Hawke Airmax SR

[Spoon]

Saw these (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/sr/AirmaxSR/index.htm) in one of the Airgun rags. Any one had the joy of using one yet or is it just another gimmick.

BTW I bought Air gunner magazine the other day and the free sachet of oil had bust all over the mag. Took it back to the shop and they were all like it.

[Davestate]

They'd be quite useful if every rifle produce the exact same trajectory with the same pellet, and only one calibre existed, and the wind never blew, and....gimmick mate.:D

[Spoon]

Thought so usual Hype.

[lloyd]

Dont be so quick to judge. Of course they are not a fool-proof answer , but i think they are a good stab at improving reticles, and after you watch the soon to be available DVD showing Nick Jenkinson using them i think you at least applaud the idea and give a begrudging nod to the principle.
Personally I like them, I usually dont like gimmicks myself but im going to put my money where my mouth is and replace my 4-12 sidewinder with one of the new night-eye SR's. Of course If its rubbish then at least I can eat humble pie. :)

[Sub Sea Sniper]

I take it these operate on similar principle to the Hawke MAP Sport HD scopes referred to in previous thread?

Airgunbuyer.com are selling the above for 40 squids for the 6x40. The small print suggest using a 16 grain pellet (for 0.22) and a gun near legal limit. Thats a tick in both boxes for me so I may check it out. Just ordered the free DVD.

Sub Sea Sniper

[lloyd]

Andy

You beat me to it.

[Keith Oakes]

They'd be quite useful if every rifle produce the exact same trajectory with the same pellet, and only one calibre existed, and the wind never blew, and....gimmick mate.:D
I totally agree with you mate. That reticle is a little bit gimmicky & not very practical but I bet it's gonna sell by the truckload. Also, I had a Hawke Airmax 4-12x44 once & the bloody thing broke! I only dropped the rifle it was mounted on a few feet & it was totally buggered! (luckily my rifle was fine) they're supposed to be shockproof so that's the last time I use a Hawke scope. I got an AGS 3-9x40 now & that a much better scope.

[lloyd]

"That reticle is a little bit gimmicky & not very practical "

Have you tried one Keith? I would reserve my judgement until you have used one , and im not being funny, just dont want your statement to affect other people who haven't tried one.

"I only dropped the rifle"

I have had Leupolds break that have only been dropped, as well as AGS, simmons etc , Hawke are a relatively inexpensive brand, and i assure you they are far better than most of the unbranded /cheap rubbish floating about at the moment. I know because i get to see all the returns to the shop. AGS are a good brand though, although i dont find any different in reliability to the airmax percentage wise.

[Davestate]

Same as any other scope with multi aim points; you still need to do range tests, but I'll reserve a real life opinion until I've tested one out in the real world.
As far as optics/build quality go, Hawke are one of the best from the cheaper end of the market.:)

[Flashash]

I've just ordered the free Nick Jenkinson DVD from here: Fast Link (http://www.romancart.com/cart.asp?itemcode=CA3000&storeid=13975)

Anyone seen it yet?

[Sub Sea Sniper]

DVD's are out of stock, back in shortly.

Sub Sea Sniper

[baz]

I have spoken to Deben, they spent a year along with Nick Jenkinson getting this reticule right, to say its a gimmick etc without even looking through one is laughable :rolleyes:

I will wait until I have used one before commenting, but with NJ involved for a year or so I suspect this is going to be rather good

As for dropping the rifle on a scope what do you expect :rolleyes:

This ret is etched and has been tested on magnum springers and CF rifles, sounds good to me :)

baz

[shrendi]

Multiple aim points are always helpfull even if you use the gaps between it will correlate to a known range. Better to be a fraction low of the dot than the greater guess work involved with primary aim off.

[Acerbus]

Hello

I think a greatest advantage is to have a horizontal line at the position on witch you have to aim off the most. In fakt the main reason why I've started to dial the turrets is to have such a line with aim-points.

To the rangefinding it's surely better than to guess, but I see no advantage over the MilDot for a Target-shooter.

I don't think that the aim-points are in an exact position for every gun / pellet combination but the POI will be near by and without testing the hobby would not be as interesting as it is.

Jochen

[Darren Petts]

I have a similar reticle in a Burris
http://www.burrisoptics.com/images/coyote.gif
I get a decent reticle and decent optics. A 30 yd zero on high mounts using .177 Daystates at 770 fps gives aimpoints at 30, 35, 45 and 55 yds to within a pellet-width. The reticle is VERY useful. If Nick Jenkinson has developed the ret it ought to be well sorted though there may have been some compromise between the calibres. I've only ever looked through one Airmax scope however and that didn't have £190 optics by some margin. I hope they've improved on these ones.

[theshooter]

I saw Tony Gibson last week in showingTarget Sports, the new scopes they took my address and sent me one of the DVD's with nick jenkinson showing the new Sr scopes of using a AAS400, I tell you something I keep watching it. They are ment to be arriving later this week I have mine on order all ready, give Deben a ring to see if they have any dvd they can send you.

[Jon Budd]

Looks good to me, shame about the price though - unless it's a lot better optically/build quality than the regular Airmax, a £120 premium for the ret seems a bit steep :eek:

[BoNeS]

dont worry about keith chaps he is the lad who actually mounted his scope the wrong way round at lincoln and then asked me at the zero range why he could not hit anything

now that is laughable :D

[icerock]

The air max sr will happly give you multi aim points on rim & centre fire to, just adjust the mag slightly and your within a nat's.

I like the range bracketing to. The letters intead of numbers offer less confusion and allow you to make you own notes regarding size/distance and they don't get in the way of the main ret.

Good job Hawke.

I can honestly say these guys are realy moving forward.

[Ratpak]

Has anyone actual used one yet? If so your analysis please.

To the shootist, you go for the SR6 or SR12?

[chris ballard]

Did'nt Nick Jenkinson have a lot to do with the AAS4** series? :confused:

They turned out pretty well eh ;)

I would love a scope with some actual meaningfull milldots. My S410 is zero'd for 35m. The next mill dot is at 55-60m :confused: (Hawke prostalk) Bit bloody useless, but it works I guess. Might help if I was very good at judging distances :o

[icerock]

Yup Nick has in short disegned the s400 series which evolved from the 100 through; with his input all the way.

The SR works great for me, ok you may need to play with ammo's a bit to get things running perfect but adjusting the mag even slightly is usaly enough to hit the mark, although I didn't have this problem.

The dvd makes no frills about this, Nick aims off centre, even a bit high or low at times, but he explains why. A reticule can't predict alot of things, like wind for example however it can give you the best chance avaliable under such situations.

The SR really closes down thoes error margins with out loads of clutter.

Although designed around air rifles running 12flbs it still works great on my rimfire.

[Davestate]

Just watched the DVD, seems ok for bunny bashing as long as the bunnies all have 3" long ears. :p Must remember my vernier caliper for future hunts, might even get some tips from Dr. Doolittle so I can ask said bunnies permission to measure them before hand.:D

[Wraith]

Excellent for a novice, not quite so much use (or versatile) for an experienced shooter.

Mil dots work for any trajectory and any mag - you just need to know your aim points. x10 and .177 drops 1/2 mil dot every 5 yards (roughly)

[baz]

I watched the DVD last night and the ret looks pretty good to me, the optics have been upgraded too

Looking forward to one myself :)

Baz

[Davestate]

Must add the the optics looked very good, bearing in mind there's a camera strapped to the eye end to give the users view of the ret. :)

[Sub Sea Sniper]

The non equal spacing on the mildot section of the reticle seems to make a lot of sense, especially when using a 0.22 gun. Not so sure about the rangefinding reticule.

I'm gonna go for the Hawke Sport HD MAP 6 x 40 which is only £40. Waiting for my local shop to get them in stock, Deben are running a bit low.

I like the idea of a fixed mag scope for this reticle, it is after all set up that the mildots will correspond with the quoted distances at 6x mag so it seems rather pointless to me to spend more on a zoom.

Interesting concept, hope it works in execution.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Darren Petts]

it is after all set up that the mildots will correspond with the quoted distances at 6x mag so it seems rather pointless to me to spend more on a zoom.


You are therefore relying on the inherant compromise between .22 and .177 working out spot-on for your particular gun. The zoom option does give you the ability to fine tune the lines to intersect the trajectory in the best possible manner for your set-up.

[zztop]

My DVD is on its way.

For hunting which one would you go for.

Airmax SR6 3-12x44 AO
or
Airmax SR12 6-18x44 AO

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Darren, good point, never really thought of it like that. Might mean I have to spend and extra £15, darn.

Sub Sea Sniper

[lionel]

I had a look through a Hawke last night - don't know which one it was - it had a large objective bell, PA and illuminated mildot reticle. The image was very dim and milky and only the central portion was remotely clear. I was full of admiration that the guy could hit anything using it. Swapping back to my Meopta 7x50 afterwards was like having a sheet removed from my eyes. You may argue that mine was much more expensive, but my scope cost me 150 pounds on here (thanks Garagun!), so people don't have to put up with rubbish if they don't want to.

Lionel

[Darren Petts]

My DVD is on its way.

For hunting which one would you go for.

Airmax SR6 3-12x44 AO
or
Airmax SR12 6-18x44 AO


Neither - unless the Airmax quality of optics has dramatically increased. For hunting I'd get a scope with decent light transmission over one with (possibly) a good reticle.

[Maverick]

Neither - unless the Airmax quality of optics has dramatically increased. For hunting I'd get a scope with decent light transmission over one with (possibly) a good reticle.


I Will wait as there are a few people on here who are getting the scopes, im sure they will post their findings on here.

[cr*pshot]

I got my DVD yesterday - superbly filmed, excellent commentary from NJ, but as for the scope, I think I'd give myself a headache trying to remember everything! I can just see loads of people sitting camo'd up under hedges trying to find the right page (or volume) in the instructions, or fast forwarding on their portable DVD player. Now that's a thought, how about a Mk II version with built in DVD player and head-up display??

I'm not knocking it, I can see a lot of the more technically minded on here getting on great with it, it's just that for me the only thing that works is endless practice until rangefinding and holdover/under becomes second nature (one day.......).

[rockdrill]

In terms of the quality of the optics on the new SR scopes, if the prototypes that Nick has shown me are anything to judge by then they are better optics.

The reticles are etched and amongst the best examples I have seen.

Perhaps before pre-judging these scope based on the badge try going to a shop and having a look at them you might be pleasantly surprised.

Dale

[Gren]

Is there more on the DVD than the download ?

It's a good idea, and I'd hope that with Nick involved in the implementation it will be a good scope. There will be trade-off's between 0.22 and 0.177, but probably adjusting the mag on the scope (higher for 0.177) will work - as you mil-dot users will appreciate.

I think that HTF is going to see a lot of these on the courses.

I would assume that they would actually have a much larger market outside of airguns, because live rounds are much more predictable overall.

Well done, and good luck to all those involved.

[Acerbus]

Hello,

Can anyone give a statement about the optical quality?

If compared to the Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40

Is it equal :eek: / slightly inferior :o / much poorer :( / blurred all over :mad: / not worth to look through :confused:

Jochen