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pintosal
03-05-2012, 02:28 PM
I have just treated myself to a good second-hand Anschutz 1710.

The rimfire bug bit me and I already owned a 1995 CZ452 and a 1958 Brno model 5. Both are in very good condition and both are incredibly accurate.

But I had space in the gun safe. I was impressed with the reputation of the Anschutz, and decided that would be my next purchase.

After much soul searching and trawling through web sites I found this 1710, and yesterday I picked it up.

It's in lovely condition (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) and I can't wait until tomorrow to put a scope on it and shoot it.

First impressions are that it oozes quality. While the CZ and Brno both have a great feel, the Anschutz just feels so much more solid.

The rifle is 2007, as indicated by the AH stamp. It has a double set trigger, which I have not fired before, so I am keen to see how it works out. The barrel appears to be fully floated as a sheet of paper easily passes between the barrel and the stock.

Here are some photos, and over the next few days I will report on how it shoots.

http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz 1710/annie1.jpg
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz 1710/annie2.jpg
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz 1710/annie4.jpg
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz 1710/annie3.jpg

scoie
04-05-2012, 12:37 PM
Thanks a great looking rifle ( i couldnt justify selling my Finnfire , but if i could it would be for an Annie all day long) and i expect it will shoot as good as it looks

cheers

craig

pintosal
04-05-2012, 03:31 PM
Last night I fitted a Hawke Sidewinder 30 8~32 mag scope and gave the bore a good clean. I used a boresnake sized for .22 and it felt quite tight, and I finished with some Hoppes Elite.

This morning it was down to the shooting club. On the menu today was S&K Rifle Match, which does pretty well in my CZ452 and Brno Model 5.

I sighted up at 50 using a table and a front bag. When I got the feel of the rifle, after a few cards I got this nice 5 shot cloverleaf (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz%201710/Anschutz50.jpg).

Next I moved on to the 100 yards and after sighting up and some practice I fired 10 shots on this card (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz%201710/Untitled.jpg)
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So, the rifle itself seems to be very accurate - and I hope to improve to match the rifle's capability.

I think the accuracy comes from 2 features - the barrel and the trigger.

The 1710 comes in 2 barrel flavours, the 1710 D KL and the 1710 D HB. The HB stands for Heavy Barrel which is 23" long and 21mm in diameter, while the 1710 D KL has a 23" barrel and 18mm diameter.

My rifle is the 1710 D KL. Although it does not come with the Heavy Barrel, I would say that it is medium-heavy, and certainly well up to Varmint standards found on CZ and Sako.

This extra weight adds to the stability, and I noticed that it was easier to keep the Anschutz steadier than the lighter CZ452 or Brno.

The second feature is the trigger. My rifle is unusual, having a Double Set Trigger. This takes some getting used to, as it has 2 triggers that perform different functions.
[URL="http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz%201710/annie4.jpg"]http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...710/annie4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77947326@N02/6996528080/in/photostream/lightbox/)

The rear trigger only cocks the front trigger. Squeezing this rear trigger does not fire, but primes the front trigger. This front trigger is quite light, and the manual says it is a hair trigger. Well, it isn't although it can be adjusted to be a hair trigger. But on my rifle it is probably set to about 4 oz, which is light enough to stop it snatching. For huting, when the bolt is cocked, the front trigger alone will fire the rifle, but the pull is about 3 lbs.

This is a 2007 built rifle, and Anschutz no longer offer the Double Set Trigger except on special order.

Next steps for me are to shoot more to get better used to this fine piece of hardware and then to try out some different ammo. I will try Lapua Center-X and Eley Match to see which will group better.

So far, I'm a happy bunny :)

Alycidon
04-05-2012, 09:56 PM
I used to have a 1712STS bought new in the mid 80s. To be honest I think that yours is a 1712 as that has the roll over cheekpiece, the stock might well be a Special Select as well. I thought the 1710 had a stock without the cheekpiece, this is from the current Anshultz site:

This is a 1710, no roll over cheekpiece.

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail&produktID=208

This is a 1712, with cheekpiece.

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=206&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

I would have said your wood quality was better than those in the pics. So I think what you have is a 1712STS. ST = Set Trigger, S = select miestergrade stock

1712 is the top of the line rifle, the STS is the pinnacle so well done, its a fine bit of kit.

The weight of that front trigger is fairly easy to adjust, the importers ( Frank Dyke ?) should be able to provide you with a manual. My front trigger was about as yours weightwise, any lighter and you run into trouble in the winter with cold fingers. Make sure you learn the trigger de cock drill until you can do it in your sleep, practise with an empty gun of course. From memory this used to be, pull rear trigger and hold fully back, pull front trigger with another finger, release rear trigger, release front trigger. That takes the front trigger off the hair setting.

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pintosal
05-05-2012, 02:09 PM
Hi Alycidon

I'm sure my rifle is not a 1712. The Anschutz downloadable catalogue shows the 1710 KL with the identical Monte Carlo stock to mine, and the top of the barrel is stamped 1710.

However, as the pictures show, the wood is very nice, and might well be the specially selected variety.

The rear trigger does not need to be held, and when I pull on this rear it clicks and stays on. Then I can use my index finger to fire the front trigger.

Good suggestion to contact the importers re setting the trigger weight.

You said you used to have a 1712. Presumably you no longer have it? What was your experience with it, and why did you get rid of it?

I can't see myself ever getting rid of it, unless due to drastic circumstances.

Dodder
05-05-2012, 03:09 PM
I have a 1722D bought new in the mid 80's which looks pretty similar to yours. This was my first firearm and I dont ever intend to sell it although it doesn't get much use these days. They are really lovely rifles, terrific quality and a pleasure to own. The only bit I dont like is the daft wing safety which is absolute pants compared to a Sako Finnfire, but I still love it!

pintosal
06-05-2012, 09:52 AM
Ammo Tests

My first testing was with S&K Rifle Match, which gave me a nice touching 5 shot cloverleaf at 50 yards, and sub-1 inch groups at 100 yards.

Next up were the S&K Standard Plus. These are a cheaper grade than the Rifle Match, but the grouping performance seemed to be the same, although I did get the occasional flyer.

So far, that suggests that the barrel is not too fussy.

Next week I will try the Lapua Center-X and Eley Match.

In my CZ and Brno the Lapua groups best of all, followed by Eley. It will be interesting to see what the Annie thinks of these, because the precision shooters at my club all have Anschutz and use Eley Match or Tenex.

frontend loader
06-05-2012, 01:38 PM
That is a very nice rifle and quite rare with the set trigger option.I was looking at one of these for sale over the last few months and almost made an offer.I have three 54 action sporters and love them.Like everyone says the safety is a pain in the arse but apart from that they are a pleasure to own.

pintosal
06-05-2012, 07:09 PM
That is a very nice rifle and quite rare with the set trigger option.I was looking at one of these for sale over the last few months and almost made an offer.I have three 54 action sporters and love them.Like everyone says the safety is a pain in the arse but apart from that they are a pleasure to own.

Can you remember the price of the one you were considering? I paid just over 700 for mine.

To be honest, as I only shoot at targets at a shooting club, the safety is not likely to be an issue. But I must get the hang of de-cocking as I am sure I will need to do that.

frontend loader
06-05-2012, 09:13 PM
Can you remember the price of the one you were considering? I paid just over 700 for mine.

To be honest, as I only shoot at targets at a shooting club, the safety is not likely to be an issue. But I must get the hang of de-cocking as I am sure I will need to do that.

I saw it on one of the internet market places[GT] It was about 750 and it's not on there any more as I just looked,may have been the same rifle then?

pintosal
07-05-2012, 09:14 AM
Yes, I bought this from a dealer who advertised it on Gun Trader, and it was showing at 750. But he eventually came down to 725.

So far, I'm very pleased with it and I think it was worth the money.:)

Alycidon
07-05-2012, 02:05 PM
Hi Alycidon

I'm sure my rifle is not a 1712. The Anschutz downloadable catalogue shows the 1710 KL with the identical Monte Carlo stock to mine, and the top of the barrel is stamped 1710.

However, as the pictures show, the wood is very nice, and might well be the specially selected variety.

The rear trigger does not need to be held, and when I pull on this rear it clicks and stays on. Then I can use my index finger to fire the front trigger.

Good suggestion to contact the importers re setting the trigger weight.

You said you used to have a 1712. Presumably you no longer have it? What was your experience with it, and why did you get rid of it?

I can't see myself ever getting rid of it, unless due to drastic circumstances.



So having set the front trigger to hair and you don't get to fire the shot how do you then unset it ?.

I sold mine for 3 reasons, one was that I was shooting on a golf course and simply needed more firepower for 2nd , 3rd and 4th shots that presented themselves immediatly after the first one. The second was that it was awkward to use from within a 4x4, it was just to long in the barrel and the third was the awkward to use rotary safety catch on the rear of the bolt. I bought a custom 10/22, almost same level of accuracy, as many follow ups as you want and a 14 inch barrel, it did what I needed at the time.

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pintosal
07-05-2012, 02:58 PM
To uncock, I follow the procedure recommended in the manual. Firstly I set the safety on the bolt to the SAFE position, secondly pull the front trigger.

Yes, I can see why a 10/22 would better suit your hunting needs. Sadly, I don't yet have any hunting permissions, so I am restricted to target shooting at a club.

Alycidon
08-05-2012, 06:38 AM
Well you could not have chosen a better tool for that, team it with came good quality mounts and optics, my mounts came from Sportsmatch. I did find the 10 shot clip was the one I used the most.

A

pintosal
08-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Eley Match

This morning I was trying out Eley Match. Weather conditions: light was very dull, and wind light with the odd gusts.

I was shooting at 100 yards, looking for grouping rather than bull's eyes.

This is my best card of 10 shots, and I got a nice group (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz%201710/AnnieEley.jpg) when the wind dropped. On this showing the gun is very accurate, and I'll have to improve to match it.

However, I did notice that the Eleys are less well lubricated than the S&K Rifle Match and Standard Plus. Out of a box of 50 I had 2 mis-feeds when the first bullet in the magazine would not enter the breech properly. I had to remove the magazine and reload the offending bullets. This was not a problem with either of the S&K boxes, which gave me no mis-feeds.

Next ammo test will be Lapua Center-X.

jumbuck
08-05-2012, 04:49 PM
I have had mine for 5 years now and love it still. Mine has the Meister stock upgrade, a very nice bit of figured wood but it still gets used as a working gun :) Has a SAK and a Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42AO which makes for a nice combination!!!!I liked using the 1710 so i bought the 1517 too!!!!

pintosal
09-05-2012, 03:56 PM
Sounds like the ideal combination. The Meister stocks are lovely.

Did you get the barrel screw cut for the moderator?

pintosal
09-05-2012, 03:59 PM
Lapua Center-X test

Today was a good day for shooting. Although the conditions were dull and drizzly, the wind was light.

At the shooting club I set up for 100 yards with a table, and a front bag (UK benchrest shooting does not usually allow a rear support).

The results were very pleasing, with the Center-X grouping well.

My best card on this link got 10 shots in or touching the 1" 10-ring (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/pintosal/Anschutz%201710/AnnieCenterX.jpg). That's the first time I have ever done this.

I had it witnessed, and will be keeping this card.

Next I will strive for 10 in the 10-X centre ring.

jumbuck
09-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Sounds like the ideal combination. The Meister stocks are lovely.

Did you get the barrel screw cut for the moderator?

The barrel was already cut as i bought it S/H and put the SAK Black on plus the Burris. Cost me abit of money getting it all together but well worth it :cool:

pintosal
09-05-2012, 05:20 PM
Just being nosey, but what did the 1710 cost you? Mine was 725

kips58
10-05-2012, 12:11 PM
i have the anschutz 1710 good rifle

bigoak
01-09-2012, 06:37 PM
MI have a 1710 Also. Same stock as yours with the roll over cheek peice. Very accurate, I use mine for Field Rifle and Rimfire Silhouette. It has never ventured into the paoock. I have a Brno for that.

tacfoley
03-09-2012, 10:59 PM
My 1937 Mauser ES350B shoots like that.

It cost me 80.00 and has a x2.5 scope with a cross-hair larger than the appearance of the 8" Shoot-n-See target at 100 yards.

tac

silva
10-09-2012, 08:11 PM
My 1937 Mauser ES350B shoots like that.

It cost me 80.00 and has a x2.5 scope with a cross-hair larger than the appearance of the 8" Shoot-n-See target at 100 yards.

tac

I'm not surprised, the Anschutz is its direct descendent, didn't the Anschutz design originate in the Mauser factory in Oberndorf and was originally intended to be the new post war Mauser action. After the fall of the reich the model 54 action design drawings were saved before the French destroyed the factory and later used by Anschutz.

tacfoley
13-09-2012, 08:55 PM
I'm not surprised, the Anschutz is its direct descendent, didn't the Anschutz design originate in the Mauser factory in Oberndorf and was originally intended to be the new post war Mauser action. After the fall of the reich the model 54 action design drawings were saved before the French destroyed the factory and later used by Anschutz.

I'm not arguing with you, but my pre-war .22 Mauser bolt looks exactly like a miniature Mauser bolt, right down to the side-mounted long-spring extractor, and left-side latch to remove the bolt, just like my two pre-WW1 7x57 Mausers. In contrast, my Anschutz bolt looks very like my 1936 .22 Walther DSM.

I was also unaware that the French destroyed the Mauser factory. I was under the impression that the French had dismantled it and later, under the Allied Forces Control order, had rebuilt it.

tac

Muskett
14-09-2012, 09:22 AM
My three .22's; the centre one my 1710. It cost me 775 in the 80's, plus mounts, plus scope, plus sling, plus 10 round mag, which make it add too quite a sum. But it is worth every penny and accounted for hundreds of rabbits. Accuracy is as accurate as the .22LR allows; at 25m I have to aim off to get the bullet hole to enlarge. It seems to be very un ammo fuzzy though I use Eley which complement this rifle. I don't have a moderator because this rifle seems to shoot "quiet" anyway and the target end thunk seems bigger. Just love mine:

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz128/Muskett_2009/IMG_0430.jpg

One day it will need a stock hand oiled refinish as the stock coating isn't traditional enough for me. The flag safety I can live with as the bolt is quiet enough to carry "made safe" most of the time. The fine Leupold cross plex and up to 16 power mag complement it it too. The only bug bear I have is that the stock is traditional open sight orientated and when used with a scope you have to shoot german head up style. Its not too bad but a varmint style scope stock would make it even better. Bar a Cooper, nothing touches it for pure class and pin sharp accuracy. Pretty too.

silva
15-09-2012, 03:07 PM
I'm not arguing with you, but my pre-war .22 Mauser bolt looks exactly like a miniature Mauser bolt, right down to the side-mounted long-spring extractor, and left-side latch to remove the bolt, just like my two pre-WW1 7x57 Mausers. In contrast, my Anschutz bolt looks very like my 1936 .22 Walther DSM.

I was also unaware that the French destroyed the Mauser factory. I was under the impression that the French had dismantled it and later, under the Allied Forces Control order, had rebuilt it.

tac

Hi Tac,
Your Anschutz is perhaps the 64 action. Its the 54 action the 1710 has, (hope I'm right) !

tacfoley
15-09-2012, 04:21 PM
I was shooting a Model 54 last night at our club, and the bolt, which I inserted and removed and examined closely for defects, looks nothing at all like ANY Mauser bolt.

According to the J G Anschuetz site - the Model 1407 is based on the Model 54 action, but with a heavy barrel and thumbhole stock, non-adjustable pistol grip and the usual for the time aluminium butt hook unit.

Add to that the Unertl-type scope bases and you have my own Model 1407 rifle with the single-extractor claw bolt of the early Model 54 type action.

Best

tac

silva
15-09-2012, 10:42 PM
Hi Tac,
I didn't mean the action was identical to the B series mausers, but that it was designed by Mauser. Check out page 161 of Mauser Smallbores by Jon Speed. It says that the Anschutz 54 action was based on the Mauser model 37 action, which was the most advanced .22 of its day and was intended to be the Mauser factories new post war action and was sold post war to the Anschutz factory by Walter Gehmann, who had worked closely on the design with the Mauser designer Herr Hausser.
Cheers

tacfoley
16-09-2012, 09:09 AM
I see.

I, to, have Jon Speed's book, and you are correct. However, your posit was worded as though they were identical.

We move on.

tac

silva
16-09-2012, 09:44 AM
Hi Tac,
Always been fascinated by the 22mm scopes and mounts used on the prewar German .22's.

tacfoley
16-09-2012, 07:29 PM
Hi Tac,
Always been fascinated by the 22mm scopes and mounts used on the prewar German .22's.

Me, too. The likes of OIGEE and AKAH and their simple but effective mounts are an endless quest of mine in .de.

Sadly, although I have the rifles - a 1930 Walther Model 1 HB, a 1936 Walther DSM and a 1937 Mauser ES350, I have to make do with an original Walther scope and very old P-H rings on the Walther, and a 2.7/70 AKAH in high mounts on the Mauser.

A couple of years ago a gentleman here in UK, who refurbishes scopes and often sells them on, offered me a correct OIGEE and mounts for my Mauser for only 400, but I declined.

tac