lightstream vs bushnell

[TARGETZERO]

light stream arrived this morning,thanks kev,after ive had a play with it,i will attempt my first review on the subject,will it be as good as the hype,or will the elite reign supreme.watch this space:D perry

[dbc-65]

:p Perry we all wait with baited breath for your thoughts.:D :D :D

Cheers
Dave

[frank]

light stream arrived this morning,thanks kev,after ive had a play with it,i will attempt my first review on the subject,will it be as good as the hype,or will the elite reign supreme.watch this space:D perry

Looking forward to that:)

[Y GWIR]

Which model did you buy?

[Davestate]

There is only 1 Lightstream available.;)
As for v's Elite; if you mean the 4200 - no contest, Bushnell all the way.:cool:

[Y GWIR]

There is only 1 Lightstream available.;)
As for v's Elite; if you mean the 4200 - no contest, Bushnell all the way.:cool:

There are two, the one that BAR are stocking for £389 and another you can buy direct from the manufacturers for around £480 I think. I will try looking for a link.http://www.light-stream.co.uk/

[TARGETZERO]

right lads heres me first thoughts on usage of the lightstream today at the club,on taking the scope out the box,to be honest i wasnt that impressed,the overall build quality seems fine,but for a scope at this price i expected more,looking through the scope for the first time dissapointed me also,bieng told it had the quality to rival lupies just isnt true,it has got very good optics,but to rival lupies or bushnell i very much doubt it:( i proceeded to the range to zero the scope,on taking the caps of there was what seemed like a decent set ov turrets,these turrets are 1/8 moa with a dual spring system,on turning them alas i was disapointed again,they feel to me very mechanical,but with positive clicks with each turn,to compare with the elite there is no comparison:( it says on the box that the scope is near enough optically centred,but most scope manafactures claim the same thing,which we all know isnt true.the lense system is comprised ov 11 scratch proof lenses,origanally developed for military/tatical use,with a glass etched reticle in the first focal plane,basically once zeroed,you can use your mag on any setting and the impact point will never change,the ret also has extra sub tension lines for hold over/under.this part ov the scope did impress me:D from a hunting point ov view,sniper style it has its uses,for the likes ov hft i cant find one,and know there is cheaper scopes out there that will do the job,the scope has got good edge to edge clarity,pin sharp not so sure about,the bushnell elite is the better optically,some people might disagree,it could be my eyes but i doubt it.the over all finish to the scope is an anodised shiny effect,not so sure if i like it,its paralex ajustable front lense is ok,with a focal range ov 10m to infinity,it also comes with a sure lock eye piece,which works fine and didnt work loose, this 25mm tube scope wieghing 22.2 ounces and 15.1 inches in lengh,costing £389.00 and £12.95 for the shade,in my eyes has been over hyped,dont get me wrong i do like this scope a lot,but to me the elite beats it hands down on every aspect,the best part ov the lightstream for me is the reticle,the way it does what it says on the box.would i buy another one? no.for the money ide buy a bushnell:D if i get a chance ile get out with the lamp and do a bit ov dusk and dawn and see how it does under certain conditions,its supposed to be fog proof,and anyone whos shot at certain temperatures during these time,knows what happens to your lenses just when you need them,and theres nothing worse than looking down a fogged up scope,this is my first attempt at a review ov sorts so be gentle:D ps thanks geoff for today hope you enjoyed the advice:D perry

[lionel]

Thanks for the informative review. I was very interested in comparisons with the Bushnell Elites and you've provided a very detailed one.

Lionel:)

[frank]

right lads heres me first thoughts on usage of the lightstream today at the club,on taking the scope out the box,to be honest i wasnt that impressed,the overall build quality seems fine,but for a scope at this price i expected more,looking through the scope for the first time dissapointed me also,bieng told it had the quality to rival lupies just isnt true,it has got very good optics,but to rival lupies or bushnell i very much doubt it:( i proceeded to the range to zero the scope,on taking the caps of there was what seemed like a decent set ov turrets,these turrets are 1/8 moa with a dual spring system,on turning them alas i was disapointed again,they feel to me very mechanical,but with positive clicks with each turn,to compare with the elite there is no comparison:( it says on the box that the scope is near enough optically centred,but most scope manafactures claim the same thing,which we all know isnt true.the lense system is comprised ov 11 scratch proof lenses,origanally developed for military/tatical use,with a glass etched reticle in the first focal plane,basically once zeroed,you can use your mag on any setting and the impact point will never change,the ret also has extra sub tension lines for hold over/under.this part ov the scope did impress me:D from a hunting point ov view,sniper style it has its uses,for the likes ov hft i cant find one,and know there is cheaper scopes out there that will do the job,the scope has got good edge to edge clarity,pin sharp not so sure about,the bushnell elite is the better optically,some people might disagree,it could be my eyes but i doubt it.the over all finish to the scope is an anodised shiny effect,not so sure if i like it,its paralex ajustable front lense is ok,with a focal range ov 10m to infinity,it also comes with a sure lock eye piece,which works fine and didnt work loose, this 25mm tube scope wieghing 22.2 ounces and 15.1 inches in lengh,costing £389.00 and £12.95 for the shade,in my eyes has been over hyped,dont get me wrong i do like this scope a lot,but to me the elite beats it hands down on every aspect,the best part ov the lightstream for me is the reticle,the way it does what it says on the box.would i buy another one? no.for the money ide buy a bushnell:D if i get a chance ile get out with the lamp and do a bit ov dusk and dawn and see how it does under certain conditions,its supposed to be fog proof,and anyone whos shot at certain temperatures during these time,knows what happens to your lenses just when you need them,and theres nothing worse than looking down a fogged up scope,this is my first attempt at a review ov sorts so be gentle:D ps thanks geoff for today hope you enjoyed the advice:D perry

So...if there was a bushnell elite 4200 available with a first focal plane reticle and para adjustable from 10m to infinity, rather than the 15m or so at present, that would be just about spot on:)

[blue]

Thanks for the informative review. I was very interested in comparisons with the Bushnell Elites and you've provided a very detailed one.

Lionel:)

Lionel
Phewww......sigh of relief for you there..;)

[Pod]

I guess a lot of scope things are personal tastes with few things being actually objective and measurable. For instance I like the very positive clicks on the Light Stream turrets.

I must confess I have never looked through an Elite 4200, but I have looked through or owned EB Sniper, Bushnell Legend, Nikko Sniper, a Leupold Mk4 PR and quite a few other scopes besides, and as far as I am concerned the Light Stream is the best I have seen.

Don't think I'll bother looking through a 4200 - it could prove to be expensive :o :D

[ross H]

i have had a brief look through a bushnell 4200 and own a 4-12 3200, the lightstream i have had a play with is definatly nicer to look through, i have also been playing with a ziess lately and that iis clearer than te lightstream

[TARGETZERO]

Paul i think some peoples eyes are more suited to one make of scope than others my shooting buds got a nikon monarch & everyone rates them highly (& it is a nice scope )but it doesn't seem as bright & crisp to me as a bushnell scope & nor did the lightstream ,falcon totally agree i think it is to do with what suits you opticly,a bit like going to the optitians,everyones eye sight is totally different,i just prefer the optics on the elite

[blue]

The lightstream looks suspiciously like the old Weaver Tactical that was around a few years ago. Are there plans for a 3-9 x 40 in the pipeline:rolleyes:
From what I remember these were very, very good scopes, but flippin' heavy.

I've just remembered I know someone with a Tactical.

[g.l.w]

Hi Guy,s I shot with Targetzero today, not a short amount of time either Approx 6 hour,s after several changes of rifle [swapping over] i have to say the Bushnell for me, the turret,s as Perry say,s are "his word,s" mechanical, it,s as if there,s no lub whatsoever in them??Or the gearing seems rough cut?? Opticaly no better IMHO than the 10x40 bushnell, focal plane did seem to be bob on!! they are a good scope BUT worth the extra £,s, i,l reserve judgment......g.l.w :rolleyes: :) :)

[nurek]

The lightstream looks suspiciously like the old Weaver Tactical that was around a few years ago. Are there plans for a 3-9 x 40 in the pipeline:rolleyes:
From what I remember these were very, very good scopes, but flippin' heavy.

I've just remembered I know someone with a Tactical.

I have compared both scopes side by side at Wendover (I have a Weaver Tactical 4.5-14x44 and another club member has a Lightstream). These scopes look identical externally (tube, turrets, etc.) looking through them, the reticules are different, otherwise it looks the same scope (the coatings on lenses might be slightly different as well, but I didn’t have enough time to do a proper comparison), also with the Weaver you get screw in caps and sunshade. I like both...

[TARGETZERO]

did i mention i dont like the turrets,defo dont like them after zeroing today.give them loads ov clicks miss a click clickclick miss some clicks,loads ov clicks,poa hardly moved,on any other turret zeroed in 5 10 shots,any one else whos got one noticed this,or have i bought a lightstream copy made in turkey:mad:

[Pod]

did i mention i dont like the turrets,defo dont like them after zeroing today.give them loads ov clicks miss a click clickclick miss some clicks,loads ov clicks,poa hardly moved,on any other turret zeroed in 5 10 shots,any one else whos got one noticed this,or have i bought a lightstream copy made in turkey:mad:

I had this - it turned out that the scope was not held tightly enough in the mounts. I am used to just pinching up mounts but was shown (and whinced whilst being shown) that the mounts needed to be tighter. I think it may be a product of a 25mm tube in 1" mounts combined with the smooth finish on the tube. Anyways after the mounts were tightened I have had no problems at all (for info: BKL single strap highs). The other symptom was not holding zero ;)

[TARGETZERO]

to be honest i never give that a thought,im the same just pinch them up tight,as for mounts im useing bkls double straps,ile have to check that,if the light stream was a person,i think it would ov had a breakdown by now,all the flak its getting:D

[Pod]

to be honest i never give that a thought,im the same just pinch them up tight,as for mounts im useing bkls double straps,ile have to check that,if the light stream was a person,i think it would ov had a breakdown by now,all the flak its getting:D


:D :D

I nearly had one too - brand new Air Wolf, new mounts new scope. One of my worst ever HFT scores! Couldn't zero - chasing POI for weeks. Suspected everything - like you do - and nearly sent scope back for a check over. I decided to get the rifle checked first. Met up with David Snook who gave the rifle a quick once over. He put an allen key and the mounts and checked the tightness... tutted... did 'em all up tight. Went to his range. 5 shots and it was zeroed. It put 5 shots through the same hole at 40 yards (off a bench). I was gobsmacked, well pleased and slightly embarrassed. Since then I have shot 5 Bisley HFT league shoots with it and won 4 of them (scores 56, 59, 58, 60 and 60 - all ex. 60) :) Nowt wrong with that ;)

[TARGETZERO]

lol some time the tiniest details are overlooked,toop scores by the way,love the airwolf cant beat it,sold one recently 22,trying to make me mind up for another 177 brilliant gun

[g.l.w]

toop scores by the way,,T rying to make me mind up for another 177 brilliant gun

Perry you can NEVER EVER make your mind up!!!!!!! your new nick-name is Pawnbroker!!!!:p :p :p :D

[deeps]

Any useful feedback on what these scopes are like under low/fading light conditions. Is the fact that it doesn't have IR that significant ?

[TARGETZERO]

havent had a chance to get out and use it in those conditions yet,if you use the mag on 4.5 forget it,the ret near enough disapears on this setting,so for low light i recon it would be useless,might be wrong here coz i havent tryed it out yet,but i very much doubt it. perry:D

[Saton]

I shoot very early mornings and have had no problem with my lightstream.

[TARGETZERO]

supose it depends on what he means about low light conditions,plus im getting old now so it might be my eyes;) or some thing to do with the made in tiawan sticker i discoverd when i looked down the rear ov the lense:D

[ross H]

i have just purchased a lightstream, unfortunatly i cant tell you how good or bad it is as unfortunatly my ret was in upside down, yer you heard right upside down:mad: they must have good quality control:D i am getting it replaced as i do like the scope but was miffed to find this incedent

[Dave Ramshead]

i have just purchased a lightstream, unfortunatly i cant tell you how good or bad it is as unfortunatly my ret was in upside down, yer you heard right upside down:mad: they must have good quality control:D i am getting it replaced as i do like the scope but was miffed to find this incedent

Quality!:D

[blackscale]

I have a lightstream and cant tell you about poi or ret slow to move on clicks yet , but i can say that the light gathering is brilliant the first focal ret is brill finish is brill turrets are luvly, the guy (forget his name) who owns the company is very very helpful. and if they bring out that bigger mag soon i want one!:) trouble is will have to buy new gun.....mmmm let me see!:rolleyes: :D Compared with my aetec its night and day, But bit worried about previous comments about poi etc! anymore comments?:)

[nurek]

i have just purchased a lightstream, unfortunatly i cant tell you how good or bad it is as unfortunatly my ret was in upside down, yer you heard right upside down:mad: they must have good quality control:D i am getting it replaced as i do like the scope but was miffed to find this incedent

Nice :rolleyes:

Those extra lines through the mil-dots must have been really useful :D

Have you got a replacement yet?

[TARGETZERO]

did i mention i dont like the turrets,defo dont like them after zeroing today.give them loads ov clicks miss a click clickclick miss some clicks,loads ov clicks,poa hardly moved,on any other turret zeroed in 5 10 shots,any one else whos got one noticed this,or have i bought a lightstream copy made in turkey
______________on further investigating the cause only part ov the comments are true above,realising something was wrong, i asked a friend would he take a look at my rifle and scope,as i was haveing difficultys zeroing,these are his findings(by the way the lad who looked at this problem is a well known gun expert;) thanks dave) the gun was the cause ov the turrets running out ov elavation clicks,but when the guns barrel alignment problems were sorted and he was zeroing the scope,it seemed as though there was backlass in the turret,ie the point ov impact didnt seem to move at first,then after the first bit ov movement was taken up,the poa would move with the turret,the only way he knows to prove this ,is to mount the scope to a solid base,then watching the crosshairs move(on a target card)as you dail the scope,a scope with a turret backlass problem should show up with this method.now my friend has told me i can forward this to you alan,and he says, his words not mine,i know some blokes opinion like mine doesnt matter to a scope maker , but you do get the gut feeling when some thing aint quite right,he has seen this type ov thing befor,but on cheap scopes,it is generally caused by the turrets bieng wound in to much,which can damage the return springs.once part ov the problem was sorted ie my gun,it still left me with a turret problem,now the scope is new,how many times are you allowed to turn your turrets befor it effects its precision??? and should it on a scope ov this quality? perry

[TARGETZERO]

ps whats the warranty on this scope? lost my details

[BOB APPLEYARD]

I now have one of the lightsteam 4.5-14x44 FFP Ret.
I must admit that it came with a rifle, and otherwise would not have bought one at the price.
I did however import a Bushnell 4200 for HFT use and thought its light gathering properties dissapointing given the hype. However the real downer was that the mil dots were true at 12 mag as I remember, which I personally found unuseable for HFT. due to the depth of field reduction.
Using the scope at 10x mag resulted in less finite aim points and bracketing difficulties.
Having sold it I cannot now compare the optics side by side with the lightstream.
I would agree with others about the turrets being very rough, although the adjustments seem to correct the POI at near enough to 1/8 MOA.
The selling point for me, has to be that FFP mil dot reticle which equates to 10x mag.
I have the scope on my HW100 bunny gun and can rely on the aim points remaining true as I need to increase the magnification for longer shots.
I would say that the FFP ret would have a purpose to the HFT shooter, being that the subtensions remain the same at your chosen mag. The advantage being that the mag can be reduced slightly,(I find 8x a good choice), helping out with short range clarity.
Exactly contrary to the Bushnell in this respect.
I do like the locking eyebell, no chance of this one shifting.
I have yet to suffer from the scope fogging up, but then again I have yet to use it in really cold wet conditions.
Overall I think its a good hunting scope, but as others have said, rather overpriced, and feel happier, knowing that I didn't buy mine new.
As for HFT I'm sticking with my Leupold Mk4 MRT with IR TMR ret.
(1/2 mil subtensions at 9x mag).
I would be interested to hear any comments on the optics of the Falcon Tactical 10x42 with MP20 ret.

[dbc-65]

ps whats the warranty on this scope? lost my details

Boy am i glad you beat me to the scope, Great write ups about it but wait till you use the Viper. Its the clearest thing ive look through. But ive only looked at scope up to £600.00.

The viper what a saving.

Cheers
Dave

[TARGETZERO]

had a look through one the other day,very nice,orderd the 32x there an then:D just hope its as good as its little brother. perry

[dbc-65]

had a look through one the other day,very nice,orderd the 32x there an then:D just hope its as good as its little brother. perry


The little brother is Great and the big brother should be to. I have zeroed it in which was easy only a few clicks up and it was central but the weather has put me of this week so i hoping to give it a work out on sunday.(woodlands HFT)

Cheers
Dave

[TARGETZERO]

your turn for a review dave:D

[Darren Petts]

Boy am i glad you beat me to the scope, Great write ups about it but wait till you use the Viper. Its the clearest thing ive look through. But ive only looked at scope up to £600.00.

The viper what a saving.

Cheers
Dave

The Viper is well below a Lightstream in optical quality. It's not bad but it's not premier league. The controls are also stiff enough to give Big Nikko users a hard time. The Vipers I've seen have all been a little short in the DOF too IMO. To be fair they aren't in the same price bracket as a Lightstream either though. Perhaps there is variation in the quality of both scopes. I know the Lightstream is made in VERY small batches and I suspect the Viper is too. I doubt that that is an aid to consistent quality.

[dbc-65]

your turn for a review dave:D

(Monday) That if its not cats and dog sunday.

Cheers
Dave

[Gary C]

Can we get back to discussing the Lightstream please chaps. Top scope and deserves not to be sidetracked:)

[sparky]

I have a Lightstream here for testing,i won't be mounting it on the gun until after the HFT season finishes, but so far very impressed with the optics, DOF and RET.


Pete

[ross H]

ok i have my replacement now, alan sent a van over to pick it up as soon as he heard, got it back and i have also got a free sunshade comming for my inconvience, good service. now for the scope, the dots dont acctually drop in for me but to be honest i didnt expect them too, preliminary tests show 1st mildot top of kill for 45 as the dot for me comes in at about 42 yards with my 30 yard zero although this gun doesnt tend to come in at true mildots anyway, the clarity is very nice and build quality is good, box looks a bit cheap but who really cares about a box, the turrets dont click how i would expect them too but they are very posotive, mine seems to white out quite easiy when used on the higher mags but is far less prone on under 10x. you can see the side of the scope until the mag reaches about 6 but that isnt a huge effort, main thing is alan's customer service is top:)

[Herx77]

had a look through one the other day,very nice,orderd the 32x there an then:D just hope its as good as its little brother. perry
Had a look at one at the Midlands And at Shepreth round of UKAHFT. Impressed with the entry power model but would like the 32 when they come out,have to wait as they have not got any in the country yet. Nice clear optics, like the graticle and sub-divisions, and the price seems right.Gary has a good guarantee also.Plus the extra goodies.' no hat'? though.:D HERX77

[Pod]

.... preliminary tests show 1st mildot top of kill for 45 as the dot for me comes in at about 42 yards with my 30 yard zero...

Try some higher mounts Ross :)

[ross H]

Try some higher mounts Ross :)

its on sportsmatch or bisley (same thing iirc) mediums, if i go high mounts that will be a pain for close ones and if i go for bkl's they are crap, what do you think paul, at the moment the 1st mildot comes in at about 43 yards, and at 45 it is about 3mm lower than the mildot:)

[Pod]

I use high BKLs and a 33 yard zero.

If you have Chairgun, put in velocity of 775fps, pellet weight 8.44, BC of 0.024, scope height of 1.85 inches and zero at 33 yards - that gives 1st mil-dot just past 46 yards. Gives quite a safety margin in that if I put the mil-dot in the centre of the kz, it should hit from 37 yards +. Bit risky but it takes the edge of having to range guess accurately. A 35 yard zero would be better but the garden isn't long enough :(

If you haven't got Chairgun then e-mail/pm me your set up details and I'll get back to you :)

[ross H]

so either im taking a trip to dowlings tommorow for some more mounts or i change my zero to 35 yards, that should bring it in, to bring it in on first mildot for 45 i had to adjust 6 clicks high but they are 1/8 rather than 1/4. i think i could be having an odd zero as my gun is mega cant sensative already

[Pod]

Depends on your scope height at the mo :o Any idea what it is?

[ross H]

id say 45mm within 10mm:o

[Pod]

Hmmmmm :confused: 4.5cms with 30 yard zero gives 1st mil-dot bang on 45 yards. Well near enough... ;)

I think yours must be a lot lower - more like 1.2 inch (30mm) :confused:

[ross H]

re measuring it is 1.2 to the top of the barrel but i have a very chunky barrel on the annie so bout 33/35mm would be right, thanks for this paul, i have chairgun but it just onfuses me:o

[Pod]

It is damned hard to measure accurately anyway :(

That gives 1.1 to 1.2 mil-dots at 45 yards. Bang on at about 43 yards.

I am assuming you are running at about 775 fps?

[ross H]

yer bout 783, thanks for this paul, so would you say to change zero or scope hieght

[TARGETZERO]

msn messenger:D

[Pod]

I would go higher mounts. If you push your zero range out further on low mounts you will have a high zenith i.e. with a 35 yard zero you are +0.6 mil-dot at 15 to 25 yards :eek:

Having said that, a 32 yard zero with your current set up may work for you. 1st mil-dot is at 45 yards.

Make the effort with Chairgun - it is well worth it ;)

[Pod]

msn messenger:D
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[ross H]

thanks paul, looks like im going to dowlings today

[ross H]

i went to march tackle to save the petrol, what a mistake:mad: i wont make it twice;) the scope is now higher off the barrel, at the moment its hard to say if it has worked but i will know tommorow thanks paul:)

[TARGETZERO]

HERES AN UPDATE ON MY FIRST INITIAL FINDINGS ON THIS SCOPE,AT FIRST I WAS A BIT DISSAPOINTED,ACOUPLE OV DETAILS I FAILED TO NOTICE WHEN FIRST SETTING UP MY ZERO,LED ME TO BELIEVE this scopes turrets were crap,but i take that all back,i still think the turrets are a bit mechanical,but after a good session today i cant fault them,there was something wrong with my barrel,it had took a slight knock somewhere along the lines,and caused the initial zeroing problem ov the turrets running out ov clicks,this was rectified by a friend,and today zeroing inn was a piece ov ,you get the picture:D any way the scope has held zero,and it has been put through its paces today believe me,and its hit everything aimed at no problem,this may seem contary to what i first thought about this scope,but i think its starting to win me over,the optics at first seemed ok,and nothing special, but after practising in near enough all the light spectrums,i cant realy fault it,its still not as good as the bushnell opticly but very good none the less. perry

[bengarzy]

HERES AN UPDATE ON MY FIRST INITIAL FINDINGS ON THIS SCOPE,AT FIRST I WAS A BIT DISSAPOINTED,ACOUPLE OV DETAILS I FAILED TO NOTICE WHEN FIRST SETTING UP MY ZERO,LED ME TO BELIEVE this scopes turrets were crap,but i take that all back,i still think the turrets are a bit mechanical,but after a good session today i cant fault them,there was something wrong with my barrel,it had took a slight knock somewhere along the lines,and caused the initial zeroing problem ov the turrets running out ov clicks,this was rectified by a friend,and today zeroing inn was a piece ov ,you get the picture:D any way the scope has held zero,and it has been put through its paces today believe me,and its hit everything aimed at no problem,this may seem contary to what i first thought about this scope,but i think its starting to win me over,the optics at first seemed ok,and nothing special, but after practising in near enough all the light spectrums,i cant realy fault it,its still not as good as the bushnell opticly but very good none the less. perry

Its a real shame that you didnt find the problem with the rifle before you wrote the original test, I cant believe that you didnt know that the the turrets are1/8" of an inch per click at 100 yards and that they are DOUBLE sprung for perfect repeatability.
These scopes have been specialy built to Alans exacting standards with cost coming second regardless and then someone who obviously has little understanding of either the rifle or scope puts himself forward as an expert and writes the sort of drivel we have above, if your going to write a report make sure you have a little understanding of the subject and can use the odd full stop and comma in the right place.

Ben

[Pod]

^^^^ :rolleyes: :D :D :D

[TARGETZERO]

Its a real shame that you didnt find the problem with the rifle before you wrote the original test, I cant believe that you didnt know that the the turrets are1/8" of an inch per click at 100 yards and that they are DOUBLE sprung for perfect repeatability.
These scopes have been specialy built to Alans exacting standards with cost coming second regardless and then someone who obviously has little understanding of either the rifle or scope puts himself forward as an expert and writes the sort of drivel we have above, if your going to write a report make sure you have a little understanding of the subject and can use the odd full stop and comma in the right place.

Ben
FIRST POINT,I WAS ASKED TO DO THE WRITE UP,SECOND POINT I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN EXPERT,THIRD POINT THE GUN WAS PURCHASED OFF THIS SITE,ON THE DAY OV THE FIRST TEST,THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME IT HAD BEEN SHOT BY ME,THIER SEEMED ABSOULUTLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THE GUN,AFTER GETTING BOTH ITEMS LOOKED AT BY A PROFFESSIONAL, HE CLAIMED THE BARREL HAD BEEN KNOCKED ,NOT ENOUGH TO NOTICE ,BUT ENOUGH TO MAKE A SLIGHT DIFFERANCE,I HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO ALAN OVER THIS,AND TOLD HIM I WOULD POST AN UPDATE AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT WHAT THE SCORE WAS,I KNEW ID GET SOME CRAP OVER WHAT ,I INITIALLY WROTE,I COULD OV LEFT IT,BUT ITS A REVIEW AND THESE ARE MY FINDINGS,NOT YOURS.I STILL THINK THE SCOPE IS AN ALRIGHT SCOPE BUT NOT WORTH THE MONEY.AND LAST POINT ILE KEEP TO MESELF:mad: PS THIS WOULNDNT HAPPEN TO HAVE ENY BEARINGS ON YOUR ABOVE COMMENTS WOULD IT I have some of these in stock and they are truly top notch, sold 2 already and users have both already got back to me to say how amazed they are at the overall quality and specialy the price. Light Stream will go far..........

Ben

[blue]

Why should someone who is not deemed an expert be deemed incapable of writing a review?
If you use a scope, your perception of the piece of equipment is valid, especially to yourself.
Is it a requirement that we adopt the "Airgun World" or "Airgunner" method of reviewing kit:confused:
As for the correct use of grammer, should he perhaps have dictated his findings to someone to write for him:confused: That seems to work in the odd magazine too.

I had no problem in either reading or understanding the review. The barrel issue was unfortunate, but it was admitted and as stated, did not affect the optical quality. As it stands, that has not changed since the initial review.

[TARGETZERO]

:rolleyes: ;)

[dbc-65]

I had no problem in either reading or understanding the review. The barrel issue was unfortunate, but it was admitted and as stated, did not affect the optical quality. As it stands, that has not changed since the initial review.[/QUOTE]
AS FROM BLUE

I'll go alone with that, i was one of the chaps that asked for a veiw of Perry and enjoyed reading it and commenting on it.
Perry saved me from rushing out and spending another load of cash which i thank him and a few others for.

Cheers Perry.

Dave

[TARGETZERO]

thanks dave,just been informed a thread was pulled on this topic,any ideas why???

[TARGETZERO]

These scopes have been specialy built to Alans exacting standards with cost coming second regardless and then someone who obviously has little understanding of either the rifle or scope puts himself forward as an expert and writes the sort of drivel we have above, STRANGELY ENOUGH BEN ON FURTHER INVESTIGATION THE GUN IS ONE OV YOURS,THE LAD WHO HAD IT REGGED GOT IT DONE BY YOURSELF,AND HAS SAID HE HAD TO SHIM HIS OWN SCOPE WHEN HE GOT IT BACK,SO HE COULD ZERO ,NOW IM NOT NO EXPERT LIKE YOUR SELF,AND MAY BE IM SHI#E AT TYPING ,BUT THE GUN THAT CAUSED THE INITIAL PROBLEM,WAS KNOCKED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE ,POINT BIENG EVEN AN EXPERT CAN OVER LOOK CERTAIN THINGS. PERRY

[TARGETZERO]

ONE MORE THING MR TAYLOR I cant believe that you didnt know that the the turrets are1/8" of an inch per click at 100 yards and that they are DOUBLE sprung for perfect repeatability.
IF YOU READ THE FIRST POST,WHICH IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE,YOULL NOTICE YOUR ABOVE COMMENT IS WELL OUT OV TEXT:mad:

[bengarzy]

Why should someone who is not deemed an expert be deemed incapable of writing a review?
If you use a scope, your perception of the piece of equipment is valid, especially to yourself.
Is it a requirement that we adopt the "Airgun World" or "Airgunner" method of reviewing kit:confused:
As for the correct use of grammer, should he perhaps have dictated his findings to someone to write for him:confused: That seems to work in the odd magazine too.

I had no problem in either reading or understanding the review. The barrel issue was unfortunate, but it was admitted and as stated, did not affect the optical quality. As it stands, that has not changed since the initial review.
So the fact that he slated the scope when the rifle was faulty is ok in your oppinion?
The fact that he did not have the knoledge to recognise this would then mean he does not have the ability to air his views and adversly affect the sales of a brand new product.
The fact is the Light-Stream is built to the same exacting standards as the top end scopes but is more than 30% less expensive than them BECAUSE it does not have the magic names engraved on it.
If you are going to put a review on here it would make sense if your other equipment was of a KNOWN high standard previously so that some sort of judgement could be made, not go off half cocked and then come back to try to put it right.

Ben

[bengarzy]

These scopes have been specialy built to Alans exacting standards with cost coming second regardless and then someone who obviously has little understanding of either the rifle or scope puts himself forward as an expert and writes the sort of drivel we have above, STRANGELY ENOUGH BEN ON FURTHER INVESTIGATION THE GUN IS ONE OV YOURS,THE LAD WHO HAD IT REGGED GOT IT DONE BY YOURSELF,AND HAS SAID HE HAD TO SHIM HIS OWN SCOPE WHEN HE GOT IT BACK,SO HE COULD ZERO ,NOW IM NOT NO EXPERT LIKE YOUR SELF,AND MAY BE IM SHI#E AT TYPING ,BUT THE GUN THAT CAUSED THE INITIAL PROBLEM,WAS KNOCKED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE ,POINT BIENG EVEN AN EXPERT CAN OVER LOOK CERTAIN THINGS. PERRY
You obviously are NOT an expert as you would realise a REGULATOR conversion would NOT affect the zero, just consistency and shot count.
Also you have previously stated you found (eventualy) the rifle had had a"knock" which had caused the problem,hardly anything to do with me I think even you will agree.
Yes I do stock Light-Stream scopes but your test would have drawn the exact same comments from me regardless of what name was on it, it was a thoughtless and ill concieved piece you wrote so lets leave it at that.

Ben

[Gary C]

Having looked through pretty much every Bushnell and the Lightstream, I'd go Lightstream every time.

I'll no doubt get the "scope snobs" jumping up and down on me but sorry chaps, Bushnell isn't the marque it was.

[baz]

Having looked through pretty much every Bushnell and the Lightstream, I'd go Lightstream every time.

I'll no doubt get the "scope snobs" jumping up and down on me

I have had that a few times too, I havent looked through a Lightstream but I have had a Nightforce which when I likened it to Bushnell optics a couple of NF owners almost had a sheetfit:D In fact the 4200 had better optics than the £1k+ NF I was using:rolleyes:

I like Leupolds, jap made, medium priced, but one thing I need is long eye relief on some guns and the 6.5-20x40 has that along with varmint ret so I like them

Ben, I must get up to see you and look through one of these Lightstreams to see what the fuss is about:D

Baz

[nurek]

Ben, I must get up to see you and look through one of these Lightstreams to see what the fuss is about:D

Baz, if I remember correctly, I have read somewhere that you had a Weaver Tactical. The Lightstream is very similar to it, if not identical to the 4.5-14x44 Weaver Tactical. These are very nice scopes and I like both.

[baz]

Baz, if I remember correctly, I have read somewhere that you had a Weaver Tactical. The Lightstream is very similar to it, if not identical to the 4.5-14x44 Weaver Tactical. These are very nice scopes and I like both.

I did have a Weaver Tactical, nice optics as you say

Baz

[rapidpaulus]

Have to say,i had a look through a lightstream today a 5-20-50..was very crisp optics..cheers mike..:D

[andy_scouser]

Having looked through pretty much every Bushnell and the Lightstream, I'd go Lightstream every time.

I'll no doubt get the "scope snobs" jumping up and down on me but sorry chaps, Bushnell isn't the marque it was.Sorry Gary, putting the scopes side by side at Tawd Vale, I really can't agree with you. Granted I was comparing with a bushnell 4200, but not in the same league if you ask me.

[Dave Ramshead]

You obviously are NOT an expert as you would realise a REGULATOR conversion would NOT affect the zero, just consistency and shot count.
Also you have previously stated you found (eventualy) the rifle had had a"knock" which had caused the problem,hardly anything to do with me I think even you will agree.
Yes I do stock Light-Stream scopes but your test would have drawn the exact same comments from me regardless of what name was on it, it was a thoughtless and ill concieved piece you wrote so lets leave it at that.

Ben

The problem on TARGETZERO'S gun was caused by incorrect barrel to breech alignment, which may have been caused while being reassembled after the non standard metal finish had been applied.

To give you an idea of how "out of true" the barrel alignment was, the muzzle end of barrel touched the fill end of the air tube when the figure 8 bracket was removed.

The downwards tension on the barrel was so great, it caused the figure 8 bracket O ring to compress on the lower edge - leaving daylight to be visible on the upper edge.

Mechanical problems aside, it's a disgrace that someone like you should stoop so low as to have a pop at someone for grammer & punctuation - his opinions are as valid as the next unhappy customers.

[TARGETZERO]

:rolleyes: ;) :cool: :D

[bengarzy]

The problem on TARGETZERO'S gun was caused by incorrect barrel to breech alignment, which may have been caused while being reassembled after the non standard metal finish had been applied.

To give you an idea of how "out of true" the barrel alignment was, the muzzle end of barrel touched the fill end of the air tube when the figure 8 bracket was removed.

The downwards tension on the barrel was so great, it caused the figure 8 bracket O ring to compress on the lower edge - leaving daylight to be visible on the upper edge.

Mechanical problems aside, it's a disgrace that someone like you should stoop so low as to have a pop at someone for grammer & punctuation - his opinions are as valid as the next unhappy customers.

How has "Non standard metal finish" got any thing to do with any work I may or may not have done to this rifle, I dont do any metal finishing and the barrel would be bent in the condition you describe, certainly not from me.
I mentioned the way it was written because it was terrible!


Ben

[mildot]

Can we forget the bickering and consentrate on a review of the scope! After all thats what this tread is for...... :rolleyes: