200yards

[flims]

well well in my quest to see what else people are doing with airguns i ran across this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5md7Ke4BsA&mode=related&search=

quite some good shooting. time of flight is long so its credible.

[flukeyluke]

Great vid:D thats a longgggg way:eek:

[joekid]

fac hw97k.177 ,200 yard shots it realy brings it home watching a springer do it!

[snock]

fac hw97k.177 ,200 yard shots it realy brings it home watching a springer do it!

Against cans etc, maybe.
Never against live quarry.;)

[baz]

fac hw97k.177 ,200 yard shots it realy brings it home watching a springer do it!

Wow! What exactly can you shoot at 200yds with your .177 HW?

[flims]

if you're going to try it, make sure you have a large target such as a 1.5x1m cardboard so that you know by how much you are missing.otherwise you will get nervous and give up:)) get your elevation first. i've seen a couple trying and stop because they shoot at something big which they expect to hit and when they dont they just give up. however those pellets are usually landing in some sort of pattern down range. it will be very interesting to seeing it done with a springer.

[steve.wain]

Anyone know hpw to use that reticle on the site he's looking though?

[BunnyHunter]

Long shooting is fun :D I have shot out to 150 yards on a dry dusty field (with a hill backstop) and its awesome to see the pellet loop over like a morter!

[Trakker]

Anyone know hpw to use that reticle on the site he's looking though?

tasco off 'badbay' range fider ret /mil dot ,red/green . cheep as chips...

[Bayard]

Surely something not quite right about that? The flight time was faster than my HMR! :rolleyes:

[aquarius11]

OK so who else noticed the slight recoil? if its a 12ft lb AA410 no recoil so its my gues its an fac version espesialy to break the bottles at this distance, so no big deal as he was prone and rifle rested on a solid bank
aquarius11

[sniper-wolf]

Deffinately FAC as you can hear the high pitched "ping" of the hammer spring. Turn the volume up and have a listen.
My 40FPE HarrierX in .22 had exactly the same sound.

[MWNimrug]

Not a brilliant idea :eek:
Shards of glass left for some animal or person to end up with multable stitches from deep wounds or loss of blood from slashed arteries
Dont use bottles and glass use tins:o:)

[craggrat]

What ft lb is that rifle putting out, Great video. shame it is not rabbits.
craggrat

[tomocarper]

he mentions in the comments its 32lb/ft so yeah

[Handy Andy]

He is shooting an airams s410 extra, which is the fac version, up to 34ft lbs. Still very impressive though, but agree, cans more usser friendly than bottles.

[cpt-vera]

200 yds my arse :rolleyes:

[lionel]

I'm proud to say that I have shot a stone - roughly the size of a brick - at a lasered and witnessed range of 301 yards with an air rifle. The first couple of shots missed, but kicked up dust in the muddy field, so I could see how to adjust the aim. Once I'd worked out the aim I managed to hit it two or three times in a row before some close misses. The rifle was a regulated prototype, set to 60 fpe and firing Eley Magnums.

Lionel:)

[Rapidnick]

I'm proud to say that I have shot a stone - roughly the size of a brick - at a lasered and witnessed range of 301 yards with an air rifle. The first couple of shots missed, but kicked up dust in the muddy field, so I could see how to adjust the aim. Once I'd worked out the aim I managed to hit it two or three times in a row before some close misses. The rifle was a regulated prototype, set to 60 fpe and firing Eley Magnums.

Lionel:)

Yah boo we don't believe YOOOOOOO! Are you sure the witness didn't have a white stick and a labrador with him?:D
Go on admit it! You were using a 17HMR bipod rested and in perfect weather!!

[reptile69]

i belive you mate. if i talked about the ranges i shoot, people would be outraged jealous etc. also it gets me when people talk about long range shootin with HMR and CF'S and folks are like yeah thats fine thats ok but when someone asks for example whats your max range hmr they say 200m max but we all know what they can out too silly ranges and folks dont say anything like thats bull#### so whats the big deal with air rifles shooting at long distance's

[Gary C]

i belive you mate. if i talked about the ranges i shoot, people would be outraged jealous etc.

Go on..make my day

[grogblossom]

:eek:used to shoot to 22000 yrds :Doh yeh that was a 4.5"

[reptile69]

Go on..make my dayif i told a smart arse like you, you would give up shooting :cool:

[AKSS]

well well in my quest to see what else people are doing with airguns i ran across this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5md7Ke4BsA&mode=related&search=

quite some good shooting. time of flight is long so its credible.

That is a lot of BULL.....at 200 meters a 16 grain pellet has no chance of breaking glass bottles and i am not even saying anything about accuracy

[sniper-wolf]

That is a lot of BULL.....at 200 meters a 16 grain pellet has no chance of breaking glass bottles and i am not even saying anything about accuracy

A sub .177 12FPE air rifle doing 790FPS will break a glass bottle at 100yds.

[Gary C]

if i told a smart arse like you, you would give up shooting :cool:

He he

Everybody can talk the talk...

Talks cheap but bull#### costs ;)
Here's the deal.
You make your claim
I call you on it
We have a bet - you prove it in front of witnesses and I pay you.
So.. make your play or just carry on playing with yourself. Put up or shut up.


oops
Sorry bud. I didn't realise you are a harmless fantasist - off to live in USA, conviction for assault, owner of several firearms. Dream on mate. Dream on :D:D:D

[baz]

I have done some filming similar to that but not using air rifles, I will bet that isnt 200yds, it will look like it through a camera being zoomed in and out but a 410E pellet wouldnt get to 200yds in that short a time no way

I would say thats 100yds and once he had looked at his video he realised it could look 200yds, the time from ping to plop is way too quick to be 200yds and the amount of dust kicked up also shows its bollox

I would hazard a guess that the projectile would have to leave muzzle in excess of 1500fps if that was 200yds and theres no supersonic crack;)

Now 34ftlb from a S410E and a JSB Exact would be about 970fps which would be just about right for 100yds and wouldn have a SS crack:rolleyes:

Its BS

[Robert .22]

I have done some filming similar to that but not using air rifles, I will bet that isnt 200yds, it will look like it through a camera being zoomed in and out but a 410E pellet wouldnt get to 200yds in that short a time no way

I would say thats 100yds and once he had looked at his video he realised it could look 200yds, the time from ping to plop is way too quick to be 200yds and the amount of dust kicked up also shows its bollox

I would hazard a guess that the projectile would have to leave muzzle in excess of 1500fps if that was 200yds and theres no supersonic crack;)

Now 34ftlb from a S410E and a JSB Exact would be about 970fps which would be just about right for 100yds and wouldn have a SS crack:rolleyes:

Its BSspeed of sound is 1153feet per second bud thats why rimfire fires at 1050fps to be below speed of sound :D

[flims]

the thing that worries me with these feats is that they don't usually give data, no drop figures in MOA Mils or anything, the scopes on the rifles are not adequate for that sort of work and no one speaks of WIND DRIFT

even if they turn down the magnification to get a wider view to hold off, then you can maybe hit a door but not bottles. the groups are already big enough at that distance so you need a fine aiming point.


a 2 mile/hour wind full value at 170meters is already enough to put me off the 12" plate and a 2mile/hour wind is nothing, its that wind that you barely feel on the hair of your ears. At 4mph the wind starts creating that bubbling sounds in your ear which disturbs you a little.

the nice thing about long range shooting is to put the pellet there with 1-3 shots. more than that and you should be doing something else. I expect anyone serious on his long range to have the elevation correct from the 1st shot and be slightly off for wind assuming the wind is blowing up to 6mph. the ones that empty a mag just to get there are a long way off.

[johan_portin]

According to my Ballistics program the flight time should be around 1.5 seconds, using BC 0.020 and muzzle velocity 280 mps (919fps). He would have to have a holdover of 20ft and the pellet would have 2.2ft-lbs when hitting the bottle.

And by the way speed of sound is 343mps(1129fps)

Im getting realy curious if it can be done though. 200m…
Doing the same calculation on a barracuda cal .25 at 1050 fps one would need a 10ft hold over and the pellet would hit with 12ft-lbs. Flight time would be 1 second and the pellet would travel 4.5ft over the sight line at its highest point.

I will have to test this :)

[Skoll]

Surely something not quite right about that? The flight time was faster than my HMR! :rolleyes:
That assumes the audio and visual are completely in sync, and that doesn't always happen on Youtube.

[flims]

According to my Ballistics program the flight time should be around 1.5 seconds, using BC 0.020 and muzzle velocity 280 mps (919fps). He would have to have a holdover of 20ft and the pellet would have 2.2ft-lbs when hitting the bottle.

And by the way speed of sound is 343mps(1129fps)

Im getting realy curious if it can be done though. 200m…
Doing the same calculation on a barracuda cal .25 at 1050 fps one would need a 10ft hold over and the pellet would hit with 12ft-lbs. Flight time would be 1 second and the pellet would travel 4.5ft over the sight line at its highest point.

I will have to test this :)

hi johan glad you are going for it, we are using the same gun after all.

it will probably take more than a second to get there, even 150meters seems a long way when i squeeze the trigger. i'll bet it will be close to 2 sec for 200m. at 924ft/s 145m is running my elevation turret at 8.5mils(from 35m zero) if i remember well off hand. dat is 1.23m hold over. however im sure that you will break the glass bottle at 200m. im still going through .75" chipboard at that distance;) i wont run out of elevation this time, i've got 21Mils on my elevation in theory enough to 220meters but havent enough space available for that.

[baz]

speed of sound is 1153feet per second bud thats why rimfire fires at 1050fps to be below speed of sound :D

Er I know that "bud";) But a S410E will only run to around `1000fps max in .22

My subsonic Eley plus .22 rimfire bullets shoot at 1080fps as do all the Match bullets from the best makers;)

[snock]

Enjoy those eggs, Baz.


:D

[baz]

The speed of sound changes with altitude I am told:cool:

Usint a .25 with heavy pellets at 1130fps you have a LOT more chance of achieving reasonable accuracy at 200yds and enough energy to smash a bottle than the one in the film

I think hes a max of 120yds from the target, still pretty good but a LOT different to 200yds as the pellet will be dropping like a mortar after 100yds, as it does on a .22 rimfire

I have shot tin cans at 300yds using .22 rimfire and subsonics, but it was on a dry field so bullet splash was easy to see (and richocets!) the holdover was quite a few feet but I cant remember how many as it was years ago

All good fun though

[baz]

Enjoy those eggs, Baz.


:D

If they want to argue firearm ballistics I am quite happy to get going:D

[johan_portin]

The speed of sound changes with altitude I am told:cool:



Who ever told you that need to do some reading, cuz its bull. Sound is not dependent on pressure, just temperature!

But it’s a common miss conception since its normally colder at higher altitude! Doing the math on this, the post Robert .22 posted earlier is not wrong if he shoots at 35 degrees Celsius. The speed of sound increases with temperature.

[Guesty]

Yah boo we don't believe YOOOOOOO! Are you sure the witness didn't have a white stick and a labrador with him?:D
Go on admit it! You were using a 17HMR bipod rested and in perfect weather!!

I realise that you're pulling his leg Nick, but I KNOW Lionel is telling the truth as I've hit that same 300 yard stone too with that (Ian Collins' own) rifle shooting from his back garden across the adjacent field in Bedfordshire.
Yes, it was like hurling mortars (or more precisely, 22LR subs), but it was surprisingly, no, amazingly accurate. I would not have thought it possible for an air rifle, albeit a rather extreme one, to perform like that had I not actually seen it for myself.

Incidentally, the previous poster is correct in his assertion that the speed of sound in air is only linked to temperature.
IIRC, the equation to calculate is:

38.94*Root K = Speed of sound in Kts

Where K = temp in Kelvin.

[baz]

I am sure I read somewhere its to do with altitude and density, however that isnt my particular "thing" I prefer ballistics, and I dont shoot from mountains anyway

[baz]

The discussion I am interested in is the one about a S410E shooting bottles at 200yds with no supersonic crack apparent, I just think it is closer than 200yds

[Gary C]

Who ever told you that need to do some reading, cuz its bull. Sound is not dependent on pressure, just temperature!

But it’s a common miss conception since its normally colder at higher altitude! Doing the math on this, the post Robert .22 posted earlier is not wrong if he shoots at 35 degrees Celsius. The speed of sound increases with temperature.



SoS through a medium is dependent of Density. Greater the density the faster the SoS. My first degree, plus post grad qualifications, was in surveying and this is one of the basic concepts of underwater survey. In terms of air, unless I am mistaken, Air is less dense at higher altitudes therefore SoS will be slower, therefore Baz is right and you are wrong.

A cursory glance shows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound

[baz]

SoS through a medium is dependent of Density. Greater the density the faster the SoS. My first degree, plus post grad qualifications, was in surveying and this is one of the basic concepts of underwater survey. In terms of air, unless I am mistaken, Air is less dense at higher altitudes therefore SoS will be slower, therefore Baz is right and you are wrong.
[/URL]

Aint as daft as I look then:rolleyes::D:D

[Guesty]

Aint as daft as I look then:rolleyes::D:D

Actually, you might be... ;) (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-speedsound.htm)

Speed of sound in air is only linked to temperature. Speed of sound in other mediums is a whole load more complicated!

[Gary C]

Actually, you might be... ;) (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-speedsound.htm)

Speed of sound in air is only linked to temperature. Speed of sound in other mediums is a whole load more complicated!


Interesting but superficial. Just because the author of this piece says ignore altitude doesn't mean he is literally correct. You ignore altitude because you are using Rho, air pressure. The reason that altitude has an effect is because of the change it has on Rho. If you have already measure Rho then the altitude that Rho is measured at is irrelevent.

If you don't have Rho, and are making a calculation, then you will need the altitude to be able to make it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

[baz]

What Gary said:p:D

[baz]

Actually, you might be... ;) (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-speedsound.htm)

Speed of sound in air is only linked to temperature. Speed of sound in other mediums is a whole load more complicated!

From that you could say that no matter how far from target the trajectory would remain the same:cool:

Gary is pretty clued up on this subject but I admit I aint;)

[Guesty]

Interesting but superficial. Just because the author of this piece says ignore altitude doesn't mean he is literally correct. You ignore altitude because you are using Rho, air pressure. The reason that altitude has an effect is because of the change it has on Rho. If you have already measure Rho then the altitude that Rho is measured at is irrelevent.

If you don't have Rho, and are making a calculation, then you will need the altitude to be able to make it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

Sorry, I still don't agree. I can't find any reference to pressure or density (P) being relevant to the speed of sound in air. During my training, I remember being specifically taught that is was purely dependant on temperature.
This page (http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/sound_speed_gas.htm) sums it all up quite nicely.

[Gary C]

Merchant.

My congratulations on a well reasoned argument :), and I concede happily. My training as a surveyor was 30 years ago time has let me remember some points but let me forget others.

SoS varies with altitude, that is a simple fact.
SoS varies with pressure and density, that is a fact.

However I forgot that the relationship between pressure and density is opposite and equal, therefore as one effects the S0S with altitude the other cancels it out. Therefore, as you said, these factors do not come into play.

However the original assertion with I remember well is that SoS varies with altitude is correct due to temperature and humidity calculations. In Europe, IIRC, temp declines 3 degrees per 1000 feet and humidity changes also. This means that, in theory, given constant humidity and temp S0S will remain constant with altitude, while in practice I know of no geographical region where there phenomena could occur

Many thanks, I've enjoyed re-reading this and it's brought back some memories. My thirst for knowledge quenched, I'm off to surf for porn :)

[verminhunter]

I'm off to surf for porn :)






And Bash the Bishop too .
:D:D

[r.j.s.]

i,ve seen this clip. would an owner of a fire arms certificate make such a clip?
Looks a bit odd to me.

[Skoll]

i,ve seen this clip. would an owner of a fire arms certificate make such a clip?
The shooter is not from the UK - his youtube profile says he's Polish.

I don't know about Polish airgun law, but I would suffice to say, it is not the same as UK law. It is entirely possible, although I cannot say, that like in the US, airguns of any power are exempt.

[blackscale]

It looks like it is around 200m to me!??
If he was running 950'ish....with a heavy'ish lead...it looks about right to me!

I froze the frame and had a good look it appears to be twice as far as i have ever shot!:rolleyes::D

bit stupid with the glass but good shooting!..I wonder how many shots it took though?..Most likely cut the vid.
I love this long range stuff!...Can't wait to have a go myself when i get a chance!:D:D
Interesting!

[baz]

He aint going to get 950fps with heavy lead, not in a S410E, Bismags will not reach 950 unless gun has been modified and the sound of the gun sounds std FAC

I have shot air rifles up to 100ftlb plus, and that is a 28-30ftlb AA with Exacts

I still think its 100m made to look 200m easy to do if you zoom in and out with cheap camera

[Gary C]

The shooter is not from the UK - his youtube profile says he's Polish.

I don't know about Polish airgun law, but I would suffice to say, it is not the same as UK law. It is entirely possible, although I cannot say, that like in the US, airguns of any power are exempt.

No they are not

[Skoll]

No they are not
Well, fair enough - I've never seen fit to study Polish gun law, so would you care to elaborate for the benefit of those of us in the dark about it?