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guybinks
20-10-2008, 10:43 PM
I purchased a Daystate Huntsman Classic .22 from BAR (5yr warranty) and after about four weeks wait on delivery and then three weeks wait for me being able to pick it up, I finally managed to take ownership of the rifle on 15/10/2008.

I've had a couple of air rifles before (BSA Supersport and Gunpower Stealth), and I have the AA TX200HC and the AA S400C currently, and I'm a bit of a perfectionist...

I already knew that Daystate couldn't relocate the fore end stud, as there isn't enough meat on the stock (to allow a bipod to be fitted)

First impressions:

On closely examining the rifle, it was mint - and I do mean mint, and the stock graining is simply excellent.

Bless Mike at BAR, I was like a dog with two d**ks, if he'd thrown me a bone, I'd have fetched it I was that excited!

On getting home, I was impressed by the owners book - it wasn't a slip of paper, but a glossy book with a CD attached to the back cover. The rifle was in a plastic sleeve, as was the charging adaptor.

I was really impressed with the overall finish of the rifle, from the chequering, to the good application of gun grease, to the attention in that the QD studs were square in the stock.

I would have preferred to see hex bolts for the trigger guard - but that's personal preference.


Scope fitting and first charge:

I fitted a Hawke AirMax 4-12x44 with some decent quality scope rings, and I was very impressed with the the scope rail, and its depth and finish - the mounts fitted nice and neatly, something that I can't say is quite as good for the Air Arms S400C I have.

With the scope duly fitted, I connected the charging adaptor to the hose off the divers bottle. Whipping off the charging port dust cover, and slotting on the charging adaptor to the rifle is a doddle - its a little close to the barrel shroud, so I'll have to take care not to scratch the underside of the shroud.

I topped upto 200Bar from the divers bottle and went on the range for a zero.


Multishot Magazine and Zeroing:

I'd thumbed through the manual already, so I knew how to load the adaptor - but not how it worked - I soon realised it was like a coil spring type affair and it was quite easy to load.

I must say here that I've never used a multishot before.

Once or twice I seemed to lose a pellet, and on closer inspection I was putting 11 pellets in (number 10 went in, and then 11 forced 10 out!) doh - it was by this time dark - I had the 500W lamp on the range so I could see the targets.

However, I thought, if I can load the magazine in the dark, well its a piece of the proverbial.

The trigger is crisp, and you know when you've got the safety on - as its solid, and just where you want it - at the end of your thumb.

Seated - I put a shot down the range, and noted where it landed - about 3 inches low and 2 to the right.

I put another shot down - 'mare, I missed the target! I went down the range to look at the target, and in fact I had nibbled the first hole - and more or less gone through the first! :eek:

After about 10 shots, I was putting pellet on pellet - to say I was stunned is an understatement. :eek: :eek:

After about 2 magazines worth of pellets, I started to experience some problems loading - to cut a long story short, I wasn't pulling the bolt far enough back to cock the rifle.

I found the magazine a bit fiddly to load at first, and got a little frustrated.

However, after a couple more magazines I started to get used to the action.


Bedding in:

I've put about 400 pellets through it in about 5 days, I am now used to the action and the noise it makes when its cocked and loaded a pellet, and the all important different sound it makes when its fired shot 10 - you can just tell there is no pellet being loaded. And the red spot on teh mag is a dead giveaway!

The rifle is perfectly balanced, and its a joy to shoot, especially as it's light and responsive and its reasonably quiet.

I've oiled the stock with some boiled linseed oil, and its taken very well and looks very nice.

I took the rifle to the club on Sunday and made sure it was spot on at 20yards - I shot some competition cards with it - these cards were better than with my TX and the S400.

I've put a sling on it, and i put the rifle on the shoulder whilst reloading the magazine - unless I am at the club, and its then rested on the bench pointed down the range.


Shot Count:

It's early days, but I noticed the power curve on Sunday, but it was around the suggested 80 or so shots - but it was not nearly as pronounced as the S400.


Accuracy:

There's not a lot to say on accuracy, other than its simply stunningly accurate


Pellets:

So far I've only used Air Arms field .22 5.51 - and given the results, I don't see an awful lot of reason to change.


Field Test:

I'll be taking it into the field sometime soon, more than likely lamping - so I'll post an update in due course.


Hope that helps anyone out there - this is a very nice, very light rifle, and I'm glad I bought this over the HW100.


Pictures:

Bear with me and I will post some up soon



Regrets?

My only regret is that I never bought a Daystate before now! :rolleyes:

brian747
20-10-2008, 11:34 PM
hi, Guy, thanks for an interesting review, it sounds like you have a minter
there, hope you enjoy it and bunnies beware.
regds brian:):)

sniper22
21-10-2008, 06:33 AM
im itching to get my new midas, the wait has killed me. as its very short run of guns i think the production of the midas's (midii?) has been put back while other guns are made or so it seems. great write up on the huntsman. im amazed that gun is so light. ideal for lamping or hunts where a heavier gun would just bog me down.

ora8i
21-10-2008, 12:26 PM
Hi Tony.

Is the Huntsman the one with the balistic hammer? Maybe not, I thought the hammer was supposed to give a lot more shots.


Regards Ora

sniper22
21-10-2008, 01:39 PM
hiya al. yes the huntsman classic has the slingshot hammer fitted from early on in its production. you can tell if it has got the device by looking for the words "harper patent" on the side of the breech block.

mikemorton
22-10-2008, 04:34 PM
Good review - and I'm really pleased you're so happy with the rifle. :)

But please tell us your air reservoir is black, not poo brown!

Why would any company knowingly make a component that colour. :rolleyes:

barrel
22-10-2008, 04:59 PM
Glad to hear it was worth the wait it does sound like a bit of a beauty. Do me a favour though dont try any stippling with the multi tool just yet. looking forward to seeing the pictures when you get them up.


Regards,


Barrel.

relivingmyyouth
22-10-2008, 09:13 PM
Nice revue Guy. I have just bought an S510SL over one of these.( Simply because I could not get to see one) Sounds like you have a great rifle. Hope I don't regret not buying one.

ATB

guybinks
22-10-2008, 10:47 PM
Good review - and I'm really pleased you're so happy with the rifle. :)

But please tell us your air reservoir is black, not poo brown!

Why would any company knowingly make a component that colour. :rolleyes:

:)

Its black - the brown one looked, well just poo! :D

Parabuteo
30-10-2008, 08:25 AM
Pity the open sighted version of the new Huntsman classic is not avialable yet, even though Mr Brelas stated on here that they were in the shops last month.:rolleyes: Quite fancy on of those.:cool:

Just ordered one in the professional calibre :p with open sights. Seems I will have to wait till end of nov.

Not a huge problem as I am mostly hawking at the moment anyway.

I fancied something different. I have always fancied a daystate, but did not fancy lugging a PC round with me (or anything with a fire extinguisher on the front).

My back is a but U/S so I find standing shooting difficult, and wanted a lighter rifle for stalking, so with open sights, and seethrough mounts, allied with a Nikon Bushmaster scope, this should be ideal.

It is a simple 30/30 scope, but ideal for stalking.

Damn good job there is some space in the cabinet:rolleyes:

Enthusiast
30-10-2008, 02:08 PM
Do the newer Daystates with the slingshot valves go "kerchunk" like the older X2s did or have they cured this? Just asking:D

Regards

Richard

el maipino
30-10-2008, 03:49 PM
Saw and held the gold chamber version of this at the weekend. The "Midas" is it?.

It is a lovely looking gun, light and the barrel looks great.

Quite a few club members who had said it looked ugly thought differently holding it in the flesh.

Looking to get one, but with open sights.

guybinks
03-11-2008, 12:14 AM
Just thought I'd post an update.

The accuracy is amazing on this gun, I thought AA Fields were excellent groupings, but I tried some RWS SuperPoint Extras today at the club, and they were tighter groups!

I'll try out some RWS SuperFields and maybe some Air Arms Hunter (as I've some kickin about).

I've got the hang of the magazine now, and can release, reload, and refit it.

All in all, its a lovely gun, and definately a keeper.

sniper22
03-11-2008, 09:07 AM
heres my midas now fitted with a brass trigger guard and brass painted butt pad and stock bolt bobbin.
ive also refinished the stock, bit more oil needed yet.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490816.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490813.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490811.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490807.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490805.jpg

sniper22
03-11-2008, 05:51 PM
Do the newer Daystates with the slingshot valves go "kerchunk" like the older X2s did or have they cured this? Just asking:D

Regards

Richard

the sound is different as is the firing cycle. the slingshot system has a stroke of around 5mm. the spring is a heavier spring than the older daystates and the hammer is made from delrin or similar.
theres a bit of tuning to be done if you have the urge to smooth the cocking cycle a lot easier. if anyone wants the guide to strip and tune the slingshot unit, please pm me.

guybinks
04-11-2008, 12:20 AM
heres my midas now fitted with a brass trigger guard and brass painted butt pad and stock bolt bobbin.
ive also refinished the stock, bit more oil needed yet.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490816.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490813.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490811.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490807.jpg
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341490805.jpg

oooow, that looks well nice.

Lovely bit of wood too, lovely flaring (i think its called).

Does it have the brass air cylinder? I can't see it in the picture, but mainly due to the angle of the photies I think.

ooi, whats make is the silencer? as I have one I could fit, but I guess I need the adaptor - is it a standard 1/2" UNF female on the barrel? As I have a 1/2" UNF male/male adaptor.

sniper22
04-11-2008, 02:00 PM
the silencer is a logun qgs. yes its fitted with the brass plated cylinder. ive also painted the barrel shroud in the brass metallic spray. pics to follow.

sniper22
05-11-2008, 04:51 PM
shroud now attracting magpies :)
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/341834855.jpg

sniper22
10-11-2008, 01:54 AM
the brass effect wasnt a good idea due to the fact that the finish was very easy to scratch and showed the primer underneath. i tried to laquer but the effect wasnt so good, it looked nothing like brass.
i decided to crackle finish it and in the field its shoots as well as it looks. around 80 shots a fill and set at 11.6ft/lb on daystate rangemasters in .22 flavour. i dont know about the .177 versions being wind dependant but the .22 rounds have taken 3 squirrels up to now. the guns light and when used with my versa pod, accurate enough to snipe with.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/342466635.jpg

sh*tshot
10-11-2008, 08:04 AM
after the pro-sport these have to be the best lookin air rifles. never thouhgt a pcp could look so nice! ill keep dreamin though.:D

sniper22
10-11-2008, 09:14 AM
a limited run of no more than 400 of these rifles will be sold world wide and each one comes with a certificate to prove its one of the limited number made.
mines number 22 in .22 and belongs to sniper22 :)

Mario_v
10-11-2008, 05:29 PM
a limited run of no more than 400 of these rifles will be sold world wide and each one comes with a certificate to prove its one of the limited number made.
mines number 22 in .22 and belongs to sniper22 :)

very nice gun! can i be cheeky and ask where you got the brass trigger guard and how you managed to get the 'crackled' effect on the barrel? i have been looking everywhere for a brass trigger guard for one of these and no-1 seems to have them, thanks again, mario

sniper22
10-11-2008, 11:56 PM
blackpool air rifles for the guard and plastikote for the paint.

guybinks
14-11-2008, 12:16 AM
the brass effect wasnt a good idea due to the fact that the finish was very easy to scratch and showed the primer underneath. i tried to laquer but the effect wasnt so good, it looked nothing like brass.
i decided to crackle finish it and in the field its shoots as well as it looks. around 80 shots a fill and set at 11.6ft/lb on daystate rangemasters in .22 flavour. i dont know about the .177 versions being wind dependant but the .22 rounds have taken 3 squirrels up to now. the guns light and when used with my versa pod, accurate enough to snipe with.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL902/3362118/19353711/342466635.jpg

i must say i am not a great fan of bling, however that said, i think that you've made an excellent job of the crackle effect, and it does look the dogs balearics. Most impressive.

quality!

:D

Scott.22
30-11-2008, 05:15 PM
Hi all. just like to say what a great review of the huntsman. i was uming and aring between the S410 and huntsman but now i know which one i am gunning for. (no punn intended). Was wondering if you could give me some advice on a decent scope, i was looking to spend between £100-£200. i have been looking at nikko-stirling, especially the platinum nighteater 6-24x56, i was thinking it might be abit overkill for a .22. any thoughts and recommendations will be welcomed.

Thanks
Scott

simonice
08-12-2008, 11:29 AM
I have just bought one of these, but not been able to use it yet :( good to read good reviews for it tho. Think its going to be much better than my S400c.

guybinks
18-02-2009, 09:10 PM
Just thought I'd post a little update.

I've shot a winter league target comp at 20yards with the Huntsman, and I believe I've come top of the league (admittedly it was one of the lower leagues, possibly even the lowest, as its my first comp) :rolleyes:

However, the Huntsman is very much a reliable rifle, and mine seems to like the RWS brand of pellets, thus far (all in .22):

Superdomes (very consistent)
Superfield (as consistent as the 'domes)
Superpoint Extra (consistent at 20yards, but suffered a bit of drift at 50yards)
Super H Point (consistent at 20yards, but suffered a bit more drift at 50yards than the 'points)

ranges tried thus far are 20 and 50 yards (the ranges at the range I shoot on)

Air Arms Field
Air Arms Hunter

Both very consistent, as good as the RWS, but more expensive

Tried some H&N H Points, but they were short and very difficult to get into the mag, in fact I gave up trying

HTH

Nemesis
01-03-2009, 04:44 PM
I picked up a .22 Midas last week but have been unable to zero it, as the barrel seems to be pointing well low and to the left. With a laser bore-sighter fitted and about a dozen scopes to choose from, not one of them could be brought into line with the bore. I've loosened off the grubscrews securing the barrel band and have now sorted the windage problem (completely off an A4 sheet at 7 metres!) but the band prevents the barrel elevating any more. The amount of elevation error would necessitate wedges being driven in rather than scope mount shims! I've emailed Daystate and hope to get a response next week. Has anyone else had this experience and how did you overcome it, short of sawing off the barrel clamp?

RMK305
03-03-2010, 08:19 PM
Nemesis,

Did you get your problem resolved?

Nemesis
03-03-2010, 08:30 PM
RMK305,

Not really. I did eventually receive an email from Daystate but couldn't make much sense of it. Strangely enough, I found that the rifle could be zeroed OK with a 6x42 fixed mag Hawke. Recently, I've installed a Leupold Mk4 Tactical and my laser bore sighter suggests that this combo will also do the trick. I'll find out for sure on Sunday at the club. The rifle seems to have barrel droop par excellence but I'm not keen on shimming out mounts.

D.

Peadar_911
03-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Hi Nemesis

I had a similar problem with an X2 and found the transfer port was too long, preventing the breech block from sitting square. It was rectified easily by using fine wet & dry to take a little off each end of the transfer port. Unfortunately you probably can't check this as you will have AT fitted to the Huntsman.


Peter

theratfisherman
04-03-2010, 05:44 PM
im itching to get my new midas, the wait has killed me. as its very short run of guns i think the production of the midas's (midii?) has been put back while other guns are made or so it seems. great write up on the huntsman. im amazed that gun is so light. ideal for lamping or hunts where a heavier gun would just bog me down.hello sniper i was that impressed i bought two one for my son too i bought comlete outfits with swift silencers ags sapphire mil dots a tin of accupells each and a bag each 700 pounds each setup from go dive /go shoot derby he had three left isf interested chaps ,gun only 599

gumdrop
20-03-2010, 04:36 PM
I picked up a .22 Midas last week but have been unable to zero it, as the barrel seems to be pointing well low and to the left. With a laser bore-sighter fitted and about a dozen scopes to choose from, not one of them could be brought into line with the bore. I've loosened off the grubscrews securing the barrel band and have now sorted the windage problem (completely off an A4 sheet at 7 metres!) but the band prevents the barrel elevating any more. The amount of elevation error would necessitate wedges being driven in rather than scope mount shims! I've emailed Daystate and hope to get a response next week. Has anyone else had this experience and how did you overcome it, short of sawing off the barrel clamp?

I had a similar problem and had to shim the rear scope mount (initially) with strips of 35mm film to lift the back of the scope up.
You must be extremely careful not to crush or dent the tube, when I knew how much and where the packing was needed I used epoxy putty to make a more permanent set up. Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs:)

Nemesis
20-03-2010, 05:43 PM
Hi Gumdrop,

I'd been trying to avoid shimming the rear mount, as I'd initially fitted a rather nice scope/mount combo that placed the objective bell about as close to the barrel sleeve as it could possibly go. Even a small amount of shimming would have brought them into contact. The Leupold Tactical is now on an MFR and the Midas back in a cupboard for now. I wasn't planning on using it much but it helps if it shoots straight! Looks like I've had it for a year already - how time flies. The 6x42 Hawke is going back on a .25 Daystate Mirage.

D.