a report.they saw the old piece of work top at the top of the garden with the target on and decided i had done no wrong,but told me if they were called again even though i was doing no wrong i would be charged with breach of the peace.so that was that

[Parabuteo]

[QUOTE=Parabuteo;3856038]Errr

I think it is pretty obvious that some of us are..as you say...in the employ of the police...or yes...even police officers.

Your point is:confused:

Meaning that an unbiased input would not be possible if you were, having said that, your views do have merit.

Thank you for that, honoured...I mean, to have merit.....no one has ever given me merit before...jees man, you dont understand, I really am touched:rolleyes::D

I am getting a bit tearful as it goes....still, better explain myself eh:)

Unbiased, I think so, given that in spite of the fact that I shoot within view of the general public quite regularly, I have never has an ARU called out.

It may happen, it has as much chance of happening to me as to anyone else as, in spite of the fact I always let control know when I am out and where, a member of the public may still play the bull#### card, and I may still become the unwitting victim of someone with a grudge;)

No, I think the fact that I am "In the employ of the police or something" means that I can give an unbiassed, or at least informed and balanced opinion, as I am in a position to see both sides...and I did point out that I was not an officer;)

I would never support another officer of member fo staff who gave anyone an unfair crack of the whip.

I have actually taken a coleague to task who was called to an airgunner (perfectly legally hunting as it goes) and found his gun bag hidden etc.

The brought it in, and I went a bit bez and pinted out they had now as likeley forced the poor sod to break the law in trying to get home without a bag (although the police nicked my bag is as good a reason as any)...it was returned rather sheepishly with an apology...which was nice;)

[Parabuteo]

[QUOTE=Parabuteo;3856038]Errr

I think it is pretty obvious that some of us are..as you say...in the employ of the police...or yes...even police officers.

Your point is:confused:

Meaning that an unbiased input would not be possible if you were, having said that, your views do have merit.

Requoil mate, cheers for the PM. very eloquent and point taken.

It can be quite embarrassing when some of our coleagues dont do themselves any favours, particulary when the police can be pretty unpopular before the go to such lengths to become even more unpopular.

I was a bit sarcastic...silly...sorry about that:o

I just hope that you soon have a good experience with the feds. To be fair I hear a lot more positive comments than bad, and the bad comments are often down to the way the CPS have dealt with a case once our folk have finished with it.

Still, rotten apples in any barrel:rolleyes:

Enjoy yer airgunning matey:D

[MKay]

all fine an well if you are fit and healthy.

aru do not listen when aprihending a suspect, even if the suspect is unarmed. they mearly shout orders while there trigger fingers take up the travel on the trigger.

they wont accept the fact that due to a disability you are unable to "get on the ground" whilst still keeping your hands behind your head.

and you dont want to risk trying as if you fall they may fire on you "because you were going for a piece"

yes police dont intend to make mistakes but a lack of malice does not bring you back to life does it?

and tasers the new toys for the boys with twichey fingers... there great we can fire them at people without the risk of a mistake.. except when the suspect has severe heart failure but oops its too late again!

and what about this hand cuffing behind the back? its all fine and well unliess you have an ICD which due to your phyisique had to be implanted a little to high. then when the agressive ####er who wont listen to you whips you arm behind your back with enough force to snap a roebucks neck and .. you guessed it ooops! its popped out the incission site and the leads cracked setting of the defribrulation and giving the poor bugger multiple shocks which ooops... causes cardiac arest.

all because the boy in blue isnt a fit and proper person for the task, perhaps its fair that he is paranoid for his own life but he is wearing a vest. and if a suspect is unarmed and is clearly pleading to be heard where is the immediate treat that justifies any kind of physical force?

[jagxkrs]

all fine an well if you are fit and healthy.

aru do not listen when aprihending a suspect, even if the suspect is unarmed. they mearly shout orders while there trigger fingers take up the travel on the trigger.

they wont accept the fact that due to a disability you are unable to "get on the ground" whilst still keeping your hands behind your head.

and you dont want to risk trying as if you fall they may fire on you "because you were going for a piece"

yes police dont intend to make mistakes but a lack of malice does not bring you back to life does it?

and tasers the new toys for the boys with twichey fingers... there great we can fire them at people without the risk of a mistake.. except when the suspect has severe heart failure but oops its too late again!

and what about this hand cuffing behind the back? its all fine and well unliess you have an ICD which due to your phyisique had to be implanted a little to high. then when the agressive ####er who wont listen to you whips you arm behind your back with enough force to snap a roebucks neck and .. you guessed it ooops! its popped out the incission site and the leads cracked setting of the defribrulation and giving the poor bugger multiple shocks which ooops... causes cardiac arest.

all because the boy in blue isnt a fit and proper person for the task, perhaps its fair that he is paranoid for his own life but he is wearing a vest. and if a suspect is unarmed and is clearly pleading to be heard where is the immediate treat that justifies any kind of physical force?

You obviously have an issue here and I suggest you take it up with a Lawyer and your local Chief Constable:cool: