Career 707 Mk3 .25 Fac.

[verminhunter]

After shooting it on sat and sun to finalise the results of this rifle which I brought mid dec I must say the performance is outstanding,around 70 useable shots,46 51ftlb shots then they start to drop off but you can turn the wheel to keep power up with 50bar left in the tank makes this rifle a very economical tool from its 380cc air-tubes.

But it was'nt all rose's at first,this korean made rifle needs a good gun-smith to check the internals as I did,I gave it to Ben Taylor who did some master work inside it,cleaned parts and replaced a few O rings,took a 3rd off the hammer spring and also adjusted the power-wheel so instead of starting from 33ftlb up to 81ftlb it now starts from 23ftlb to 71ftlb (chrono checked).With this sort of adjustment plus the trigger the cocking method feels much lighter and easyer.

Gun at home now after ben finished the work,can't zero it in,have a AGS 3X9X50 TRU HUNTER on it,no good,shots going all over the place,checked the silencer to see if it's clipping pellets nope silencer is ok,took it off the same,spoke to Ben told him also the readings from the chrono,can't understand it,spoke to KevG about the problem .Looking at the Career web the rifle is packed with alsorts of grease to prevent it from rusting up until sold and shipped to other parts of the world,the barrel needs a good clean to wash out a film of anti rust prevention grease,so I did, zeroed the rifle now too low,adjusted the turret no more on the turret,spoke to a few persons but most of all KevG and put 2 strips of negetive film on the back mount,perfect.

Saturday morn took also my 7lt bottle and all my gear and went down the farm,40yards I mesured and placed my target at the board, leaned the rifle on the high stool and fired into 1p circles,could'nt belive the accuracy,every circle was having a pellet put inside it,4up,4down 3 to the right and left and 1 in the middle of the paper, did this 4 times and each circle had 4 pellets inside.

Now there is a few things to becareful,the rifle to be filled to 180 bar Not 200,cause the first 10-12 shots are too high and dont group as well,next the barrel needs a clean every 100-120 shots,very easy.The silencer is a Joe young and is the mutts -nutts,nothing else would take this power,the pellets are HN Diabolo Barracuda xtra heavey(31gr) they look like Bis Mags .22 but much bigger.

I just like to say Thanks Ben this is now a very nice rifle to use,not everyone's cuppa tea but as I have my Rapid and Mfr fully tuned together with my Eliminator I wanted something compleatly diffrent,a diffrent cocking method and feel and this rifle did it for me,a nice finish which it looks like a shot-gun at first glance,make no mistake this does what it say's and boy it sure does that.

The thing that got me was the accuracy,some said it's pellet fussy,some said the .25 cali is rubbish ,trejectori is bad and so on and so on,well I went out as far as 100yds and was hitting the decoy pigeon all the time (7shots) with 2mill dots up,guns running at 51ftlb 860fps and to me that is very very flat,I also have a knock-down target with a 40 mill circle and out of 7 shots 2 will knock it down and the other 5 around the steel plate,not bad at all.
It may not group tight at 100 yads but it certainly hit it's target with force and at 50's and 60's and 70's it impressd me so much I had to give it a review.

I know it's not a Rapid or a Daystate but It holds it's ground and holds it very well.Built wise not bad,nice bluing and a oiled walnut stock with the western style look and fast -firing this is one rifle a vermin-controler needs,closest your going to get to a rim fire ,turn the power-wheel up and you see this baby turn into a awsome tool,this take's no runners at all,woodies and rabbits are stopped in their tracks instantly,no over kills with this bad-boy,Yep I've got all my tools now and yep I'am very happy with the results.


Rifle now Sold.Thank you all for your inputs and a big thanks to RapidNick for the photos.

[Rapidnick]

Thanks Costas-very helpful.:)

[verminhunter]

Thanks Costas-very helpful.:)




Told you I'd do a review nick.
My fingers are a bit sore,not use to typing or shall we say
rabbiting for that long.:D

[some bloke]

Sounds good to me :D

[verminhunter]

Sounds good to me :D


Thank-You some bloke.:)

[kevG]

you will have to learn how to do paragraphs,ive just read the same line ten times:D glad you are all sorted:)

kevG

[Rapidnick]

you will have to learn how to do paragraphs,ive just read the same line ten times:D glad you are all sorted:)

kevG

Don't be mean to poor old Costas. He is, as we Londoners say, a 'bubble' after all!:D :D

[verminhunter]

you will have to learn how to do paragraphs,ive just read the same line ten times:D glad you are all sorted:)

kevG



For you to have read the same line ten times my review must have had you riveted.:D :D

ps.How'd you find my review Kev?:)

[kevG]

For you to have read the same line ten times my review must have had you riveted.:D :D

ps.How'd you find my review Kev?:)

entertaining,but ten lines to long:D nice review m8,makes me want to go out and buy a daystate:D just jesting;) nice work.
kevG

[verminhunter]

Don't be mean to poor old Costas. He is, as we Londoners say, a 'bubble' after all!:D :D



Yes, true, I'am a bubble but, I do have other distinctions .
And they are that I am renown for my valued gift's -"Greeks baring gifts".:D :D

[verminhunter]

entertaining,but ten lines to long:D nice review m8,makes me want to go out and buy a daystate:D just jesting;) nice work.
kevG


Thank you very much KevG,any greeny points?:D :D

[kevG]

Thank you very much KevG,any greeny points?:D :D

go on then:D

kevG

[verminhunter]

Very decent of you old boy. No Joking,I do value your opinion. Thanks KevG.:)

[kevG]

Very decent of you old boy. No Joking,I do value your opinion. Thanks KevG.:)

you will say owt for a green un:D

kevG

[Gren]

Well done Costas, thanks for taking the time to write it up, and glad you are a "happy bunny" although I bet there are many that soon won't be :D

Told you they're nice with the trigger and hammer mods aren't they !?

[verminhunter]

Well done Costas, thanks for taking the time to write it up, and glad you are a "happy bunny" although I bet there are many that soon won't be :D

Told you they're nice with the trigger and hammer mods aren't they !?




Thank-you Gren.:)
Errm,any chance of some greeny points please.:D Cheers.

[Rabbit Sniper]

Thank-you Gren.:)
Errm,any chance of some greeny points please.:D Cheers.

One from me.:D

[verminhunter]

Thank-you Rabbit-sniper.:D

[lionel]

Yep I've got all my tools now and yep I'am very happy with the results.

All your tools Costas? Isn't there a rifle you have on order that you're forgetting.;) ;)

Lionel

[verminhunter]

All your tools Costas? Isn't there a rifle you have on order that you're forgetting.;) ;)

Lionel




Have I?, would you like to tell me,cause it's news to me .
How did you find my review?
Any chance of some greeny points please,thank you Lionel.:D :D

[lionel]

I thought your review sucked Costas.

Lionel :D

[verminhunter]

I thought your review sucked Costas.

Lionel :D




I take that as a "Yes" you thoroughly enjoyed it.:D
See I know how your Theoben mind works.:D :D

[Stephen]

Hello all,
Just wondered if you had ever concidered the Sumatra?

How many shots do you get at variouspower levels?

Many thanks,
Stephen.

[verminhunter]

Very nice rifle too the sumatra but they dont do a .25 and
power-levels dont reach those of the career.:)

PS.shot count is also not that good as the career.

[flims]

i realy enjoyed the post and having one my self i can confirm most of what was said. its great to get a long review on the matter. if you manage to shoot some long range groups post some photos. im curious to what you can do with that 0.25. mine is in 0.22

[verminhunter]

Thank-you Flims,it's nice when some-one thanks someone
for their effort.:D
Terry Doe have you got ant vacancies please,would prefer
reviewing Air-Rifles,free-lancing also considered. :D :D

[kevG]

kevG

delieted

[verminhunter]

Thats better.:)

[rigbymauser]

Dear Mr Vermy!

So you are hiding yourself overhere!:)

I was on a wild goosechase here on the forum, and by accident came across
your thread!:D

First, I feel bad i haven`t complimented your rifle yet as you have with mine
,but CONGRATULATION WITH YOU BTAS CARRIER!:) :) :) :)

Exellent caliber:cool: , could`nt have done any better myself:p

I am working on my 50grain bullets, and once(soon) i have something that actually works perfect in mine, I`LL mail some samplebullets to you.
I am playing with 3 different diameters in sizes, and i believe here soon I`LL have something that will do VERY accurate, and fit perfectly in the barrel!

Keep your powder dry:eek:

your .25cal mate(hahaha)

[verminhunter]

Thank-You rigby me 'old cocka,glad you liked my thread.
Look forward to those pellets .I found the barracuds very accurate but one thing I know is that the barrel needs a clean every 70-100 shots now that I've got the power up turned up to 56ftlb 900fps with the 31gr pellet,also the same time I clean the barrel I clean the silencer also,I think it's to do with the powerful blast the pellet is getting from behind and also that there is more lead and less tin in this pellet as some other pellets have more tin mixed up when their made thats what I was told due to the fouling of the barrel and silencer.
This is as you know yourself now a awsome cali and made for huntting and with that sort of power keeps that pellet nice and flat,I'll like to try those 50gr and see the results.
Enjoy your shooting and huntting.:)

[verminhunter]

Now fitted a hawk-nite eye 3x12x50 illum mill-dots for lamping.

[verminhunter]

Also with the hawke-nite-eye did'nt need to put though's strips of negetive film in btween the mount and scope,zero'd only after 12 shots.A nice scope for the money too.:)

[verminhunter]

The silencer now has uk neil's internals and man has he shut this loud baby up,very impressd with the mans work,this is a loud rifle and the joe young silencer did work well but after this uprate I've got to take my hat off to mr neil.;) :)

[County_Est]

Hi verminhunter,

Is this a rifle or carbine version of the Career, as I have a Mk II carbine and may be looking to up it to FAC sometime in the future.


Trev:D :D :D

[verminhunter]

Rifle,carbine wont give you alot of shots and wont reach high powers like the full length version.

[g60bv]

do you have any pic of these rifles. as i've never seen one. i too love the .25. very underrated.
pooh trajectory. nah.

just get more power..!!:D

[verminhunter]

I am sorry no pics. But as an air- rifle go's you cant beat it that's for sure,I love me rapid,I love me mfr,but for power I love me career.Any more questions?

[Russ6357]

Anyone played with an Eliminator in .25?

Baz must have?

I wondered if - due to its, urm, mass - .25 was mainly a PCP cal.

[verminhunter]

Not really,you can use a .25 in a springer but close range around the 30-35 yds,but for lond range power and accuracy it's got to be a pcp and blowing the pellet out at around the mid 50's ftlb,this sort of power with barracuda's 31gr give a very good tight grouping at range's futher then the mid 30'syds,accurate and powerful.
What I found is that at these high power's combined with the .25's need a barrel clean around the 70-100shots otherwise groups open up big time and accuracy go's to pots.

[richness]

Nice one mate - great review thanks :)

[flims]

What I found is that at these high power's combined with the .25's need a barrel clean around the 70-100shots otherwise groups open up big time and accuracy go's to pots.

do u actually have to strip the rifle to have the barrel cleaned?? because that would take some work and then ude have to rezero the rifle and so on. the way i thought it has to be done is to remove the cover of the breech remove the shuttle that moves the pellet from the mag to the barrel and then u can see the actual hole of the barrel. is there a better way of doing this and if so how should i do it and what kit should i buy? i think my barrel needs a good clean as the groups have opened big time and this was totally abnormal as my previous groups were 1" at 60 rested and a weak ago they went to 3.5" at 55yards. im shooting 5.52 in fac. the barrel has had about 600 pellets through it. your advice would be greatly appreciated.

[verminhunter]

Right, the first thing to do is to shoot the rifle down to just under 100bar,then take off the silencer and cock the rifle bringing back the leaver to the middle position so you see the single loadind port being down ready to load a pellet.
Get a cleaning rod and spray wd40 or barrel cleaner on the wad(the bit that gets screwd at the end),push it inside and turn as you go in,bring it out and wipe it clean on a kitchen paper towel,you'll see the lead and this will tell you when the barrel is cleaned when you dont see anymore lead.Also get a pull-through,get a patch and spray cleaning soloution,pass the pull-through down the barrel until it come's through the single loading port ,put the patch on it and pull it through the barrel,also pass the rod a couple of times through the silencer too.
Fire the rifle without the silencer on a few times and then put the silencer back,run through a couple of pellets and that should lead the barrel up,zero the rifle to make sure accuracy is back on song,this will only take you 10mins after you done it a few times making sure you clean it often,the first time will take you a while to brake the back of it,too much lead build-up will have to be removed.Good Luck.

[Rapidnick]

Anyone played with an Eliminator in .25?

Baz must have?

I wondered if - due to its, urm, mass - .25 was mainly a PCP cal.

Buddyboy has one in .25. It is obviously 'loopier' than .22 but a very effective rifle in the right hands.:D

[Jon Budd]

Buddyboy has one in .25. It is obviously 'loopier' than .22 but a very effective rifle in the right hands.:D

It's great out to around 50 yards, which is as far as I'm happy to hunt with a "springer" :)
I use H&Ns or Mosquitos (20 grains), which gives around 800 fps and great accuracy at these ranges...

[verminhunter]

Not bad going buddyboy in .25,I've had mine now for 6months and still learning its trejectory(I hope I've spelt it right) but as I learn it opens a diffrent view to this cali with some terrifc results.

[Rapidnick]

Not bad going buddyboy in .25,I've had mine now for 6months and still learning its trejectory(I hope I've spelt it right) but as I learn it opens a diffrent view to this cali with some terrifc results.

T R A J E C T O R Y:) :) :)

Just thought I'd let you know!:D

[verminhunter]

T R A J E C T O R Y:) :) :)

Just thought I'd let you know!:D




Thank-you nick,where would I be with-out my English teacher.:D Only an "A" out.Whats one "A " between friends.

What are you doing know? fancy a meet.?

[verminshooter29]

had the 25 hi power in my hand i think it has pain wrote all over it.what sort of damage has this on a crow about 50 yds and can you give me a run over on the trajectory again please, how far does aiming dead on carry? thanks

[verminhunter]

had the 25 hi power in my hand i think it has pain wrote all over it.what sort of damage has this on a crow about 50 yds and can you give me a run over on the trajectory again please, how far does aiming dead on carry? thanks





I dont fully understand your question/questions but I'll try and answer them as best I can.

1.Damage to a crow? whatever my 34ftlb rapid does so does the career say at 50ftlb,yes a louder whack,yes a larger hole but both kill at that range.
2.Trajectory is something you have to master with the rifle
using the power-wheel,I found 55ftlb 895fps 31gr barracuds was spot on,I zerod the rifle at 35yds at 50yds cross-hair,60 1dot at 70 2dots up,it will drop quicker cause of the weight so thats why 900fps is good for the pellet,at higher levels the pellet wont group well but 50-55yds the rifle performs very well.
The only gripe I have with the rifle is getting to know its sweet-spot,once reached the rifle is very accurate so what I've done is left the rifle with John Bowkett and see if he can do something to the internals so I've got a more steady flow of power not moving the wheel up or dove every x amount of shots,this was doing my brain in,you have to be very much on the ball with this bad boy.
I must say this is the most poweful rifle I've ever shot and tell you what I do like it,a real banger it'll drop them all day long,stop's them stone-dead in their tracks that I must say and the cocking action is terrific,cant wait to see what JB's gona do to it but I'am sure it'll be worth it.:D
Hope that answers your questions.

[tubs6]

great review mate very honest,and helpfull answerd allot of questions.:)

[verminhunter]

great review mate very honest,and helpfull answerd allot of questions.:)



Thank-you Mr tubs6, may my review serve you well.:)

[verminhunter]

Got rifle back from JB,he did'nt do anything to the rifle as he was very busy,anyway I took the rifle out yesterday and today and did some tests of my own.The thing I noticed is that as you hold the rifle walking around the farm and into the woods without my fault the power-wheel moves a notch from time to time AND this is where my problem has been,so I set it up to 875fps on barracuds and taped the wheel down so it dont move any more,with this set up now I fill to 185bar and get full-power 42 shots without turning the wheel up,just left it alone .Cause what was happing was that say 2-3 mags I also turn the wheel up to try and keep around that power-level and this was moving my poi
so now I taped it up I went out shooting today and tell you what I really missed it and its power,wheel dont move around and 6 mags at 7shots a mag thats 42 very powerful shots.When I re-fill it's down to a 100bar so I've used up 85bar to fire 42 shots at 53ftlb and thats 2bar per-shot,I'am pleased with the running now of the rifle and I found you dont have to clean your barrel say after a hundred shots,I've done 300 shots and rifle is spot-on,it was me the plonker where the wheel was brushing against my clothes it was moving the power up or down and where you think you've set it at say the green dot it can turn right round and end up on the green dot but with power up 10-15 ftlb.Never mind better late then never.:D

[verminshooter29]

have fun with it wished i lived close to you would love to try it out

[verminhunter]

I've just opened my pm box and cant belive that alot of guys with the career have or did have this problem with the power wheel turning,and afew with .25's.Just like to say thanks mickc for that info on the target stock,I did'nt know that keeps you from accidently touching the wheel or brushing against clothes ect,so taped the wheel down with camo tape and it works perfectly and its staying on for good.;) :D

[mickc]

I've just opened my pm box and cant belive that alot of guys with the career have or did have this problem with the power wheel turning,and afew with .25's.Just like to say thanks mickc for that info on the target stock,I did'nt know that keeps you from accidently touching the wheel or brushing against clothes ect,so taped the wheel down with camo tape and it works perfectly and its staying on for good.;) :D

If this link works you should be able to see a picture of it http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=642

[verminhunter]

have fun with it wished i lived close to you would love to try it out






I know,but why dont you sell up and move down here in North London.:D
ATB. Costas

[verminhunter]

If this link works you should be able to see a picture of it http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=642






You know what,when I first set out to buy a career I took
a fancy to the target stock also cause someone told me they load much nicer and are easier to cock and abit more faster but my luck they discontinued that modle and only just started to bring in the mk3 which is what I've got,you know the one with a lip turned up at the fore-end,there's a name for them but I cant spell it but go's something like
shnnapple fore-end,dont laugh:D something along those lines.Nice one mick.;) :)

[lionel]

... I've got,you know the one with a lip turned up at the fore-end,there's a name for them but I cant spell it but go's something like
shnnapple fore-end,dont laugh:D something along those lines.Nice one mick.;) :)

Schnabel. Muppet.

Lionel:D

[Rapidnick]

Schnabel. Muppet.

Lionel:D


Wasn't Schnabel Muppet Miss Piggy's gay lover???:p

[verminhunter]

Wasn't Schnabel Muppet Miss Piggy's gay lover???:p






Trust you to think along those lines,I better becareful when I come round your for a tea and a shoot otherwise you might take advantage of me.;) :D :D

[verminhunter]

Schnabel. Muppet.

Lionel:D





Shnapple schnable sounds all the same to me.:D

[verminhunter]

Just to up-date on the career.
Have you ever had the problem with the extra mag loaded that 9 times out of 10 the spring slips out of it's slot and push's out all your pellets,well I've thought about it for a while and trying to work out what or how to remedy this as sometimes when I take the rifle out the I also load up the spare mag and wrap it in a small nylon bag but you have to be careful as a slight touch on the loading spring which you pull back and lock it in place pops out and the spring throws out all your pellets.Not good if your hunting and you need to load up quickly.

So the other night I had some plastic moulding tube used in shower cubicles,its white and it holds up the shower-head.While looking at it I thought of something,I cut the tube in half,slid it through the top and bottom of the mag,I then cut a piece and super-glued the edge,I then turned it up-side down and glued the other side.

This now holds the piece's together and it slides in and out perfect.I then cut another piece of hard plastic with a small hack-saw and glued it to the end so that it stops the mag from A. unloading itself and B. your pellets are not thrown out.

I then got some black hemeright paint and painted the mag cover which is all white,left it to dry and tried it out just now and its lovely,workes really well,I marked one side with some red paint as the magazine is not properly square'd off due to the way its been made to load into the rifle's side.

Now I can take the extra mag with me all loaded up and not need to worry anymore about having a mag ready.
I pull the spring back and lock it in place,then a put the pellets down the mag get my mag cover slide the mag inside and presto,even if it come's out of its locking position the spring now cant push pellets out and cause it is flush with the end of the mag it dont even move just click the spring back in and your ready to load,also its a nice snuge fit not too tight or lose,really brilliant and this will help alot of career boys who carry a xtra mag when out hunting.ATB.

ps.Sorry I cant do piccys.

[Trakker]

superb rifle..knock em flat at 60-75 yds..
comfertable, ease of use, great action..(dunno about that 'joe y' silencer tho )..

luvvvin it!! :)

[verminhunter]

superb rifle..knock em flat at 60-75 yds..
comfertable, ease of use, great action..(dunno about that 'joe y' silencer tho )..

luvvvin it!! :)







I keep telling them but they wont have it trakker.:D

They are superb rifle I must say and fully agree with your statement.

The joe-young silencer is good but as I said I had uk-neil fit his internels inside which has made a improvment ,they are loud rifles especially in high power levels,JY 's internels had like a "Twang" effect where as uk neil's has a "thud" but at the 40yds you cant hear the rifle being fired.

Glad you like the career,they are a real hunting tool with-out a doubt.

[gregs]

Top guns I have one on fac and it's firing at full 80lb it's awesome and reasonably accurate at full power. They are not everyones cup of tea but 707 shooters would not swap them, ok thirsty on air but they are a beast.

[Graeme]

Just had my .22 cal uprated by Sam to fac spec, trigger sorted etc and the surprising thing is it gains a whole 10 fp over biz mags when fed 30gr Piledrivers.:D

[verminhunter]

Just had my .22 cal uprated by Sam to fac spec, trigger sorted etc and the surprising thing is it gains a whole 10 fp over biz mags when fed 30gr Piledrivers.:D









Has it arrived yet!.
Yes piledrivers would do due to their weight,found that out when we did some tests with the sumatra set at 50ftlb with bis mags ans went up 60ftlb with the piledrivers and performed very well and accurate too.
Give us a shout when you get it ,nice one.

[flims]

since you are also running a .25 in the 50'sft/lbs region ide like to ask if you notice any muzzle flip. my Infinity is significantly lighter than my career tanker and whenever i shoot it off hand or sitting i feel a significant muzzle flip so much so that i notice i hit an inch higher many times because of this. infact i thought that i was only the one to notice it but a few days ago i had 2 people asking me if the muzzle does produce a flip. does this occur to you? how much would one of those muzzle flip compensators from UK NEIL help?
some weaks ago i installed a bubble on the scope and i made sure it was true to the reticle. i did some testing yesterday making sure there was no canting. the results where impressive. i had a 3 shot group of 0.44" at 50meters and a 3 shot group of 0.6" at 60m. there was only a mild breeze. the is to further show that these rifles are not just power but the accuracy is very much present. i did not modifications to the trigger, i just added a trigger shoe. on good days groups of an inch are also possible at a 100 yards. i will upload the photos.
here is the group at 60m. http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/215894972.jpg
here is the one at 50m. http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/215894969.jpg
just a reminder - this is the rifle http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/183263035.jpg
thats not a match rifle by the way:) i realy have to film one of the sessions at the range so i could upload it.

[Graeme]

Has it arrived yet!.
Yes piledrivers would do due to their weight,found that out when we did some tests with the sumatra set at 50ftlb with bis mags ans went up 60ftlb with the piledrivers and performed very well and accurate too.
Give us a shout when you get it ,nice one.

Yep, sure have:) but have been up to my neck:( so

Having now had an hour trying out Sam's newly fettled Career 707 mk2 it's spitting out .22 cal Piledrivers at 60+ fp. ... It's absolutely awesome .... Got it grouping nicely at forty yards. Triggers LOADS better than before, really pleased with it:cool: . Now all i have to do is get some serious practising in, looking forwards to that . ... and if it wasn't for Xmas i'd probably be outside still playing. Ok it was the wife moaning that ended play, things to wrap labels to write, giant inflatable Santa's to inflate and not forgetting over excited fighting kids to separate oh hum....Bug!

The Piledrivers are positively dangerous at this power level, so i'm now having to think more about what's behind my targets. At 80 yards shooting stones on a field i'm getting serious ricochets with real power behind them . These pellets do not want to slow down !


Cheers, Graeme

ps, Films

Nice shooting !

[verminhunter]

since you are also running a .25 in the 50'sft/lbs region ide like to ask if you notice any muzzle flip. my Infinity is significantly lighter than my career tanker and whenever i shoot it off hand or sitting i feel a significant muzzle flip so much so that i notice i hit an inch higher many times because of this. infact i thought that i was only the one to notice it but a few days ago i had 2 people asking me if the muzzle does produce a flip. does this occur to you? how much would one of those muzzle flip compensators from UK NEIL help?
some weaks ago i installed a bubble on the scope and i made sure it was true to the reticle. i did some testing yesterday making sure there was no canting. the results where impressive. i had a 3 shot group of 0.44" at 50meters and a 3 shot group of 0.6" at 60m. there was only a mild breeze. the is to further show that these rifles are not just power but the accuracy is very much present. i did not modifications to the trigger, i just added a trigger shoe. on good days groups of an inch are also possible at a 100 yards. i will upload the photos.
here is the group at 60m. http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/215894972.jpg
here is the one at 50m. http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/215894969.jpg
just a reminder - this is the rifle http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/9130733/183263035.jpg
thats not a match rifle by the way:) i realy have to film one of the sessions at the range so i could upload it.








Hi Flims ,no I dont get a muzzel flip on my career.The rifle is set now at 47ftlb 830fps with the .25 barracuda's and found it performed extremly well with the sort of groups your getting at 50 60 and 70 yds.I've not cleaned the barrel for over 400 shots and its accuracy is perfect.The rifle now is filled to 180bar (2600psi) and gives me 35 accurate shots,the power wheel is taped down at the said level and to my amazement this rifle is as accurate as my rapids and hornet,whatever they do this one does too,very accurate and I'm so happy and relieved from all this messing around,moving the power wheel,filling to 200bar,adjusting the wheel every mag,thinking barrel needed a clean and so on and so on but now I've sussed it out it is deadly accurate and for a .25 thats good.

The silencer I have on the career was a joe young,good at shutting this rifle up but there was always a "TWANG" every time I shot the rifle.Looking inside the silencer it has a tube at each end with a strong spring in between them not bad but after uk neil done my evo/rapid with his internals I sent him the career silencer .When I got it back and put it on the rifle the "TWANG" had gone and instead has a "thudd",bit more bass'er and I think it also has improved accuracy a bit more with tighter groups.

I think you should get in touch with neil here on the board and get him to make one for you to fit on your rifle.His internals are really good and will take super-magnum power levels and handle's those levels pretty well.

You want to know something,I went for a little shoot with a shooter and I took the career,we know .22 is accurate but when I shot at a target at 60yds he was so taken back at the accuracy of the .25 that now he is thinking of getting one but the thing is that not all .25's are accurate and is finding one which is is the hard work.

I know that careers are not going to be in stock in the uk any more so in .25 it'll either be a rapid by ben taylor,airwolf or a bsa by bowkett or if someone's got a career .25 for sale.Thats what I told him so we'll see what happens unless someone could import a career in I dont know.

If you need any more info let me know flims.
Merry Christmas.

[flims]

the infinity has a longer barrel so the pellet takes a longer time to travel through its length thus this might be the reason why the pellets POI is affected when i shoot offhand but you do feel the muzzle rising. my pellets are doing 927ft/s. originally full on, the pellets where leaving the barrel at 1034ft/s with 31grainers but it was less consistent. another very nice feature of the infinity is that it sounds much quieter than the other careers.its got an internal suppressor and it works great. i would only need a muzzle flip compensator. i did set up my scope for all the distances i would shoot at and it works perfect from 35-100m. i have shot at longer distances using dialing in combined with mildots. since its not an FFP reticle i make sure the mag is always 14x as all the data i had gathered was on this setting.

[verminhunter]

the infinity has a longer barrel so the pellet takes a longer time to travel through its length thus this might be the reason why the pellets POI is affected when i shoot offhand but you do feel the muzzle rising. my pellets are doing 927ft/s. originally full on, the pellets where leaving the barrel at 1034ft/s with 31grainers but it was less consistent. another very nice feature of the infinity is that it sounds much quieter than the other careers.its got an internal suppressor and it works great. i would only need a muzzle flip compensator. i did set up my scope for all the distances i would shoot at and it works perfect from 35-100m. i have shot at longer distances using dialing in combined with mildots. since its not an FFP reticle i make sure the mag is always 14x as all the data i had gathered was on this setting.











Sounds nice but I think your pumping those 31gr too fast,try slowing them down a touch and see if you get a muzzel flip,if I turn my wheel up to those power-levels I get a flip too,like the rifle wants to lift up but around the 50 mark they work very well and accurate with tight groups.

[flims]

i should be taking my .25 for a video session this weekend if the weather is good. want to show you what that 31grainer does at 85m when it hits limestone. went with a fellow career owner on sunday for a whole morning. i spot and he shoots and vice versa. as it hits 1 inch pieces of stone break with a group in about the 1.5". its truly impressive to watch as somebody else is doing it.should be fun to watch. keep you posted.

[verminhunter]

i should be taking my .25 for a video session this weekend if the weather is good. want to show you what that 31grainer does at 85m when it hits limestone. went with a fellow career owner on sunday for a whole morning. i spot and he shoots and vice versa. as it hits 1 inch pieces of stone break with a group in about the 1.5". its truly impressive to watch as somebody else is doing it.should be fun to watch. keep you posted.










Sounds really great flims,I'd love to come out to malta and have a shoot with you but dont know if they'll let me bring the career out on the plane.
I must admit I find I'am getting to enjoy the rifle alot now that I've sussed it.180bar and 47ftlb is awesome with this bad boy,at 60yds I placed a pellet in a little hole then told my friend I'll place another right next to it and I did.Any one who says a .25 is not accurate does'nt know what he's on about and I'd love to show him.They are accurate as accuracy can be.

ps.Awesome arnt they.:D

[verminhunter]

One thing I will add is that they are the fastest firing pcp rifle AND the quickest loading magazine I've used and come across,thats another couple of +'s in its favour.

[flims]

it is probably much easier to bring your career to malta then bringing mine over there. if you would be realy interested i'll give you further info. besides the shooting you could enjoy some warm sunny days, shouldnt be too bad for a break in january:)

[verminhunter]

it is probably much easier to bring your career to malta then bringing mine over there. if you would be realy interested i'll give you further info. besides the shooting you could enjoy some warm sunny days, shouldnt be too bad for a break in january:)







Thank-you flims,thats a top nop offer which I will like to take you up on.
I'll have to have a chat with mr flo and see what he has to say about taking a fac rifle abroad.:)

[Graeme]

Thought i'd add this link of mine http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=27115&st=0#entry176377

I had my .22 Career mk 2 fac'd by Sam, Trigger fettled etc, nice:cool: then set up to fire 30 gr Piledrivers.

[verminhunter]

How are you getting on with the pile drivers graeme?
There's been some mixed feelings with this pellet ,I did'nt say nothing ,cant be asked to argue or debate.

[Graeme]

I think the idea behind them is to give a higher energy reading down range. After all its not your muzzle energy that you end up killing with.

At 30gr the .22 are never going to be my choice for sub 12 fp due to their trajectory. But once they get up to around 800 fps then all the benefits are there just for the taking. I've found them well made deadly accurate in my gun as long as they stay just bellow 940 fps. They don't slowdown like a wasted pellet so i'm gaining always with them. What's not to like?

[verminhunter]

I think the idea behind them is to give a higher energy reading down range. After all its not your muzzle energy that you end up killing with.

At 30gr the .22 are never going to be my choice for sub 12 fp due to their trajectory. But once they get up to around 800 fps then all the benefits are there just for the taking. I've found them well made deadly accurate in my gun as long as they stay just bellow 940 fps. They don't slowdown like a wasted pellet so i'm gaining always with them. What's not to like?





Yep your spot on there Graeme 800-850fps these will fly nice and flat with a nice tight group.It seems they work well in career and sumatra barrels around the 50ftlb mark.
The shape of these pile-drivers are very areo-dynamic but as said and as you've found out they need a blast to perform and with certain rifles they are good.Good Luck Graeme with your "new" career.

[Graeme]

Yep your spot on there Graeme 800-850fps these will fly nice and flat with a nice tight group.It seems they work well in career and sumatra barrels around the 50ftlb mark.
The shape of these pile-drivers are very areo-dynamic but as said and as you've found out they need a blast to perform and with certain rifles they are good.Good Luck Graeme with your "new" career.

Thanks Costas:)

Sounds like your taking your Career to Malta, Place could do with a tidy up i expect:D

[verminhunter]

Thanks Costas:)

Sounds like your taking your Career to Malta, Place could do with a tidy up i expect:D







Well we'll see,not sure as my flo was away I'll ring and ask,
be nice though.;) :)

[Sam@CS]

Yep your spot on there Graeme 800-850fps these will fly nice and flat with a nice tight group.It seems they work well in career and sumatra barrels around the 50ftlb mark.

... and a bit more!
The rifle was originally set up to launch the .22 piledrivers @ 60ft/lbs, but with a little experimentation, Graeme seems to have found them to shoot better around 930 - 940fps (around 58ft/lbs).

Still, I can't see the rabbits complaining about that, can you? :D

[verminhunter]

There you are,for anyone wanting to know abit more info .:)

[kevG]

this thread as been running longer than emerdale friggin farm:D

kevG

[verminhunter]

this thread as been running longer than emerdale friggin farm:D

kevG






And corrie and eastenders.:D :D

How are you kev me old son,long time no talk,:)

[verminhunter]

now for sale,any one wanting a really awesome hunting rifle this is one of them.

[hamalis]

Thats' a bargain.......if i didn't have one i would of taken it when it wnet on sale.

Up for a great rifle and a great price:D :D :D

[hamalis]

sorry wrong post :o :o

[hamalis]

Verminhunter you have a bump and a personal message :D

[Rapidnick]

No point in bumping it here guys-try the Firearms Sales section and have a look at the lovely pics I have just put on there.:D

[verminhunter]

Rifle now going for £300,you get rifle with silencer,bag,xtra mag and, mounts and fill-probe,no scope.
This is a very good deal for anyone wishing to go .25 or has a free slot.:cool:

[hamalis]

Holy crap that is giving it away.......i wish i had a slot on my certificate

[verminhunter]

Holy crap that is giving it away.......i wish i had a slot on my certificate







I know Hamalis I know,sad really but I really want this "special" built .25 for me 50th.Just the silencer,mounts and extra mag with the tune up come to around £200.That is the problem when you have a passion for air-rifles,money I've lost over the years is un countable.

[hamalis]

I know exactly what you mean about the passion of air gunning.....i think there is a few of us in here that have spend and lost a lot on money on them, but that's how it is.
The most expensive thing that i have is the wife....never ending spending :D :D

But seriously that is a great price and a bargain with all those extras.

[verminhunter]

Rifle now going for £300,you get rifle with silencer,bag,xtra mag and, mounts and fill-probe,no scope.
This is a very good deal for anyone wishing to go .25 or has a free slot.:cool:






Bump for Easter.

[hamalis]

One more for Easter Holidays

[verminhunter]

Easter day Bump.:)

[hamalis]

A bump for souvla :D :D and a great airgun at a give away price :)

[verminhunter]

Thank you all for your comments and input and a massive shout go's out to my man Rapidnick for taking photos of the rifle.;) :)
The rifle is now sold to another bbs shooter and may he enjoy its awesome power like I did.:)

[cipheron]

Thank you all for your comments and input and a massive shout go's out to my man Rapidnick for taking photos of the rifle.;) :)
The rifle is now sold to another bbs shooter and may he enjoy its awesome power like I did.:)


I'm sure I'll enjoy it mate, had plans to mod my fx T12 but won't have to do that now, will have the extra power with the 25.

Also waiting for a fire201s 9mm from pyramid, that can take forever so have ordered a QB79 in 22 as well that I'll mod to pcp and maybe tune a bit, should be enough to keep my mind off the long awaited 9mm:)

Again thank you for the pleasure of dealing with you, you're a gent and ever so helpfull:)

Just the last few details left so I'll just cross my fingers for a smooth journey:)

Bjorn

Ps. I'm from Norway and with no restrictions on airguns or power a "tune" would not break any legislation here:)

[verminhunter]

I'm sure I'll enjoy it mate, had plans to mod my fx T12 but won't have to do that now, will have the extra power with the 25.

Also waiting for a fire201s 9mm from pyramid, that can take forever so have ordered a QB79 in 22 as well that I'll mod to pcp and maybe tune a bit, should be enough to keep my mind off the long awaited 9mm:)

Again thank you for the pleasure of dealing with you, you're a gent and ever so helpfull:)

Just the last few details left so I'll just cross my fingers for a smooth journey:)

Bjorn

Ps. I'm from Norway and with no restrictions on airguns or power a "tune" would not break any legislation here:)






Thank you too Bjorn and a pleasure too dealing with you,The journey is not the problem its the waiting game now for that export licence to come through,it can be afew weeks but I'll be on the case right up until you have the rifle to your door-step.:)

[verminhunter]

There you are Shakeytits, brought back up for you.:)

[shakeytits]

A Very Big Thankyou To You Sir,

[verminhunter]

Just brought this up for Mick to read.

[nevermiss]

After shooting it on sat and sun to finalise the results of this rifle which I brought mid dec I must say the performance is outstanding,around 70 useable shots,46 51ftlb shots then they start to drop off but you can turn the wheel to keep power up with 50bar left in the tank makes this rifle a very economical tool from its 380cc air-tubes.

But it was'nt all rose's at first,this korean made rifle needs a good gun-smith to check the internals as I did,I gave it to Ben Taylor who did some master work inside it,cleaned parts and replaced a few O rings,took a 3rd off the hammer spring and also adjusted the power-wheel so instead of starting from 33ftlb up to 81ftlb it now starts from 23ftlb to 71ftlb (chrono checked).With this sort of adjustment plus the trigger the cocking method feels much lighter and easyer.

Gun at home now after ben finished the work,can't zero it in,have a AGS 3X9X50 TRU HUNTER on it,no good,shots going all over the place,checked the silencer to see if it's clipping pellets nope silencer is ok,took it off the same,spoke to Ben told him also the readings from the chrono,can't understand it,spoke to KevG about the problem .Looking at the Career web the rifle is packed with alsorts of grease to prevent it from rusting up until sold and shipped to other parts of the world,the barrel needs a good clean to wash out a film of anti rust prevention grease,so I did, zeroed the rifle now too low,adjusted the turret no more on the turret,spoke to a few persons but most of all KevG and put 2 strips of negetive film on the back mount,perfect.

Saturday morn took also my 7lt bottle and all my gear and went down the farm,40yards I mesured and placed my target at the board, leaned the rifle on the high stool and fired into 1p circles,could'nt belive the accuracy,every circle was having a pellet put inside it,4up,4down 3 to the right and left and 1 in the middle of the paper, did this 4 times and each circle had 4 pellets inside.

Now there is a few things to becareful,the rifle to be filled to 180 bar Not 200,cause the first 10-12 shots are too high and dont group as well,next the barrel needs a clean every 100-120 shots,very easy.The silencer is a Joe young and is the mutts -nutts,nothing else would take this power,the pellets are HN Diabolo Barracuda xtra heavey(31gr) they look like Bis Mags .22 but much bigger.

I just like to say Thanks Ben this is now a very nice rifle to use,not everyone's cuppa tea but as I have my Rapid and Mfr fully tuned together with my Eliminator I wanted something compleatly diffrent,a diffrent cocking method and feel and this rifle did it for me,a nice finish which it looks like a shot-gun at first glance,make no mistake this does what it say's and boy it sure does that.

The thing that got me was the accuracy,some said it's pellet fussy,some said the .25 cali is rubbish ,trejectori is bad and so on and so on,well I went out as far as 100yds and was hitting the decoy pigeon all the time (7shots) with 2mill dots up,guns running at 51ftlb 860fps and to me that is very very flat,I also have a knock-down target with a 40 mill circle and out of 7 shots 2 will knock it down and the other 5 around the steel plate,not bad at all.
It may not group tight at 100 yads but it certainly hit it's target with force and at 50's and 60's and 70's it impressd me so much I had to give it a review.

I know it's not a Rapid or a Daystate but It holds it's ground and holds it very well.Built wise not bad,nice bluing and a oiled walnut stock with the western style look and fast -firing this is one rifle a vermin-controler needs,closest your going to get to a rim fire ,turn the power-wheel up and you see this baby turn into a awsome tool,this take's no runners at all,woodies and rabbits are stopped in their tracks instantly,no over kills with this bad-boy,Yep I've got all my tools now and yep I'am very happy with the results.


Rifle now Sold.Thank you all for your inputs and a big thanks to RapidNick for the photos.
still a bloody awfull heavy rifle after a bit

[verminhunter]

still a bloody awfull heavy rifle after a bit






Well sorry if you've got arms like victoria beckham.:D:D

[verminhunter]

Just bought this up for the gent who wants to know abit more on careers.:)

[verminhunter]

Here we go Bob.