Problems At Longer Ranges

[Jonty H]

I have loaded 36 grn Varmint Grenades and 55 grn Vmax over 18.5 grns of H4198 in my 222, at 100 yds i`m getting sub 1" groups but at 200 yds the grouping is awful and the drop is around 6". Would more powder sort this out or is there another solution ? :confused:

[mildot]

you should be looking at a max of aprox 22gr for 36gr bullet and 19.5gr for the 55gr according to Hodgsons site!

As for the larger groups try a different powder

[bobb d]

I have regularly managed 20mm groups at 200yds with my 222 using Vit N130 21.8 gr and 50 gr V-max. I think it might be a bullet weight issue as you are using 36 gr and 55 gr. Try a middle of the road weight like 40 or 50. I load for a few 222`s and they all like N130 combined with Rem 7 1/2 primers. Have you tried different primers with H4198 powder.?? The 222 should more or less single hole at 100yds if the load is good and the shooter does his bit right.

HTH, Bob

[Jonty H]

What i dont understand is what is happening between 100 yards (sub 1" group) and 200 yds (no group)

[Jonty H]

I loaded the Varmint Grenades up to the max load (21.5grns) and the grouping at 200 yds is just over 2". I will try going up to the max with the 55grn Vmax (19.5grns) but i am begining to wonder if H4198 is a "safe" powder for learning to reload with and that 55grn bullets are too heavy for the 222

[Treebone]

I think you would have better success changing to a slightly slower powder such as H322 or H335,
Using a slower powder allows you to up your load density before pressure signs start to show themselves, a higher load density has always been beneficial to accuracy.
I have had excellent results in the past using H322 under a 52grn JLK.
Bullets of 50-55 grains are what the triple was designed for.

TB

[bobb d]

What i dont understand is what is happening between 100 yards (sub 1" group) and 200 yds (no group)


The bullets aint working. I dont know why I bothered posting:rolleyes:

[Jonty H]

]The bullets aint working

No s--t Sherlock :mad:
Being new to reloading i posted this thread in the hope of some intelligent and helpful advice from experianced reloaders who would be happy to help a fellow BBS member, which i am glad to say the majority of threads have been. However as my dear old Granny used to say "every bunch of roses has a pr-ck"


In answer to your question "i don't know why i bothered posting"

Neither do i, please feel free not to bother next time !

[bobb d]

What i dont understand is what is happening between 100 yards (sub 1" group) and 200 yds (no group)
You posted this after I replied to your post,
I presume you either ignored my advice or you did not bother to read it. I have reloaded for years and I am always happy to help where I can. I have loaded the 222 for years along with .17 Rem, 22 Hornet, 303 British, 243, 22-250, 308 etc etc and my advice was your bullet weight may not be suitable and you asked the same question again about what is happening between 100 and 200. If the replys dont suit your idea of what is going wrong dont bother posting in the first place.

[flims]

would it be right to say that this might be a case where grouping sub 1" might not neccessarily mean sub 2"(1moa) at 200yards. how small are the 100 yard groups? if its 0.8MOA is one thing and 0.2's at 100 is another thing.
Baz might add some of his opinion on this.

[Jonty H]

would it be right to say that this might be a case where grouping sub 1" might not neccessarily mean sub 2"(1moa) at 200yards. how small are the 100 yard groups? if its 0.8MOA is one thing and 0.2's at 100 is another thing.
Baz might add some of his opinion on this.

Hi flims,
the 100 yd groups are about 3/4" with the 36grn bullets,

However today i loaded the 55grn bullets over 19.3grns of H4198 and the 100 yd group was 1/4" and the 200yd group was 1".

I know i am pushing the max load but i have never accomplished grouping like that, thank you all (especialy Bobb ;)) for all your help and advice :D

[coldweld]

Nice to see you have calmed down a little .

[bobb d]

Glad it has worked out

ATB Bob

[jamie g]

Hi flims,
the 100 yd groups are about 3/4" with the 36grn bullets,

However today i loaded the 55grn bullets over 19.3grns of H4198 and the 100 yd group was 1/4" and the 200yd group was 1".

I know i am pushing the max load but i have never accomplished grouping like that, thank you all (especialy Bobb ;)) for all your help and advice :D

nice grouping mate. are you sticking to that now and see how you get on ;)

[Jonty H]

nice grouping mate. are you sticking to that now and see how you get on ;)

Jamie, with grouping like that i`m changing nothing , we will see how the Foxes like it in August :D

[richness]

blimey bodd d !
you causing trouble again by trying to be helpful ?
damn it man, use more sarcasm and impatience!

[bobb d]

blimey bodd d !
you causing trouble again by trying to be helpful ?
damn it man, use more sarcasm and impatience!

Who me:D

ATB Bob

[Hares Ear]

Jonty.
There are so many variables in reloading, nothing is set in stone. Rifle barrels vary tremendously. A powder manufacturers maximum load may be shy in one barrel and way over the top in another. You will have to suck it and see. I have a .243 load which works in my rifle, that is over the powder manufacturers maximum. I have no signs of any pressure what so ever.

One thing I have found is that I cannot make one powder push a variety of bullet weights in a single calibre satisfactorily. I need to use a fast burning powder for light slugs, and a slower powder for heavy slugs.

Others will contradict this, and say that they use one powder in four different calibres, and twenty different slugs.

Give Bobd a P.M. and ask him for some .222 recipes, and use them as a starting point. I've seen his .222 in action. I'm still trying to emulate it.