MTC Optics viper 4x16x50

[BENSPEED888]

recieved my viper today, all i can say is WOW!!!. For the money you get; scope, sunshade(with allen key and spare bolt), mounts, large sidwheel, battery for the ill ret, reparalaxing tools, metal flip up covers, and a nice bag to keep it in.

the scope features, lockable and very easibly adjustable turrets, illuminated reticule, fast focus eyebell, 30mm tube, and side paralax.

i compared the scope along side a simularly priced nikko nighteater, now i am a long time fan of nikko scopes, and i was surprised to say that the viper produces a clearer image. there is also very usefull features that are not on the nikko, eg locking turrets, flip up covers, free mounts.

over all i am very impressed, and so were the shooters i showed it to. as soon as i fit it to my gun, i will post again as to how i get on.

[BENSPEED888]

zero'd the scope this morning, lovely positive clicks with the turrets, very smooth feeling to the mag adjuster, and side wheel. nice clear picture.

realy pleased with the scope overall, bargain!!!!!

cheers
Ben

ps if anyone has any questions, give me a shout:)

[Geordie]

http://www.weirdlist.com/board/images/smiles/pics.gif

:D :D :D :D

[BENSPEED888]

i don't have a camera, i'll see if i can borrow one:D

[sniper22]

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=12213340&uid=530766

all you need

[BENSPEED888]

thanks tony:)

[Ruger_shooter]

Looks nice. Price??

[BENSPEED888]

i think the 4x16x50 is about £220-230, pretty sure anyway:)

[Elbows]

Ben, what do you think to the supplied mounts? Will they fit a BSA S10? The gun's on order and I'm looking for a suitable scope...

[BENSPEED888]

Ben, what do you think to the supplied mounts? Will they fit a BSA S10? The gun's on order and I'm looking for a suitable scope...
I thought the mounts were ok, but i needed higher ones for my fwb p70 as it has a flip up breach.

[zh127]

I'm seriously considering getting one of these scopes, could you provide a link to there hompage or where you pruchased your please.

AM

[Elbows]

Yeah, I'm seriously considering one of these too. The only think causing me to pause for thought is that I'm not sure that 16x mag is high enough. What do you think? Is it high enough for shooting on a range at 50m?? (BTW. I'm a newbie so have shot at this distance).

Here's the link you want: http://www.mtcoptics.com/

[Zico]

Yeah, I'm seriously considering one of these too. The only think causing me to pause for thought is that I'm not sure that 16x mag is high enough. What do you think? Is it high enough for shooting on a range at 50m?? (BTW. I'm a newbie so have shot at this distance).

Here's the link you want: http://www.mtcoptics.com/

50 metres! ? Do you have an FAC'd rifle then?

[fergie]

i have one on my mk3 and what a scope all i can say is FANTASTIC

[Elbows]

I ordered the 4-16x Viper yesterday, so it should arrive tomorrow :) It'll be a few days before I can test it though as the brand new shiney S10 I received today was the wrong model!! They (I won't name names - yet!) sent a carbine instead of a Bull Barrel carbine. Totally gutted! :(
It had the lovely walnut stock that I ordered so f$%k knows how long I'll have to wait to get the right one, what with all the hassle of sending it back....

I'll post pics of the scope when I get it.

[Musclefox]

this is my 4x16x50 viper on my 22lr.
i like the nice fine crosshairs
http://suprfile.com/src/1/3ftutw0/Picture 1959.jpg

[Andy478]

Does anyone have the specs of this scope, minimum focus distance at 4x and 16x mag, turrets 1/8 or 1/4 etc. Many Thanks Andy.....

[BENSPEED888]

Does anyone have the specs of this scope, minimum focus distance at 4x and 16x mag, turrets 1/8 or 1/4 etc. Many Thanks Andy.....

i think the turrets are 1/8 click, mine will focus down below 10yds on 16 mag:)

[Gary C]

Thanks Ben
Min focus at x16 is claimed at 10 yards and turrets ate 1/8 MoA at 100 yards

[Beer Hunter]

...1/8 MoA at 100 yards

Only at 100 yards? Why, does it vary with distance? :confused: :D
Is that the same scope you had on the MK3 Gary? If so, flipping good for the money :)

Kev.

[Elbows]

Fitted my 4-16x Viper to my S10 today. It's a real beauty! Lovely clear, bright optics, lockable turrets with positive clicks and v sharp focus. A great scope at a great price. I look forward to many happy days' shooting with this combo. Top next-day service from Gary and Sammie too. :)

[dbc-65]

Look though one of these at the club yesterday(woodlands HFT).
Very impressive, very clear and bright optics.:) :)

On the down side they need to sorting out the fitting for AA.:mad: :rolleyes:

Cheers
Dave

[Gary C]

On the down side they need to sorting out the fitting for AA.:mad: :rolleyes:

Cheers
Dave

In what respect Dave? please elaborate.

If you mean the mag access with respect to the sidewheel, or the size of the mounts I can answer both.

Future scopes will be supplied with medium / high mounts.
You can't easy mag access from the left AND a big sidewheel. The good thing about our sidewheel is that if you need it at night / cold days you can slide it off easily to access a mag

[dbc-65]

:) :) :D It’s a great scope the way the wheel comes of and all that.

The problem the chap at club has is with the front mount on a AA410, it won’t allow the scope back far enough to get good eye relief. These are the mounts supplied with the scope im on about.
Now a reach forward turned back towards the butt and it all sorted.

Bright and cheerful.

Cheers
Dave

[Gary C]

Ahh

Thanks mate.

The first batch of scopes is being supplied with low mounts. The problem is second guessing what the shooter wants - if we supplied high mounts a lot would complain that they were not comfortable. It's a no win situation.

I think we may change to highs on next years production.

[airgunner2388]

Here is the 3-12x44 on my MKIII

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/192873058.jpg

And also another on my X2R

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/188671953.jpg

And here is the large sidewheel

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/192873061.jpg

Regards
Barry

[dbc-65]

Ahh

Thanks mate.

The first batch of scopes is being supplied with low mounts. The problem is second guessing what the shooter wants - if we supplied high mounts a lot would complain that they were not comfortable. It's a no win situation.

I think we may change to highs on next years production.


I agree its a no win. but if people read this like i do before i buy they should get it right first time.

I use a bushnell elite 4200 and the viper was very clear and a good saving.

cheers
Dave

[R. P. McMurphy]

Sounds very good for the money I have to say,reticule looks interesting too!

[JUMBO]

how do these scopes compare with the bushnell legend 5-15x40,not being anywhere near to a place that stocks the viper scopes to have a look myself.but on reading the opinions in this thread they do seem very good value.if you read this gary could you please send me some price details on the 3-12x44 and the 4-16x50.
thanks
iain

[JLB]

I would appreciate it if someone could pm me a price for the 4-16x50 & order details. Will the mounts supplied fit a CZ452 varmint with enough clearance for the objective bell/barrel ?


Thanks john:)

[airgunner2388]

John just phone 0845 0941542

[DAFY555]

Roll on when the 8-32's are in.;)

Rifle ready and waiting for one.

Please.please Gary:cool:

Regards



Daz

[baz]

how do these scopes compare with the bushnell legend 5-15x40,not being anywhere near to a place that stocks the viper scopes to have a look myself. iain

I have 4-16 Viper you can look at I will be up the club on Thursday and Sunday, whats more I can order one if you like it

Baz

[baz]

I have one of these, I am a fussy old sod and I have found this to be remarkable value for money, I rate the turret system as one of the best I have used, the sidewheel is better than my Nikon, optics are very bright and clear, better than Nikko and on par with Bushnell Legend to my eyes, although eye position is critical at highest mag (as it is on most scopes) but as I only use max mag to look at bullet holes that doesnt worry me

The big problem for me is what gun to put it on, I think .177 air rifle for now as I want to try out that rather nice ret, I will probably eventually put it on a .308 where the holdover ballistic lines would also be rather handy at longer ranges, although as that rifle is stainless I will probably go for the nice blingy silver 3-12 version:D

Also a very nice looking scope in a Tactical sort of chunky way:)

Well done MTC

Baz

[JUMBO]

thanks baz,i am hoping to get there around lunch time,maybe before if i am allowed out for good behavour :o

iain

[J1D1]

Hi,
Can someone tell me how the locking turrets work? Do you push them down or do you slide down a ring or something? And do they have indication marks as found on most sniper turrets that tell you how many turns the turret has made.
Thanx

[frank]

Here is the 3-12x44 on my MKIII

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/192873058.jpg

And also another on my X2R

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/188671953.jpg

And here is the large sidewheel

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL83/530766/12213340/192873061.jpg

Regards
Barry

Is there much difference in brightness between the 44 and 50 objectives and would a 50 fit ok on a HW97 with regards to the loading port?

[baz]

Hi,
Can someone tell me how the locking turrets work? Do you push them down or do you slide down a ring or something? And do they have indication marks as found on most sniper turrets that tell you how many turns the turret has made.
Thanx

The turret markers have a lockring which is much better than usual three grubscrews and the turrets have to be pulled away from the scope to turn then clicked back to lock, an excellent system that has been patented I am told and for good reason

Baz

[deeps]

Is there likely to be an issue with bits of grit & crap getting into the turret workings of these scopes since they don't seem to have caps ?

[deeps]

http://www.airgunbuyer.com/Showproducts.asp?cat=Telescopic%20Sights&SubCat=MTC%20Optics

[Gary C]

www.mtcoptics.co.uk (http://www.mtcoptics.co.uk)

Hi Marcus:)

[deeps]

Sorry Gary, didn't mean to steal your thunder, just hadn't noticed you had updated your website - starting to look very nice :)

[Mikes]

Gary, last Sat morning when we chatted you said the weight was 650gms is that correct? good comments on here, looking forward to Dec.

Regards

Mike S

[Sammie]

Gary, last Sat morning when we chatted you said the weight was 650gms is that correct? good comments on here, looking forward to Dec.

Regards

Mike S

Hi Mike

Gary has jetted off to Singapore. Apparently it's HOT out there! :rolleyes:

The 3-12x44 weighs in at 480g
The 4-16x50 at 570g
The 6-24x56 at 620g
The 8-32x60 at 650g

Hope this helps


Sammie

NB. Message from Lloyd at Bar, the 3-12x44 Viper Scopes are in stock. New link as follows:

http://www.airgunbuyer.com/Showproducts.asp?cat=Telescopic%20Sights&SubCat=MTC%20Optics

[Mikes]

Thanks Sammie.

[JLB]

Does anyone know what mag these scopes are 'true mildot' at please. Teetering on the edge of purchase:D Still undecided as to go for the 3-12 or 4-16 :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

Thanks, john:)

[Brian.Samson]

True at 10x mag..

The ret has half mildot marks on it, so you also have the option of turning the mag down to 5x and then use the half mildot marks as full mildots. Don't know if I've explained that very well ?

Very handy for close range ratting work. i.e. for bunny bashing use the scope on 10x mag and figure out all your holdovers to the nearest 1/2 mildot. Then for the close range stuff where you need a bigger field of view turn the mag down to 5x and use the half marks as full mildots.

I've recently fitted the 4-16x50 on my hunting rifle and I've got to say that so far I'm very impressed. As a hunting scope it's excellent, and has everything I need. The removable sidewheel is dead handy too and when I get a moment I'm going to try to set it up to see how well it'll range find out to 45/50 yards.

[Gary C]

Does anyone know what mag these scopes are 'true mildot' at please. Teetering on the edge of purchase:D Still undecided as to go for the 3-12 or 4-16 :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

Thanks, john:)

John

If you plan on HFT then the 4 to 16 is no good. Pure hunting the 4 to 16 is better. The x50 front end light gathering is excellent

[minibbb]

Just read the review in this months Airgunner-will soon be buying one for the MK3!

Out of interest why is the 4-16 no good for HFT? I was hoping to get this for an all purpose scope

[Gary C]

Just read the review in this months Airgunner-will soon be buying one for the MK3!

Out of interest why is the 4-16 no good for HFT? I was hoping to get this for an all purpose scope

The 4-16 is x50 objective which will not give a good depth of field

3-14 is x44 which is far better

[minibbb]

cheers Gary:)

[JLB]

Thanks gents, you twisted my arm:D :D will be placing an order some time this week. The reticle seems ideal for my CZ:D

Cheers john:)

[Davestate]

What is the depth of field like on the 44mm version? (Thinking HFT scope)

[frank]

What is the depth of field like on the 44mm version? (Thinking HFT scope)

I had a look through one on saturday at BAR and although I went for the Lightstream, I was impressed by the DOF on the Viper 44 and 50. From a DOF point of view they should be very good for HFT...but I'm sure someone who uses one for HFT wil be along shortly to give a view from practical use.

[Gary C]

DOF is OK.

Not the best I've used, not the worst. I set mine up to haze at 40, slight blur at 45 and it starts to haze on 17 and blur on 13. 8 is a fuzz but then if you can't hit an 8 yard 1" target it's time to go...

[baz]

My 4-16 works just fine on .223, I could see bullet holes on target at 200yds with ease

I am waiting for a silver 3-12 for my Daystate

I think Sammie did well choosing specs for these scopes;) And she lets Gary take the credit:D

Baz

[kev hughes]

I think Sammie did well choosing specs for these scopes;) And she lets Gary take the credit:D

Baz


You right there Baz, Sammie is deffinatley the brains behind the operation ;)

Kev

[JLB]

Final question gents, whats the lowest mounts i'll get away with for the 4-16x50. Thinking of sportsmatch TO35C, 15mm from the bottom of the 'foot' to the base of the tube ? Theory behind it:confused: :D Centre of the tube to the outside edge of the objective around 26mm, centre of the tube to the base of the 'foot' 30mm giving me around 4mm of clearance or am i away with the fairies:D :D

Cheers john:)

[Cynergy]

anyone know how the MTC scope compares with the Falcon Merlin 4-14x56 IR

They seem to have very similar specs and prices

[mildot]

I was thinking the same! :confused:

[Gary C]

Best bet is to look through both mate and make your own decision. Everybody's requirements is different.

[minibbb]

I know with some IR scopes the red cross hairs can "reflect" around the inside body of the scope. Does this happen with the viper? I wouldn't have thought so as only the centre of the cross hair lights up but would like to know anyway. 90% sure im getting one to grace the MK3!

[Gary C]

A lot depends on your illuminantion level - we have designed it so that the lowest level is very subtle and not too intrusive.

We offer a no quibble guarantee. As long as you don't mount it we'll take it back.

[BENSPEED888]

I know with some IR scopes the red cross hairs can "reflect" around the inside body of the scope. Does this happen with the viper? I wouldn't have thought so as only the centre of the cross hair lights up but would like to know anyway. 90% sure im getting one to grace the MK3!

it all lights up on mine, haven't used it in the dark properly yet though.

congrats on your 1000th post:)

[Billy Hartley]

MTC do the viper in 6x24x56 but mtc haven't realeased it yet im going for the 4x16x50 priced at £215, It looks like a really good piece of kit and i hope to fit it to a styer lg110 ft!!

[Gary C]

Best be quick, not many left. We have none, the shops have a few

Next batch will be week 1 Dec. We were caught a little by surprise

[dbc-65]

Fancy being taken short Gary:D

A fantstic scope and extras, i have not had anyone say a bad word
about it at the two clubs i visit.

Thanks again to you and Sammy.

Cheers
Dave

[RichBB]

DOF is OK.

Not the best I've used, not the worst. I set mine up to haze at 40, slight blur at 45 and it starts to haze on 17 and blur on 13. 8 is a fuzz but then if you can't hit an 8 yard 1" target it's time to go...



Hi Gary

Like the descriptions.:) What mag were these at and assuming they were at 10 how much worse are things at 14?

Many Thanks

Rich

[Gary C]

Hi Rich

I never tried at 14, but if you have x14 with a 50mm front lens you will not be happy

[hadaka-jimi]

Yeah, I'm seriously considering one of these too. The only think causing me to pause for thought is that I'm not sure that 16x mag is high enough. What do you think? Is it high enough for shooting on a range at 50m?? (BTW. I'm a newbie so have shot at this distance).

Here's the link you want: http://www.mtcoptics.com/

16 mag is ample IMHO mate - I use 10 mag out to 55 and it can be just as good as far as hitting a rabbit head size target or 40mm knock down

If your using as an FT scope then 16 mag may not be enough. I have 2 FT scope that go up to 40 & 50 mag but to be honest, I range find on 25 for both.

[Herx77]

The 4-16 is x50 objective which will not give a good depth of field

3-14 is x44 which is far better
Gary.
I take it then the 8-32x60 that I was interested in for FT and HFT will not be any good for HFT, for the same reasoning? or not.
HERX77

[Sammie]

Hi Mike

It's no good at all, the objective is way too big. The depth of field will be 'pants' (using one of Gary's descriptions) :D

[BarryB]

Hi Sammie

Can you confirm the weights of the range of scopes again. The ones you gave on the earlier thread are a lot less than BAR are quoting.

Thanks Barry

[nice one]

my mate has phoned and they have sold ouuuuut

[Gary C]

Sorry chaps :o

We bought what we thought was a lot to see how they'd go. They went faster than we thought and so the 1st batch sold out.

The 60 day lead time was the problem, we never placed the second order until after the MGF ( to gauge demand)

We now have shipments due in probably Dec 17th, followed by Jan 1 and Feb 1 so we have a constant supply.

[DAFY555]

Hi Gary,

Are the 6-24's and 8-32's due in soon?



Regards



Daz:D

[xbow]

Hi Gary,

Are the 6-24's and 8-32's due in soon?
Daz:D

Me too. And will they be available in Silver?

[Gary C]

I'm sorry guys, only 3-12 available in Silver.

However, think out of the box a little.

Forget the 6-24 and buy two 3-12 s

(units due to despatch Wed, arrive in UK end of the week)

[BENSPEED888]

I'm sorry guys, only 3-12 available in Silver.

However, think out of the box a little.

Forget the 6-24 and buy two 3-12 s

(units due to despatch Wed, arrive in UK end of the week)

this time next year gary, you'll be a miwyonair:D :D :D

[DAFY555]

Forget the 6-24 and buy two 3-12 s



:D :D :D


Cheers Gary.


Regards


Daz

[mildot]

Anyone used one of these with an NV unit (Merlin Cobra)?

Im interested in the 6-24x one! I would presume from your comment (Gary C) that these are gunna be sometime before you take delivery!

[Gary C]

6-24

It looks like we may be getting stiffed from our supplier.

I was joking earlier but

Had a very nice mail 3 days ago giving us shipment details but due to "batch rejection" of the 56mm flip ups they will be delayed.
I went nuts, explained that many are for Christmas and we cannot let people down like this.

They promised to try in time for Christmas.

This lark isn't as much fun as I thought it was going to be

[Airbrush]

6-24

It looks like we may be getting stiffed from our supplier.

I was joking earlier but

Had a very nice mail 3 days ago giving us shipment details but due to "batch rejection" of the 56mm flip ups they will be delayed.
I went nuts, explained that many are for Christmas and we cannot let people down like this.

They promised to try in time for Christmas.

This lark isn't as much fun as I thought it was going to be

Better to keep the quality up Gary.;) At least the're not trying to fob you off with sub standard kit.

I for one don't mind being let down as long as I'm kept informed,& there's a good reason.

Andy.

[Gary C]

Thanks Andy

We'll see what happens

[mildot]

I totaly agree with Airbrush. Why compromise on quality for the sake of abit of time.... If you did, it would show what you think of your customers! ! ! ! :(

Trouble is now im gunna have to wait and i really want/need a scope soon.... :D :rolleyes:

[Martin H]

I also have to agree. If somethings this good, it`s worth the wait. No point spoiling the ship for a hap'orth o' tar as we salty see dogs like to say. I was a bit dissapointed that I had to wait for my 4-16x50. But Uttings have their new stock in, and it`ll be here Monday. Courier permitting. :rolleyes:
I don`t think you can be blamed in any way Gary, You weren't to know how popular these scopes were going to be. And I for one appreciate your efforts. keep up the good work. ;):)

[Cynergy]

Anyone used one of these with an NV unit (Merlin Cobra)?

As per Mildot's question anyone tried the MTC (4-16x56) with the Cobra XVD ?

[Martin H]

i got my 4-16x50 today from Uttings. What can I say. Fabulous bit of kit. All the positive feedback that I've read appears to be well founded.I shall doubtless be playing with it for days.:o Well done Gary. Made my Christmas. :D

[mildot]

Hi,

Is there any owners in kent that have the 4-16x50 that will let me test my night vision on please? As i dont want to go and buy one to find out that theya re no good.

Please help

[mildot]

Well, thanks to JUMBO who let me test his scope with my NV kit one evening, I managed to test this scope for possible future use with a NV scope.
The scope works pretty well with an added NV monocular! The cross hairs are fairly fine but i could see petty well at 100yards! Should be good enough for mr buggies! Generaly looking at the scope it seemed pretty well made.
Overall i think i may just have to purchase one!

[Davestate]

Gary/Sammie,

Any signs of a 4-16x4x in the pipeline...?

[Gary C]

Hi Dave

We'll not be doing a 4x14x4$ simply due to shop feedback not wanting any more skus.

Would be a nice scope - but then most folks would go for the x50

had some very interesting feedback on light transmission against "leading" brands today:)

[mildot]

Well come on then Gary do tell....... ;)

[The Good Shot]

Great scope and great value...;)

[minibbb]

Gary,
Just ordered a 3-12 from Uttings and have been told they were out of stock. I don't suppose you have any idea when the next shipment is due?
Many Thanks
Tom:)

[Gary C]

Hi Tony

I have 250 stuck in Customs
I have 40 somewhere in the world with UPS

I have orders coming out of my ears..:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sometime next week Inshallah

[minibbb]

Not sure who Tony is but im looking forward to the scope arriving:D:D Have ordered some high sportmatch mounts as well as its for the MK3:)

[Gary C]

scheduled delivery 27/12

Will be with suppliers on 28/12

[minibbb]

scheduled delivery 27/12

Will be with suppliers on 28/12

Nice one, for some reason uttings didnt think they would have any until the first week of Jan.

On the MTC website I saw the reticle info, what mag were those figures worked out at?
Many Thanks:)

[Gary C]

Nice one, for some reason uttings didnt think they would have any until the first week of Jan.

On the MTC website I saw the reticle info, what mag were those figures worked out at?
Many Thanks:)

x10 mate

atb

Gary

[warrior_kilt]

x10 mate

atb

Gary

hi gary,just wondering if the MTC Optics viper 4x16x50 is ok to put on a WEIHRAUCH HW97K 2.2

cheers

donnie

[Gary C]

Give it a try
if it breaks I'll give you a new one.:)

[BENSPEED888]

Give it a try
if it breaks I'll give you a new one.:)

you can't fault that for a garentee:)

[warrior_kilt]

Give it a try
if it breaks I'll give you a new one.:)

you cant say fairer than that

cheers mate,i will order one up tomorrow

donnie


:)

[baz]

I have 4-16x50 on a CF rifle, I love it and will be putting one on a very powerful rifle soon ( high recoil!) if it survives that it will take any springer I have known

I like the MTC so much I have taken a Leupold off to fit one:D

Baz

[verminhunter]

I've orderd mine 4-16x50 viper ,should get it by wed.I spoke to Gary yesterday and yes they wont go on a rapid unless you have 30mm mounts as the one's on there at the mo are only for 1ins,still I really hope these scopes are as good as everyone is telling me,and as you guys know I'll give this a review.So we'll wait till I get mine and thanks Gary for the sp yesterday.;) :)

[verminhunter]

Got mine today and man you do get afew extras with this scope.I'am reading the manual and looking at the scope,you know placing the battery inside,checking the focus and the tarrets,a very nice scope and all the mounts and sun-shade together with the big focus wheel and also the allen keys,fantastic bit of kit worth the money all day long.

The question I would like to ask is I've adjusted the fast-focus to suit my eye with a clear view of the rectical but the metal flip is out of aliement meaning it now opens at 4'oclock at the side,I would like to bring it up to open as the front one does .I 've got the allen key but looking at the metal-flip cover I cant find where abouts you put the allen key in to losen the flip-cover so that I can turn it back up as it was before.If I turn it back up the focus for me is not good,so I need to losen the flip which sits round the fast-focus ring.
Thanks Lads any info will be apreciated.

[conor1]

Right guys. Read the reviews and have just placed an order for the 6-24x56 model from BAR. Arrives Monday as I refuse to pay £17 premium for Saturday delivery!!!!!!!

Originally tried to place the order with Gary C but didn't realise he was in the States until his mobile range with that American ringtone!!!!!! Hope he was not disturbed.

All the best.

[rogb]

the metal flip is out of aliement meaning it now opens at 4'oclock at the side,I would like to bring it up to open as the front one does .I 've got the allen key but looking at the metal-flip cover I cant find where abouts you put the allen key in to losen the flip-cover so that I can turn it back up as it was before.If I turn it back up the focus for me is not good,so I need to losen the flip which sits round the fast-focus ring.
Thanks Lads any info will be apreciated.

Hi
As I was told, use the shiny metal keys that come with the scope. They fit into little holes on the flip up and you can tighten or loosen the securing ring.
Rog

[verminhunter]

Hi
As I was told, use the shiny metal keys that come with the scope. They fit into little holes on the flip up and you can tighten or loosen the securing ring.
Rog






Thanks too rog,yes james told me this morning BUT I still cant get the small allen key to fit in those holes.
When you flip open the cover is'nt there two small holes on the iner-circle,right the allen key is suppose to fit there yes? or am I looking at diffrent holes?
What I did I got a small leather needle and placed it in the hole in the circle and turned it round,the flip started to un-screw and now I've sussed it but cant for the love of me find any holes to place the allen key,its too big to fit anywhere around the flip.I've got the allen key for the mounts thats fine and the allen key for the wheel which both are bigger in size anyway ,so this little allen key wont fit but never mind I've done it now thanks.

Apart from all this this scope is the "Don" it is unbeliveable,the clarity,the turrets the way they pull out to adjust and lock back in brilliant idea also tha markings too great.the parralex on the side spot-on and the illuminaor switch all perfect.It took me 17clicks up and 3 clicks left and that was that,spot-on,quickest scope I've ever zeroed.

This is a real gem of a scope,at low light it was wonderful to look through ,really a good low-light shooting scope and for the money its the best value for money , if any of you guys are thinking of getting a good scope or up-grading then have a peep through one of these,you'll be shocked what your gona see .

[verminhunter]

All sorted now and have a bump up for a truly a fantastic scope.For any one looking for a nice scope to buy then I can put my hand on my heart this is one lovely scope and for the money its left any other scope double the price standing.Good value for money.

[albob]

well,you all gave these scopes,such a great report and recommendation have ordered the 4x16x50 for my rapid.
the advice etc,totally convinced me and the scope has all the things,i require of a scope and at a good price.
nice to hear about scopes that people have used and give their unbiased point of view.
thanks all
al :)

[albob]

received my scope today and what a sexy scope it is.:cool:
well packed and nice pieces that came with it.:)
great optics and easy to focus.
nice illuminated reticule.

just one cliche with it....could some kind person,please,e-mail me the instuctions,as the one`s that came with mine are photocopied and you can`t see some of the instructions or picture`s properly,as i would like to get the best out of this scope and not guess it..
shame really,the scope is superb and sending it back because,of poor instructions is a bit silly.
any help appreciated.
thanks al

[Saton]

I got mine on saturday excellent scope, the scope mounts went straight in the bin though, they didnt even tighten up enough to grip the scope rail. Everything is great.

[albob]

hi saton,were you`re instuctions clear or poor photo copied type.
cheers al

[Marky610]

Mine's a photocopy too............Shame such a good product with great accessaries just lacking a nice glossy instruction book............


Come on Gary get down your local printers mate :D

[albob]

thanks mark,thought i had been singled out for the photo copy..:eek:
as you say,it does spoil,such a brilliant product and to someone like me,who has never had such a scope,with so many twiddly knobs,i would like to know how to twiddle them correctly.:D
cheers al

[Saton]

They were a photocopy but who needs the instructions.

[albob]

me...:eek:
al

[Saton]

What do you need to know?

[albob]

thank you,
how to lock,unlock the turrets(the pic cannot be seen to show where.?).
how do you take off the front flip up and can you fit it onto the sunshade.?or is it not necessary .??
their is a ring,what is this for.??
their is mention of a silver tool..what is that,i have 2 silver spacer looking things in a half moon shape.??don`t know what they are for.??
the silver tool mentioned is for adjusting what.??or used for what.??
thank you for your time and i appreciate it.
don`t want to do anything silly to a great scope.
cheers al

[Saton]

thank you,
how to lock,unlock the turrets(the pic cannot be seen to show where.?).
Pull them out to unlock push them back to lock them
how do you take off the front flip up and can you fit it onto the sunshade.?or is it not necessary .??
Cant help you there my model doesnt come with flip ups
their is a ring,what is this for.??
this slides over the side focus wheel wheel to make it bigger
their is mention of a silver tool..what is that,i have 2 silver spacer looking things in a half moon shape.??don`t know what they are for.??
dont know what they are
the silver tool mentioned is for adjusting what.??or used for what.??
thank you for your time and i appreciate it.
don`t want to do anything silly to a great scope.
cheers al

Hope that helps.

[albob]

Hope that helps.

thanks saton,much appreciated..:)
the ring i was referring to was about the same size as the end(bell,is it called.??).not the focus/parrallax ring.?
now,you know why i need clearer instuctions for my scope.
thanks for your time,in answering the ones you knew.:)
cheers al

[Saton]

thanks saton,much appreciated..:)
the ring i was referring to was about the same size as the end(bell,is it called.??).not the focus/parrallax ring.?
now,you know why i need clearer instuctions for my scope.
thanks for your time,in answering the ones you knew.:)
cheers al

Thats a sunshade, it screws in the end of the scope (front) keeps out sun glare.

[DIMI3]

hello everybody

Does anywone have a picture of the view true his scope?
I am looking for a scope with thin crosshairs and I am hoping the viper has it.
On the internet I can only find drawings of the crosshair.

I am choosing between the falcon merlin who seems to have thin crosshairs and the mtc viper , but I can't find real pictures.

help is much appreciated

sorry for my bad english

[albob]

Thats a sunshade, it screws in the end of the scope (front) keeps out sun glare.


sorry about the poor discription,but this ring is the size ot the sunshade,but no where near as long.(maybe a 1/4th in width)
i`ve looked at it carefully and it has a thread on it,so does it go where the sunshade goes,i.e,screw into the bell of the scope.not sure of the purpose of it.???:confused:
thanks for the help.
cheers al

[Davestate]

Could it be to protect the threads if the flip-up is not fitted...? ;)

[albob]

Could it be to protect the threads if the flip-up is not fitted...? ;)

i thought that too but,wanted another opinion..:rolleyes:
thanks al

[Davestate]

their is mention of a silver tool..what is that,i have 2 silver spacer looking things in a half moon shape.??don`t know what they are for.??

These are for screwing the flip-ups in & out.;)
Next...:D

[Pod]

sorry about the poor discription,but this ring is the size ot the sunshade,but no where near as long.(maybe a 1/4th in width)
i`ve looked at it carefully and it has a thread on it,so does it go where the sunshade goes,i.e,screw into the bell of the scope.not sure of the purpose of it.???:confused:
thanks for the help.
cheers al

When you unscrew the flip up to fit the sunshade, this ring is the adapter. It screws into the end of the scope and presents the thread for the sunshade. Once the sunshade is on you can screw the flip up into the end of the sunshade.

[Davestate]

When you unscrew the flip up to fit the sunshade, this ring is the adapter. It screws into the end of the scope and presents the thread for the sunshade. Once the sunshade is on you can screw the flip up into the end of the sunshade.

Correct - just checked.:D But as I said earlier, it also screws into the end of the sunshade to protect the threads if using the flip-up first...:D

[albob]

These are for screwing the flip-ups in & out.;)
Next...:D

thank you for that.
they don`t look like tools(admitting,..i`ve not opened the packet that they are in.)
things are starting to make more sense.
cheers al

[albob]

Correct - just checked.:D But as I said earlier, it also screws into the end of the sunshade to protect the threads if using the flip-up first...:D

thanks for that,i wish the instructions,were as good as you lot.:)
thanks again.
i`m getting a better understanding of my scope.
the scopes,that i`ve had before a very ,very basic compared to this scope.
al

[verminhunter]

Had the same probs too albob,but sorted now;) :D
If you need any more info on the scope give us a shout ok.
Enjoy your scope.

[flims]

hi guys, since you have all used these scopes, can anyone tell me if the adjustments on the turrets are repeatable? i want to use it for dialing in.
secondly what whats the maximum amount of elevational travel where the inner lenses are actually moving?

thank you.

[albob]

thanks all.
just taken the flip up off the end(bell) ,then had to fit the ring(which is the adapter)for the sunshade and then fit the flip up on the end(bell).
cheers guys,much easier with the instructions,you have given.
the two "spacer`s" as i called them,are the tools for undoing the flip ups.
thanks for all the help,from the above guys,you are stars.:rolleyes:
cheers al

[albob]

Had the same probs too albob,but sorted now;) :D
If you nrrd any more info on the scope give us a shout ok.
Enjoy your scope.

thanks,now sorted .
thanks to this thread.will be trying the scope on sunday.
will ask if i need any more info,thanks verminhunter.
cheers al
ps,hope this helps others and don`t be put off buying this scope because of the instructions,as i think it is superb value for the money.:)

[albob]

ooops,just read the sticky.:eek:
sorry.
al

[Airbrush]

Got a second hand one off Jumbo this morning.

First impressions are the same as every one else's it seems.

As soon as my ticket comes through,this puppy is going on an Annie 1417.:cool:

Could be a couple of months wait though.:( :mad:

Andy.

[Gary C]

Hi chaps
Sorry for the standard of the manuals. In hindsight the copying was simply not up to scratch. However - I have found a setting on the photocopier that makes a massive difference!
They will always be photocopies - I don't think the average customer wants to pay a few quid extra for the privilige of a glossy manual he only reads once - but now will be much more legible.

Anybody wants replacements e-mail us at mtcoptics.co.uk and we'll post

[albob]

Hi chaps
Sorry for the standard of the manuals. In hindsight the copying was simply not up to scratch. However - I have found a setting on the photocopier that makes a massive difference!
They will always be photocopies - I don't think the average customer wants to pay a few quid extra for the privilige of a glossy manual he only reads once - but now will be much more legible.

Anybody wants replacements e-mail us at mtcoptics.co.uk and we'll post

well done gary for sorting this out.nice to know that people listen.
i will be sending for the instructions.
thanks al

[bengarzy]

I have one of these, I am a fussy old sod and I have found this to be remarkable value for money, I rate the turret system as one of the best I have used, the sidewheel is better than my Nikon, optics are very bright and clear, better than Nikko and on par with Bushnell Legend to my eyes, although eye position is critical at highest mag (as it is on most scopes) but as I only use max mag to look at bullet holes that doesnt worry me

The big problem for me is what gun to put it on, I think .177 air rifle for now as I want to try out that rather nice ret, I will probably eventually put it on a .308 where the holdover ballistic lines would also be rather handy at longer ranges, although as that rifle is stainless I will probably go for the nice blingy silver 3-12 version:D

Also a very nice looking scope in a Tactical sort of chunky way:)

Well done MTC

Baz
Baz, how did you get on with that Korea thing I gave you? what a pile.

Ben

[Gary C]

Baz, how did you get on with that Korea thing I gave you? what a pile.

Ben

That's no way to describe your old au pair :eek:

[delta1]

Gary, would it be possible to produce the instructions as a downloadable file (pdf)?
Or build them into a page of your website?

This may save you postage etc, and allow people to download copies as they wish.

[Gary C]

Gary, would it be possible to produce the instructions as a downloadable file (pdf)?
Or build them into a page of your website?

This may save you postage etc, and allow people to download copies as they wish.

If I had a clue how to do it it would be great:confused:

I'll take a look next week - website will need updating

[Ruger_shooter]

These viper scopes seem to be outstanding value for money. Would the 6-24 x56 be suitable for use on a centrefire(204) or are these designed exclusively for the airgun market?

Hoping the answer is - very suitable indeed! :cool:

[d.bessell]

Hi I have got Daves viper on my S200 and its great he aint getting it back not no way
love Chrissy

[verminhunter]

Right finished shooting at 5.30 pm today with the mrf which has the 4-16x50 modle and it truly is a nice scope lads,once you suss the points for your trejectory this is a nice pointable scope with sheer clarity crystal clear.
Nice bit of kit .;)

[albob]

Right finished shooting at 5.30 pm today with the mrf which has the 4-16x50 modle and it truly is a nice scope lads,once you suss the points for your trejectory this is a nice pointable scope with sheer clarity crystal clear.
Nice bit of kit .;)

fully agree.
:D
al

[rapidpaulus]

have just been to see nickpan,memeber of bbs,all i can say is wow,nickpan has all of them in stock,they are awesome for the money,well built etc..better start saving..:)

[georgey]

Well I read all the hype about these scopes and it made me bite the bullet and go out and get one. I got the 4-16x50 Viper. I fitted it to my S400 today with a set of mounts that I bought seperate as the ones that come with it are slightly to big for the scope rails, Gary even offered to have them sorted for me and loan me a pair while they were away, excellent customer service. Anyway, first impressions are wow there is a lot going on, but now I have fitted it to my rifle and been out with it today I must admit I think it's the perfect hunting combo. The scopes image is very clear and the reticule is great, it's pin sharp. I have heard all the HFT boys going on about the scope just snapping in to focus and always wondered what they were on about now I know the scope does just this at the set distances on the side focus ring. The scope itself looks very well made. I zeroed the scope in today in around 20 shots the 1/8 adjustment is very fine and there are positive clicks from the locking turrets which work great as well I must admit. The metal scope covers are quite good better than the plastic ones I have on my other scopes. All in all the complete package is very good and I can't fault the customer service, this scope has definitely pushed me in to having a bash at a HFT event some time this year. Well recommended piece of kit.:)

[C3PO_1]

Looks like my birthday present for next month is sorted :)

[Paddy_SP]

Does anyone know if the sidewheel on these scopes will clear the mag on a Rapid? :confused:

[lspdog]

Hi Paddy

side wheel fouled on my MFR .177 mag , but its not really needed , just looks cool!:D

[Gary C]

The sidewheel can be used by leaving it out over the I/R binnacle if you don't want to use I/R. Not ideal but if you have a protruding mag it works ok. On my 410 I leave it off for zeroing and when hunting fill a mag, load it. then slip the s/W ON
Unlike rimmys the amount of shapes and sizes of air rifles is frightening

[kdubya]

These viper scopes seem to be outstanding value for money. Would the 6-24 x56 be suitable for use on a centrefire(204) or are these designed exclusively for the airgun market?

Hoping the answer is - very suitable indeed! :cool:
interested in the answer to this myself so come on anygood on CF? I noted baz was going to give it a try but have not seen any feedback of the results.
cheers KW

[Gary C]

Baz is using them onto rifles as big as .243, as have lots of others. We have given him one to put on a real biggun now in the hope that it breaks and we can improve...

[BENSPEED888]

Does anyone know if the sidewheel on these scopes will clear the mag on a Rapid? :confused:

when i tried mine on my mfr, you could remove the mag, thanks to the fact that the sidewheel has steps around the outside:) i don't use the viper on my rapid though, because i cant shoot with any scope that requires risers above standard theoben mount hight:( i'm stuck with 25mm tube 44mm objective, but the mfr fitts me so well in that setup that it is worth it:)

[C3PO_1]

Would I need to buy additional (presumably higher) mounts for the x50 scope for my AA S410?

[georgey]

Would I need to buy additional (presumably higher) mounts for the x50 scope for my AA S410?

Hi there m8, the mounts are slightly to big with the Viper scope I had and slid off the rail. However Gary C offered to get these sorted and borrow me a pair while they were away, excellent service I thought. However, I couldn't wait and bought a set. Excellent scope best reticule I have seen and pin sharp optics. YOU WON'T BE DISSAPPOINTED!;)

[kdubya]

Ok my minds sort of made up? I intend to pick a viper up next time I am passing swillington (about a fortnight) my question is which model I intend to fit it to a .243 it already has 30mm, leupold high mounts fitted so do I go for the 50mm or 56mm objective?
cheers KW

[Gary C]

Ok my minds sort of made up? I intend to pick a viper up next time I am passing swillington (about a fortnight) my question is which model I intend to fit it to a .243 it already has 30mm, leupold high mounts fitted so do I go for the 50mm or 56mm objective?
cheers KW

PM Baz on here mate

[pierred]

Have the 4-16-50 fitted to my sako finnlight 243 had aboout 250 rounds through it and works a treat use the 6-24-56 on the hmr as the small hole from the 17 needs extra mag when zeroing.
Have a friend who intends to put the same on his tikka 308 after he used mine Baz introduced me to the scope sometime ago and with that recommendation and Garys no bollox guarantee i dont think you can go wrong
on a personal note if these scopes where twice the price i would still be using them and thinking i`d had a bargain, also we have tried these with n/v and lamp ,they work very nicely with both.;)

[kdubya]

Have the 4-16-50 fitted to my sako finnlight 243 had aboout 250 rounds through it and works a treat use the 6-24-56 on the hmr as the small hole from the 17 needs extra mag when zeroing.
Have a friend who intends to put the same on his tikka 308 after he used mine Baz introduced me to the scope sometime ago and with that recommendation and Garys no bollox guarantee i dont think you can go wrong
on a personal note if these scopes where twice the price i would still be using them and thinking i`d had a bargain, also we have tried these with n/v and lamp ,they work very nicely with both.;)

thanks for that much appreciated, looks like the 50 will do now can I wait two weeks or do I phone in the old drastic plastic tommorow?
cheers KW

[Airbrush]

Anybody find that the focus is a tad too tight to turn on theirs.

If so will it loosen up with use.

Cheers.

Andy.

[Gary C]

They loosen up. We requested them tight because we didn't want a sloppy one with a big sidewheel on

[Airbrush]

They loosen up. We requested them tight because we didn't want a sloppy one with a big sidewheel on

Was hoping you'd say that.;) :)

Andy.

[Gary C]

and if it doesn't.....just let us know:)

[verminhunter]

Gary I was out yesterday with the mfr fitted with the viper 4-16x50 right up till 6.30pm,got afew bunnies and I must say its a superb scope,really nice and accurate witha clear vision right up to dusk.Take my hat off to you mate it is the finest scope any air gunner could ever want with a price tag that dont blow a hole in your pocket.Nice one.:)

ps.The more I see through it the more I want to shoot.

[Gary C]

Gary I was out yesterday with the mfr fitted with the viper 4-16x50 right up till 6.30pm,got afew bunnies and I must say its a superb scope,really nice and accurate witha clear vision right up to dusk.Take my hat off to you mate it is the finest scope any air gunner could ever want with a price tag that dont blow a hole in your pocket.Nice one.:)

ps.The more I see through it the more I want to shoot.

Thanks Costas
I'd love to claim credit for the Optics but that's the factory. They make glass as OEM for a lot of the top manufacturers. It makes me laugh when I see some of the comparisons in here because I know that they have the same glass as others that have been lauded..:D
We just designed the ret and specified the "package"

[C3PO_1]

Thanks Costas
I'd love to claim credit for the Optics but that's the factory. They make glass as OEM for a lot of the top manufacturers. It makes me laugh when I see some of the comparisons in here because I know that they have the same glass as others that have been lauded..:

Hi -- what other manufacturers use the same glass then?

[Gary C]

Hi -- what other manufacturers use the same glass then?

Sorry mate, the who's and why's are company confidential.

[Eagleman]

Sorry mate, the who's and why's are company confidential.

Not at all surprised but that one little bit of information would be very nice to have!

[Gary C]

I'm sure mate. However the big boys don't want to publicise the folks that provide their parts now do they?

[C3PO_1]

I'm sure mate. However the big boys don't want to publicise the folks that provide their parts now do they?

I know -- Hawke Airmax series....

[Gary C]

I know -- Hawke Airmax series....

Not THAT big.....:eek: :eek:

[kdubya]

got my 4x16x50 today mounted it and boresighted on my .243 it and its lined up enough to get me "on paper" without me yet adjusting it (thats got to be a first)
looking both at it and through it, well impressed for the money
cheers KW

[pierred]

Hate to say it but i told you so ,a blindin piece of kit glad your happy with it now all you have to do is go and enjoy it.

[rabbit_richard]

Got my 6x24x56 viper today and i can see straight away why people are buying these scopes , not only for the quality but for the service from MTC SCOPES , TOP CLASS . ;) Like the scope a lot Gary ;)

[jamie g]

Got my 6x245x56 viper today and i can see straight away why people are buying these scopes , not only for the quality but for the service from MTC SCOPES , TOP CLASS . ;) Like the scope a lot Gary ;)

6x245X56 245 M8 THATS SOME SCOPE :eek: :D :D ;)

[Pepperdog]

Finish could be better, black started coming off both mine after only a few weeks.:( Optics are just great though:D I suppose you cant have perfection for the price.

Overall a very good scope:)

[60/60]

Got my 6x24x56 viper today and i can see straight away why people are buying these scopes , not only for the quality but for the service from MTC SCOPES , TOP CLASS . ;) Like the scope a lot Gary ;)

the scope has nothing to do with gary its sammie:)

[Airbrush]

Finish could be better, black started coming off both mine after only a few weeks.:( Optics are just great though:D I suppose you cant have perfection for the price.

Overall a very good scope:)

Agree,but it gives it that authentic military look to match the styling.;) :D

Andy.

[verminhunter]

Went put tonight shooting bunnies with the mfr,all I'am gona say is that this is one damm good scope.

[bob64]

every body goes on about these scopes ,but nobody mentions about the
turrets say 1/8 clicks ,so why is it marked up on the turret 1 to 2 etc four clicks and same for windage,
when it should be 8 clicks or as nobody noticest this yet.
the turrets are marked in correct ,and paying this for a scope surely
they should be marked up correctly.i phoned them up about this did not get
no answers,so sent mine back to the shop got complete refund.
i do long range shooting so this is no good to when all the time you have to
remember to double every thing. this my own opinion.
bob64

[baz]

every body goes on about these scopes ,but nobody mentions about the
turrets say 1/8 clicks ,so why is it marked up on the turret 1 to 2 etc four clicks and same for windage,
when it should be 8 clicks or as nobody noticest this yet.
the turrets are marked in correct ,and paying this for a scope surely
they should be marked up correctly.i phoned them up about this did not get
no answers,so sent mine back to the shop got complete refund.
i do long range shooting so this is no good to when all the time you have to
remember to double every thing. this my own opinion.
bob64

So when you dial in you look EVERYTIME to see how many clicks to the inch:rolleyes: I shoot long range and even though I never dial it in I think I could remember how many clicks to the inch:D

Superb ret for long range shooting, I am glad the new Mambas have low turrets though as the Vipers do tend to take a lot of room up in cabinet, especially when you have several rifles fitted with them, and if you dont dial in theres no point in having such nice target turrets;)

[Gary C]

How bizarre:confused:

Great scope, great optics and a bloke comes on and rants about the turret numbering system. We have had a few queries on this, and when I checked the manufacturer has designed it a little oddly.
However the other guys had enough nous to work with it and were very happy.
Most folk seemed to want to turn to a number not count the clicks so it wasn't an issue. The turret is of course numbered.

Still. Obviously worth a rant I guess because I couldn't wave a magic wand and change it.:o

[C3PO_1]

Are the optics on the Mamba different (apart from magnification) to those on the Viper? Need a new scope for my Rapid!

[Gary C]

Are the optics on the Mamba different (apart from magnification) to those on the Viper? Need a new scope for my Rapid!

same mate, just lighter and low profile turrets

[C3PO_1]

same mate, just lighter and low profile turrets

Ok thanks ... how would you say the optics compare with a Bushnell Legend, as this is my favourite scope right now....

[Gary C]

Ok thanks ... how would you say the optics compare with a Bushnell Legend, as this is my favourite scope right now....

Not for me to say mate. Come to the Midland and take a look

[verminhunter]

Gary away from scopes for a mo, you say "better a Gypsy then a Dinlo," whats a Dinlo when its at home ,cause thats a new one on me.:D

[Gary C]

Means an F'ing idiot Costas. Couple of the best 'uns on here are Romani and I'm fed up with my mates getting ripped by half wits

[Gary C]

PLEASE PUT ME RIGHT IF IM WRONG BUT THE TURRET NUMBERS I FIND VERY GOOD AS I SET MY ZERO TO 40 YARDS SET THE TURRET TO ZERO THEN I WORK OUT HOW MENY CLICKS TO 30 AND 50 YARDS MARK IT WITH TIPEX.JUST MY WAY OF MAKING USE OF THEM:confused:

That's way too easy Mark. :rolleyes:
I can't see too much of a problem but then each to their own

[verminhunter]

Means an F'ing idiot Costas. Couple of the best 'uns on here are Romani and I'm fed up with my mates getting ripped by half wits







Okaa I'am with ya.:D

[petroc]

just bought one of these
fitted it to my s10 with the mounts supplied fits really well but the big sidewheel fouls the mag if i fit the scope where i would lke it.
the optics are very good, but fussy about having your eye in the right place (i consider this a good thing)
turrets great! i like the way they lock once set.
reticule very good, i can get it to be, and stay sharp at any range.
all the goodies and tools you need to fit it.and a warranty with people who actually give a s#it
overall very pleased.

[C3PO_1]

Not for me to say mate. Come to the Midland and take a look

Is that this venue: http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214343

I'm coming down for it!

[Gary C]

We'll have them there mate

(supplier willing)

[AHPP]

What's the difference between the Viper 4-16x50 and the Mamba 4-16x50?

I'm looking for something with side-wheel parallax and low and very simple turrets that will work well with a Cobra Merlin NV monocular.



Gary and Sammie - These are sounding seriously impressive!

[C3PO_1]

What's the difference between the Viper 4-16x50 and the Mamba 4-16x50?

I'm looking for something with side-wheel parallax and low and very simple turrets that will work well with a Cobra Merlin NV monocular.



Gary and Sammie - These are sounding seriously impressive!

The former has tactical turrents, the latter low profile turrets. The Mamba also has a removable IR switch in the IR option.

[AHPP]

So the Mamba has side parallax in the 4-16x50 model?

[C3PO_1]

So the Mamba has side parallax in the 4-16x50 model?

Yup -- the optics are the same as the Viper. When I had a look through the Mamba it looked very clear indeed. The reticle too is excellent.

[AHPP]

Thanks. The Mamba is sounding pretty damn good.

[C3PO_1]

Thanks. The Mamba is sounding pretty damn good.

Definitely ... it is optically equivalent of my Bushnell Legend, to my eyes anyway, and that scope was superb.

[tonka]

I'm a bit of a newbie so would appreciate some advice. I own an AA S400 and only use it for target shooting (no hunting) but may in the future want to enter the odd competition. I own an AGS 3-9x50 scope at the moment (no parallax adjustment) but recently used the same gun with a MTC Viper 4-16x50 fitted. Even at my inexperienced level I appreciated the difference in terms of clarity but the MTC costs double what I paid for the AGS. The question is: should I stick with the AGS as its appropriate for the type of shooting I do or invest in a scope such as the Viper with parallax adjustment? What other benefits would the Viper bring over my AGS scope? Your views / comments / opinions would be most welcome.

[Gary C]

If you can see OK with the scope you're using keep your money in your pocket, before spalshing out ask why you need another scope. If you have a need and the Viper ticks the box it's a good buy. If you don't need to, don't spend.