Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 Warning.

[ChrisC]

Had to send my NXS back to the States beacause it kept loosing POI. Some people are aware that you have to have these scopes re-parallaxed in order to use them for FT(they're originally a full bore scope). I have been informed by NF that if you have it re-parallaxed, the warranty in invalidated ....please have a read of thier reply below.

Each glass lens is beaded into the tube body, ocular lens and objective lens using precise equipment.
Also every cell must be firmly secured in position and not rotate or be out of precise alignment with the other lenses.
The reason for this is so the image you are looking at is not distorted or bent, giving you the true and correct image of your target through the scope.
When the objective lens housing is adjusted, the objective lens dose not rotate but moves on its axis via a complex cam set up in the housing.
If the lens was not fitted in perfect alignment and moved on a crooked axis the image would appear in diferant places (a false image), with the shooter compensating by moving the cross hairs on to the apparent target resulting in a POI change.
Your scope was experiencing this each time the parallax housing was adjusted, but more to the point movement was occurring after each shot with the recoil of the rifle

So.....If you're thinking of buying one of these, according to NF, they're the only ones that can re-parallax the scope correctly. I've also heard of a few similar problems with re-parallaxed NF's loosing POI.

And before anyone says anything.......I know i should have waited and bought the new S&B:) ..but in my defence, i didn't know they existed when i got my NF.

UPDATE
Got my scope back from the states on friday and am happy to report that the parallax is set to max out at 57 yards...perfect and spot with the range finding every time. Because the weather was so bad on sat, we put out a tape measure and then placed some flag lane markers out at 5 yd intervals, ranged each flag at least 10 times and the scope came into the same position on the sidewheel every time. Also, i could see the flags that were 5yds in front and 5 yds behind my taget flag and they were both really blurred. I just have to set the clicks and pray that the scope changes POI correctly with the top turret....fingers crossed.

[Sam Vimes]

and what is the proposed damage to your wallet as you've invalidated the warranty?:eek:

[TARGETZERO]

thanks for that chris,was seriously thinking about buying one

[ChrisC]

$40 to sort it and the return postage..........personally that's not too expensive, But then again the scope is only 6 months old...so..

[Sam Vimes]

$40 to sort it and the return postage..........personally that's not too expensive, But then again the scope is only 6 months old...so..

Not too bad unless they try to sting you through customs.:eek:
Have they sorted it parallaxed to the range you require or back to the way it was when it left the factory?

[ChrisC]

Yep they've locked the parallax to 60yds so i'm hoping it should be sweet as a nut...mind you, after the good round at Ponty i might stick with the GML and the Bushnell for a while.:)

[Scooby]

Yep they've locked the parallax to 60yds so i'm hoping it should be sweet as a nut...mind you, after the good round at Ponty i might stick with the GML and the Bushnell for a while.:)

You are very lucky then Chris, I know one guy who had to send his back for a similar problem & although he told them it was used for FT they reset the Parallax to the standard settings & used gallons of Loctite to secure the lenses.:mad:

[Thunderbolt A10]

Hi,

Well, first of all. Glad this event turn out okay.

But I could also be in this corner and saying :" I told you so !". This re-parallaxing thing I have often warned people about is obviously still going on. Why on earth do people not contact the scope company first before even trying to do the things themself and hear what the company has to say first ? Why is it that people are still thinking they are smarter and better knowning than those companies who are producing these items ? I certainly don´t know it !

I am myself a proud owner of a NightForce NXS model and this model works without a flaw on my airgun. Of course this scope has it limitations at airgun ranges but I know them and can easy live with them. Never and ever will I even be thinking to start to fiddle around with the scope myself to get a better performance out of it. In this case I know better !

[BarryB]

I re-parallaxed a Nikon Buckmaster from 50 to 10yds after being told by Nikon it could not be done. Lots of people on the BBs have done this with bags of guidance if you do a search.

[ChrisC]

UPDATE....got the NXS back on Friday and put it on the Steyr....got to the club like a kid a christmas......

The scope now won't come below 50yds and won't go over approx 80 yds....what they've done to it , i dont know.

I will keep you posted.

[luddite]

Sorry to hear of your problems Chris. I have one of these and I am getting good results with it. Since I heard that you were having problems I have thoroughly tested mine at all FT ranges and have not had any poi changes with parallax or zoom.
Nick Jenkins reset mine and he appears to have done an excellent job. :)

[Thunderbolt A10]

I re-parallaxed a Nikon Buckmaster from 50 to 10yds after being told by Nikon it could not be done. Lots of people on the BBs have done this with bags of guidance if you do a search.

Hi,

This is exactly that some people on this Board said about the NightForce NXS models too, that the company couldn´t re-parallax these scopes. But according to ChrisC that is not correct.
I can only guess on the reason why people do put such a statement up and I think it is because people do not contact the company at all or they are doing it the wrong way. See, contact the bl**dy company first and find out. And can it not be done so easy, well some extra cash will probably do the trick. At least this is my experience.

Besides, I would like if things should be fixed one way or another that this should be done by professionals who really know what they are doing and also can test the product afterward to see if it lives up to the org. specifications. In other words, I see no reason at all why people should try to fix things themself they don´t know anything about.

[Sam Vimes]

Hi,

This is exactly that some people on this Board said about the NightForce NXS models too, that the company couldn´t re-parallax these scopes. But according to ChrisC that is not correct.
I can only guess on the reason why people do put such a statement up and I think it is because people do not contact the company at all or they are doing it the wrong way. See, contact the bl**dy company first and find out. And can it not be done so easy, well some extra cash will probably do the trick. At least this is my experience.

Besides, I would like if things should be fixed one way or another that this should be done by professionals who really know what they are doing and also can test the product afterward to see if it lives up to the org. specifications. In other words, I see no reason at all why people should try to fix things themself they don´t know anything about.

Good luck to you if you've got the time and money to do this every time. Personally, I've either done jobs myself or got enthusiastic amateurs to do them on my behalf that have been better jobs than many so called professionals. Not all professionals are created equal. In the case of Nightforce I suspect that this particular saga has more to do with them not understanding or caring about the demands and expectations of FT than an inability of the scope to be set up for FT. There are a few Nightforce scopes out on the circuit that have been successfully reparallaxed and are working fine. Another case of you pay your money and take your choice.;)

[Thunderbolt A10]

Good luck to you if you've got the time and money to do this every time. Personally, I've either done jobs myself or got enthusiastic amateurs to do them on my behalf that have been better jobs than many so called professionals. Not all professionals are created equal. In the case of Nightforce I suspect that this particular saga has more to do with them not understanding or caring about the demands and expectations of FT than an inability of the scope to be set up for FT. There are a few Nightforce scopes out on the circuit that have been successfully reparallaxed and are working fine. Another case of you pay your money and take your choice.;)

Hi,

Thanks. I pay my money and get things done in the proper way.

Actually, this is the same thing about getting airguns serviced. Well, how many of you do this yourself or get other amateurs to do this for you ? Is it not true that most airgunners send their airguns to either the company that makes them or to other qualified professional people for service ?
How come then that high quality and high priced scopes should not be serviced by those who make them but should be serviced by amateurs who after alterations can not test the scope to see if it lives up to the org. specifications like waterproofness/fog proofness, variations in point of impact and picture quality through the scope ?
Well, I don´t get it !

You can say this about many, many other things like new cars for example with all their electronics inside. TV and computers and so on. How many folks out there service these products themself ? And I mean all of them and not just one thing for example a TV but also their car and other more technical stuff at the same time.

[Sam Vimes]

Hi,

Thanks. I pay my money and get things done in the proper way.




My main point was that some "professionals" are just as capable of doing a poor job. I know that if I or my chosen non-pro will do some jobs with far more care and attention than many a professional. I will never have a spring gun serviced by the manufacturer. I can do a better job myself and others that I know can do an even better job than I. My simple non-regged PCPs are also easy enough to service myself. The only rifle that I will have serviced elsewhere is regulated. I haven't got the facility to test this reg so it get taken to someone that has. As said before you pay your money and take your choice.

[Adam77K]

You can say this about many, many other things like new cars for example with all their electronics inside. TV and computers and so on. How many folks out there service these products themself ? And I mean all of them and not just one thing for example a TV but also their car and other more technical stuff at the same time.

Poor examples imho. I know many people who service their own cars, and modern cars at that. With a laptop, the right cable and software it is easy to do many things to the ECU of a modern car that a main dealer would expect to do. I have such a piece of software which enables me for example to perform a throttle body alignment and reset adaptation values. It also allowed me, after the car developed a misfire just after collecting my car from its 30000 mile service, to diagnose the problem and say to the nice man from the AA that I needed coil pack 3 replacing. His laptop told him the same thing, which he promptly did.

How many times have we attempted to explain a problem in great detail to the "professionals" at a car dealer, or a computer shop, only to have them completely misunderstand, or fail to communicate your requirements to the spotty herbert who actually carries out the work.

A talented amateur will very often treat your airgun/car/computer with more care than a so-called professional. The "pro" will have targets to meet in terms of how quickly they deal with it and may rush the job. The amateur can take all the time necessary. Also, you don't know if the "pros" will give the job to the YTS trainee.

[ffireblade]

How do you go about finding out what software and cables you need for your car? Also how do find out about what all the results mean i.e. what the correct setting should be?

[Adam77K]

How do you go about finding out what software and cables you need for your car? Also how do find out about what all the results mean i.e. what the correct setting should be?

Hi mate, I've posted the reply in the non airgun section,
here (http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1504131#post1504131)

[luddite]

Hi,

Thanks. I pay my money and get things done in the proper way.

Actually, this is the same thing about getting airguns serviced. Well, how many of you do this yourself or get other amateurs to do this for you ? Is it not true that most airgunners send their airguns to either the company that makes them or to other qualified professional people for service ?
How come then that high quality and high priced scopes should not be serviced by those who make them but should be serviced by amateurs who after alterations can not test the scope to see if it lives up to the org. specifications like waterproofness/fog proofness, variations in point of impact and picture quality through the scope ?
Well, I don´t get it !

You can say this about many, many other things like new cars for example with all their electronics inside. TV and computers and so on. How many folks out there service these products themself ? And I mean all of them and not just one thing for example a TV but also their car and other more technical stuff at the same time.

Thunderbolt, if you read Chris's last post you will see that your "professionals" are quite capable of buggering things up. :rolleyes:
If a comercial concern can get out of honouring a gaurantee they will in my experience. This is what Nightforce have done in this case leaving Chris to pay the bill while still not having the scope as he wants it. :(

[ChrisC]

And now it has to go back because NF didn't re-parallax it to the setting that i asked for and now the sidewheel has some lateral play:mad: ....probably another 6 week turnaround!!!!

[baz]

I have reparrallaxed one of these with no problems although it was a 8-32 NXS

Baz

[luddite]

Mine is still behaving itself, :) all my misses are down to me. :(

[ChrisC]

**Bump with update***

[beachcaster]

Dont worry chaps
Probably in a years time you won't be legally able to service your own airguns anyway !
Under the nanny state are not allowed to fit a gas cooker..unless you are corgi registered....and now any electrical work has to be carried out by a "qualified " person and certificates obtained!!!! Im not even sure If Im allowed to change a light bulb any more !
As we speak an army of Air gun certifiers is probably being trained
Its jobs for the boys !:D

The joys of labour government !

[hareng]

"Each glass lens is beaded into the tube body, ocular lens and objective lens using precise equipment.Also every cell must be firmly secured in position and not rotate or be out of precise alignment with the other lenses."

Just like every other scope then, read between the lines.
I know the person that sent the NXS back twice, England team shooter and came back excessively locktited to make a point, in the end a few people close to him had a go but ended up with Nick Jenkinson who Nightforce authorised!

Whats the update Chris? Come back set at factory settings and locktited.

[Tenuc]

Any news yet??? :confused:

[RobF]

the stories i've heard of NF's going back for work and coming back 'fixed' really put me off of examining this route for a scope...roll on the summer for s&b...hopefully that will make NF wake up a little, but it might be too late.

[luddite]

Any news yet??? :confused:

Yup, Chris has his NXS back and it seems to be ok now.:)

[ChrisC]

Yep, sorry guys......update, thank fook, it looks as if the scope is sorted, has been set by NF to a max of 57 yards and rangefinds better than any scope i've ever owned(and i've had a Leup,Burris,Bushnell,Deben)...also looks as if the claim of zero POI shift due to temp changes is also true.

.....Huge sigh of relief.:)