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Mousemann
24-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Dearest moderators,
Few as we are in number:
http://www.knology.net/~jparkes/genealogy/mooretn/moore/5612561.jpg
might the BBS please consider a section for black powder shooters?
Thankin' you,
MM
Eagleman
24-05-2007, 07:43 PM
I'm hoping the new BBS rifle club will develop a Black Powder section. As much as I fancy an 1851 Navy Revolver I need plenty of reassurance about Blackpowder!
8mm Mauser
24-05-2007, 07:56 PM
I've not fired my .45 Old Army for a while - we should have our own section :).
Hares Ear
24-05-2007, 08:06 PM
The majority on here don't use Black Powder. They use Pyrodex, Triple 7 or some other heathen concoctions.;)
Smokeless Coal
24-05-2007, 08:08 PM
Eagleman, 1851 Navy Revolver ,Hmm nice.
Not the ideal target shooter, more a sticking to the spirit type. They are open framed, meaning there is no top strap above the cylinder to keep them rigid, also try to avoid anything brass framed as they can "stretch" over time and if heavy loaded a lot.
If you do any reloading, thats exactly what you are doing with a m/l, the difference is you do it at the range instead of sat at a press. The press is built on to the firearm. Even if it is just a ramrod on a longarm.
You soon get in the swing of it and have a set pattern to avoid dangerous operations.
Calibre44
24-05-2007, 08:13 PM
The majority on here don't use Black Powder. They use Pyrodex, Triple 7 or some other heathen concoctions
Take your point Hares Ears why don't we change it to 'Muzzle Loading' instead of BP?
stevek
24-05-2007, 09:10 PM
nasty smelly horrible things , on the firing line just about to complete that one hole group ............. and you get enveloped by a cloud of choking smoke from 6 points down ( why is it the muzzle loading fanatic always gets the downwind firing point .....)
:D
Calibre44
24-05-2007, 09:27 PM
nasty smelly horrible things , on the firing line just about to complete that one hole group ............. and you get enveloped by a cloud of choking smoke from 6 points down ( why is it the muzzle loading fanatic always gets the downwind firing point .....)
I think it's a gift!:D
Smokeless Coal
24-05-2007, 09:41 PM
I try to stand next to noobs having their first go with a rimmy.
A full load, listen to the pattern of their shots and time it to let rip at the second before they fire. Share the experience.
Wahhhaaa, I can join this club. Have a black powder double 10 bore on the hsotgun certificate, has been nitro proofed though so can use it how I like :)
Would love to play at pistols at some point as well.
John Bedford
24-05-2007, 11:22 PM
Mods - another vote for an (albeit small) section for muzzle loaders.....please.
As for 'real' BP, why use it with the licensing/storage regulations, fouling and corrosion (if you don't clean promptly) when you can avoid all this by using a modern substitute?
loiner1965
25-05-2007, 04:43 AM
Mods - another vote for an (albeit small) section for muzzle loaders.....please.
As for 'real' BP, why use it with the licensing/storage regulations, fouling and corrosion (if you don't clean promptly) when you can avoid all this by using a modern substitute?
me too......:D
Ok you have it, so lets see some posts, nice looking bunch of lads in the pic by the way:D
Ok you have it, so lets see some posts, nice looking bunch of lads in the pic by the way:D
'Ang on! 'Ang on! Can it please cover both BP and ML?
There are those of us who shoot BP cartridge stuff like 577 Snider and 450 Martini-Henry, even if we might use modern propellants that are easier to purchase and store.
Why not just call it 'Antique and Repro' ?
Regards,
MikB
loiner1965
25-05-2007, 06:58 AM
'Ang on! 'Ang on! Can it please cover both BP and ML?
There are those of us who shoot BP cartridge stuff like 577 Snider and 450 Martini-Henry, even if we might use modern propellants that are easier to purchase and store.
Why not just call it 'Antique and Repro' ?
Regards,
MikB
too late mike,,,,its called muzzleloaders..................oh and i was the first one to post on it even with my limp wrist:D:D:D:)
Mousemann
25-05-2007, 08:36 AM
Yep, absolutely. Muzzle-loaders, not just BP.
Sorry - put BP meaning ML, if you see what I mean.
Calibre44
25-05-2007, 11:51 AM
As much as I fancy an 1851 Navy Revolver I need plenty of reassurance about Blackpowder!
I bought an Uberti Navy .36 in Jan this year after shooting a few BR revolvers at my range. The Navy is a beautiful looking gun (with octagonal barrel) and the mechanics are sound. (at least I haven’t had any probs). Getting the BP licence from the Explosives Officer and the carry licence from H&S was a fag at the beginning but all well worth it in the end.:)
The arguments for and against BP are well argued but I knew what I was getting into. (do lots of research first – the American website are great for this) One of the reasons I chose BP was I just wanted to use the Navy as it was intended i.e. .36 cal and BP.
BP is indeed messy, dirty, smelly and the gun needs scrupulous cleaning after each shooting session but that’s all part of it to me.
In terms of the accuracy arguments between BP and its substitutes - don’t go there as you won’t win your argument!! – it’s more important to get the load, lube and weight of the ball right what ever propellant you choose. My Navy doesn’t shoot POA but most don’t. There is an argument to say that Colt BP revolvers were designed to aim at the groin or belt buckle in order to hit the heart. – not sure how true this is. I have to aim below the black and off to 5 o’clock at 25m to hit the target (which quite often looks like a pepper pot). But I didn’t buy it for accuracy: I bought it to have fun – which is what I have time and time again. I have an order in for a .44 Remmie with target sights which I will use in competitions.
Not sure if this helps but I love my Navy and BP. (but don’t shoot it with a strong wind blowing in yer face or you’ll be smelling like you’ve just smoked a thousand cigs):D
John
Smokeless Coal
25-05-2007, 01:24 PM
it’s more important to get the load, lube and weight of the ball right what ever propellant you choose.
Just about sums up the "black art" of muzzle loading.
Hares Ear
25-05-2007, 07:16 PM
nasty smelly horrible things , on the firing line just about to complete that one hole group ............. and you get enveloped by a cloud of choking smoke from 6 points down ( why is it the muzzle loading fanatic always gets the downwind firing point .....)
:D
To blow the smoke away from our firing point. Then you can marvel at the one hole groups we are shooting with our B.P. Rifles.
Hares Ear
25-05-2007, 07:17 PM
Mods - another vote for an (albeit small) section for muzzle loaders.....please.
As for 'real' BP, why use it with the licensing/storage regulations, fouling and corrosion (if you don't clean promptly) when you can avoid all this by using a modern substitute?
Because most of the modern substitutes are more corrosive than Black Powder, and make an even bigger mess of your cases and barrel.
BobHarget
26-05-2007, 08:05 AM
On guest days at Leicester Shooting Centre the black powder handguns are without doubt the most popular. We use a mixed bag of guns from Colt replica's to Rugers and both Pyrodex and Swiss BP. Casting our own balls also enables us to get the best composition of lead.
The only drawback is that it is left to the RO's to clean up afterwards :(
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