The Worlds course

[Kingplinker]

Hi all

Firstly I wasn't at the comp sadly but I know a lot of you went and thoroughly enjoyed yourselves .... you lucky buggers :D

Anyway just wondered what you thought of the course , was it easy - difficult - same as one of your home club comps ? Just out of interest really .

atvb

Dave

POLL ON THE WAY :D

[scutter]

The thing to remember about Kelmarsh is it is not an HFT club so the course setters did not have a lot to work with.

The two separate courses also had to cater for the top end shooter as well as the average club shooter and as such a fantastic job was done.

If you look at the scores there was only 1 60 on each and that was the World Champion.

[Gareth W-B]

Now that we have the shiny new chat room sub-section in the events bit, am starting to move competition orientated threads from the general section to said sub-section where such threads will find ready receptive cyber ears :).

This is because as most BBSers aren't into HFT or FT, a lot of people are complaining about competition orientated threads being in the general section, so hope you all agree this is for the best (and am sure you’ll let me know if you don’t :rolleyes:). Ha ha. Atb: G.

[Kingplinker]

Now that we have the shiny new chat room sub-section in the events bit, am starting to move competition orientated threads from the general section to said sub-section where such threads will find ready receptive cyber ears :).

This is because as most BBSers aren't into HFT or FT, a lot of people are complaining about competition orientated threads being in the general section, so hope you all agree this is for the best (and am sure you’ll let me know if you don’t :rolleyes:). Ha ha. Atb: G.

Right I'm gonna post a new poll : How many of you shoot HFT ? :D:D:D Very good answer Gary me 'ole china !

[Gareth W-B]

Right I'm gonna post a new poll : How many of you shoot HFT ? :D:D:D Very good answer Gary me 'ole china !
That is a good idea, and as a thread, will sit nicely in the general section too (post a link to it here as well though Dave, so you can make sure you get all the converted to tick the right box as well ;)). Atb: G.

[bozzer]

I thought the courses were excellent.

Not many easy ones on either course but that's how it should be.

As has been mentioned above only one shooter cleared either course ... and with respect ... that was in fairly calm conditions. A windy day may have seen generally lower scores.

I like it like that. I don't like to see courses where several people clear them.

The only slight criticism I would make is regarding the labelling of 'pegs' on non standard 'peg' lanes. On the wood's course there were a couple of targets that caused confusion.

There was a target where the standard peg that stuck a foot out of the ground was about 3 feet to the right of a tall post. This was on a stander. Me and my partner thought that you had to touch the small peg which was the same as all the other lanes. This meant leaning across very uncomfortably to try and rest on the tall post. Similarly there was a lane with two stacked hay bails. Again the wooden peg was at the side. This was a kneeler. Again we shot it uncomfortably and touched the wooden post.

On the second day I noticed that the small post had been removed from the stander lane and people were just resting comfortably on the tall post.

In the pics I see that most people just leaned on the bails and didn't bother with the post which is probably how it was meant to be.

On these such lanes it may be wise to NOT have a small wooden 'peg' and just have a paper peg number attached to the object that can be used for support ( like the tall post and the bails ).

Great courses though.

Well done everyone concerned.

Boz

[bozzer]

Now that we have the shiny new chat room sub-section in the events bit, am starting to move competition orientated threads from the general section to said sub-section where such threads will find ready receptive cyber ears :).

This is because as most BBSers aren't into HFT or FT, a lot of people are complaining about competition orientated threads being in the general section, so hope you all agree this is for the best (and am sure you’ll let me know if you don’t :rolleyes:). Ha ha. Atb: G.

Sorry Gareth .. don't agree. Most people do their chatting/discussing in the main section. Something as big as the World's HFT deserves as much space on the main section as people want to give it. A lot of people may not even look at the other section and will miss threads.

HFT is a vast part of this site and by the same rules you may as well say we are going to have a different section for people who want to discuss a problem with their CO2 gun because most people on here don't shoot CO2. Same with all other minority threads.

Up to the Mods as always though. Just my opinion.

Cheers

Boz

[rogb]

I thought the courses were excellent.

Not many easy ones on either course but that's how it should be.

As has been mentioned above only one shooter cleared either course ... and with respect ... that was in fairly calm conditions. A windy day may have seen generally lower scores.

I like it like that. I don't like to see courses where several people clear them.

The only slight criticism I would make is regarding the labelling of 'pegs' on non standard 'peg' lanes. On the wood's course there were a couple of targets that caused confusion.

There was a target where the standard peg that stuck a foot out of the ground was about 3 feet to the right of a tall post. This was on a stander. Me and my partner thought that you had to touch the small peg which was the same as all the other lanes. This meant leaning across very uncomfortably to try and rest on the tall post. Similarly there was a lane with two stacked hay bails. Again the wooden peg was at the side. This was a kneeler. Again we shot it uncomfortably and touched the wooden post.

On the second day I noticed that the small post had been removed from the stander lane and people were just resting comfortably on the tall post.

In the pics I see that most people just leaned on the bails and didn't bother with the post which is probably how it was meant to be.

On these such lanes it may be wise to NOT have a small wooden 'peg' and just have a paper peg number attached to the object that can be used for support ( like the tall post and the bails ).

Great courses though.

Well done everyone concerned.

Boz

Boz the UKAHFT rule is that on objects on supported shots such as trees or bales etc, the object is the peg, you don't have to stretch out and touch something else. This caused confusion in the past and was unfair to juniors, wee people, very big people and the left-handers. The number should be on the object but sometimes this isn't practical, so if there's a bale, the whole bale is the peg:)
Rog

[Mog]

What, at first sight appeared easy, turned out to be two hard courses. This must be true, or there would have been more 59 & 60 scores. Most competitions are held at clubs where many people have shot before and have some idea of the limits of the course and may remember reference points etc, Kelmarsh was new to everyone, I found 'The Lake' especially difficult to range, thought 'The Woods' easier, but scored the same (low score) on both. :o:(

[Gold]

I find it hard to answer this question because i thought the course was easy, however, if it was easy, how come i didn't clear it and only the world champion did :confused:
Atb
Cliff

[bozzer]

Boz the UKAHFT rule is that on objects on supported shots such as trees or bales etc, the object is the peg, you don't have to stretch out and touch something else. This caused confusion in the past and was unfair to juniors, wee people, very big people and the left-handers. The number should be on the object but sometimes this isn't practical, so if there's a bale, the whole bale is the peg:)
Rog

Thanks for that fella

1stly ... I knew I'd spell 'bale' wrongly ... too strong a cricket background LOL

It must have confused more than myself though. My partner was a very experienced HFT shooter and he thought that we had to touch the peg and that peg on that stander had been removed on Monday afternoon.

Not a moan ... the weekend was fantastic and I have nothing but thanks for all the people who put the effort in.

Boz

[Gold]

Sorry Gareth .. don't agree. Most people do their chatting/discussing in the main section. Something as big as the World's HFT deserves as much space on the main section as people want to give it. A lot of people may not even look at the other section and will miss threads.

HFT is a vast part of this site and by the same rules you may as well say we are going to have a different section for people who want to discuss a problem with their CO2 gun because most people on here don't shoot CO2. Same with all other minority threads.

Up to the Mods as always though. Just my opinion.

Cheers

Boz

I have to agree with boz, i would say the vast majority of 'regular' posters do hft or were probably at Kelmarsh, we are experiencing 'Worlds fever' at the moment but like any other subject it will slow down.
Hft is booming at the moment and by pushing threads in a dark corner, which is where i consider this section to be, will just start to kill the boom, a poor decision IMO but as always the decision has to be accepted and respected,
Atb
Cliff
V V V V V V V V V V V ;)

[rogb]

I have to agree with boz, i would say the vast majority of 'regular' posters do hft or were probably at Kelmarsh, we are experiencing 'Worlds fever' at the moment but like any other subject it will slow down.
Hft is booming at the moment and by pushing threads in a dark corner, which is where i consider this section to be, will just start to kill the boom, a poor decision IMO but as always the decision has to be accepted and respected,
Atb
Cliff
V V V V V V V V V V V ;)

Got to say I'm with Cliff and Boz on this one as well:), bearing in mind the part I have bolded up.

[rogb]

It was good to meet up with you and Mog, but I'm glad I didn't take your advice and visit the dogging layby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6TvmccjSI) near Kelmarsh:eek::rolleyes::o.

Sadly Mat and me didn't make the Steyr team, me by just 1 point and Mat by.. a few:o.
Roll on next year:)

[Mog]

It was good to meet up with you and Mog, but I'm glad I didn't take your advice and visit the dogging layby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6TvmccjSI) near Kelmarsh:eek::rolleyes::o.

Sadly Mat and me didn't make the Steyr team, me by just 1 point and Mat by.. a few:o.
Roll on next year:)

Nice to meet you again Rog, hope you get on well with the Stairod :D

[Gareth W-B]

I have to agree with boz, i would say the vast majority of 'regular' posters do hft or were probably at Kelmarsh

Hi Cliff, I know it may feel like that to you as you are completely absorbed by HFT, which I fully understand, but you are quite wrong I am afraid (unless you were referring to posters in this section only, as then you would be spot on).

For the record, the collectors section gets more hits than anything HFT related, as indeed does the FAC section. I will address all the above comments for you this evening however, as am off line in a moment until gone 8pm.

Despite what some of you may think though, mods are here to help. Lets now let this thread return to Dave's (Kingplinker's) original topic of how hard the worlds course was then, and speak later :). Atb: G.

[Mog]

I have to agree with boz, i would say the vast majority of 'regular' posters do hft or were probably at Kelmarsh, we are experiencing 'Worlds fever' at the moment but like any other subject it will slow down.
Hft is booming at the moment and by pushing threads in a dark corner, which is where i consider this section to be, will just start to kill the boom, a poor decision IMO but as always the decision has to be accepted and respected,
Atb
Cliff
V V V V V V V V V V V ;)

Got to say I'm with Cliff and Boz on this one as well:), bearing in mind the part I have bolded up.

Gareth, nice to see that I'm not alone in the views I expressed in my PM to you. ;)

[never too old]

:DEvery course is hard for me but i can now tell everyone i am 149th in the world:D:D

[Gareth W-B]

Gareth, nice to see that I'm not alone in the views I expressed in my PM to you. ;)
No, but three against the many complaints received -- including six from recognised and respected H-FT shooters I may ad -- don't stack. Please see my post as above. As stated, I will return to this later. Atb: G.

[rubberhubby]

The thing to remember about Kelmarsh is it is not an HFT club so the course setters did not have a lot to work with.

The two separate courses also had to cater for the top end shooter as well as the average club shooter and as such a fantastic job was done.

If you look at the scores there was only 1 60 on each and that was the World Champion.


Could not agree more.

I shot around with Dave Ramshead (sorry if I have spelt your name wrong Dave) on the Monday and he was saying there were quite a few thing they were not allowed to do ie: targets could not be put infront of trees etc.
But I thought both courses were challenging enough to test the top boys and give us mere mortals a good run for our money.

I was more than pleased with my score and was chuffed to bits that I equalled Pete Dutton's 113.
Mind you I expect he had a lot on his mind with the organising etc.

Anyway a big thank you to everyone involved in the organising and to the competitors for making the weekend an enjoyable one after all that's why we do it.

[never too old]

Could not agree more.

I shot around with Dave Ramshead (sorry if I have spelt your name wrong Dave) on the Monday and he was saying there were quite a few thing they were not allowed to do ie: targets could not be put infront of trees etc.
But I thought both courses were challenging enough to test the top boys and give us mere mortals a good run for our money.

I was more than pleased with my score and was chuffed to bits that I equalled Pete Dutton's 113.
Mind you I expect he had a lot on his mind with the organising etc.

Anyway a big thank you to everyone involved in the organising and to the competitors for making the weekend an enjoyable one after all that's why we do it.

:DPete might have done better if he didnt shoot with his sunglasses on:D

[Snooper601]

Gareth, nice to see that I'm not alone in the views I expressed in my PM to you. ;)

Add me to the list too on that subject.

Now to the original question.

I put easy, but that's because I shoot at Shepreth where Mark Andrews seems to take particular pride in setting hard courses and its rare to get recoiling scores to the level I managed at Kelmarsh;)

BTW don't think I'm complaining about Mark's hard coiurses, far from it, I heartily thank Mark Andrews for raising the level of my shooting at Shepreth:cool::)

Cheers

John

[Nobby-SAGC]

I have to say I put the course down as being EASY. Why, well I shoot at Shepreth and Mark.A does set a hard course. I shot a PB on the Sunday and then another PB on the Monday... yeh I could be getting better but I also think it is the practise I get from Shepreth. so why didn't I score a perfect 60 in either round? That's easy, I did not engage the brain in every shot - peg 1 in the wood I did not take into account the wind DOH - I hate standing shots and wobble more than Wobbly and I had a mental block with telling the difference between a 8 yrd shot and a 15yrd...

Having said that, I think the whole event was cracking. The Lake course was lovely with some great targets being set. Great use of what they had in regards to props. The woods were heaven in that this is how many of us imagine shooting to be. In woods laying in thick mud peering under tress for the target.

Target setters - you did a good job.

Everyone who attended either as a shooter or organiser - thank you for making the event the great success it was.

[Photoguy2910]

I have to say, when I first looked at the courses I thought that they didn't look to hard... that was right up until I started to actually shoot them.

Good fun layout and with the mud it mad it even more interesting and enjoyable.

[Gwylan]

Congratulations to everyone concerned, especially Kieran. I don't shoot UKAHFT, but as a matter of interest, was it a standard course, out to 45 yards, or an extreme, out to 55?

Gus

[bozzer]

It was as per UKAHFT Gus.

Max 45 yards.

15mm reducers etc etc

Good courses. You had to think about most shots.

Boz

[kieran turner]

With the very strict time restraints we course setters had I would say we ALL did a bloody good job!

We were unable to put any significantly high awkward shots in any of the courses due to either the campsite or the car park being in the fall out zone of the shot if there was an ND.

So all in all 2 courses set up in a day is a mean feat!

Just my two cents!

[Jega]

With the very strict time restraints we course setters had I would say we ALL did a bloody good job!

We were unable to put any significantly high awkward shots in any of the courses due to either the campsite or the car park being in the fall out zone of the shot if there was an ND.

So all in all 2 courses set up in a day is a mean feat!

Just my two cents!

Couldn't agree more Kieran ,i for one would like to thank EVERY ONE involved with organisation of the comp ,we need to remember that Pete, Sparky, and the rest freely give up masses of their own free time so we can enjoy our sport.
They not only set up the worlds they also look after the UKAHFT rounds as well as their respective clubs competitions and admin ,so thanks guys you do a brilliant job.
Before i forget well done Kieran ,fellow Scunny ;)

[Roys]

A good course i reckon.
Only thing that concerned me was the unsupported stander on the lake course.
All i could see was the swan beyond the target in the fall out zone.Glad i got that one(the target)
Roy..

[Feral]

A good course i reckon.
Only thing that concerned me was the unsupported stander on the lake course.
All i could see was the swan beyond the target in the fall out zone.Glad i got that one(the target)
Roy..


The white feather that fluttered back to peg says otherwise Roy ;)

It was a pleasure spending a couple of days shooting in your company, the courses were good and made all the better shooting them with with nice folks!

Atb

Cliff

[Roys]

The white feather that fluttered back to peg says otherwise Roy ;)

It was a pleasure spending a couple of days shooting in your company, the courses were good and made all the better shooting them with with nice folks!

Atb

Cliff

Nice one Cliff,and Mrs Sparkes was behind watching:o
It was well worth it and Zak got a new pb.Happy days.
Roy..

[Charlts]

If the courses were easy surely more than one person would have cleared it? Especially when you at where some of the really good shooters finished. If the wind had been blowing it would have made things really really tricky and as it stands there were only a couple of targets on each course which I'd consider gimmies.

Ryan

[stillwater]

Maybe to many people thought the courses looked easy so they didn't give it 100% consetration on every shot.
I for one found them tricky enough as my scores show:confused:

[jagxkrs]

Given a free hand and two days the setters could have been really evil:D:D:D as they only had about 7 hours from arriving on site and seeing the ground for the first time to set two courses I think they did rather well. Had they been easy there are at least 10 lads that were on the course that would have been more than capable of clearing;) The difficulty was subtle but it was there I can assure you.:cool:

And we had Chillingworth with us:p:p:p:p:D

[nibbley-uk]

As most has been said and i agree with most, but like Chris said with just a handful of people per course a great job was carried out.
But now we know what to expect hopefully we can do an even better job next year.
I cant say much for setting the woods course as that was the other team but trying to make interesting shots on open land was always going to be hard especially with the limited height of targets due to the caravans in the distance, but i think we did ok.
If anyone would like to give suggestions to what could of made it better please send me a pm and all will be taken notice of and passed to the relevant people.
Darren

[steve prime]

NTO sets some interesting / difficult courses at Kibworth.These set us up for the Worlds at Kelmarsh.They were not easy or difficult i would say the correct description was DECEPTIVE.Well done to all the organising crewe on a fantastic job ,well executed.Well done Kieren, you are now on top of the world.Remember anyone who participated was a winner.;)

[Gold]

Given a free hand and two days the setters could have been really evil:D:D:D as they only had about 7 hours from arriving on site and seeing the ground for the first time to set two courses I think they did rather well. Had they been easy there are at least 10 lads that were on the course that would have been more than capable of clearing;) The difficulty was subtle but it was there I can assure you.:cool:

And we had Chillingworth with us:p:p:p:p:D

Like using 35mm kill zones @ 40 yards to fool people into thinking they were 40mm @ 45 yards :D
Atb
Cliff

[rogb]

Like using 35mm kill zones @ 40 yards to fool people into thinking they were 40mm @ 45 yards :D
Atb
Cliff

I knew it! I kept telling my shooting partner that I had to get a new scope as my mildots were f00ked:D

I knew they weren't out full, cos of the blur, but my dots kept telling me different GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR:cool::D

[jagxkrs]

Like using 35mm kill zones @ 40 yards to fool people into thinking they were 40mm @ 45 yards :D
Atb
Cliff

Now which nasty bugger would do that I wonder:D:D:D

[Charlts]

Like using 35mm kill zones @ 40 yards to fool people into thinking they were 40mm @ 45 yards :D
Atb
Cliff

That would have been 36mm, there was also a healthy mix of 32mm kills on the woodland course!;)

Ryan

[ChrisC]

we also had a 45mm kill out on the lake:D....over 40yds but bracketed closer to 35...

[Dave Ramshead]

That would have been 36mm, there was also a healthy mix of 32mm kills on the woodland course!;)

Ryan


hohoho hahaha hehehe....... dink.....12 o'clock;):D

[biggles]

Seeing this discussion and the revelation of so many intermediate KZ sizes does, believe it or not, make me feel slightly better about the atrocious score I produced on Monday (Lake course).

While I'm an old (very) hand at shooting and have been 'playing' with FT & HFT for about 5 years now, the vast majority of targets used - probably until now :eek: - on our local club comps have been your off-the-shelf 15, 20 and 40/45mm targets.

Now very clear that my recent discovery - the 'art' (:rolleyes:) of using MAP reticles on full-size kills to confirm visual range estimating - led to my Lake course let down. I didn't use mil-dot ranging on Sunday when shooting the Woods, probably because I had enough to think about knowing I already had my zero wrong :o.

Hey ho .... better prep for 2010, eh ?!?

I presume that the 15 people who've voted "Easy" are all in the top 15 on the result sheet AND shot at clubs where 30-something KZs are the norm :).

Biggles

[rogb]

Seeing this discussion and the revelation of so many intermediate KZ sizes does, believe it or not, make me feel slightly better about the atrocious score I produced on Monday (Lake course).

While I'm an old (very) hand at shooting and have been 'playing' with FT & HFT for about 5 years now, the vast majority of targets used - probably until now :eek: - on our local club comps have been your off-the-shelf 15, 20 and 40/45mm targets.

Now very clear that my recent discovery - the 'art' (:rolleyes:) of using MAP reticles on full-size kills to confirm visual range estimating - led to my Lake course let down. I didn't use mil-dot ranging on Sunday when shooting the Woods, probably because I had enough to think about knowing I already had my zero wrong :o.

Hey ho .... better prep for 2010, eh ?!?

I presume that the 15 people who've voted "Easy" are all in the top 15 on the result sheet AND shot at clubs where 30-something KZs are the norm :).

Biggles

Get some plates made up so you can stick them over the standard KZs and get some practice at the "Deceivers" - optical illusion = ranged wrong = 12 or 6 o'clock dink = :eek::eek::eek::eek::(:mad::o.

I soon sussed this out and got to trust my DOF blur and not my treacehrous mildots:)

[Snooper601]

I presume that the 15 people who've voted "Easy" are all in the top 15 on the result sheet AND shot at clubs where 30-something KZs are the norm :).

Biggles

I couldn't possibly comment;)

Cheers

John

[Charlts]

I presume that the 15 people who've voted "Easy" are all in the top 15 on the result sheet AND shot at clubs where 30-something KZs are the norm :).

Biggles

No I thought both courses were tricky, but very subtley tricky, if it were that easy then more people than Kieran would have cleared the course. I know all my misses were either me being crap and two for wind.

Ryan

[rogb]

No I thought both courses were tricky, but very subtley tricky, if it were that easy then more people than Kieran would have cleared the course. I know all my misses were either me being crap and two for wind.

Ryan

Fully agreed, just one for wind for me, long un by the lake, a gust popped up as I pressed into the 2nd stage, too late:eek: All the rest I was crap:(

[biggles]

Get some plates made up so you can stick them over the standard KZs and get some practice at the "Deceivers"



Beleive me I'm on to it - right now. Only slight reservation about using add-on plates is that, as soon as people see them (pretty much impossible to disguise), they know that it's not 'normal'.

Unless, of course, I was to make a few 45mm 'reducer' plates and rivet them in place over a ...... 45mm KZ :p

Sneeky, eh?

Biggles

[Charlts]

Beleive me I'm on to it - right now. Only slight reservation about using add-on plates is that, as soon as people see them (pretty much impossible to disguise), they know that it's not 'normal'.

Unless, of course, I was to make a few 45mm 'reducer' plates and rivet them in place over a ...... 45mm KZ :p

Sneeky, eh?

Biggles

They're not believe me, the ones on the woods you cannot tell from looking at them from the front that they have been modified!;) But remember a lot of HFT course setters will scale down the plate as well so other methods of bracketing don't work!;)

Ryan

[steve prime]

If you found the wind at the worlds a problem you should have stayed off the BEANS!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::D:D