New To This/so What Am I Looking For

[TARGETZERO]

Right then,ive been intrested in this side of things recently,and would like to know exactly what i should be looking for:confused: im intrested in useing a nv scope.mainley in the pursuit of rabbits.i would want one were i would be able to see my target,in good detail,no guess work!must have a visible range of upto,at least 30 to 50 yards be reliable,and hopefully not prone to fogging.and must be easy to mount.on an airwolf or merlyn.decent price wouldnt go a miss ither;) any ideas?thanks perry

[stevie h]

Off the subject a bit , have you had any look getting shoots around Kirkby? from Kirkby myself and am just curious , am not after details as i respect that any shoots you have are yours, just interested .. cheers ste

[TARGETZERO]

have places to shoot,and know a few good ones,hard work to get any round here though,plenty shooting to be had though,if you know where to look;)

[cliveward]

Perry,

How far does the magazine protrude from above the action? This will determine what's going to fit.


Cheers





Clive

[TARGETZERO]

Perry,

How far does the magazine protrude from above the action? This will determine what's going to fit.


Cheers





Clive

:rolleyes: GOOD POINT THAT,the dreaded get the thing home,and it doesnt fit scenario.its your usaul daystate mag or tray,but to be honest,i dont trust thier mags,and never use them,no problems with the trays though

[cliveward]

Perry,

Just sent you an e-mail with some detailed information and links.


Cheers





Clive

[Baldie]

Right then,ive been intrested in this side of things recently,and would like to know exactly what i should be looking for:confused: im intrested in useing a nv scope.mainley in the pursuit of rabbits.i would want one were i would be able to see my target,in good detail,no guess work!must have a visible range of upto,at least 30 to 50 yards be reliable,and hopefully not prone to fogging.and must be easy to mount.on an airwolf or merlyn.decent price wouldnt go a miss ither;) any ideas?thanks perry

Unless you can stop breathing, fogging is inevitable. There is such a thing as a demist shield, but unless you plan to spend over £2500, you shouldn't expect to see one of these.

There is a thread somewhere that deals with condensation >>somewhere (http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166018&) << :D

If on a budget, you have two immediate choices...... dedicated or 'add-on'.

Dedicated.

Simple to use. Fix to gun, zero, and use as dayscope. Inexpensive at £325 (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20scope%20Gen1%20s2550.html), or go for focussable unit at £375 (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20scope%20Gen1%20s50%20pro.html). These units come with x2.5 mag as standard. The 'Pro' has the option of a doubler (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20doubler.html)to make it a x4 mag unit.

The units are claimed as Gen I+, but they are not. You'll know a 'proper' Gen I+ system when you see it advertised, because it'll cost almost as much as American Gen II+.;) Referring to Gen I as Gen I+ is typical of American web sites.

The 'Pro' is the cheapest dedicated x4 mag system I'm aware of. It's suitable for every rifle sold including springers. Other nearest priced dedicated unit is this (http://www.seventyninedesign.com/nvs/sabre.php) at £499.

Add on.

Currently, the best selling add-on system is the Merlin Gen I monocular and DSA. [Day Scope Adapter.] And that comes in at £320 (http://www.seventyninedesign.com/nvs/merlintac.php).

This system allows you to get the benefit of the higher magnification available from using a regular dayscope. The down side is that it adds some length to the optical sighting system you'll be using. I moved my scopes forward by using Sportsmatch Reach Forward mounts. Means I have to lean a little into the scope during the day. I still have to move my head back a little at night, but I've been doing ths for almost 3 years now, and don't notice the imposition. ;) Others have found moveable scopes work, or add length to their rifle butts while shooting at night.

The imposition may be balanced by being able to use this system on every rifle you own. With the exception of springers..... ;)

Illumination:

Most Gen I units have on-board illuminators. These function, and I know for fact there are NV users out there who rely on the on-board illuminators for their shooting. [At rats in barns for example.] To shoot at 30/40 yards, you will want to see at least 20 yards beyond for safety reasons. [Unless you are in a barn.;) ] I expect you would need additional illumination at those distances.

LED IR illuminatiors.

These are well priced from £85 (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20illuminator%20IR-530-2.html) to £99 (http://www.seventyninedesign.com/nvs/irled.php) to £105 (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20illuminator%20IR-530-3.html).

These are eye safe, and transform a dedicated systems range.

Laser IR illuminators.

These are NOT known to be eye-safe. Care must be taken with their use. [There is an eye safe one under deveopment, but I have no idea when it will -if ever- be available.]

Laser IR illuminators transform the operating range of an NV unit. These are especially useful with the add-on system, because some light loss is experienced with sitting it behind a dayscope.. These lasers are available from as little as £145 (http://www.nvscopes.com/night%20vision%20laser%20illuminator%20NAYVIS350.h tml) up to a whopping £225 (http://www.seventyninedesign.com/nvs/irled.php) for the best one currently on the market. ;)

So.......

Dedicated x4 mag system with illuminator at £495, or add-on system with laser for £499 (http://www.postmaster.co.uk/fs/geoffreydavies/Public//Air%20system%20-%20left.JPG).


There is a digital system (http://www.seventyninedesign.com/nvs/digiaddon.php) being released, but supplies of this system (http://www.gbsights.co.uk/digital.htm) are short and I alone have about 5 confirmed sales with as many people waiting to see if they will buy too. [Product is like hen's teeth at the moment, but this position is expected to change at the end of February/early March.:) ]


Hope this is useful..... :D




** PLEASE NOTE**

This is NOT an advert. It contains information on at least 3 NV suppliers (if you are in Scotland), and includes price comparisons and (hopefully unbiased) equipment comparisons.

If anyone has a complaint about the post, please PM me first.

Without links the post is practically useless, and I can't send this information via PM to every single enquirer, not least because this information will doubtless be useful to members and non-members alike.

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[TARGETZERO]

:rolleyes: well if that wasnt a good review;) lots of good stuff thier,just been looking at that s50,would prefer add on to dedicated though,good stuff thanks

[cliveward]

Perry,

I didn't mention the add on systems available from a few sources as from what I've heard the day scopes that you list on your profile are not ideally compatible with the units.

Mid range glass with adjustable focus seems to be the best bet. Then you would have to 'downgrade' one or both of your scopes (if you wanted to use it on both rifles) to use the NV add on with it.

Personally I use weaver bases on my rifles and swap between day and dedicated night scopes with QR mounts.

Sorry it's never straight forward with NV at the lower end of the market.

Lol the rule of thumb is the more money you spend the less compromise you have to make.


Cheers





Clive