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DJP
13-11-2009, 08:41 AM
Recently I had the opportunity to purchase an SMK XS20 at an advantageous price. In truth it was another impulse buy. Previously I've owned plenty of quality airguns so I was curious to see how the Chinese models stacked up.

First impressions were good. The rifle is nicely made and the build quality isn’t that far short of the real thing. Just a few bits give the game away: The inletting on the stock around the breech pivot screws showed some tool marks and the lacquer (or whatever the finish is) wasn’t very evenly applied – although neither is a huge issue.

The metal components were very nicely machined although the blueing appeared slightly thin (but that could just be my impression).

Cocking the rifle was a different story with plenty of groans and graunches and the firing cycle was twangy as hell.

So a quick strip down was in order. As an aside, I found that there was very little preload on the spring and I was able to strip and reassemble the rifle using just hand pressure.

Once inside, I found that the internals were a mixed bag. The spring looked good with properly finished ends but the guide was a loose fit. The inside of the cylinder was well finished but the piston itself was a bit rough with visible machining marks. On the plus side, it was fitted with a liner as per the V Mach kits - a nice touch.

Overall, the internals were no worse than many far more expensive guns. I’ve seen a plenty of HWs with poorly finished springs and the last Prosport I owned had a very loose fitting spring guide. The SMK was certainly no worse in these respects. However, the main issue was that the internals had been lubed with a light oil. So it was time to polish off the rough spots and reassemble everything with proper grease.

Much better! Dead easy to cock, a smooth firing cycle and 11 fpe with AAF. To be honest. I must admit that I was dubious as to whether the Chinese barrel would be any good. Certainly, a visual inspection showed the rifling to be neatly cut and the crown appeared properly done. But the proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating.

Once I’d reacquainted myself with the technique of shooting a lightweight springer, I was pleased to find that it turned in some very decent groups. Half-inch groups at 25 yards were easy and with a bit of practice I could get a five shot group that could be covered by a 5p piece. Indeed, it wasn’t unusual to get 2 or 3 pellets through the same, increasingly ragged hole.

It was looking good, but then after about a hundred shots the rifle started to lose power. A quick strip down revealed a split piston seal. And this highlighted another problem: Spares (or lack thereof). SMK won’t supply spares so I tried several local RFDs who were also totally uninterested in supplying the parts. In the end I ordered the relevant bits from Jim Maccari in the States but then these failed to arrive. It felt like a conspiracy! Eventually, I found that a TX200 piston seal was the same (indeed it was a better fit than the original) and it was back to happy days.

With the AA seal in place the XS20 was stunningly consistent - with a velocity spread of just 6 fps over 10 shots. Excellent stuff.

All the more galling then, when after another few hundred shots, it totally refused to group . Previously this gun was a tack driver – now it was more like a shotgun. I tried all the usual stuff: Different pellets, different scopes and different shooters. The verdict? It don’t group (well not anymore).

And we couldn’t figure out why. We cleaned the barrel, we tightened the breach jaws. There was no damage or obvious cause for the problem and over the chrono it showed excellent consistency.

Yet it still wouldn’t group. I was pulling my hair out big time! After all, this gun would print neat cloverleafs at 25 yards out of the box and now, after only a few hundred pellets, it wouldn’t do better than 2 inch groups at the same distance.

So I did a web search and found mention of a similar problem. http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot...rricks-xiscobam-b26-2-part-6.html. It seems in that case that the barrel latch pin was a loose fit in it’s bore causing the barrel to latch in a slightly different position each time, causing shots to go all over the show – pretty much what was happening to mine.

That author’s solution was to machine a replacement latch pin. Mine was to return the rifle to the shop.

A sorry saga, really. The XS20 was a nice rifle and, in the main, well built. It promised much and almost delivered, but problems with spares and niggling quality control issues really spoil the party. In the end, I'd had enough.

A shame really because the Chinese have nearly got it right, and I wish them well in the future, but one thing’s for sure: I won’t touch another Chinese gun ever again.

Good Luck if you do!

fat man
13-11-2009, 10:01 PM
nice balanced review. i have a smk 78 gas rifle, bought for a bargin price. its been fettled by a friend at club and is much smother to load and shoot. 11 ft pounds with aaf in .22. as to spares yes smk dont seem to keen to supply them!, atb.:)

gibboj
17-11-2009, 11:28 AM
hi nice review, whent to my local gun shop on friday to look at a hw95 got to shoot one [nice]. the owner off the shop was pushing a x19 and x20 he said he sell`s load`s and never one back for repair.he sold three infront off me in 1/2 hr mostley to new shooter`s [thayl be in the back off the shed in three week`s forever] shame though thay have come soo close to making a good rifle cheep .theres a saying buy cheep pay twice JOHN

DJP
17-11-2009, 11:53 AM
Agreed. I'd suggest that most SMKs are sold to people who are quite happy as long as they can shoot the occasional the tin can and they don't really demand anything more. Which is fair enough. Those folks will never notice the shortcomings - hence why they don't get many back.

Smokeless Coal
17-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Shame, Archers do everything you might want for the QB78

http://www.archerairguns.com/qb78-airgun-parts-tools-s/22.htm

But no one seems bothered with the other SMK stuff.

I'm happy with my QB as a cheapie rifle, I plan on getting a Beeman cheapie pistol soon to go with it.

william
18-11-2009, 10:37 AM
If any one requires parts for their SMK rifles get in contact with me WillG.

I am now a RFD and I can get all the parts to fit these guns, If other RFDs arent bothered to supply parts more fool them, there is a big demand for these parts.
I now also supply compete QB78 & QB79 tuning seals kits at very affordable prices..

I can also supply the new Thumbhole stocks for the QB78..

Thanks
Will.

Aardys
20-11-2009, 09:05 PM
If any one requires parts for their SMK rifles get in contact with me WillG.

I can also supply the new Thumbhole stocks for the QB78..

Thanks
Will.

do you have the target stock also ?? :cool: like this
http://i47.tinypic.com/21ak2mu.jpg

william
20-11-2009, 09:28 PM
do you have the target stock also ?? :cool: like this
http://i47.tinypic.com/21ak2mu.jpg

I will ask my supplier if they could be purchased, I will ask him on monday, I have a few enquires for him..


Will

jumbuck
20-11-2009, 10:37 PM
My son has an XS20 Super Grade which i bought for him s/h. It was dirt cheap but graunchy on cocking. I am a chicken and had it tuned for me but what a different animal it is now. shoots really sweet and side by side with my HW it can hold it's own :cool: Well impressed :)

Aardys
21-11-2009, 02:27 PM
My son has an XS20 Super Grade which i bought for him s/h. It was dirt cheap but graunchy on cocking. I am a chicken and had it tuned for me but what a different animal it is now. shoots really sweet and side by side with my HW it can hold it's own :cool: Well impressed :)

interesting , i had my xs20 and my hw95 side by side at my club , and everyone who shot them couldnt tell them apart , both smooth and accurate , so i sold the hw:D my xs20 is standard from the box , never been stripped or messed with in any way at all , just a drop of oil and a few thousand pellets ;)

DJP
21-11-2009, 03:12 PM
I think it's the old problem of quality control. Get good one, and it’s as good as anything out there. Get a bad one and it’ll be awful.

With a Chinese gun, it’s compelling to believe that you’re getting a bargain. But, in reality, you get what you pay for. You may pay extra for a HW, or whatever, but you do so in the knowledge that bad examples are few and far between.

Buying Chinese is more akin to a lottery.

One day they will sort the QC – then the established manufacturers will have something to worry about.

Until then, I’d say pay the extra for a HW – at least that way you have some certainty about what you’re getting.

william
21-11-2009, 06:57 PM
I think it's the old problem of quality control. Get good one, and it’s as good as anything out there. Get a bad one and it’ll be awful.

With a Chinese gun, it’s compelling to believe that you’re getting a bargain. But, in reality, you get what you pay for. You may pay extra for a HW, or whatever, but you do so in the knowledge that bad examples are few and far between.

Buying Chinese is more akin to a lottery.

One day they will sort the QC – then the established manufacturers will have something to worry about.

Until then, I’d say pay the extra for a HW – at least that way you have some certainty about what you’re getting.

The thing is the Chineese are getting there and very quickly at that.

I have a xs20 that I have fully tuned and the gun shoots as well as my HWs:eek:,
I love my HWs but the chineese models are cheaper to buy, and I enjoy a tinker, OK the QC isnt quite up to HW standards yet but how many of us still fit a tuning kit to our BSAs & HWs because they arent happy with what they have.

I have seen HW springs of late just snipped and pushed into the cylinder :eek: wheres the QC there ?
BSAs are really Gamos ;) and they also need a good tuning.

Will.

Aardys
06-12-2009, 10:13 AM
I will ask my supplier if they could be purchased, I will ask him on monday, I have a few enquires for him..


Will

how did you get on ?

william
06-12-2009, 12:01 PM
how did you get on ?

I contacted the dealer and he hasnt even seen that stock:rolleyes:, the only one that they sell over here is for the XS78 and thats the thumbhole version.

I will be sending the manufacturer a e-mail shortly to see if they would ship the target stock to the UK as well as the States..

Fingers crossed.

Will.

Aardys
06-12-2009, 12:57 PM
I contacted the dealer and he hasnt even seen that stock:rolleyes:, the only one that they sell over here is for the XS78 and thats the thumbhole version.

I will be sending the manufacturer a e-mail shortly to see if they would ship the target stock to the UK as well as the States..

Fingers crossed.

Will.

ok thanks , also if you can ask if they sell the complete target verstion , i would be interested , i know this would mean picking it up in person , but thats ok , it will test my sat nav pout anyway .
regards .,.,cliff

ratgunner
06-12-2009, 05:40 PM
Bought a QB78 Deluxe for my Wife,

At first it was quite erratic, so tried to clean the barrel and it was full of black muck,

I trapped a three part brass rod between my feet, fitted it with a plastic brush,

once fitted into the barrel I poured gun oil in at the breech moving the rifle up and down on the brush until black treacle stopped running out,

Now a lovely shiny well rifled barrel was visible,

Gassed up loaded JSB's .22in what a little gem, I now shoot it in our Club internals over open sights (in warm weather) top score 38/60 standing for all shots,

Also shoot an SMK XHS3 spring pistol in our pistol comps (wot a Beast) have filed both trigger and slider sears and you can fire it with one finger now

as it had a 32ft Lb trigger before :eek: very accurate on JSB Match .177in.