65yds first time [Archive]

eeskidmark

11-04-2009, 04:19 PM

hi, this is my first time at properly shooting long range targets, well i say long range but not really compared to the ranges some of you lot shoot, although i was using a sub 12ft/lb airarms s400 .177.

it was sunny afternoon today and couldnt resist having a go instead of revising and essay writing :mad:, who said easter holiday:mad:.

anyway had a bit of fun shooting these targets :rolleyes: and then range finding them, there was little wind but what there was of it was swirlling, here are the photos what do you think?

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu344/eeskidmark/65ydsgrouping.jpg

jayt

11-04-2009, 05:19 PM

Not to shabby old chap:) i've just got an s4oo will be trying it out at long range pretty soon.

This is my first attempt at 100yds with my rws500 off the bipod with the scope on 40 mag:eek: i think i'll quit whilst i'm ahead:) was indoors tho:D

10 shot string 25mm bull 50mm square

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh135/ja-yt-07/longrange002.jpg

Xristos

11-04-2009, 05:31 PM

Nice shooting from both :) ! Can i ask with what pellets and if they are out of box ?

eeskidmark

11-04-2009, 07:31 PM

Nice shooting from both :) ! Can i ask with what pellets and if they are out of box ?

mine runs on 4.52 jsb exacts i prefer the 4.53 jbs's but they had none in stock as they are more powerfull. 70yards is about its maximum because the holdover gets silly after that.

what do you mean out of the box?

jayt

11-04-2009, 10:56 PM

mine runs on 4.52 jsb exacts i prefer the 4.53 jbs's but they had none in stock as they are more powerfull. 70yards is about its maximum because the holdover gets silly after that.

what do you mean out of the box?

like wise jsb 4.53

not out the box tho, washed weighed and lubed:)

although i still got one flyer:(

eeskidmark

12-04-2009, 06:27 AM

mine were straight out the box then

Xristos

12-04-2009, 08:47 AM

For now i cant find JsB 4.53 but i want to try them for sure. Also in no windy days 7,9gr express works good and i think better when out of box than 8,4gr. My PS loves them. I am waiting from full restoration 0.177 BSA superstar and i have said to my tuner to make it 12 ft/lb to see what i cant do in long range shooting with that kind of power.

Phantom Sniper

12-04-2009, 12:06 PM

here are the photos what do you think?

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu344/eeskidmark/65ydsgrouping.jpg

I think your overcompensating for the windage:eek:

Either that or re-zero your scope!

Heed my advice and you oneday will hit that coin:p:D:D:D:D

Tony

flims

12-04-2009, 12:08 PM

. 70yards is about its maximum because the holdover gets silly after that.

what do you mean out of the box?

you should not holdover mate, you should dial in that way you dont know how silly it really is. if i hold over for some shots i do, i would be almost 5feet over the target! dial in and forget about it

eeskidmark

12-04-2009, 10:06 PM

you should not holdover mate, you should dial in that way you dont know how silly it really is. if i hold over for some shots i do, i would be almost 5feet over the target! dial in and forget about it

i would do that but i dont have a clue how to and i dont think my scope has 'on the go' dialable turrets. (richter optic 3-9x50):eek:

flims

13-04-2009, 12:23 AM

i understand. i looked it up and that scope doesnt seem to fit the bill for this sort of shooting. i consider the falcon menace 10x with MP20 and Mils turrets, the basic, most simple and efficient optic you can have for this shooting. ive ran 2y through some good testing and both held very well and mine spent a fair share of about 4 months constantly exposed to temperature of 30-42degrees celcius. i forgot the rifle in the sun once and it was scorching hot but everything tracked perfectly.

eeskidmark

13-04-2009, 08:22 AM

would this scope be able to handle long range shooting on a rifle as well?

flims

13-04-2009, 11:42 AM

yes, ive tried mine on a 308win and it was alright. on many forums you can find threads were people mount them on mag calibers. if you use more than 14mag you might have to be abit more careful on eye relief but with 308win and the sort youre good to go. i like the 10x model, simple effective and not much to go wrong with it. the 4-14First focal plain is also good.

ive read they have come out with a 5-25 FFP but i haven't seen it on their website yet.

eeskidmark

13-04-2009, 12:34 PM

thanks for your help. you know whenn you dial in your range how did you learn how to do this and when you dial in a range how do you once fired change it back to your origional zero?

flims

14-04-2009, 12:10 AM

mate, theres alot of info online about this but to put it simply, you first establish your primary zero eg 35yards for air rifle. ideally once you remove the turret to rezero it on 'O' you place an oring between the turret and the scope body. this is to block the turret from turning lower than your primary zero.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/20938878/345751066.jpg
from now on its simple enough, you shoot targets in 10 yard increments, dial in the scope till the group you fire rises to your point of Aim. setup something like this, shoot a group, record how low you hit and dial in Upwards till the group is centered on aiming point. in this example is group was about 7" low and if i remember well this was shot around 80m, the group is 3 shots circled in below the white paper at 6 oclock. Near the small white box you can see the group after i dialled in the elevation, it's now almost spot on, forget the wind at this point that comes later. however make sure you have a large enough target till you gather this data.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/231981591.jpg
shoot some Box tests to see if you scope adjustments track true to their advertised setting.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/314960391.jpg

here is a return to zero test, i shoot a group to the left, read the reticle to see how many mils im off Point of aim, dialled that in and send one down range, tracks perfectly.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/315593750.jpg
and here is another box test
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/327651327.jpg
Remember the further out you go, your group will center around the reticle but not exactly on your Point of aim so shoot 3 or 5 shots before you move the turrets. here is a good example, i fired 8shots at 147m to check the elevation was spot on.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/315597365.jpg
ideally you place the aiming mark high up so there is plenty of room for the bullets to land. here is a target from a long range session when i started collecting the dope data of my 0.25cal about 3years ago. this was at about 150m
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/264309996.jpg
At the time this group was shot, in scorching summer heat, +42degrees celcius, i couldnt see the hits with the heavy mirage from hell coming up from the soil. i went down range to check and drew that triangle to see where the center of the group was. i then decided to raise the Point of Impact by about 1 MOA. That was my old scope which tracked in MOA unlike my new one which is a Mil/mil scope. anyways the group after that correction hit a tad high but spot on for elevation, remember this is very long range for an air rifle, but if you work for it, it will amaze you. make sure the scope is dead 90degrees to the bore or else your elevation adjustment will track up and Left or Up and right.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/9130733/264310005.jpg

i hope this helps. if you have more questions i will be happy to help out.

eeskidmark

14-04-2009, 04:00 PM

flims

14-04-2009, 07:24 PM

thanks that was a great help. i think i will have to get a scope which will cope and do some practise sessions thankyou. i supose you can get some scopes with zero locks on them cant you?
one more question .. honest :D
whats the difference between a MOA and a 'click'?
thanks skiddy

the falcon menace 10X fixed with MP20 and Mil turrets sells at a good price.
the ones with what is known as ZERO STOP (zero locks) are usually high end optics which cost alot of money and aimed at the centerfire market. the zero stop is not to be confused with the feature that MTC optics have on their models, its not to lock the turrets but to stop the turret from turning below your zero. its simple enough to make, just an O ring or else a piece of rubber band twisted around the base, or take a piece of thread and wrap it between the zeroed turret and the scope body. 5minutes job

clicks is the sound you hear every time you move the turret. if it is 1/4MOA adjustment turret, it means every 4 clicks, your scope moves the reticle 1" at 100 yards. don't count clicks, Use minutes otherwise you never stop counting. so
1MOA is 4 clicks
2MOA 8clicks
10MOA 40clicks for a 1/4MOA turret.
this photo shows such a turret, those 4 hask marks represent 1/4,1/2,3/4and 1 MOA. in this photo, the user dialed 8.5MOA
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/20938878/342993311.jpg

than there is also the MIL system, this is my favourite one. 1Mil is 10cm at 100m or 4Inches.
usually the turrets are marked in 0.1Mil meaning it takes 10clicks to cover 1 whole mil.
each click is 1cm at 100m.
2cm at 200m etc

As a matter of fact, you dont need to know how much they are worth because of this simple reason shown in the following diagram. this is like the reticle in the Falcon Menace.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com:80/VOL888/4332777/20938878/342994238.jpg
if you shoot 1 shot and it hits on the line where 5 is written, than you just have to turn the turret to number 5 which means 5mils or 50 clicks, again you dont count you just spin it to number 5.
hope this explains it.

eeskidmark

14-04-2009, 08:29 PM

thanks a lot for your help and i understand now.its a good idea to use the rubber band or o - ring but i struggle to see how it works you dont have any pictures of it in 'action' do you? :rolleyes:

flims

14-04-2009, 10:49 PM

i dont have my rifle here with me but i do have another photo. this one used a piece of aluminium instead of a rubber or ring.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/4332777/21773164/361414438.jpg

if there wasnt this piece of aluminium, the turret would turn below the Zero, meaning if you spin the turret 2 revolutions to get to your desired range and then you forget to spin it back down, you would get confused how many turns there are on the turret.

with a zero stop installed, you can turn the turret down till it stops turning and that is your first zero, in my case 35m. once you start playing with your turrets you will see what i mean.

eeskidmark

15-04-2009, 04:16 PM

what happens if when you zero you scope and the top turret has turned so much that a peice of aluminium wont fit ie isnt wide enough would you just fing something that would?

flims

19-04-2009, 02:41 PM

mate if you have that problem it means that you are doing this thing in Vain. if your scope turret is too high, that means there is not much elevation adjustment left in the scope so you wont be able to dial much. ideally your scope should be optically centered meaning if your scope has 50MOA of elevational travel or 14.5Mils then when you sight in your scope at your primary 35yard zero, you should have half of these values left in the scope. i usually prefer to have about 3/5 elevation adjustment left so that i can shoot further.

in the case that you have used alot of the elevational travel in your scope to set your initial 35yard zero, then i suggest you remount the scope and insert some shims so you get some external elevation into the scope. this can be done by placing 1 or 2 films of negative film between the scope body and the mounts of the scope on the rear mount meaning that one closest to your eye. dont over torque.

bolted

19-04-2009, 10:36 PM