Daystate Airwolf 30ft/lb

[Gary C]

Finally got my own baby shooting straight. I'd love to blame the rifle but it was the scopes I put on it (raided my swaps and spares cupboard).

Here's my impressions:

Balance. The 500 cc bottled version is an abomination. I hate it. The 400cc version is.. well so good I've sat holding it. The ambi stock is a delight, excellent fit and perfect for awkward shots to tale LH.

Accuracy. A lot of bollox is talked about this because most rifles will produce pellet on pellet at 45 yards and mine put 2 fills worth in a 10p piece at 40 yards. My 410 will do the same, the falcon is close.

Shootability. Outstanding. This is where this rifle wins - it's got target handling and trigger on a 30ft/lb set up. This allows the accuracy when NOT on the bench.

Noise. Excellent without a silencer (as quiet as Gav's silenced Rapid), hush quiet with an airstream.

Shot count. Usable with brains 80?, 90 dunno ??? but 75 with a 10fps variation (compensated). 50+ without.

Ease of shooting. This astounded me - combined with the trigger the motion of the rifle is linear with no flip. Doesn't make it more accurate but I could see sometimes 900fps pellets hit a board at 40 yards

Quick fill. Excellent - ease of filling a bottle without the hassle of taking bottles off


Cons.

Quick fill cover. Guys - was thi sdesigned by somebody with ET's fingers?

Non- detachable bottle. Can't carry a spare

Cost. This is £200 more than a Rapid MK2 which gives a few more shots. Is it worth £200 more? there's no answer to that. You can't quantify the value.

You get £200 more worth of "Niceness", like comparing a BMW to a Mazda. The Mazda is probably just as reliable but the BMW is a little more refined. To many people the refinements will be what they don't want, the simple reliability of the Rapid has a value of it's own.

So, being sponsored by Daystate, what would I buy?.

In 12ft/lb neither - I'd go MK3S or 410 (if I couldn't afford it) because I don't need the shots. Lower cost and both superb

In hi power - I've got to go with the Wolf. It is a bunny basher with luxury. Just the trigger is worth the difference in cost to me. VFM the Rapid probably shades it - 95% performance at 80% cost but then that's something that the 410 would win over the Rapid. It's how you perceive value.

My final advice is don't listen to advice on these because it's so subjective. Try both, if you appreciate the refinements opt for the WOLF. If you want to kill bunnies with the ultimate basic rifle, go Rapid and save £200.

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as a footnote
I've not mentioned aftersales. Daystate are the undoubted kings and if in any doubt this would more than swing it for me. Speak to Lyn or Angie and you KNOW the calibre of the company in 10 seconds.

[Gary C]

I have a BTAS FX cyclone coming when Ben gets back

[Rapidnick]

I have a BTAS FX cyclone coming when Ben gets back


Are you getting an FAC version Gary? I handled a .177 legal limit one at the club the other day and it was fantastic! Even as a LH shooter with an RH rifle I was getting pellet on pellet straight away.:D

[Gary C]

Yep
FAC version :-)

[kieran turner]

As mentioned before a good honest review. I can't really comment on the Airwolf in detail as i have only handled one for 20mins or so but first impressions were excellent. Accuracy wise same as any decent top end pcp but the handling qualities were astounding for such a large looking rifle!

[kieran turner]

Sorry Kieran but i thought the handling of the airwolf is what let it down ,but thats just what i thought & handling is a very idiviual thing ,what suits one won't suit another .Allso the mag system might be very slick but it doesn't work very well in the MK3'S & airwolfs i've tried .cheers marcus


I found that the airwolf handled better than my mk3 s:eek: as you mentioned before handling is a very individual thing. i have to agree on the mag thing though I am NOT a fan of the Daystate mags, I detest them so much I don't use them at ALL in my Daystate rifles. From a standing stance and shooting at 38 yards i was getting 9/10 standing shots on a 40mm knockover:eek: (no word of alie and I'm ****e at standers!).

[verminhunter]

Good review Gary I must say,but the thing I dont agree is a "bmw" and mazda,I would say" BMW " and "AUDI",both german top cars,not 1 is japaneess,same go's for the two,both fine british rifles.
I would say to you the cyclone is a superb rifle Gary and I was thinking of getting one (26ftlb 60shots in .22) but as I have two already from ben (rapids) I thought I'd get a
John Bowkett "special",his own proto-type FAC Hornet multi-shot 38ftlb with around 30 full power shots,might be ready this weekend,also a mk3 walnut stock to go on.:)

[kieran turner]

They are very accurate & thats good shooting ,they are a lot worse with the 500 bottle on as well .Daystates are great guns but i just don't like the way they handle hence i bought a BTAS hft400 ;) :D cheers marcus


Still a very very nice choice sir! When do you get it then.........could you post it to me so i can have a go:D


only joking mate hope all is well when it arrives!

[Pod]

Gary, just out of interest, what mounts and scope combos gave the problems?

[Gary C]

Hi Pod

Last one was an old Hakko - by this time I'd given up and didn't fasten it on properly. The 1st 2 were scopes I'd been given, I didn't expect 2 to be shagged so it threw me off the scent.

[Pod]

Just asking as I had similar problems. I think Campbell has spoken to you about it?

Mine turned to be the scope clamps not done up tight enough (:o ) - I assume it is a product of 25mm smooth tube in 1" inch mounts? They were as tight as I ever do them but after a period of zero chasing and moving groups and getting frustrated they have now been well tightened and the rifle is shooting all lovely like :) (Sub12ftlbs)

[underthethumb]

The Mazda is more reliable than the B.M.W. not as reliable.

This is based on experience,(i am a trade plate driver and cover approx 100,000 miles a year on british roads and have done so for the last 7 years and will gaurantee that you will see more BM's brken down than Mazdas) and fact (J.D.Power surveys).

[steven]

The Mazda is more reliable than the B.M.W. not as reliable.

This is based on experience,(i am a trade plate driver and cover approx 100,000 miles a year on british roads and have done so for the last 7 years and will gaurantee that you will see more BM's brken down than Mazdas) and fact (J.D.Power surveys).

The car reference was for illustration only; the rifle is the subject of review.
Now, get back to the plot Underthethumb!:D

[Hurricane]

At last cornered someone with a FAC Airwolf! Maybe you can answer a few questions? I have tried Daystate but 1) I was told thier email was playing up and 2) when I phoned I believe snipper22 was showing off his silenser.


You have 30ft/lbs, I was told standard was 40ft/lbs how come?

Can you bleep it down to 12ft/lbs and if so whats accuracy like?

You say it has shot compensation, is this now standard, and do you have to accuratly fill (or am I mixing up with shot count)?

How does a connect01sit on it?

I'm sure theres some more questions but its been long day today!

Colin

[Enthusiast]

I love it when I see things like this, makes me sooo happy, AA400 - who needs more? ( good review by the way..)

Richard

So, being sponsored by Daystate, what would I buy?.

In 12ft/lb neither - I'd go MK3S or 410 (if I couldn't afford it)... Lower cost and both superb

[Gary C]

At last cornered someone with a FAC Airwolf! Maybe you can answer a few questions? I have tried Daystate but 1) I was told thier email was playing up and 2) when I phoned I believe snipper22 was showing off his silenser.


You have 30ft/lbs, I was told standard was 40ft/lbs how come?

There is no "Standard". YOU choose. I prefer 30

Can you bleep it down to 12ft/lbs and if so whats accuracy like?

You need shot compensation. I have it, mine is excellent

You say it has shot compensation, is this now standard, and do you have to accuratly fill (or am I mixing up with shot count)?

I use the gauge on my bottle - I checked it against David Snooks

How does a connect01sit on it?

No problem. Like all rifles the sight is high, but works ok

I'm sure theres some more questions but its been long day today!

Colin

atb

Gary

[Hurricane]

Cheers gary:)

Colin

[Scott in CO]

Hi there Gary,

I'd also love to hear the answers to all the questions Hurricane has asked you (Edit now I see you've answered a few of them above). I paid my deposit for an FAC airwolf well over two months ago and I'm still waiting for it to arrive here in the states. Mine will have the 500cc abomination! :o Did you indeed get a special compensated version? -And you chose 30fpe? Do you have other compensated power level options? They're telling me the compensated versions will/would not make it into production...? I've been told 37-40fpe at max power for 70 shots with a 30fps extreme spread (500cc bottle). Was hoping that I could get over 100 shots per fill by turning it down to 30fpe and keeping the same velocity spread...? What do you think? Are the shots per fill numbers I'm hearing a bit exaggerated? Thanks for the info you've already posted. Glad to hear you're so happy with the fit and feel of the stock... Would love to hear a bit more...

regards,

Scott in CO
scottdecapio"at"yahoo.com

[Gary C]

Hi Scott

David Snook is a friend of mine and he did shot comp for me one sunday afternoon. We tested my rifle and, with a 400cc bottle on 34ft/lb we got over 50 good shots. I don't know HOW many we'd have got without compensation, I just fired 5 x 10 shot strings and a couple more.

With shot compensation I'm sure you'd get over 100 shots no problem, without it I'm not sure.

I know it takes a couple of hours to do as each rifle is tweaked individually.

I have 3 settings, Non-comp, Comp and 12ft/lb non-comp.

[Scott in CO]

Thanks for the info Gary,

Sounds like your connection with David and Daystate got you the compensation. Also sounds like Daystate is not offering the compensation to the public at large... I've been chatting a bit with David over the past few months as his compensation ideas came to life, and I was very excited about the possibilty of a rifle with 3 compensation options: 40fpe, 30fpe, and ~22fpe... That would have been my dream gun! Sounds like my airwolf will be in a shipment leaving Daystate and headed for the states around the 20th of July... I was toying with the idea of trying to convince somebody at daystate to throw in some compensation programming before my rifle leaves the factory! :D But at 2 hours of programming for one power setting, I suppose that would be asking a bit much... And, if a problem occurs, it'd be a bit more complicated for me to get the issue resolved from over here. As it stands now, I'll have the option to reduce the power in 16 steps down from 38fpe or so... I suppose I'll remain satisfied with that:rolleyes:

Thanks again,

Scott in CO

[Russ6357]

Scott - please do let us know how it works out - your tests and thoughts etc would be welcomed/

[David Snook]

The Air Wolf without compensation should produce ~40 shots ~900FPS using a 21 grain pellet from a 500cc bottle.

It should also produce ~ 80 shots at ~900FPS using a 16 grain pellet in the same configuration.

With shot compensation the gun has a much higher capacity and a virtually flat power "curve". One I have done recently produces:

Uncompensated Stage 0: ~40 shots at ~900FPS using a 21 grain pellet producing ~38FPE

Compensated Stage 1: 50 shots at 925FPS using a 21 grain pellet producing 40FPE

Compensated Stage 2: 130 shots at 920FPS using a 16 grain pellet producing 30FPE

Compensated Stage 3: "Lots of shots" at 570FPS using a 16 grain pellet producing 11.5FPE

The only problem is the time it takes to set up individual guns and you must fill the gun fairly precisely to 210BAR and remember to reset the shot counter at each fill.

The gun is deadly accurate and has been used for hunting with great success. When fitted with a secondary silencer it is as quiet as many sub 12FPE silenced guns.

The gun is used mostly with the stage two 30FPE setting where it shoots the sweetest and produces marginally better groups. This is also the most economical with ammunition costs and air.

There is a serious downside to variable power, the POI shifts with power and ammunition and there is nothing that can be done about it. Apart from the obvious trajectory shift the POI "vectors" from left to right necessitating zeroing the scope at different power levels. This is similar to firearms when changing ammunition that have different muzzle velocities produces POI changes.

I think that Gary has the best compromise; he has wisely chosen an optimal 30FPE power setting which is most suitable for UK quarry and has fitted a 400CC bottle which makes the gun easier to handle.

We are still investigating the release of programmers that can be used to set up FAC guns for any power level within reason.

David

[Scott in CO]

Hello again David,

Since I've last posted in this thread, the US distributor has posted chrono strings for the FAC airwolfs that they've tested in all 4 calibers. If you're interested, go to: http://airgunsofarizona.com -go to the "what's new" page, and then hit the "click here to find out more" under the pic of the airwolf. Well detailed chrono number charts there, and some very encouraging numbers! (all guns with 500cc bottles and 210-220 bar fills) -Thought you might be interested. The fac .20 version also looks VERY promising... According to these numbers, your micro-loc technology seems to be doing the trick!
I'm told its just a matter of days before my airwolf will arrive now, although I was very unhappy to hear that my left-handed bolt did NOT make it across the atlantic!:mad: Anyway, I did make this purchase with the idea of many shots per fill with 16g pellets at ~30fpe as the goal. It still kills me to hear you can get 130 shots with the compensation!;) I'll be sure to report my chronograph findings with my own personal airwolf as soon as it arrives!

Cheers,

Scott in CO

[Russ6357]

So - some time has passed - how goes the new toy?

[Scott in CO]

Hi Russ,

If you're asking me, you can go to my "FAC airwolf 40fpe version" thread here in the FAC reviews. I've got my impressions, 50yd targets, chrony string, all there. Other than that, I've just got a custom stainless end-cap made, and I've drilled out my baffels from about .24" to .27" (the new end-cap is also .27" while the factory cap was .24") here's a pic:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/432817.jpg

Thrilled to death with the airwolf, and my left-handed bolt is supposedly on its way to me now. Will do some accuracy testing with the newly drilled out baffels today...

Regards,

Scott in CO

[Russ6357]

Thanks mate - I wondered why you opened up the baffles - is the theory that 40 ftlbs of air might be disturbing the pellet on the way out?

I'll go check out the review.

[Scott in CO]

Hello Russ,

Lots of folks on my US forum have been chatting away about clipping problems with the baffles, and they've been reporting accuracy improvements by openning them up a bit. I'm not 100% sure of the source, but its been very common for me to see 4 good shots and one flyer... I'm used to seeing 5 good shots in a row with my .177mk3:D ... So I went a gave it a try, since my new end-cap was also larger than the baffels... Here's the best I could manage with 5 shots at 100yds today:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/432988.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/432994.jpg

Fantastic accuracy... there are 4 shots from 100yds under that dime! But my pattern of 4 good shots and 1 flyer persists... That could have been a 1/2 MOA group!!!!... :rolleyes: sooo close! Group ended up being ~.85" c-t-c -I'm still thrilled to be seeing sub MOA groups, so who knows. Openning up my baffels didn't seem to hurt! Still searching for a way to eliminate those flyers!...

Regards,

Scott in CO

[Russ6357]

I have found that if I push more than 30 odd ftlbs with anything other than Bis MAgs or above 42 with Bis Mags that I would get the occasional flyer like that.

My Rapid only worked reliably with Bis Mags at 32ftlbs but that might be a barrell issue.

What forum do you check out?

[David Snook]

Hi Scott

The "occasional flyer" problem is very frustrating.

It is the one problem that is the most difficult to eradicate and I have had my fair share of problem guns with this “fault” pass through my hands.

Before we start talking about "problems" the groupings that you are getting are quite excellent at the range you state and typical for a FAC Air Wolf although I would not expect the flyer.

The Air Wolf has a fully floating barrel and a very stiff breech and barrel assembly, so it is not going to be that. You have already widened the baffle holes (I rarely find this to be a problem) so it is not that either. The only thing in this department that can cause problems is the barrel centring bush located at the muzzle crown shifting slightly due to blast from shot to shot.

Please check that it is firmly located with the moderator springs and there is no evidence of movement; please note that the bush is spaced away from the barrel crown to allow blast to go back into the bull barrel via the slots.

The acid test for any bull barrel shroud assembly problems is to slacken the fixing grub screw at the breech and remove it completely and then test your groupings.

My experience has taught me that most flyer problems are due to barrels and ammunition. Daystate pellet accuracy is maintained up to 1000FPS, if you are using these pellets or similar from JSB then you should be OK.

Now to what I think might be the real culprit. Walther barrels are extremely good, but some are better than others and I have found that all of them benefit from polishing.

My advice would be to purchase a VFG cleaning kit, remove the bull barrel shroud and polish the bore with the intensive cleaner felts and polishing paste. This can be done without removing the barrel. I also advocate the use of the Lupus grease supplied with the kit. I purchased mine from www.edinkillie.co.uk but I am sure that you can get one more locally.

With previously intractable flyer problems I have found that a vigorous bore clean and polish works in 90% of cases.

I also recommend a barrel clean after 3 or more tins of pellets. This is best done by attaching the cleaning felts to the rod at the breech, obviating the removal of any barrel shroud components before cleaning, although some guns will not need cleaning at all.

Whatever the outcome the basic accuracy of your gun is excellent. A friend of mine out performed his HMR17 in wet and windy conditions with an Air Wolf over 60 metres, much to his amazement.

David

[Scott in CO]

Hi Russ,

You should c'mon over to yellowforum.com (seems to be the most popular US airgun forum). I was wondering myself, if all the flyers aren't simply a 30+fpe reality... It was also common for me to see the 4 good and 1 flyer with my .22 rapid at 34fpe...

David,

Thanks very much for all the good info. Will experiment using your advice and see what happens. Still cheering for that hand-held compensation programmer;) ...

Thanks again,

Scott in CO

[verminhunter]

Very nice groupings scott.I did a 100yds with my 30ftlb mfr using AAfields 5.52,I put all the 12 shots in 40mm circle,some were hitting each other and was very happy.I noticed that before I did this I cleaned my barrel and ran 50 odd shots to re-lead it and accuracy is good with tight groupings,same applied to the mk2 rapid at 34ftlb with bis mags,a good clean and a re lead puts pellets right in the 40mm circle.If I dont clean the barrels the groupings are not as tight also with a few flyers.You dont realise your groups open up until you do tests,the only time I found the barrel needs a clean is when I missed afew shots then I know the barrel needs a clean,now I clean my barrels at around 600 or so shots(3 tins bis mags) and rifles are spot on out to 70yds,but found that if you were to shoot at 100 yds and to hit the 40mm all the time without flyers then the barrels will need a clean around 300shots,after that I find groups open up slowly until you start to miss.So to avoid misses and flyers between 600-800 shots they will need a good clean.This sort of tests I did was to find when I should clean my barrels as so not to miss my quarry.If sometimes when a few of us get together for a target practice at 100yds then I clean the barrel and re-lead it the day before so that its firing bang-on target.
The barrel cleaning is a must for all FAC pcp rifles to avoid flyers and keeping accuracy perfect.Happy Shooting.

[Scott in CO]

Thanks verminhunter!

I wonder, what do you use to clean your barrels? Many of the guys at my other forum cringe at the thought of putting a rod down their barrels. -Crown damage being the fear... When I do clean, I use a plastic coated pull-through that we call a 'crown-saver'...???

Thanks again,

Scott in CO

[Russ6357]

I use strong fishing line. Get one length 2 1/2 times length from crown to breech. old in hal. Stuff folded end down rom barrel to breach. When it reaches breach put cleaning patch in loop end and pull back towardws muzzle.

Bingo!

[verminhunter]

Thanks verminhunter!

I wonder, what do you use to clean your barrels? Many of the guys at my other forum cringe at the thought of putting a rod down their barrels. -Crown damage being the fear... When I do clean, I use a plastic coated pull-through that we call a 'crown-saver'...???

Thanks again,

Scott in CO







Hi scott and Good Morning here from England:)
First I take off the silencer,then with the long red plastic hose that comes with wd40 I push it inside the breech by-passing the porting of the barrel so that nothing will run down the reg and inside the rifle,I spray for a few sec's holding and pointing the rifle downwards,then I dry-fire a couple of shots and bring the rifle up,lay it on its side(not the bolt side),get my pull-through which is made with strong fishing line and push it down the barrel starting from the front.
I then cut a piece of pull-through cloth with a slight dab of wd40 and run it through,I do this afew times,after that I use dry pull throughs until nice and clean(4-5 times),dry-fire rifle afew times before I put silencer back on.
I then take my target paper and place it at the end of my garden(34yds) and place my cross-hairs on the cross of the paper which has a 1p circle,fire the rifle until I start to hit the 1p circle,on 1 barrel(hw) around 20ish shots and on the L/W barrel around the 50ish,funny that,on the career barrel 3-4 shots I'am bang -on target but then again this one needs around 100shots a clean,the bsa barrel to my amazement re-leads its self with-in 5shots too and a clean around 800 shots.
What I do is I have say 3000 (15 tins) pellets of bis mags,
5 tins for the mfr,5 for the mk2 and 5 for the hornet,each tin has the rifles modle num,say I mark the 5 tins with mfr,and mk2 for the rapid and bsa for the hornet,each time I take one of the rifles out I also take its own batch of pellets,this way I know when each rifles barrel will need a clean so that accuracy is always spot-on.
With accuracy being perfect it does'nt matter what rifle you have if it dont shoot accurate its very frustrating,nothing worse then a rifle not placing its shot and most of the time its the shooter not cleaning his barrel.
Some say "dont clean it",what happens to this is that lead builds up so much you'll get alot of flyers,gun one min will hit the next it wont and so on blaming yourself with "its me I moved" or the pellet is no-good.As a shooter I will know if its me or my rifle and also every once in a while test the rifles through the chrono and do a little target pratice of say 20 shots just to make sure the rifle is working the way it should,bit like checking the oil,water and tyers to your car,they cant tell you "I'am ill" so you'll have to be on the ball with your rifle all the time and you'll enjoy it that much more.Happy Shooting.:)

[David Snook]

Hi Scott

Please see my earlier post with regards to the VFG cleaning kit available from www.edinkillie.co.uk .

If you look on the site there is a complete description of it.

Barrels do demand respect but the Walther barrel is very hard and not easy to damage.

David

[Rapidnick]

Hi scott and Good Morning here from England:)
First I take off the silencer
)

Costas there is no need to take off the silencer! Use a drinking straw as a guide to push the thread down past the baffles into the barrel itself and then carry on as you do.
Otherwise 10/10 for content and effort!:)
Off on my travels now so if you read this and feel the need to write something witty you will have to wait for me to reply!

[Scott in CO]

OK David,

After a good bit or searching, I found a dealer in Canada willing to ship a VFG kit my way. I even tried your edinkillie source, but they don't ship to the US. It is very surprising that these products are so difficult to find here in the states. The dealer I spoke with told me many Canadian FT shooters also swear by the VFG kit... many say their groups shrink considerably...:) Looking forward to giving it a try. Thanks again for the help!

Regards,

Scott in CO

[verminhunter]

Costas there is no need to take off the silencer! Use a drinking straw as a guide to push the thread down past the baffles into the barrel itself and then carry on as you do.
Otherwise 10/10 for content and effort!:)
Off on my travels now so if you read this and feel the need to write something witty you will have to wait for me to reply!








Wrong there nick,its always good to take of the silencer as not to get it wet with wd40,thats how I do it,some guys dont bother but I do.
Dont worry I haven't finish with you yet,I'll wait for you to come back from your vacation.......lazy G-t.:D

[lionel]

Verminhunter - instead of spraying WD40 down your barrel - why don't you just soak your piece of cloth in it like everyone else?

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Verminhunter - instead of spraying WD40 down your barrel - why don't you just soak your piece of cloth in it like everyone else?

Lionel






Ahh my crafty yusoff:D I will tell you why,dont want nothing going down the porting inside the internals,the spray is passed the first 3ins if the barrel by the red tube you get with the wd40,push down the breech holding the rifle pointing down,the spray losens the lead,the one or two drops on the patch wont have too much wd40 to run down the port-hole,this method ben told me and its worked for me all the time,my pull-throughs snock made for me and they are perfect,try and see,I will show you if you want,10mins that all it takes and your barrel is clean.
WD40 is a good cleaner for removing lead from barrels I read it and also afew other gunsmiths use it too.

[lionel]

You're the cleverest Bubble since Aristotle Cos. :D

Lionel



Ahh my crafty yusoff:D I will tell you why,dont want nothing going down the porting inside the internals,the spray is passed the first 3ins if the barrel by the red tube you get with the wd40,push down the breech holding the rifle pointing down,the spray losens the lead,the one or two drops on the patch wont have too much wd40 to run down the port-hole,this method ben told me and its worked for me all the time,my pull-throughs snock made for me and they are perfect,try and see,I will show you if you want,10mins that all it takes and your barrel is clean.
WD40 is a good cleaner for removing lead from barrels I read it and also afew other gunsmiths use it too.

[Russ6357]

Do you get the 'odd flier' problems with your .177 MK3 RT?

[Rapidnick]

Wrong there nick,its always good to take of the silencer as not to get it wet with wd40,thats how I do it,some guys dont bother but I do.
Dont worry I haven't finish with you yet,I'll wait for you to come back from your vacation.......lazy G-t.:D

I'm back now Costas and looking forward to fixing up our meeting.
On the subject of cleaning you should most definitely NOT remove the silencer every time you clean the barrel!!!!! How do you deal with rifles like the Eliminator or Venomed HW80 where the silencer is fixed firmly to the barrel? You have to heat the metal to melt the superglue to remove them-on mine in any case. I agree that with your pretty lightweight AWT jobby you can just undo a pretty little screw with a lovely little allen key and slide the silencer off but in the case of 'less delicate' silencers you would do more damage removing it AND would have the problem of making sure it was correctly realigned so you don't end up with pellets clipping the silencer baffle!!:D
You know it makes sense.:p :p :p

[David Snook]

It is definately not a good idea to repeatedly disturb the silencer if it is an integral part of the gun.

Although not recommended by VFG I thread the rod through the gun and then screw impregnated intensive felt wads on the rod at the breech end.

I then dry fire a few times to clear out any polishing compound before using the normal felt wads.

A bit off topic, but yes, I have found fliers produced by customer's guns. These have been mostly fixed by bore cleaning and polishing the bore and the more persistent problems fixed with a barrel change.

David

[verminhunter]

I'm back now Costas and looking forward to fixing up our meeting.
On the subject of cleaning you should most definitely NOT remove the silencer every time you clean the barrel!!!!! How do you deal with rifles like the Eliminator or Venomed HW80 where the silencer is fixed firmly to the barrel? You have to heat the metal to melt the superglue to remove them-on mine in any case. I agree that with your pretty lightweight AWT jobby you can just undo a pretty little screw with a lovely little allen key and slide the silencer off but in the case of 'less delicate' silencers you would do more damage removing it AND would have the problem of making sure it was correctly realigned so you don't end up with pellets clipping the silencer baffle!!:D
You know it makes sense.:p :p :p










Silencers that are fixed or part of the barrel then no I would'nt clean them the way I clean barrels that silencers come off,there's more then one way to clean barrels nick me old kojja:p :D .
I thought you would have known this,been in the sun far too long:D :D
Each rifle has its way around it's make ,dont worry I'll show you how to clean your HW80.:D

[airgun]

thanks for a Good honest review;)