Stupid Questions

[jkata]

Good afternoon

After the really useful information regarding getting started, I have got most of the bits and pieces I need to get started (I think), Well I've got a bag of shiny things from Henry Kranks.

I am used to to reloading centrefire ammo so used to measuring powders by weight, I am a little confused by the whole measuring by volume thing though.

How doe this work in its simplest terms

I understand that I should be taking a starting weight of for example 12gns of Black Powder, measure the volume and then use this volume of pyrodex- is that right.

If it is, is there any way of converting this so I can use my reloading scales to weight out the equivalent volumes of Pyrodex.

Before someome tells me to look at the tub of pyrodex, that is in my cellar and I'm in work

Thanks guys

Hoping to get my firs shots fired tomorrow night.

John

[DJS]

The volume of one grain of fffg blackpowder is 0.0628 cc
The volume of one grain of pyrodex p is 0.0823 cc
To find the weight of pyrodex p that is equal in volume to 12 grains of fffg blackpowder; 12 x 0.763 = 9.156 grains.
I hope that makes sense!
Daz

[jkata]

That is exactly what I was looking for, thank you

[loiner1965]

That is exactly what I was looking for, thank you

shoot next to me john then i will make you look good:D

[loiner1965]

shoot next to me john then i will make you look good:D

......keep away from wild bill hickock,,{ colm }...he can shoot:mad:

[jkata]

Well I'm going to finally get to try it tomorrow I hope.

16gns by weight of pyrodex- about the same as 21gn by volume of fffg if my calcs are right.

Think I've got all I need to atleast get some smoke going down the range :D

[Smokeless Coal]

Chart for converting

http://www.curtrich.com/BPConversionSheet.htm

Worth printing out in case it disappers off the web.

16gr pyro = 23.5gr BP

[jkata]

Chart for converting

http://www.curtrich.com/BPConversionSheet.htm

Worth printing out in case it disappers off the web.

16gr pyro = 23.5gr BP

?

When I read right to left from 16.4gns of pyrodex is the same as 20.4gns fffg

[Smokeless Coal]

No that was AAP, Goex is black powder. Read the bit at the top 100gr goex=100gr BP vol to wt are same

[jkata]

What is Pinnacle FFFG?

Does that mean the calculation above for converting grains by volume of BP to Grains by weight of Pyrodex is wrong?

[Smokeless Coal]

Good point, pinnacle is another substitue.

http://www.goexpowder.com/product-pinnacle.html

There is a column missing from that chart to show the weight comparison between ffg BP and fffg BP.

The literature for pinnacle says its a straight swap for BP so I guess you are right to say 20.4gr to 16gr pyro going by the chart if we accept fffg BP and fffg pinnacle are the same wt/vol.

[jkata]

Not confused at all, honest

Anyway, using the 16gn of pyrodex last night made a nice big bang, plenty of sparks out of the front and I even managed to hit one of the targets at 20yrds.

Good start to my BP career I hope :D:D:D

[Smokeless Coal]

Theres a bit on substitutes here

http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.html

Notice you dont need lube with 777

Its not really that critical what your start load is, you will be going up and down to find what you like. I use 12gr when I am trying to score on the target and 30gr when there are newbies on the firing line, lots of bang and smoke to keep them on their toes.:D

[loiner1965]

Not confused at all, honest

Anyway, using the 16gn of pyrodex last night made a nice big bang, plenty of sparks out of the front and I even managed to hit one of the targets at 20yrds.

Good start to my BP career I hope :D:D:D

sure they were 2 targets up there john......:rolleyes:

[jkata]

I thought I was saving paper and being very generous leaving the other one for someone else to use it :p

[loiner1965]

I thought I was saving paper and being very generous leaving the other one for someone else to use it :p

we both think alike as i did exactly the same the other week:D:D:D

[gunnut]

Beware pyrodex,I found it to be a lot greasier and more corrosive than the real thing(bp)A member of my club shoots 777,and highly recomends it.I personally go woth black powder because my black powder guns are for black powder,its a taste thing.Enjoy your shoot either way,and welcome to the world of smokers and soot!lol
:D

[Smokeless Coal]

Pyro is the evilist of concoctions. It is a modified BP rather than a subtitute. It was developed to be "non explosive" to get around postal (DOT)and storage (NFPA) restrictions in th US.

777 is a modern substitute it contains no sulfur so residues are very much kinder of your gun. Ruducing the long term damage to my piece is more important to me than authenticity. It still smokes and goes bang so it looks right, I just dont go home smelling like rotten eggs.

[robinghewitt]

The sulphur is there to reduce the flashpoint to level where a flinter can set it off. That's why Pyrodex doesn't work so good in the pan :D