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richness
08-04-2007, 10:19 AM
I have been interested in a Hushpower for ages because as much as I love my shotguns, I cringe every time I fire one out in the rough as I have always been predominantly an air rifle man and one of the finest things about modern air rifles is they’re so quiet all you really expect to hear is the hammer.

On getting some new permission, including a small rookery, I scoped it out for rifle and shotgun and decided that it was definitely most suitable for shottus maximus.
Problem is, though, there is a “sensitive” farmer about 100yards away from the rookery and roads quite closeby on two sides.
I was within my rights to use my normal shotgun (my never-missed-a-beat-over-thousands-of-rounds-in-all-weathers Hatsan Escort semi-auto 26” camo) but I was uncomfortable about booming away at all hours, so I took the plunge finally and opted for the Hushpower. I mostly shoot rooks so a 410 was out. I wanted something I could tune a bit so the bog-standard single-barrel was out, although I missed the extra compactness and efficiency of it, so I was happy to choose the 3shot Mossberg 500 pump. I looked hard at 20ga over 12ga as it seems that 20ga is a good bit quieter (just as the unmoderated ones are) but I still went for 12ga as a)the 20ga is no smaller physically, which would have been tempting and b) the 12ga just gives me more confidence.

Obviously the 500 pump is a no-frills gun BUT it is bulletproof reliable and very very upgradeable. You’re never really going to harm one and if you do, parts are cheap as chips and you can do almost any work yourself.


So the gun arrives in synthetic, which basically means matte black action with horrendously bad plastic fore-end and stock. This concerns me not a jot as I have been sent a set of Hogue “overmolded” rubber replacements which are pure class ($55 from USA) and really help the ergonomics of the stock (esp. the palm swell, which is inadequate on the supplied stock)
The action is tight and chunky but smooths out nicely, as does the safety.
The silencer barrel is well-finished and big. It feels strange but not terrible or off-putting. I immediately put a cartridge-holding stock sleeve on and filled it with 4 heaviest carts to add some weight to the back of the gun to help counteract the weight of the long silencer, which helped a good bit.
The standard barrel that is supplied (but not if you choose 20ga) is really really nice for me; the rib is perfectly tapered (as I would have chosen it myself, really) and is just nicely matte, with Mossberg multi-chokes (IC,M and F supplied). I consider it a freebie, really. The package is very good vfm, in my opinion, although I would always prefer chromed barrels.
A bore-snake just fits down the long barrel so it is just as easy to clean as normal. The silencer outer sleeve unscrews easily and the holes from the barrel into the outer chamber are thus accessible for cleaning – it’s dead straightforward.

Anyway, I was also concerned about how hard the subsonic ammo would or wouldn’t hit so I ordered some 32g 6 subsonic Hushpower cartridges (from justcartridges.com) with some trepidation. I expected cartridges that were over a third slower than normal to be seriously gutless and that I’d miss behind anyway….

Having now shot about 50 hunting rounds through this gun, I can assure prospective buyers that the gun hits very hard indeed. In fact, I’m amazed. I always have a tendency to over-lead rooks anyway as they are so big and slow so everything I aimed at with this combo got centre-pattern! I don’t know whether it’s the full choke, the improved pattern due to less gas/shot disturbance, the slower-burning powder….or what but I was walloping big rooks at 50yards, no two ways about it. I missed a few fairly comprehensively too, so I think the key is the full choke….
Anyway, I am now more than confident with the gun’s pointability, the point of aim despite the huge barrel and the stopping power of the carts (which somehow doesn’t seem any less than 32g 6 1450fps cartridges). Everything just folded up and plummeted to earth, which is how it should be. I’m interested to try normal carts through it too but haven’t as yet.

Noise-wise, this isn’t like an air rifle silencer where you take the thing back if it isn’t almost totally silent….the gun makes, from the shooter’s perspective, a solid bang. You pull the trigger, there is a hint of barrel lift and recoil after a cool metallic damping noise, a sort of short sharp bang and then you realise that the shot is long gone – it’s VERY smooth compared to the normal shooting sequence of a 12bore.

It is bedding in and getting quieter shot by shot, mind, but it still goes bang. What is interesting, though, is how much less spooked everything is….Within a few seconds, the rooks are settling down again! Within a short while, everything is back to normal and you realise how much quieter and less shocking the report must be at 50yards+

If you don’t need the added reassurance of 12ga and wider patterns, especially given the very tight choke, I would recommend the 20ga as a brilliant compromise. For indoors/barns/pheasant coops, I hear the 410 is devastating but for my fairly heavy-duty requirements, I am more than impressed with this combo.
Richard Utting

Spanner.
08-04-2007, 10:44 AM
Richard,

Nice review.

I have a S/B 410 with a 9 inch Hushpower and use it with std 2 1/2 cartridges, the noise it makes is a metallic clack. It does not sound like a gun firing and is excellent for Vermin up to 25 yards, I shot about 30 branchers with it last May and it caused very little disturbance.

One point, mine shoots low since the addition of the can but I just compensate with the aim. Does yours shoot to the point of aim?

richness
08-04-2007, 10:59 AM
Hi mate. :) Yes I hear the 410s really are very quiet. If I came across one second-hand I'd jump at it for farmyard work.
I have not consciously aimed low with mine and it seems to fire where I point it very naturally, but that is probably because it mounts naturally at a bit of an angle, changing my sight picture somewhat anyway; I feel that this coincidentally cancels out the aiming high issue.....
Happy easter, ATB Richard :)

Spanner.
08-04-2007, 11:56 AM
Thanks Richard.

Mine cost £50 for the Anschutz BA and £55 for the mod, so if you keep your eyes peeled for a cheap SB you can put one together yourself for not alot.

ATB

John

motley
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
hi
i have a mossberg 500e synthetic pump hushpower 410 and i use 3 inch subsonic amo it is quiet but not as quiet as a the single barrel baikal hushpower i had before it which i stupidly sold on here.i could use 3inch standard carts with it and it was alot quieter than the mossberg with subsonics
anyway just thought i would let you know
regards simon

richness
11-04-2007, 05:26 PM
Cheers Simon :)
It does seem that for ultimate quiet, a single barrel 410 is unbeatable.
That said, my 12ga pump is getting even better/quieter as it beds in as i'm getting toward 100shots fired now. It puts everything up briefly but they settle down in absolutely no time because whilst the firing noise is a disturbance to them, it just doesn't really shock like a gun report. I'm pleased i went for the 12 but will be buying a s/b 410 for super stealthy and close range stuff.
I'm SO impressed by the patterns/subsonic carts. It's made me re-think my whole shot size and choke choices.
How can a subsonic cartridge hit so hard at long range? I shot a fast crossing pigeon down this morning at what i would normally consider to be pretty long range and it just folded up dead as dead gets and fell to the ground.....I'm honestly choosing this hushpower over my other shotguns all the time now :D

Lefty Gunz
14-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Nice review, the description of the noise it makes is the best ive read:)

I was told by the sadlry and gunroom that the choke in the hushpower barrell is 1/2 and i tend to shoot 1/2 in the normal barrel aswell.

You will find that even with normal cartridges the silencer does make a hell of a difference.

One thing though, do you find that when cycling the subsonic rounds they are too short and somtimes fall through the lifter thinng and jam up?

richness
14-04-2007, 10:32 AM
Hey Lefty, thanks mate :)
V interesting....yes, i do actually find that the cartridge falls through the loading thingy, but only if i cock it slowly. I have learnt to be a bit more snick-snick with it and it hasn't happened since.
I take your point re modified choke (it is what is stamped on my barrel) so i really am at a loss as to how it hits so very hard at all ranges....but whatever the reasons, i'm delighted with the thing :D I'm going to have a mammoth patterning session next month and i'm going to pay particlular attention to very light loads/slower loads.
Worth noting again that the Hogue overmolded stock and forend are about 950% superior to the plastic OEM items and it just wouldn't be the same gun for me without them.
Also, i have recently tried the Truglo Titan titanium multi-choke (it's an adjustable, longer, hardened modern take on the original collet design, basically) and am now planning to sell all my various Briley extended chokes, i'm so taken by it. I have one on my Mozzy and one for my franchi and escort (which are both mobilchoke size)
CHeers, Richard :)

richness
20-04-2007, 08:38 PM
Got my first triple with it tonight :D
Best feeling in the world, a triple with a pump-action ;)

Wheres me dummy.............
24-04-2007, 10:48 PM
Must agree they are superb pieces of kit - Motley(Simon) you were right the single barrel fully moderated .410 is fantastic and i find myself using it more and more.

The sound level with 3" is very low - probably about the same as a .22RF firing subs with a mod on.

19g fiocchi are very effective out to 30 yards,and on the shoot "disturbance and settle down" time is good.

The most amazing thing was rats in a barn with 2" shells,after an hour of shooting farmer came in and asked why i had'nt shot any - i'd shot 9!,and the farmhouse is about 70 yards away.

Always room in the cabinet for one of these.

Now what about a 12 bore next:D

richness
25-04-2007, 08:19 PM
thanks mate :)
do you mean 3inch 19gr normal carts, or subsonics, as a matter of interest?

richness
29-04-2007, 08:21 PM
I shot a load of 36gr 5s through this gun this afternoon chasing crows (after using up all my subs yesterday on a LOT of rooks and pigeons) and of course, they were all plastic wads....Well i found a wad on the ground in the kill zone later and it was quite mashed up, with shot having gone through the side. So Hushpower's recommendation that you don't use platic wads makes sense now - perhaps the wads get turned and/or caught up a bit and this cannot be safe. Just so you know, chaps.....
As a matter of interest, the 36gr 5s hit hard as hell but that's no news. The supersonic 32g 6s i shot are not noticably harder-hitting or faster than the 32g 6 subs but are much louder. I've just ordered 500 of the hushpowers, i'm so stoked with them.
All i need now is to get enough people interested that i can organise ordering a special run of 10 000 in 34gr 5 subsonic from Eley ;)

cookoff013
04-05-2007, 02:41 PM
All i need now is to get enough people interested that i can organise ordering a special run of 10 000 in 34gr 5 subsonic from Eley

i`ve thought about doing this to. i`m a bigger fan of slower cartridges because they shoot nicer. i`m suprised no-one else has asked for a sub 36g #5.
they`ll punch in the right direction and pattern tight.
they can be a pain to find subsonics...

cookoff
(i`m glad someone else appreciates quality cartridges...)

richness
04-05-2007, 09:23 PM
Well that's one more on the list cookoff13 :) I could shoot my 5000 eventually..... ;)
Anyone else for some 36gr 5 subs? We only need 20 people to order 500 each...you know they'll be seriously sweet cartridges - once you've tried them there's no going back, i tell you :)

richness
04-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Had a friend fire a Black Gold clay load beside me(which are far from being the loudest) from my auto, then i fired the Eley hushpower clay load through the Mossberg - well you just laugh at the difference - the boom and the crack from the normal gun/cart just seem cartoonish by comparison.
It's getting quiet enough now that you can hear the shot going through the air. Also noticed that pairs are much easier to get onto due to less lift.
Also had a look at the Laporte moderated o/u they have a High Lodge. Looked much more elegant (although still weird), normal length, weight and balance though - v v nice. Shoot my mossy so well now i'm not bothered and laporte is over £1100 but worth knowing they're out there.

cookoff013
08-05-2007, 01:48 PM
i fired about 300rounds on the weekend, 32g #6. they really hurt.
i had 90 minutes to get through the course. so it was very quick.

i also had a go with the wife`s chevron Low recoil shells. (the clay ground has never heard of subsonics..... :o )

i found them adequate. if not better for the prolonged shoot. i even got a scyscraper with one...
i dont shoot enough to warant buying speciality cartridges, (i undrestand the benefits of slower cartridges...).
there is a shot size limit..of 6 and the 5`s would break the rule. (even though they`re subs.)
6`s subs-can be bought off the shelf..
if i had money to burn i`d be there....
i`m sorry to pull out..

richness
08-05-2007, 05:25 PM
I think it's probably just a pipedream anyway mate :)
I shot the Mossberg all weekend and then went back to my clay gun and, well, horses for courses :) My scores with the Mossy still emabarrassed the hell out of a lot of people who were joking "What, is it driven rhino day?" but my clay gun is different class, obviously,and as much as i rate the subsonic loads, the Black Golds i normally use do fly pretty hard.....

pothunter
06-07-2007, 10:29 AM
I've just bought a hushpower baikal sb .410 specifically to use around phezzie pens and i am extremely impressed, it is incredibly quiet and I have been told that it will get better the more rounds I put through it.
All I hear is the click of the hammer hitting the pin/pin hitting primer then a "ting".
The gun is not the prettiest in the world and that's putting it mildly, but this is very much a tool for a specific job and is function over form. The balance is around an inch and a half in front of the hinge pins so not a problem and certainly not too muzzle heavy.
I have tried 2, 2 1/2 and 3" shells through it and noise levels do not vary hugely, unfortunately I have been unable to source subbies for it yet, but at the current noise levels I am not sure it's worth hunting for them.
Thoroughly recommended!!

Jumping Jack
06-07-2007, 12:57 PM
www.justcartridges.com

is where i got mine from.

cookoff013
06-07-2007, 01:04 PM
what you could do is buy subs cartridges in 7.5 and put in the same gram of number 5`s. might be a pfaff to start with but could be the answer to your minimal usage of cartridges. you`ll need to source 5`shot. and a re crimp tool (cheap)
just dont add more or less shot than the cartridge already holds. the powders are worked out to the correct pressure / powder performance.
as the powders are set to work very hard anyway.

pothunter
06-07-2007, 10:05 PM
www.justcartridges.com (http://www.justcartridges.com)

is where i got mine from.

Thanks, will try them

Much appreciated

Richard

leadpig
13-07-2007, 07:32 PM
Thanks Richard.

Mine cost £50 for the Anschutz BA and £55 for the mod, so if you keep your eyes peeled for a cheap SB you can put one together yourself for not alot.

ATB

John
can you buy/do the mod your self then:confused::),i thought you had to send your gun to them:confused:

BunnyHunter
31-12-2007, 02:43 PM
can you buy/do the mod your self then:confused::),i thought you had to send your gun to them:confused:

Yes you can fit a mod yourself, you dont need a license for a seciton 2 moderator, but you will need a lathe and some tools.



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Chris St. MH
01-01-2008, 11:12 PM
just dont add more or less shot than the cartridge already holds. the powders are worked out to the correct pressure / powder performance..

Surely the smaller shot are heavier for a given volume because they use up the space better - therefore if you swap to larger shot for a given volume you'll end up with a lighter load?

cookoff013
02-01-2008, 09:56 AM
28grams is still 28 grams with either shot.
there aint much difference between 7 and 5 shot sizes.
i get your point about the different `packing stack` and the larger shotsize should have a longer cartridge lenth. but were talking about extra 100`s of an inch at maximum.. to the cartridge lenth.