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Jamie Norton
13-09-2009, 05:15 PM
BSA Superten Mk3

I bought this new about three years ago. It’s the non-bull barrel full-length version. I opted for this as the thicker bull barrel requires the use of high mounts when using a large objective scope.

The stock is beech and is very nicely sculpted and well finished. There is a well-placed thumb rest groove and an adjustable butt pad is fitted as standard to adjust the fit. This is very comfortable to use with decent chequering on the grip and fore stock.

It is undeniably a heavy rifle. Personally, I prefer lighter guns, especially for hunting, but I know others prefer a heavier weight. I do feel, though, that it is important that heavy rifles are well balanced and the Superten, unfortunately, isn’t. It is noticeably front-heavy.

The trigger is adjustable in various planes for fit and, of course, for pull and travel. I haven’t changed mine from the factory setting as I find it ok as is, but maybe I should as it isn’t as crisp and predictable as, say, a HW100.

Mine is a .177 and I can get over a hundred shots per buddy bottle charge (at 232 bar). This means that it doesn’t need to be recharged so often, which is just as well because this procedure is a bit of an ordeal. BSA advise unscrewing the bottle x number of turns before firing off dry shots to empty the chamber before fully removing the bottle. Unfortunately, this is a very imprecise procedure – unscrew too far and the air escapes violently risking damage to the bottle’s O ring; not far enough and you spend a lot of time dry firing for nothing. In practice, this means unscrewing a little at a time and dry firing a dozen or so shots in between (by which time everyone else has already recharged their guns). More often than not, the result is a violent discharge anyway. When you eventually remove the bottle it leaks air until you recharge it. I’ve spoken to other Superten owners who describe the same problems. Not good enough, BSA! If it is necessary to release air pressure before removing the bottle then better provision should be made for this, although other guns with removable bottles such as Gunpower’s Stealth and Weirauch’s HW100 have no such requirement.

The magazine is an all-metal enclosed type which is spring-loaded. The bolt must be locked in its rearward position to allow the magazine to be extracted from the left side. A pellet is dropped in to the first empty chamber then the drum is manually turned one click to expose the next chamber and so on. As the drum is turned the internal spring is tensioned. The magazine is then re-inserted into the gun and the bolt moved to its forward position to load the first pellet. Some jiggling of the magazine is required to get the loading prod lined up for this first round. The magazine has performed faultlessly even after leaving it in a wet field overnight!

The bolt action itself differs from other manufacturers’ in that it must be lifted from the front slot, drawn back, then lowered into a rear slot before reversing the procedure. This additional lowering and raising in the rear position means it is slightly slower and more cumbersome than the traditional ‘lift, pull back, push forward, lower’ of other bolt actions. If you don’t do it right then the trigger locks requiring you to try again.

There is a noticeable movement on firing, though hardly enough to call it recoil. Nevertheless, other PCPs I’ve shot have no discernible movement on firing.

I’m obliged to say that, despite being regulated (and BSA’s top of the range gun when I bought mine) it is not very accurate. I have tried several pellet brands, but 1.5” groups at 30 yards is about its limit. Cleaning the barrel improves things temporarily (maybe 1” groups) but this lasts less than about a hundred shots. I am told that John Bowkett can transform the Superten in this respect, but I think it fair to expect BSA to have already done this.

All in all, it has been a bit disappointing. Some of the issues appear to be the result of poor design. The air discharge problem when removing the bottle, for instance, should have been resolved. After paying over £500 for the gun, I shouldn’t have to send it to someone else to make it accurate either. On the basis of this experience, I can’t really recommend the Superten and doubt I’d buy another BSA.

Talbot09
15-09-2009, 06:38 PM
didnt go so good then. im suprised good review mate

Marko
15-09-2009, 08:52 PM
I am very surprised, a shooting friends Superten Mk 3 was the bomb, one of the most accurate PCPs I have ever used.

robo63
18-09-2009, 10:05 PM
I am very surprised, a shooting friends Superten Mk 3 was the bomb, one of the most accurate PCPs I have ever used.

iam also very suprised at your findings,my mk3 superten is awsomely accurate,in fact the most accurate gun ive owned and ive had a fair few to say the least.a 1.5 group at that distance is very poor for a sten especially in 1.77.i can assure you your findings are not the norm for this rifle and would suggest you send it back to bsa.hope you get it sorted,rgds robo.

col59
18-10-2009, 08:38 PM
heavy,basic engineering,what are BSA thinking.accurate as hell though.from a proud S10 bb mk 3 owner.:D

Slacker24seven
18-10-2009, 09:01 PM
I am pretty surprised by your findings too, my .22 Bull Barrel carbine not only handles nicely but is rather accurate too - in fact it was one of the things that swayed me towards a Scorpion T10 rather than an AAS410 when I wanted a new gun, which has also performed brilliantly:cool:

If it was that bad why didn't you send it back to BSA when new, at least from an accuracy point of view? Their customer service is second to none. Whether or not it is because a few too many friday afternoon specials get through their dodgy quality control is another matter but the fact remains that they will bend over backwards to be helpful if something isn't quite right;)

lucky trigger
19-10-2009, 08:16 AM
Some years ago i owned a carbine mk2 in .22 i found it heavy and badly balanced and it was also underpowered. i havnt owned a bsa since although i like the look of the lightning xl:)

Greylag
19-10-2009, 11:45 AM
Hey up Lucky,

If your Super 10 was under powered it wouldn't have taken a lot of work to get it sorted and very cheaply. The Super 10 is the gun I use now and I've tried quite a few to find the best one for me. The Super 10 fits the bill, it's well built, accurate as hell, quiet and easy to use even in the dark for ratting and rabbiting.

Regards

Greylag
19-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Hey up Jamie,

I'm another who's surprised buy the lack of accuracy with your Super 10. I use one with AA Fields in .22 calibre it's now been blueprinted and the test card sent back by John Bowkett shows a group of 10 shots at 50 yards using JSB Exacts which covers a 1p coin (20mm) Even before I had the blueprint done I could get groups almost pellet on pellet at 22 yards which is the distance I zero at and use for ratting. I've used several BSA's over the years and a few pcp ones lately and never found an accuracy issue with any of them. There must have been something wrong somewhere for it to have been that inaccurate in my opinion.

Regards

Pupsi
22-10-2009, 04:18 PM
I too am very surprised with your findings. I have a Mk3 S10 .22 Bull Barrel Rifle, which I bought secondhand, nothing has been done to it, it is as it came from the factory. At 45 yards I can place 10 pellets within a circle the size of a 2p coin. I agree about the buddy bottle bit and the cocking bolt could have been better, actually there are aftermarket ones that are available, using the aftermarket bolts transforms the cocking action into a more fluidy easy motion, the larger size makes it more efficient, in fact I'm looking to buy another S10, but this time the carbine version with the Bull Barrel to keep alongside my Rifle version.

Pupsi
22-10-2009, 04:24 PM
I forgot to mention in my last post, the S10 will be having the John Bowkett blueprinting treatment soon, which will make an already excellent gun, better.

Pupsi
22-10-2009, 04:26 PM
I too am very surprised with your findings. I have a Mk3 S10 .22 Bull Barrel Rifle, which I bought secondhand, nothing has been done to it, it is as it came from the factory. At 45 yards I can place 10 pellets within a circle the size of a 2p coin. I agree about the buddy bottle bit and the cocking bolt could have been better, actually there are aftermarket ones that are available, using the aftermarket bolts transforms the cocking action into a more fluidy easy motion, the larger size makes it more efficient, in fact I'm looking to buy another S10, but this time the carbine version with the Bull Barrel to keep alongside my Rifle version.

Jenny Dipple
22-10-2009, 05:22 PM
My hubby has two 177 and .22 both are very accurate, he says that 1 two second m/c operation would sort out the bottle discharge problem, along with polyurethane seal instead of an o ring. Jenny Dipple

Al Bundy
22-10-2009, 11:30 PM
Hi Jamie,
If you haven't already tried them,I'd suggest giving Bisley Magnums or H&N Barracudas a try.
I owned a Scorpion T10 and a Rapid with a BSA barrel,both in .177 and these were the only pellets they would shoot accurately.

HTH,
Chris.

apds120
11-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Whilst accuracy of my second hand S10 mk3 is good thats all that is. Its too heavy, badly balanced, original plastic wheel magazines chew up (BSA has now produced better ones), bolt action is slower than more modern designs, filling is a pain.
This was BSA's first pcp (mk3 is basically cosmetically different to mk1), more modern BSAs are better. Why did they keep it in production so long?