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wgmorgan
20-07-2005, 07:32 AM
I've only had a Air Arms Pro Sport (on loan) for a day but I have used the same gun, belonging to a mate, a few times in the past. My impression is that this gun is pure class. Picture here (http://www.air-arms.co.uk/PICS/GUNS/PROSPORTMIDDLE.jpg)

I've looked at the archive and other reviewers have pointed out that it looks like a fullbore hunting rifle, with its underlever neatly tucked up in the stock. It's said to be the most attractive springer on the market and I agree.

The quality of workmanship is very high, as it should be for a gun at this reatail price (currently £325 in beech, £379 in walnut from Blackpool Air Rifles). The bluing is high gloss and the stock has very nice chequering at the grip and forend. The forend also has grooves towards the tip, presumably to improve the hold.

When people here say it is well-balanced they are dead right. Although not light at 9lbs plus scope, it doesn't feel so heavy. The barrel, with built in silencer, is quite short and the gun is not at all front heavy.

Cocking is fairly hard work, given the relatively short stroke, and you have to continue beyond engaging the sear to engage the thumb safety too. If you don't hear a firm click then the cocking lever won't fit back under the stock and you have to go back to complete the cocking cycle.

Some people have complained that the alloy underlever is uncomfortable to grip. I haven't found it to be so, even after a couple of hours of consistent shooting. True it is rectangular in shape but the grip end is rounded off well enough. It's hard to see how it could be improved without spoiling the gun's lines.

The lever has no srping-loaded locking catch. Instead it has a cam arrangement so that just before it reaches the closed position it snaps back into the stock.

The anti bear trap is silent and you wouldn't know it was there unless you tried to fire with the cokcing lever down. This means the gun can't be uncocked without firing it though. Or rather with difficulty it can, by following instructions in the owner's manual (click here for the PDF version (http://www.air-arms.co.uk/PDFS/PSISS2.pdf)), but it's not recommended.

The cocking lever is alloy, not to everybody's taste as the silver colour does stand out somewhat. On the positive side there's no paint finish to wear off, it's lighter than steel and won't rust. Could there be some way of making the alloy chemically blackened at the manufacturing stage, to get the best of all worlds?

The sliding stainless steel breech opens to leave a very good sized gap to fit the pellet directly into the (Lothar Walther) barrel. When it's open you can see right through the underlever slot which is fine execpt if you drop a pellet and it falls to the ground.

The gold-plated trigger is two stage, with a long first stage. The second stage let-off is crisp and smooth. Firing this gun is unlike other springers I've used (unfortunately not many since the 1980s!). There is almost no twang and very little felt recoil. I'm told this is because the Pro Sport is 'pre-tuned out of the box' with synthetic piston bearings.

In short this is a superb air rifle that won't disappoint. The difference between the PS and my old Airsporter - also a beautiful gun - is a bit liek the difference between a new 3 series BMW and a Morris Minor. Like the Moggie the BSA was great in its day and still charming but in design terms the PS beats it comfortably on every score.

Then again the PS is expensive so has to be compared with the best of the rest and with the cheaper PCPs. It's no lightweight for carrying around and although well-balanced is a 'man's gun'. Needless to say, it is deadly accurate, way more than I am!


Specs taken from the Air Arms web site:

Pro-Sport Specification
O/A length 1035mm Caliber 4.5mm(.177) & 5.5mm(.22)
Barrel length 242mm - Over-tube 377mm Stock Beech & Walnut R/H only
Weight 4.1kg Std power 12ft/lbs max.
Loading Sliding breech FAC power 14.5ft/lbs 20joules (.177) 15ft/lbs 20.5 joule(.22)


Barrel & Over-tube:
Lothar Walther - 20mm o.d. - 4.5mm (.177") & 5.5mm (,22") cals -12 groove rifling - 450mm twist

- choked muzzle end. Built-in moderator.
Trigger:
True 2 stage - adjustable weight of pull - adjustable length of pull.
Stock:
Beech & Walnut right hand with ventilated butt pad.

Rapidnick
20-07-2005, 07:49 AM
I agree with most of what you say. To me the only real problem with the Pro Sport is that it is only available from Air Arms with a right hand stock. As we all know the Air Arms roll over is very 'aggressive' which makes shooting this rifle for any length of time less than perfect if you are a leftie like me.
I have no problem with the aluminium underlever and personally don't find the cocking effort a problem. Having owned all of the current Air Arms springers at one time or another, I found them all excellent but the Pro Sport is the best of them all and worthy of the title 'best springer out of the box'.
What I would find interesting is a direct comparison between a standard Pro Sport and a Weihrauch HW77 or 97 with the full Venom/Lazaglide works which I imagine is the only springer that would be 'better' than this superb piece of (mainly) British craftsmanship. :D

jayboy
22-07-2005, 04:51 PM
Have both, and thought nothing would beat the ps. Then I had my 97 venomed, and, what a gun! Still I believe I have the two best springers on the market at the moment, and even have a stage 1 in my ps. Keep wondering what the ultraglide would be like, and is it worth the £150 venom want to do it. Anyway back to the 97 vs ps.
The 97 is slightly harder to cock, the trigger (again tweaked by venom), still does not feel as sweet as the ps, but on the other hand it has the quiter thud of the two rifles, in fact using a mates webley raider with silencer sounded louder than all my springers. The lock time on the 97 is quicker, and the recoil feels slightly gentler, if that could be compared.
The venom laza'd and the trigger tweaked cost me £180 on top of the standard rifle, and then add the price of the walnut stock, and you're starting to talk money. The best spring rifle out of the box, fully self contained, is the pro sport bar none......

Jay :D :D

andy_scouser
22-07-2005, 05:38 PM
If anybody wants to compare my fully lazaglided HW77k left hand with their left hand pro spo....oh, you can't can you... :( hey, ho, ill stick with the left hand HW venom thanks very much

GATMAN
23-07-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Rapidnick -

"What I would find interesting is a direct comparison between a standard Pro Sport and a Weihrauch HW77 or 97 with the full Venom/Lazaglide works which I imagine is the only springer that would be 'better' than this superb piece of (mainly) British craftsmanship."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I 'm sure Baz did an excellent head to head review of a Venom 97 (in a 77 stock) and a Prosport.It was on the Total Pest Control site which is down at the moment - maybe Baz could stick it on here ?


Paul.

Rapidnick
23-07-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Rapidnick -

"What I would find interesting is a direct comparison between a standard Pro Sport and a Weihrauch HW77 or 97 with the full Venom/Lazaglide works which I imagine is the only springer that would be 'better' than this superb piece of (mainly) British craftsmanship."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I 'm sure Baz did an excellent head to head review of a Venom 97 (in a 77 stock) and a Prosport.It was on the Total Pest Control site which is down at the moment - maybe Baz could stick it on here ?


Paul.

Thanks Gatman that would be very interesting.

Rapidnick
23-07-2005, 11:31 AM
If anybody wants to compare my fully lazaglided HW77k left hand with their left hand pro spo....oh, you can't can you... :( hey, ho, ill stick with the left hand HW venom thanks very much

Andy I soon will be able to do just that when my Maccari stock arrives from the US. I see you are online-hope the holiday is going well!! :D

Barry D
08-08-2005, 08:12 PM
A fine rifle once you get it loaded.................

But hasn't anyone else found it irritatingly fiddly to get a pellet in if you are in a hurry ?

rabbitter
08-08-2005, 08:53 PM
Both fantastic rifles, but am I the only person who finds the pro sport trigger a little 'spongy' compared with the 77k one?

Happy to be disagreed with!

Ian

wgmorgan
08-08-2005, 10:07 PM
Barry: Can't say I've had any trouble loading. On the contrary the breech opening seems pretty generous, but I've got only medium size hands........

Ian: Haven't tried a HW77 trigger but the description spongy for the PS doesn't sound right at all. Very crisp on my one. Perhaps the one you've used needs adjusting? :)

ora8i
08-08-2005, 10:55 PM
I had one with left hand stock, not for me too heavy by far, I sold it and kept my Sidewinder.

Loading was no problem at the range but cocking it while bent over under a bush trying not to slip down into a ditch was another matter.

Still it was the best looking springer I have ever owned and if your OK with the weight a truly excellent rifle.

Regards Ora

Rapidnick
09-08-2005, 07:08 AM
If anybody wants to compare my fully lazaglided HW77k left hand with their left hand pro spo....oh, you can't can you... :( hey, ho, ill stick with the left hand HW venom thanks very much

Oh yes you can!!! :) :) :)

rabbitter
09-08-2005, 07:15 AM
Ian: Haven't tried a HW77 trigger but the description spongy for the PS doesn't sound right at all. Very crisp on my one. Perhaps the one you've used needs adjusting? :)

Quite possibly. It is my own rifle, but I havent played with the trigger setup. I will have to unlazy myself and give it a go.

regards

Ian

The Pie Man
09-08-2005, 06:46 PM
Had mine for nearly 1 week from new, found the trigger not to my liking, although saying that, there was nothing wrong with it (I'm a fussy bugger).
Just a few hours slowly adjusting bit by bit, and i have found a very light and crisp trigger :) .
Accuracy .
I took it to a field and set out some basic targets at normal distances, 8/12/18/25 & 35 zero etc, and found that it is almost spot on the center point marker on my Bushnell 3200 Elite turrets :D (good start).

Heavy
Then because of the extra weight i thought I'd get comfy and just get used to the gun rather then the weight to start with.
So I have a very low sun chair, almost on the floor, this puts your leg height perfect for your forearm, to rest the gun nicely all day.

Testing
After an hour or two I could only keep smiling :D at myself, as the targets i was hitting were 40mm, and I was placing 6 out of ten in the kill zone, (not bad for a beginner). :)
I got brave, and moved them out to 45, 50, & 55, yards and was getting more in the kill zone than i ever could with my PcP's.
This has now got me totally hooked, the pcp's have been nicely packed under the bed, and the learning has started.

My Pro-sport is the most impressive gun a have brought to date, The Walnut is pretty & finished well, It is nicely balanced, & to finish off, the bluing is quality.

Harv.. :)

12" phut
09-08-2005, 11:10 PM
Hi Harv

Have you put a chrono on yours yet? I bought mine new last September and it was running at twelve and a half out of the box. If I recall, mine was actually made early in 2004. It was sorted easily enough, but I would be curious to know what yours runs at.

Cheers

Pete

The Pie Man
10-08-2005, 04:15 AM
First thing I did Pete, but the annoying bit was the crystal in the combro broke just before, so i had to wait.
Once i got it back it was doing 11.5 with Daystate Ft's. :)
Just perfect..

wgmorgan
04-09-2005, 05:10 PM
Have been practicing with the .22 cal. PS quite a lot over the past week or so. I've got the point where I can hit 40mm disks at 45 yards with three out of four shots kneeling. The internals are really bedding in 600 pellets or so on, after a spring change/relube.

In the muggy weather I've particularly appreciated that the underlever is alloy, meaning virtually no sweaty flesh contact with any blued metal to cock, load or handle. (Still a shame the cocking lever isn't darker though....) ;)