Smith & Wesson 6" C02 .177" Revolver.

[cinstone]

Morning all!:)

Had one of the above bought for me as an Xmas pressie after many hints dropped by my self. I've put around 500 pellets through it so far, so I though I would give you folk my opinion of it.

The build quality is very good. Accuracy is very good, as long as I'm having a good day that is!:D

I find that using it on single action is the best as I find using double action it is very easy to pull the shot to the right.

I find this nice bit of kit very practical at home as I only have around seven or eight yards to play with & although I do use my rifles, it can be a little too easy with them over this short distance.

With the "Smith", I can manage 1" groups of 10 at seven or eight yards using the open sites supplied as standard with the gun. The rear one being adjustable for windage & elevation. Both front & rear sites are made out of plastic, but seem very durable.

The gun came in its own self contained case & included;-

Pistol with 6" barrel.
Cleaning rod.
3 front sites of varying thicknesses.
1 rear site.
1 magazine (holds 10 pellets).
Plastic socket to enable removale of barrel.

I have tried it over 14-15 yards & have at best managed to get 37 out of 40 shots within a circle of just about 2.75". Please bare in mind the accuracy of the shooter though!:D

I've also tried it down the club range at 17 meters. Not too much in the way of serious shooting here by myself, but my fist shot was only about half an inch off the centre of a 2.75" circle. I should have given up then!:D Several members had a go with it & Clive Senior, who has had experiance with the real thing, said it felt just like one.

I find I get 40-45 good shots out of one C02 capsule. After around the 45th you notice a dramatic drop off in power. The most shots out of it was about 60, but the last 10 or so were pointless. Outside in temperatures of about 4-5 degrees celcius I got about 43 shots before the drop off in power was noticed, where as indoors at about 18-20 degrees celcius I can get up to 47. I generally go to 40 as a maximum, then move a bit closer to the target for the last 10 shots.

I don't have a chrono' of my own so I can't report on the power output, but the general opinion is thet they put out 2-3ft/lb. It seems to me that it may be putting out a little more than this. When I know I will update this post.

Maintenace is very easy.
About every 250 pellets I remove the barrel & give it a bit of a clean with the cleaning rod. I then drop a couple of drops of 3 in 1 oil down the barrel & let it drain through. The only other things to do is to oil the C02 lock lever pivot, yoke & yoke release catch. Finally, give it a good rub with a small amount of 3 in 1 on a bit of cloth.

I'm affraid I can't tell you how much it was at it was a pressie, but I think it was about £109 from DAI in Brierley Hill.

For quality & practicallity I'll give it :D:D:D.

P.S.

I bought a silencer for it the other day to keep the noise down at home. The gun is quite loud & I like this, but to keep the peace I purchased the silencer. It works quite well.

[clubshot]

One of the Favorite CO2 Pistols used on the Practical Pistol circuit
Accurate and consistant

The 6in seems to be the best in Accuracy
Youngsters and ladies often use the 4in due to weight

With CO2 and times of year
We normally change CO2 after Four Magazines

We shoot them out to 25 Metres No problem
Normally trying to do distance shoots early in CO2 Bottle

Another issue is to stop the seals drying out
Is to add a few drops of Silcon Oil on the top of first CO2
of the day

Same effect as using crosman lubricated bulbs

We also developed the Dynamic Triple P pellet for
Competition use ;)
@ 6.9 Grains and Dimple Head

Still got a few trial pot's left
email name & address for Free Trial pot
clubshot@practicalshooting.org.uk

Also advised around the same weight and size as real revolvers
Aware of many that practise with CO2 and use the real ones
overseas ;)

BOB/R

www.practicalpistoluk.com

[cinstone]

Clubshot:-

Good tip about using silicone oil on first capsule.

Are there any practical pistol events/clubs in the Midlands that you know of?

I am uing Air Arms Field pellets with it at present as this is what I use for my other rifles & I have quite a few tins of them. I have some flat headed German pellets, can't remember the name, but they are cheap at around £2.50 for 500. I'm keeping these for back up use.

C.:)

[wanna b]

Hi i am a member of the Birmingham shooters club in Hockley although we don't hold competition's we do have three excellent ranges. But if you want competition pistol shooting then Wednesbury marksmen may be better suited for you? I have shot with the Gamo R77 and the Smithy and the the look feel and accuracy of the Smithy far outweigh that of the Gamo.

22 Exorcet
22 Brocock texan
10/22 Ruger
357 Winchester.

[cinstone]

Wanna b:-

I've seen that place in Brum advertised. What do they charge & can you just trurn up to shoot?

I live in Stourbridge & that place would be easy to get to by train for me.

C.:)

[red bob]

this may be a co2rep pistol but it has a big personality and never fails to impress at the local gun club.widely thought of as the most accurate of the genre.i had the long barrel version as i felt with my big maulers i could manage
the extra length plus im led to believe you get a few extra fps .

[clubshot]

this may be a co2rep pistol but it has a big personality and never fails to impress at the local gun club.widely thought of as the most accurate of the genre.i had the long barrel version as i felt with my big maulers i could manage
the extra length plus im led to believe you get a few extra fps .



We did Extensive tests and the 6in Gave best in Round count and Accuracy ;)

Not forgetting differences in temperature will effect output with CO2

BOB/R

[greebo_Brat]

http://vimes.homelinux.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1752&g2_serialNumber=1&

Range was 5 metres (length of the bedroom .. :o ), and I'm (charitably) a novice shooter.

more pictures

http://vimes.homelinux.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1741&

One including an airsoft P226 for comparison.

I have found that the grip doesn't sit flush, so there is an edge where the two halfs dont meet, also the right hand removeable grip can move a bit if you squeeze to hard.

[Arnold Layne]

Try this when you shoot double action, pull it through slowly and concentrate on what pressure your feeling on the trigger, what you should notice is that as the cylinder (Mag) is moved arround and locks in position the pressure changes think of that as a first stage!, but the hammer is back, at this point you can hold the hammer and treat this as the second stage.

I used this method when shooting full bore revolvers, with practice you can double action as accuratly as single action, I tried this on the same revolver as yours and although the feel is lighter as there is less mass to move, it works the same way. much to the amusment of the others watching who could not workout how to do it:D , this bit won't work with CO2, but with heavy full bore ammo I used the period the gun was recoiling upwards to rotate the cylinder so that as the gun came back on aim the hammers back and the shots ready to take, accurate fast double tapping is easy this way. I have to say though I have no idea how many 1,000's of rounds went in to practicing this, but in the end you don't even think about it it just works.

give it a try,

Mark

[cinstone]

Arnold;-

Your first idea is interesting. I've just tried it with the gun empty. I think it will take a while to do this consistantly without "cocking" it up!:D

Sorry for the bad pun!:)

[Arnold Layne]

time to get practicing then. seriously I think it's more difficult with the CO2 revolvers because there is so little mass (weight) in the plastic mag, with a full bore the it effectivly spins and stops - well sort of - have fun all the same

Mark

[cinstone]

Tried to do it with the gun loaded, but it is a lot more difficult then when it is empty.

Tryng to find what you call the "first stage" without going straight onto the "second stage" is very difficult.

By the way, the mag' is metal.

C.:)

[cinstone]

After several emails to/from FallOutBoy to do with his quest for a pistol, he requested info' on the effect of pellets shot from the S & W on a tin can.

Not having done this myself, this evening I set up a simple experiment & I thought I would let you know the results.

Range to target approx' 20ft.

Twenty shots taken at can from a full C02 capsule.

Air Arms Field 4.52 pellets used.

Tin can from tin of peas, not fixed or weighted down for the first 10 shots.


First shot went straight through first side of the can, but did not even mark the opposite side.

Rest of the first 10 shots went through the first side of the can, except one, which split the metal, but did not fully penetrate the can.

For the second lot of 10 shots I weighted down the can a bit. The first 2 shots bounced off the can, then the next went into the can, but again did not penetrate the second side. The next shot went through the first side & knocked the can over. All the rest of the shots entered the first side of the can, but did not penetrate the second side.

The metal of the can was a lot thicker than that of a coke can or similar.

I would say that an old pea can like this is at least 5 times stronger than a coke can, so at this range, probably for the maximum useful shots of the C02 capsule, (which is about 40), it would make "mince meat" of a coke can.

[cinstone]

Hello all.:)

My girlfriend bought me a Combro cb625 MK IV yesterday & I have tested the above pistol for average lb.ft.

The test involved shooting 42 pellets with the chrono' attached, with a small piece of paper inserted between the muzzle of the pistol & the first sensor of the chrono'. I picked up this tip off this forum, as it appears that the blast of C02 from the pistol can upset the readings on the chrono'. I shot 42 pellets because I naffed up two shots.

For the test I used Air Arms Field 4.52 pellets, which on average weigh 8.44 grains.

The test was taken indoors at room temperature, in two parts as tea beckoned about halfway through. All shots were taken using single action & there was about 20 seconds between shots.

To start with the C02 capsule was quite cold.

FPS, First Ten shots

452, 405, 472, 388, 387, 378, 375, 375, 370, 374.

FPS, Second Ten Shots

427, 386, 388, 390, 384, 385, 376, 369, 375, 373.

It seems to me that the short amount of time taken to reload the pistol allowed the C02 capsule to warm up a little & thus gave a higher reading for the first shot of the next nine.

As tea beckoned, there was a break of about 45 min's. This meant that there was quite a bit of time for the C02 capsule to warm up, but the reading of 570f.p.s. was a little surprising to say the least.

FPS, Third Ten Shots

570, 453, 376, 370, 365, 364, 372, 372, 392, 380.

FPS, Forth Ten Shots

454, 368, 366, 366, 356, 354, 350, 340, 340, 328, 313.

The instruction book for the S & W states 393f.p.s. The average from the above readings is 385.3f.p.s. This equates to 2.76lb.ft.

I shall be doing more tests in the near future to see if the reading of 570f.p.s. was a fluke, starting with a warmer C02 capsule that I have warmed in my hand/pocket.

[cinstone]

Hello all!

The girlfriend had a go with the "Smith" a few days ago & liked it very much. She says that she is going to have one from B.A.R. when we go up tomorrow.

We will see if thing progress from here to a rifle or two perhaps.

[derekm]

I've just been trying Arnold Layne's method of "double tapping" as explained a few posts above. Initially it is quite difficult, but if you keep your eye on the cylinder while concentrating on the feel of the trigger, you notice that as the cylinder indexes and stops, the hammer is cocked and you can hold the trigger in that position. Continuing the pull is then actually smoother than if you cocked the hammer by hand, as for single action and no heavier (possibly a touch lighter even).
It may need a bit of perseverence for a couple of minutes, but then it will "click into place". Can't wait to get to the club tomorrow night to try it out for real!

[cinstone]

Hello all!

I've just had a play with the S & W this afternoon.

For an experiment I changed the front sight for the thinest one available in the box & used flat head pellets.

What I have found is that I seem to be able to put more pellet on pellet shots together than previously.

I was shooting from the prone position, using single action, with silencer attached, holding the pistol with two hands with both hands clear of the floor, over a distance of approximately seven yards.

I will try my usual Air Arms Field 4.51s in it next time with the thinner front sight & see what the accuracy is like then.

[Jim McArthur]

This Smith is the ONLY C02 gun that I'm tempted to purchase. ;)

Jim

[cinstone]

It's a very nice tool. It's far more comfortable to hold than my Taurus .22" l.b revolver.

Chris.

[Jim McArthur]

I shoot my Beeman P3 (HW 40) in the backyard - no neighbors seem to notice. How does this Smith compare, noise-wise?

Jim

[cinstone]

I can't tell you how it compares to the HW40, having never heard one of them, however, like most C02 guns, it is quite loud.

[colbo]

I bought the limited edition version a few days ago - It is really well made however I spent 30 minutes trying to clear a couple of jammed pellets. Had to remove the barrel and try to push the pellet back into the cylinder so I could open it.

I had been using Hobby pellets previously without any problems. When I switched to Accupels is when the jamming started.

[Jim McArthur]

Hello all!

I've just had a play with the S & W this afternoon.

I was shooting from the prone position, using single action, with silencer attached,



SILENCER: now that could be just the ticket for my back yard! Where to purchase / how much? :confused:

Silencers are legal for air guns in the US: since here, air guns (like black powder guns) are not classified as firearms. :)

Silencers for firearms, though, are regulated under the same federal statute that regulates machine guns! :eek:

Jim

[BigEars]

I shoot my Beeman P3 (HW 40) in the backyard - no neighbors seem to notice. How does this Smith compare, noise-wise?

Jim

Smith is a good bit louder.

[MR NICK .B]

hi mate

where did you get a silencer from to fit your pistol ,for i also own a the same gun and a silencer would be handy for plinking in the garden:)

[cinstone]

I didn't mention the silencer because I thought they were not allowed in the U.S.

I got mine from a local shop near me at the begining of this year. It's not fantastic, but does go a long way to help keep the noise down. It cost me about £22 (approx' $44 at the moment). All you do is unscrew the nut that holds the barrel shroud on/over the barrel & screw in the silencer.

Chris.

[Jim McArthur]

I didn't mention the silencer because I thought they were not allowed in the U.S.

I got mine from a local shop near me at the begining of this year. It's not fantastic, but does go a long way to help keep the noise down. It cost me about £22 (approx' $44 at the moment). All you do is unscrew the nut that holds the barrel shroud on/over the barrel & screw in the silencer.

Chris.

Well....some would say that they aren't legal in the US. I suppose, on second thought, if it fit a cartridge firearm, they might have a case against you. Personally, I would make sure sure before I purchased.

I'm going to look into this! ;)

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

One thing I DO know about silencers is that it's almost impossible to silence a cartridge revolver (as opposed to a cartridge autoloading pistol), because the noise escapes through the cylinder chambers, as well as through the barrel.

I wonder how this works with a a CO2 revolver? :confused:

Jim

[cinstone]

Morning.

Yes it's similar for the C02 S & W. Some of the noise comes from the mag'/chamber area. I say mag'/chamber because it's not really a chamber in the normal sense. Only the front part of the chamber, (read magazine), revolves.

As for the silencer fitting another pistol, maybe a cartridge revolver, I doubt it would, but just one shot, from say a Taurus .22" revolver, would more than likely see the death of the silencer anyway.

Chris.

[Adam77K]

The "silencer" for the S&W C02 is just a plastic tube and end cap with a hole in it; basically just an expansion chamber with no baffles or sound deadening material. There's no way it's worth over 20 quid. The only reason I have one is it was included with the gun I bought off here.

It does take the crack out of the report but it's still a long way from quiet. It could be made more efficient though. I intend to get some baffles made for it and possibly try some "hair curlers" a la HW silencer. :D

[Jim McArthur]

Sounds like it operates more like a "non functioning barrel extension" than a true silencer, in the way it operates to dampen sound.

I'd be willing to take my US-chances on owning something like that. ;)

Jim

[zack]

I had an 8" barrel on one & the f.p.s. went up & accuracy improved. I put a drop of crosman pelloil on the tip of every 4th cartridge to lube the seals. I also found that with some but not all crosman CO2 powerlets that the grip would not seat properly on the frame. They must be a hair fatter than some others. I ended up buying gamo cartridges & never had another problem They were cheaper too.
Jim- technically all silencers are banned here in the U.S. you can however go thru a lengthy process & pay a $250.00 fee plus some other incidental fees & apply to the A.T.F. for a permit........if your state allows you to have one. Here in Missouri they are not allowed. The powers at be have been mostly looking the other way when the moderator is is the form of a permanantly attached barrel shroud. You still could find yourself in a bind if you encountered the wrong state, parrish, or city cop.