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Guzzidom
16-03-2009, 03:19 PM
Well, we've had this for a couple of weeks now so I've formed a better opinion of this budget springer.
Initial chronograph showed a variable 11.3 ft/lbs, accuracy was about 60mm at 20 yards from a rest, very stiff to break the barrel and a cacophany of groans when going through the cocking stroke.

The trigger was the first thing to attend to as it had a pull weight of approx 7 lbs, having stripped the stock off, the immediate trigger problem was that all the retaining pins were at a slight angle, this had the effect of pressing all the sear parts against the side of the folded steel shroud which in effect gave all the moving parts a seperate bearing face. Emptying the shroud of all it's assembled parts a quick squash in the vise got all holes lined up. the next step was to polish the face of the lower sear and reassemble with some decent machine oil.

At the QC stage the Turkish feller should have plopped the misaligned trigger case in the reject bin rather than plodding on regardless!.

At the moment it's not quite passing my "bunny buster" test (25 yards, through both sides of a full Vittel water bottle with the lid on...pass....pellet on the double "T"s...fail)

Straight away the trigger was more consistent with a pull weight of about 4.5 lbs, more could be done here by removing the bottom sear and taking a touch off the face, I can see no reason why 2-3 lbs isn't acheivable.

The gun ships with a dry spring, a good old spring greasing with black open gear/chainspray gets rid of a whole lot of moaning whilst cocking, and a delicate oiling of all pivots with a light machine oil or gun oil helps matters no end..

Having re assembled I can now get 25mm groups (after about 250 pellets) at 20m and the gun feels as if it's settling in. Cocking, in particular is starting to get a bit easier.
Chronograph at this point is giving about 10.7 ft/lbs with AA pellets and about 10.9 with RWS hobbies which are a bit of a squeeze in the breech.
I'm going to give it another 1000 pellets and then move on to phase 2 which is to get it to 11.5-11.7 ft/lbs (runs at 15 ft/lbs abroad) and tame the recoil by milling down the (FAC spec) piston to the tune of 8g or so and giving the tube a good mirror polish internally, with maybe a spacer or so behind the spring.
Watch this space!
If I can get 11.5 ft/lbs and a 20mm five shot group at 25 yards for no extra cost whatsoever then this gun will get a major thumbs up.

If buying this gun as a junior or starter rifle beware!, it's a physically big gun and the recoil and heavy trigger means my son can't put a pellet on a target at 20 metres, not even on the paper, despite doing a 10mm group with a Daystate minutes earlier!, the combination of the forwards recoil from the heavy piston and the aim pull off caused by the heavy trigger means his 95 pound frame just can't get any semblance of precision. The reach to the trigger is also quite long with quite a large grip and forend.

Bit of a blunderbus really, but the overall quality of the major components seem good (trigger notwithstanding), the stock is a nice piece of walnut (there's enough of it to do a bit of subtle reshaping) and overall a good bit better than similarly priced far eastern offerings.

baz
17-03-2009, 06:52 PM
Keep at it I have had them shooting sweetly, especially in .22;)

ogilkes
17-03-2009, 08:12 PM
When stripping down are there any complications with, for e.g. the safety? Got to take one apart for a lube, but not too sure what to expect.

Guzzidom
17-03-2009, 10:54 PM
Not too difficult, you do need a piece of 6mm bar about 11mm long so you can assemble the trigger as a unit before fitting it back to the action, then use the longer retaining cross pin/dowel to drift out your home made pin.
The rest of it is pretty conventional, take a photo of how the anti bear/safety catch fits into the action and onto the side of the trigger casing, it's simplicity itself..unless you can't remember how it went lol.

You may want to look at this and download the images.


http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=2138

It's an earlier 60 but it gives you the gist.




This also gives you some ideas for the trigger

http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=1828

It's a different hatsan but the sear parts are the same and the principle is identical.
My bad, it's a 100 u/lever but the trigger is similar

I haven't "gone in" yet, but I intend to and I'll post up some nice photy's when I do. If all you want to do is grease the spring get some spray grease with a tube and you can do that without stripping, go to a motorcycle shop, there's a whole range of very high quality "anti fling" spray greases (for sports motorcycle chains), choose a mineral or synthetic but avoid the wax based one's

Guzzidom
17-03-2009, 11:02 PM
Keep at it I have had them shooting sweetly, especially in .22;)

Any tips then?

ogilkes
17-03-2009, 11:31 PM
This is really useful. I'll have to go carefully as Hatsans are unknown territory, but I do rather like mine. Thanks for the offer of posting pics, I'll do the same to help all those who want to try a bit of servicing.

I want to do this partly because I would like to do a real lube and polish but also curiosity as to how its put together.

Guzzidom
20-03-2009, 11:19 PM
Follow this link for my pictorial guide to improving the trigger action.

http://picasaweb.google.com/DomRivers67/HATSAN5560TRIGGERMOD?authkey=Gv1sRgCKLRyIyl3eeZYw#

Hope y'all like it.

mrikirkby
20-03-2009, 11:58 PM
Defo let us know how things progress as i have one of these and like it very much. I would love to shorten the barrel on mine but not sure if would affect accuracy or power ? Any ideas.

mrikirkby
22-03-2009, 09:48 PM
@ Baz what tips do you have for making these guns shoot a bit smoother ?

Guzzidom
01-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Well I had a play on the clubs Chrono tonight with three different pellets, my boys Edgar Bros/Hatsan 60s is standard apart from a bit of trigger work (more needed) and some grease on the spring, so far it has had 900 pellets through it.

RWS Hobby....9.4 ft/lbs
Eley Wasps 5.5mm (well Bisley actually)..9.7 ft/lbs
AA Field 5.5mm 11.2 ft/lbs

Both the Hobbies and the Wasps are quite a tight fit in the breech, the wasps are particularly crap and very inconsistent. The AA's load nicely and give the best groups and the gun obviously loves them releasing something in the order of 15% extra muzzle energy!

acholmes2000
03-04-2009, 01:05 PM
The slightly lighter Bisley LRG work well too!

Guzzidom
03-04-2009, 01:49 PM
The slightly lighter Bisley LRG work well too!

What sort of ft/lbs?

fat man
03-04-2009, 07:58 PM
Makes you realise there are some bloddy good stuff out there for resonable money, seen one of these new for £75.00. Now lets be fair thats a lot of gun for the money, damn size cheaper than the badged Webleys aint it !;)

ogilkes
03-04-2009, 08:58 PM
Makes you realise there are some bloddy good stuff out there for resonable money, seen one of these new for £75.00. Now lets be fair thats a lot of gun for the money, damn size cheaper than the badged Webleys aint it !;)


Sure is, especially as the Webley badged version (Blackhawk) which has, imo, an inferior syntheic stock, retails at around £200!

fat man
04-04-2009, 06:40 AM
So buy the Edgar version, and save a fair few £ ,s !;)

ogilkes
04-04-2009, 09:46 AM
Interestingly I've now had a chance to look at a few other Hatsan/Edgars. While the shoot ok the finish imo is not quite the same as the Webleyised rifles, and the safety is far less elegant. A Webely legacy then?

severnsider
15-04-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm pleased that some of you are enjoying Hatsan! My Mod. 105 chronos at only 8.5 ft lbs with .22 AA Fields, so I have had a look inside and found a very roughly sheared-off mainspring and a load of metal filings where the cocking shoe was rubbing on the (rough) slot in the tube. Have now dressed the end of the spring and it's much smoother. I'll also smooth off the slot for the cocking shoe and do a little trigger work as suggested in this thread. Despite all this, it does group very well. I just need to get the power up, and have written to Edgars to ask for a new spring and seal. Just very disappointing that it was so poorly put together/inspected by the Turks.