Smk 19

[kevmar]

smk 19

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/dembo/B19.jpg

Iv'e owned and shot ,
well put it this way,a lot of guns ,bla bla ,,,etc
and to be honest,(after finding an adjuster screw) under the trigger return spring (thanks for that)the trigger is better,not the best,but better.
The rifle is well made,solid,full sized,and full power ,with a capital full.
and has an adjustable breech jaw,which is a nice touch.
Iv'e been shooting string after string of 6 shot one holers at 15 yards
ok not far,but the consistency is there.
I hope to extend that at farm tommorow,and try it on the feral pigeons.
It was at first a bit dry feeling on cocking,
but that's now sorted,and it's nice and silky.
Yes I know where these are made,but as I say ,it really is worth giving one a try.
If the trigger was a tiny bit better,it would beat imho a lot of break barrel springers ,but at the price it is,it probably already does.
Kev.

[Tony2006]

Hi Kev,
I'm interestred in how you are getting on with the XS19?
I'm interested in getting this Rifle.
Any body else using any of the SMK XS super grade range?
All the Best.
Tony..

[kevmar]

Hiya Tony,
the thing is a lot of people
will have preconceived ideas of what they (far eastern) guns are like
without actually having held/used one.
I'm taking to it,the build quality is very good
and as I say,they are as powerfull as anything else
on the market (within the 12 ft1b limit) this one is certainly above 11 and a half,and very accurate,
going by the grouping.
A good gun,with no hidden rubbishy bits
solid,and the trigger is it's only achilles heel,
just a bit on the heavy side,but usable.
The breech locks up with a healthy clunk. :D
If you want to know where I got it,and the deal I got
for a full kit,
pm me.
Kev.

[Tony2006]

Hi Kev,
Fast reply thanks for that.
What sort of price was it? If you don't mind giving that information!
The trouble is, will I get snubbed if I turned up a a Rifle club with the XS19?
Are Chinese imported rifles really that Bad?
I read that the SMK XS Super Grade Series Rifles are Checked at the UK Factory or whatever for quality ect before being distributed. Do you know if this is true?
Why are these Daystate ect Rifles so Big? May be a Daft question but I'm only just starting out.
Thanks Kev.
Just Looking for a good cheap rifle that will get me out there and not get laughed at by these Daystate,Logon ect owners.
You see where I'm coming from?
Thank again.
Tony..

[kevmar]

Well for a start tony,there are quite a few 'British' guns
on the market,with only a pin in the breech ,
not a bolt as the smk19 has.
I chose the 19 because it has open sights,as opposed to the carbine,or smk20.
The gun shoots well,with no after twang,and if
quote
''and not get laughed at by these Daystate,Logon ect owners''
who will be laughing,if you apply yourself
and out shoot gun kits costing maybe 10 times as much ?
And a shot down a rabbits ear hole at 12ftlbs does the job
just as well as any 'Rolls Royce' gun would do.
Iv'e no time for snobbery,but i'm sure it won't be like that
most shooters iv'e met are welcoming as it's a close knit community.
You should get sorted out for about £110 gun inc nice scope ,mounts,pellets
kev.

[Davey K]

Most SMK rifles are rubbish - FACT!:D but the xs19 and xs20 are a considerable improvement over their cousins. Provided they are used over sensible distances, and by this I mean a maximum of 25 yards, they might have a useful role to play as cheap training/short range hunting rifles. Unlike the B2 and B4 variants, the xs19 and xs20's are safe - everything screws in securely and bits don't fall off when you fire them!! But, and it is a big but, I cant really see any reason to buy them when you look at the second hand alternative that is available for your £120.

If you buy a second hand rifle from the BBS, it's likely to have been well oiled and cared for, particularly if you buy from established members with a good reputation. Your £120 will buy you a rifle and scope combo that will MASSIVELY out perform any SMK rifle - you can pick up a HW95 or BSA Lightning or any other of a number of superior makes. These are serious rifles that are equally at home hunting out to 35/40 yards and targets beyond that. I recently purchased a HW97K on here for £150 posted and placed against the SMK XS20 that I own (and cost me £120 with scope) the 97K DESTROYS the SMK.

Do yourself a favour, if you love shooting air rifles you'll leave Chinese guns behind in time - spend your money wisely now and you won't regret that £120you spent on a second rate springer because the £120 will have gone most of the way toward paying for a quality British or German rifle that will last a lifetime.;)

[kevmar]

Valid thought provoking post Davey.
You see ,I have shot or owned most of the guns
that are popular,
I'm not going to drag any make down just for the sake of it,
but,
the Lightening xl I had was poorly finished,the breech was so tight
to make up for the lack of an adjuster,after only 20 pellets
it was shiny bare metal.
The 2 hw97k's I had were not the usual hw standard,
the first went back to HCC ,and the chap there admitted it had a prob
and said I either live with it,
it might get worse,or ignore it.
I opted for (demanded) a different gun.
Yes indeed s/h are an option
and many are well looked after here,but if buying new
there is a standard 12 month warranty on all 'new' goods,
if it's going to go wrong,then i'm sure it will show signs of this within a year.
As they say
'you pays your money and take a chance' etc

Davey said quote
I recently purchased a HW97K on here for £150 posted and placed against the SMK XS20 that I own (and cost me £120 with scope) the 97K DESTROYS the SMK''.

How does it,i'm sure by looking at the penetration tests Iv'e done
my smk 19 is slightly more powerful.
And for a 12ftilb air rifle,if shooting vermin,30/35 yards are max for me,
on the grounds of a definite kill.
Kev.

[Big Andy]

Stick to detecting Kev !!!!!:D :D :D

[kevmar]

:D ;)

[Davey K]

Kev

Apologies for suggesting that you are a chinese gun fan because you have not owned any others! In fact, a lot of people love the chinese guns, particularly the yanks who work on them and tune them into sweet shooting rifles. If you like em, you stick to em - this sport is all about enjoying whatever gun or style of shooting you want to follow - all the best with your shooting mate!:D

[kevmar]

Apologies not needed mate,
I know what makes a good well made gun once I have a poke around it.
These have the standard quality number.
As for some >not all< people poo pooing Chinese guns,
or indeed goods per se,
I would suggest a quick look at the made in sticker
on scopes,mounts,trainers,jeans,mountain bikes,
there are a few surprises to be had if you do.
Kev.

[gone fishing]

I have got a smk xs19. I find it fine for hunting. Does anybody know where I can get a silencer for it and how to remove the foresight to attach it?

[kevmar]

Have a look here

http://www.gunsandtackle.com/
I think the silencer fits up to/around come off.
By the way ,what's your trigger like?
Kev.

[gone fishing]

when I pull it the gun fires:eek: no seriously it's my first gun so i wouldn't know if it is good or bad. the trigger guard is plastic but still firm. the safety is in front of the trigger and there is an anti bear trap system so it doesn't fire when you load.

[kevmar]

Pull a bird,
Pull a pint,
Pull the other one,
but never pull a trigger,
squeeze it lad,squeeze it. :)

[danart]

i got a smk 19 about 3 months ago and loved it, but that was while i used it under 20 yards, over this distance there is a few mill variation not due to pellets but the recoil which can vary along with the power causing pellet drop

[tomocarper]

my brother recently started shooting and being a cheapskate ignnored my advice of buying a weihrauch, he wnt out & bought ans smk19 with scope, bag & pellets for £130.

i have to say i was impressed with this good. ok not as solid feeling as my 80 but i had no prob;em hitting targets at 30 yards once zeroed. it has a bit of recoil but it is pretty light.

you could do far worse than this gu, espec for the money. ive seen em for 70-80 quid second hand, bargain imo

[bigglesworth]

Kev,These Chinese rifles have a great following in the states.They even come in with better stock options than our Weihrauchs or Gamos have (See piccie below, the 3 bottom rifles show the stock options of the HW95k clones,imported by BAM into the states).All they need to make a good improvement is a strip and a re-lube.I own two HW95k`s ,but I wouldn`t be embarrassed about owning an XS19 (Gamo Hunter clone).Hell, I regularly use my Edgar Bros(Hatsan) Mod.60S,which I love shooting and I`m thumping 40mm kill zones at 30 and 35 metres with it!

Enjoy your XS19

Kenny.

P.S.;Here`s a link you might find interesting;;;http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/kickbox/377/b19/b19index.htm
b19index and http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/ (go into Chinese and Gamo Forums, the XS19 is also marketed as the Crosman Quest and also as a Remington)
Airgunforum

[Klik]

This has been my first rifle and it is a very good rifle. Got the rifle with a 4x28 SMK scope and 500 pellets for £120. It is a powerful number and accurate once zero'd. Obviously this is a new rifle with only 300 pellets through it. I'll keep you updated as it gets run in.

PS I'm a bit weary at slagging off Asian products as you will probably find that most goods are or contain parts from this area of the world......like it or not.

C'est la vie.

[stickfly]

Just bought a chinese gun after using a BSA lightening.
Went for the XS78 & stripped & fitted tuning kit. Then had to detune ( 13.7lb :eek::eek: )
First time shot it took a bunny just below the eye at 30 metres which is good enough for me.
The build quality seems to be of good standard & the rifle is VERY light.
Looking to buy a HW57 soon but love this SMK :D:D

Regards.......... Stickfly

[aretec]

I have a SMK 19 and a Air Arms 400 I still keep going back to the smk as it feels like a real gun it has recoil and you need a bit of skill to shoot it. the Air Arms will do a 1 inch group all day and so will the SMK but you have to work at it, The Smk is well built accurate and great value for money 99 pounds bargain.

[mozzy]

I recently bought a delux XS19 carbine, The stock has well cut chequering, it comes with a Silencer, and it pushes out 11.4ft lbs. It is very well made

My opinion it's a lot of gun for a little money, people can slate the Chinese all they like, but there is nothing to compare from any other country in the same price bracket

I already own 2 x XS78 CO2, a B2 and a DB4, with the XS19 all together they have cost less than £350.00. BEAT THAT PRICE with any other guns

[robbo54]

I've got a smk 19-18 with fiber optic sights great gun its got a great feel when holding the gun the trigger a little tight but you get used to that i dose any body know how i can losen it:):cool: robbo

[fat man]

evening gents, nice review. I dont own this gun, but my good friend Grif1968 does. I have shoot it, ok its not a Hw, but it dose its job well and for the money he paid for it i would say he got a real bargin. His was a slight second but i and he and all who have shoot it can find no real fault with it, granted trigger could do with some improvement but all in all a bargin..:)

[uk litehammer]

I think you'll find that ChalieDaTuna's GRT trigger fits this gun, and improves it no end!!

:)http://charliedatuna.com/

[hwtyger]

I wonder what theXS20 custom is like..they reviewed it while back in one of the mags with very nice results..

[uk litehammer]

It's a copy of a Weihrauch HW95.

[sellwoodp]

hi owned one of these about a year or so ago and loved it until i shot a precharged rifle found the xs heavy but checked on the chrono after thousands and thounsands of pellets and was still putting out 11.1 to 11.6 ft lb

accuracy is a bit hard really is does bounce abit on firing but for the money it bagged plenty of quarry for the table so go for it

[Aardys]

I wonder what theXS20 custom is like..they reviewed it while back in one of the mags with very nice results..

click below and you will see;)
http://aardys.site88.net/_sgg/m1m1_1.htm

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[JONJAMJAR]

Hi, ive been shooting my uncles 19 for a few months now and havent really got on with it very well, struggling with accuracy. I thought this was just me until i used my friends old BSA Meteor on the weekend which was a dream to shoot in comparison.

In the SMK's defence however, it has been completely reliable and seems to be built pretty well for the cash, and still puts a smile on my face even if i cant hit a barn door with it! :)

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

Superb guns made with quality parts, well engineered, well finished, corking triggers, exceptionally accurate. What more could anyone ask for?

[mancmarksman]

hiya..just looking for a bit of help as the SMK 19 is my first gun.
wat is the difference between the smk 19 and the smk xs19??? and also with the .177 wat sort of fps does it do?? and what sort of groupings should i be getting at 25 yards? great gun at a great price i dont care where its made.

Thanks sam

[uk litehammer]

Hi, there is no difference, the XS19 is on english ones, in the states it is the B19. I don't know about the fps, but you should get about 10.5-11ft/lbs power. They are very accurate in the right hands, and if you change the trigger for a GRTIII trigger from CharlieDaTuna (easy to do) it will feel like a totally better gun. I also suggest you look at the uk chinese owners site. I'll find you a couple of links in a moment.:)

http://ukchineseairgunforum.myfreeforum.org/

http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm#grtiiiguns

[Nickpan]

Is anybody else loving the quality of grammer in lots of these posts? :)

[Mog]

Is anybody else loving the quality of grammer in lots of these posts? :)

gr8 innit nick? :)

[mancmarksman]

Cheers litehammer. just been lukin at the gtrIII looks quality might be gettin one soon. does it really improve the guns performance as much as people say?

[uk litehammer]

Cheers litehammer. just been lukin at the gtrIII looks quality might be gettin one soon. does it really improve the guns performance as much as people say?

Yes, it certainly does.:D

[clanger]

The XS19 looks like it is a copy of the Gamo.I had an SR2 for a few years when they first came out and mine was pretty good once i got used to it's quirks. The quality was not the best but a vast improvement to the B2. Putting my HW80 next to the SR2 you could see that the quality was not in the same league but at £139.95 you can't expect it, The SR took a battering in the rain and mud of winter and it was totally unloved. I would never bother with another but give them their due if you are lucky to get a goodun then they can be a good buy for the money.

Kev :D

[steveiep]

Is anybody else loving the quality of grammer in lots of these posts? :)

In just the same way we love your spelling.
That's GRAMMAR. LOL
:D

[mancmarksman]

In just the same way we love your spelling.
That's GRAMMAR. LOL
:D

haha any advice on silencers anybody?

[Ali-C]

Most SMK rifles are rubbish - FACT!:D

Do yourself a favour, if you love shooting air rifles you'll leave Chinese guns behind in time - spend your money wisely now and you won't regret that £120you spent on a second rate springer because the £120 will have gone most of the way toward paying for a quality British or German rifle that will last a lifetime.;)

I do agree with you here, I have owned a 19-18 Deluxe:cool:, the QB78 and the 79, I didn't get on with them at all. I got them cheap though, £150 for all of them. I didn't like the 19's trigger, bluing, stock, sights, all of it really. The recoil was so bad I broke my scope:eek: (Hawke Sport HD MAP, I got another, they are really good).

I hated the 78 and 79, it took all of my effort to cock it quietly, stupid spring loaded bolt. Pull it up without holding onto it properly and it comes crashing back, load a pellet, then have a fight with it to get it to go forward again!

Safe to say, I am glad I got rid of it.

Edit: Don't have a go for my grammar today, I am not feeling to well, I can't help it.

[smsguitarist]

I do agree with you here, I have owned a 19-18 Deluxe:cool:, the QB78 and the 79, I didn't get on with them at all. I got them cheap though, £150 for all of them. I didn't like the 19's trigger, bluing, stock, sights, all of it really. The recoil was so bad I broke my scope:eek: (Hawke Sport HD MAP, I got another, they are really good).

I hated the 78 and 79, it took all of my effort to cock it quietly, stupid spring loaded bolt. Pull it up without holding onto it properly and it comes crashing back, load a pellet, then have a fight with it to get it to go forward again!

Safe to say, I am glad I got rid of it.

Edit: Don't have a go for my grammar today, I am not feeling to well, I can't help it.


They are this horrible until you do something with them. Mine now cocks very near silent with no effort at all, even with a shimmed hammer spring.

The 19 is a great gun but bears all the same problems with all SMK guns. Poor trigger, poor lubrication, average bluing. Saying this the XS ranges do tend to have very nice stocks. They are very very lively and like all chinese guns need some work to smooth them out.

Lewis

[clanger]

They are this horrible until you do something with them. Mine now cocks very near silent with no effort at all, even with a shimmed hammer spring.

The 19 is a great gun but bears all the same problems with all SMK guns. Poor trigger, poor lubrication, average bluing. Saying this the XS ranges do tend to have very nice stocks. They are very very lively and like all chinese guns need some work to smooth them out.

Lewis

But then again you would say that owning two SMK. LOL :D:D
Is it worth messing about with them, you might aswell buy the genuine item than messing around with a cheap copy?

[uk litehammer]

Here's my B26-2, it was bought in Texas, USA, and delivered to my door for £116. I have lube tuned it, and fitted a Maccari tuning kit. I then shortened and recrowned the barrel, added a bit of bling, and it now shoots vey accurately at 11.28ft/lbs.:)

PS. It was putting out 16+ft/lbs when I got it.:D:D:D


http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo80/willis61/BAMB26-2.jpg

[clanger]

Here's my B26-2, it was bought in Texas, USA, and delivered to my door for £116. I have lube tuned it, and fitted a Maccari tuning kit. I then shortened and recrowned the barrel, added a bit of bling, and it now shoots vey accurately at 11.28ft/lbs.:)

PS. It was putting out 16+ft/lbs when I got it.:D:D:D


http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo80/willis61/BAMB26-2.jpg

Well i guessed you answered my question and it looks pretty good!!!!
What was the completed cost though? But then again we all throw money at our favourite gun whether it is worth it or not!!!!!!
I know i do :)

Kev :p

[uk litehammer]

Well i guessed you answered my question and it looks pretty good!!!!
What was the completed cost though? But then again we all throw money at our favourite gun whether it is worth it or not!!!!!!
I know i do :)

Kev :p

It cost me about £35 for a complete tuning kit and piston seal from Maccari, the rest was down to a lot of elbow grease really (and some moly paste:D). Apart from that, the bling was just to keep me happy. It shoots just as well without it.:)

[Nickpan]

In just the same way we love your spelling.
That's GRAMMAR. LOL
:D

Buggar! :)

[ratgunner]

Hi Kev,
Fast reply thanks for that.
What sort of price was it? If you don't mind giving that information!
The trouble is, will I get snubbed if I turned up a a Rifle club with the XS19?
Are Chinese imported rifles really that Bad?
I read that the SMK XS Super Grade Series Rifles are Checked at the UK Factory or whatever for quality ect before being distributed. Do you know if this is true?
Why are these Daystate ect Rifles so Big? May be a Daft question but I'm only just starting out.
Thanks Kev.
Just Looking for a good cheap rifle that will get me out there and not get laughed at by these Daystate,Logon ect owners.
You see where I'm coming from?
Thank again.
Tony..

I bought a Chinese Rifle after losing it with 3 faulty pistols in a row and paid £70 for it, (around £100 now)
it is a QB78 Deluxe .22 (No Less) it takes 2x12gram Co2 cartridges the butt is Chinese Beech, sights are truglo, bolt action (snazzy gold bolt) instructions in Serbo Croat,
It has a good single stage trigger, and initially chucked pellets everywhere??

using much gun oil a rod and plastic brush removed shedloads of black muck from barrel,
shoots brilliantly, it likes JSB Exacts, I have done comps with it, scoring 38 out of 60 all standing shots (Dodgy Legs) as for snobs? shoot well and why worry,

ATB, Bernard.

[pistolpete1]

Yesterday I had a ride to Manchester Airguns, I phoned earlier to ask if they had any junior rifles, after having an SMK 20 I was a bit dubious when the guy raved about the SMK 15. All I can say is I'm a convert to the NEW range that is being imported, no more Rough Sharp edges, Bad wood,or sub standard Bolts pins etc,They seem to have taken notice of the importers and now produce good standard Rifles. The Price for the SMK 15 £45 :eek: Bargain
does it shoot well in a word Yes, It can hit the 25mm on my Knockover 9/10.Straight from the box, Needs another session to get rid of the excess oil. but so far its a winner.

[g60bv]

i had the smk 20 when it first came out.- had the despute over the silencer. In the picture it had a silencer/barrel weight but when delivered it didn't. well the first one was sent back after 2 weeks as it wouldn't group.. 20 pellets in a sheet of a4 paper at 20 yards. all over it. so it was returned and i was told the scope groves hadn't been cut correctly.!!

so a new one was sent out and after 2 weeks the same issue. i put up with this for a bit, striped it down and polished it all up and shimmed the barrel. it was better but in the end i throw it in the bin. literally. for the money your better getting a 95k. which is what its based on. chineses copy pooh

[focusteve]

well the first one was sent back after 2 weeks as it wouldn't group.. 20 pellets in a sheet of a4 paper at 20 yards. all over it. so it was returned and i was told the scope groves hadn't been cut correctly.

I think they were just being kind :)
Mine groups well at 20 yards and only starts to lose it at 40+.:p

[warbiscuit]

for the money your better getting a 95k.

if people had the money that is what they would buy in the first place...:D:D
Seriously, they are a much improved range, and i was well happy with the recent run in with an smk19, nice smooth rifle, and for £100, cant complain.

DT

[clanger]

i had the smk 20 when it first came out.- had the despute over the silencer. In the picture it had a silencer/barrel weight but when delivered it didn't. well the first one was sent back after 2 weeks as it wouldn't group.. 20 pellets in a sheet of a4 paper at 20 yards. all over it. so it was returned and i was told the scope groves hadn't been cut correctly.!!

so a new one was sent out and after 2 weeks the same issue. i put up with this for a bit, striped it down and polished it all up and shimmed the barrel. it was better but in the end i throw it in the bin. literally. for the money your better getting a 95k. which is what its based on. chineses copy pooh

You are not the first person i have heard having had trouble. It seems to me that you either get a good one or a badun and there is no quality control even on these shores as claimed in the advert. The XS20 is quite good when a good one is found and for the money can't go wrong again if a goodun,Still not as good as the HW80 though ;)

Kev :D

[uk litehammer]

The XS20 is quite good when a good one is found and for the money can't go wrong again if a goodun,Still not as good as the HW80 though ;)Kev :D

That's because it's like a 95.:D:D:D

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

Seriously, and without bias, I wouldn't have one given. I once had one given, so I know what I'm talking about. I spent many a hour trying to get it something like. Waste of time. I gave it back. I don't give anything away that is of the remotest bit of use or value. What does that tell you?

[Aardys]

so I know what I'm talking about.

and then again others have had no problems at all

[uk litehammer]

Seriously, and without bias, I wouldn't have one given. I once had one given, so I know what I'm talking about. I spent many a hour trying to get it something like. Waste of time. I gave it back. I don't give anything away that is of the remotest bit of use or value. What does that tell you?

It tells me you don't know how to tune a Chinese rifle.:D:D:D

[kevmar]

These guns aren't an 80 ,or 95,or whatever,
they are what they are,low priced full sized,full power,guns,
that if fettled correctly can send their pellet where you are aiming,
also the more they are used,the better they become,
they don't have delusions of grandure,you get 'what it says on the tin'
if in doubt,buy a hw ,but in all fairness ,new hw's can't scream top quality
these days,
and the customer service from the importer
absoulutely stinks,
when i had a problem with an smk,bgt couldn't have done enough for me,same with dai too.

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

It tells me you don't know how to tune a Chinese rifle.:D:D:D

You think?

I took it totally apart. All internals polished and relubed. Spring guides and top hat made and fitted. Trigger totally stripped, ground and repolished. Stock drilled and lead weights fitted to improve balance. Shooting within 5 ft/sec. Sod all recoil. Trigger sweet as anything. Still wouldn't hit a barn door at ten yards! Seriously, it was doing 6" groups at 20 yds. I rest my case.

[Aardys]

i never had the xs19 , but i do have the 20 , i bought it cos a friend of mine had one for a few years , been shooting at my club with it, and done very well , i allways thought it would fall apart or something :rolleyes:
but he did as well as me with my hw95:eek: so i decided to give one a go ,
well mine works perfect to , ,so is it just down to luck ? , and i have done nothing to it at all , drop of oil on the pivots and sent about 10 tins of pellets through it ,
and i sold the hw95.

[uk litehammer]

You think?

I took it totally apart. All internals polished and relubed. Spring guides and top hat made and fitted. Trigger totally stripped, ground and repolished. Stock drilled and lead weights fitted to improve balance. Shooting within 5 ft/sec. Sod all recoil. Trigger sweet as anything. Still wouldn't hit a barn door at ten yards! Seriously, it was doing 6" groups at 20 yds. I rest my case.

It probably had a bent barrel, 'cos the rest of it was doing ok. Doesn't matter how much your gun costs if it's got a bent barrel on it.:o

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

It probably had a bent barrel, 'cos the rest of it was doing ok. Doesn't matter how much your gun costs if it's got a bent barrel on it.:o

That was the conclusion I came to. I even renewed the locking catch and shimmed the pivot in case they were loose. And yes, I did try more than 1 scope. :)

[focusteve]

My '19 is very choosy with pellets. Which ones did you use?
Iv'e tried quite a few and at 25 yards, AA field, accupel, Superdome and even Bisley Practice group better than 2" and i'm a fairly new shooter!

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

My '19 is very choosy with pellets. Which ones did you use?
Iv'e tried quite a few and at 25 yards, AA field, accupel, Superdome and even Bisley Practice group better than 2" and i'm a fairly new shooter!

Ah, that might be it then. It could be me. :rolleyes: I too only have limited experience of a couple of decades, and I'm probably too fussy myself, never mind the pellets. I tend to blame the equipment if I can't get 1" groups at 50 yds. The idea of trying different pellets is a new one on me. I really must try it sometime.:rolleyes:

[kevmar]

Good post steve,yes indeed pellet selection does play a part in
the smk 19's performance, some will do better with one,and another will do rubbish with the same (iv'e had 3 smk 19's )it's these tips that can defeat even
the old hands amongst us :cool:
a bad work man always blames his tools,
squeeze it,don't pull it ken, :p
go figure.
I didn't think this thread would do as well as it has done.
:)

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

You may be right, but it's my tool, and I'll pull it as much as I like, and squeeze it as often as I like. :);)

I think all these little known tips are great. It makes coming on here so worthwhile. :rolleyes:

[focusteve]

You may be right, but it's my tool, and I'll pull it as much as I like, and squeeze it as often as I like. :);)

I think all these little known tips are great. It makes coming on here so worthwhile. :rolleyes:

Christ almighty! What a misrable old cock!:mad: I hope your not married fella, i wouldn't want any woman to have to listen to that kind of sarcasm all day!
And here was i, just trying to help! Unbelievable!

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

Very sorry, but my sarcasm comes from years of experience. There are those who listen and learn from experience, and then there are others who know better.

[focusteve]

Your absolutley right mate! What was i thinking? Excuse my inexperienced impudence oh great one! Forgive me for trying to help, i should've known better. I'll come back in twenty years or so, if you'll let me. :rolleyes:

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

Your absolutley right mate! What was i thinking? Excuse my inexperienced impudence oh great one! Forgive me for trying to help, i should've known better. I'll come back in twenty years or so, if you'll let me. :rolleyes:

Why bother deleting your last little spat. You're probably right in what you said. It's just that Chinese guns really do my chump in. They bring the worst out in me. I just find it confusing and disheartening when someone comparatively new to the game extols the virtues of what are possibly the worst guns in the world, due to the fact they have never experienced anything better, and then refuse to listen to people who have had greater experience of trying to polish one of these turds. Anyway, advice is for those who take it.

[focusteve]

I'm well aware of, and have shot plenty of, superior guns out there because of my membership of my local range. And i completely agree that the quality of my gun does not stack up against them. It does seem a shame that Chinese guns get you all riled up though because at my current level in this game they are good enough for me and i can honestly say that some of the AA, Theoben, Daystate owners seem fairly impressed when i hit the same long range targets that they do. Maybe they're just being kind, eh?
By the way, i'm all for taking advice given in the right manor.

No hard feelings, eh? After all, the last thing the BBS needs is another argument!:p

[uk litehammer]

No hard feelings, eh? After all, the last thing the BBS needs is another argument!:p

God forbid THAT ever happening.:D:D:D

[biggymills]

God forbid THAT ever happening.:D:D:D

ah dont you just love the bbs
well my xs19 shoots pucker straight from the box over 50 yards and sometimes better than more expensive air rifles, aint broken yet or been sent back to shop unlike my mates £800 daystate.
so im happy with my chinky rifle and i dont feel the need to slate any other makes.
if you got a springer that cost 3 times what mine did come say hello at broomhills in beds and we can have some friendly comp.:)

[focusteve]

Big up the Biggy! Hows it goin' fella?

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

No hard feelings, eh? After all, the last thing the BBS needs is another argument!:p

Like Litehammer said, arguements and shall we say "differing opinions" are all part of the fun on here as you will find out if you stay tuned in. Just as long as it doesn't get abusive. :)

I'll have a little bet with you. If you keep up the shooting hobby, I'll bet your not still shooting a Chinese gun 12 months down the line. Some may argue they are a good starter gun. I think they may put many people off for life, especially if they drop on a particularly bad one. Just my opinion like.

[focusteve]

The people who would be put off for life would be the same people who can't rise to a challenge.;)
As for still shooting my chinese in a year, i think if this economic downturn gathers much more momentum, we'll both be shooting them in a years time!:eek:

[gunman1]

I have an xs20 super grade and found very accurate upto 35yds and firing at11.7 lbs/ft theres nothing wrong with the chinese cheapies

[mikewareing]

I have an XS20 and I can't honestly tell much difference between this and my HW98, it is probably a little more harsh in terms of recoil but the trigger is every bit as good.
I doubt though it will last as long as the HW however

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

I have an xs20 super grade and found very accurate upto 35yds and firing at11.7 lbs/ft theres nothing wrong with the chinese cheapies

That far????!!!!!!!! :eek::rolleyes:

[cracker666]

We have a Tuned QB78DL, a Tuned XS78, Both kicking out about 11ft/lb.
We also have a Logun S16.
They are all good fun and all have their Qwerks.
S16 if you like chucking loads of pellets down range, Because this will and extremely accuratly.:cool:
The 78's are precise single shot rifles, With shed loads of fun to boot.:)

Next want will be the BAM 40 (TX200 clone).:p

Not many gun makers arnt using the chinese factorys these days.
Its the refinishing you pay more for, and in the case of the XX78's it costs about 3 pounds for the seals and loads of elbow grease, then its full power heaven.
:D

[kevmar]

I noticed the new x19 price in a local gunshop has gone up by £30 could this be because of the lack of mail order facillity....

[ryan martin]

urgh DO NOT BUY THIS RIFLE, you will regret it!!!! as i infact regret it!

[kevmar]

Of course they get better 'smoother' the more they wear in,
I wonder how good they could get with a proper tune up?
:cool:

[focusteve]

Good enough for me to win a competition with! ;)

[Nick Steele]

So some of them're lemons and some of them're grand.

I've got a SMK 17. After stripping it down and re-lubing with the appropriate lubricants, not 10W40, it's fairly well behaved. I'm currently rebuilding the trigger for a more crisp letoff.

[Phantom Sniper]

urgh DO NOT BUY THIS RIFLE, you will regret it!!!! as i infact regret it!

Why:confused:
Mine is superb, nice weight, nice recoil, very accurate, bunnies out to 35 yards, one shot kill each time:cool:

It may be chinese but who cares.

I wouldn't trade mine for the world gives me free meat for the table as and when required:cool:



Tony

[FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

Ho Hum.

[kevmar]

Good point Tony,
most things originate in the far east these days.