Hawke HD Sport MAP 6x40

[Sub Sea Sniper]

I picked up my scope today from the local gunshop and fitted it to to my TX200 HC.

I haven't had a chance to zero it yet but had a good play around and got it mounted to my rifle.

First impressions are good, the build quality on the scope seems pretty high. It does look a tad plain but I was using a 3-9x42 with PA so it had a lot of bells and whistles. If find the sleek lines pretty cool actually.

The scope has a fast focus ocular adjustment which is easily fixed to your particular eye. Apart from that all you get are the windage/elevation knobs which can be turned by the fingers and have screw on metal dust covers.

The optics are pretty good for a scope this price. To be honest the clarity blows my old scope (a Nikko Stirling) out of the water.

The reticle is the main reason I bought this scope. It doesn't have that almost dark brown/gold colour, it is a nice, solid black.

The main feature of this scope is the MAP (Multiple Aim Point) reticule. This, unlike a normal mildot, has calculated spacing between each dot to correspond with a known distance. This scope will work with a non FAC limit rifle shooting just under 12 ft/lbs. For 0.22 (which is what my rifle is) you must shoot a 16-16.5 grain pellet.

The rifle is zeroed at thirty yards. When this is done the (only) dot above the cross should be used for twenty yards. The three dots below the cross are for 35, 40 and 45 yards. There are two dots either side of the cross which give crosswind compensation for 10mph at 30 yards and 10 mph at 40 yards.

I can't quite figure out how the outer dots compensate for the wind when without the wind the pellet will drop to the second dot below the cross.

I will be out to zero this sight soon and will pst an update but first impressions are good.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Right then, I finally managed to get out and get the scope zeroed. The instructions reccommend zeroing at 30 yards but I zeroed at 30metres.

The wind was really strong at my shoot so I took a while to get the sight giving nice and tight groupings.

After that I went for a wee stalk. First shot, a standing shot to a wary bunny standing on his hind legs looking at me. Range was about 20m so I used the mildot above the cross. Very clean kill, the rabbit dropped down, twitched a bit, then was still.

I continued my stalk, saw another rabbit at about 25 metres and took a shot from kneeling. The crosswind was pretty strong and I read it totally wrong, clean miss.

I walked about a bit and came to a new part of my shoot I am still sussing out. I saw two small hillocks, separated by a shallow, 20m wide depression. One of the hillocks was choked with growth, the other covered in fairly short grass. The rabbits were out in force on the grassy slope, sunning themselves. I crouch-walked almost to the top of the growth-choke hillock and then went prone. I crawled through the growth and poke my rigfle out the other side. Three rabbits sitting 20metres away but again, the crosswind was strong and shifting.

I fired at one bunny, clean miss. He and another spooked leaving just one. I took a shot at him, missed. He flinched but stayed still. My second shot found the mark and he went down clean.

I then walked quietly across an area of grazing to an old ruined croft where numerous bunnies can be found. I saw one from about 25 metres. The sun was behind me and he didn't have a clue I was there. I sat down, got comfy and took a shot. He went down clean.

That was me, very happy for a first session with the new scope.

The Hawke Sport performed flawlessly, the optics were good and the reticule was a really nice matt black, contrasted well against my sight picture.

As a first time mildot user I am ecstatic at the amount of targetting options the dots give me. The three rabbits I got today would have been doubtful with my old scope.

Unfortunately the wind played havoc but I will go out on a nice calm day and play with the sight at different ranges. I am also going to re-zero at 30yards.

Very impressive scope, highly reccommended.

Sub Sea Sniper

[turkey_man]

Nice review. It would be good if you got to the range to find out if the mildots are as accurate as Deben say.

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Turkey Man,

I got a pretty good range set up at my shoot, measured everything off with a surveyors measuring tape. Thats why I zeroed from 30m, we set the range up in metric. I am gonna mark off some yardage ranges so I can see how the dots work out. Unfortunately the wind was crazy up here today so I didn't bother trying anything too subtle today.

It was blowing so hard I saw a dudes motorbike get blown over and just down the straight a big concrete skin on a building was peeled off by the wind and dumped into the street, nearly hit a guy who got a right shock. If it calms down over the next couple of days I will re-zero the rifle to 30 yards and see how it goes. I've gotta put lower mounts on the gun too, I am using highs just now and will go to mediums.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Sub Sea Sniper]

For anyone interested in this scope, check out www.opticswarehouse.com

They sell the 6x40 for £40 including mounts and Butler Creek flip up covers!!!!!

Christ knows how they do it so cheap, but there you go.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Right, review update. I went out with my TX200HC today to re-zero the scope to 30 yards. I also put the scope on medium two-piece mounts which brought it lower to the rifle and made the whole outfit much slicker looking.

After spending ten minutes zeroing in I went for a quick stalk through the whin choked field that comprises about 1/3 of my shoot. The sun had just come out after a mornings rain and there were a lot of bunnies on the go. I skirted a long bank of whins and was amazed at the amount of rabbits grazing and lounging in the sun. Unfortunately cover at this point is minimal and they all scarpered apart from one big bunny which was partially concealed behind a patch of undergrowth. I took a sitting stance and balanced the front of my rifle over both knees which I locked together, spreading my feet for stability. The rabbit stood on his hind legs and I steadied my breathing. I estimated the range to be between 35 and 40 yards. I drew a bead between the first and second mildots down from the crosshair and steadied myself. I took the shot and to my delight the rabbit went down, twitched a few times then was still. I paced the distance and found to be 37 yards.

After that I stalked into an enclosure of whins, about 60 by 100 metres across. At one end the whins narrow down and it is possible, with care, to stalk right up and pop out about 15 yards from a bunny. Today I managed just that and sneaked up on a good sized rabbit. It was semi-wary but could not see me. I took my shot aiming just below the dot above the crosshair, again a good, clean kill.

I then got another two bunnies but they were non events. Total of 4 rabbits in 40 minutes, pretty good shooting session.

I am totally convinced that the mildot spacing is accurate to the distances given in the scopes literature. The two rabbits I took today at long and short range can testify to that (well, they can't, but you know what I mean).

Damn fine scope that keeps on impressing.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Darren Petts]

At the risk of being critical this is more a review of your hunting than the scope. Surely the whole point of this scope is the reticle and it's accuracy to its stated claims or lack of. There's just one throwaway comment about this near the end.

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Darren, fair point, I got a bit misty eyed and started to wax lyrical about a most enjoyable hunting trip. After reading it I decided to submit it as it was as it does show how familiar I have become with this scope in such a short time. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, it is good to go to the bother of writing a review and having someone actually reply.

Cheers guys,

Sub Sea Sniper

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Review Update:-

Went out shooting today in a horrible wind. Managed four rabbits in about an hour and number 3 was possibly the most difficult shot I have pulled off.

I was on my hands and knees crawling towards a long swathe of whins but the rabbits all scattered before I got there, apart from one. I took a bead on him but he ran to my left and stopped even further away. He was up on his hind legs trying to spy me.

I estimated the distance to be just under 40 yards so I took my aim between the first and second mildot below the cross. The wind was really blustery and blowing right to left so I guesstimated the windage using the mildots either side of the crosshair. When the wind lulled a bit I took my shot and floored the rabbit. He scrambled a few yards then collapsed. I looked at the body and found my shot had gone in below his right ear and slightly back, towards the nape of its neck.

Only about 20mm from the sweet spot. I was absolutely chuffed given the distance (paced out at 38 yards) and crosswind. Another testament to the quality of this sight.

Sub Sea Sniper

[Northernspark]

Just bought a 3-9x40 map, the instructions claim the dots correspond at 30 35 40 and 45 yards on 6 x mag, using .22 AAF on medium mounts I found it to do this at 8 x mag.

At 6 x mag 35 yards was just under 1 dot 40 1 dot 45 2 dots, at 8x mag it was 35 yards 1 dot 40 2 dots 45 3 dots.

Had a little go on the mini ft course at redfearns and found it to be very usefull, for £55 I reckon it's well worth the money.

They do look a bit plain but what the bleedin hell do you want? flashing lights and a whistel? :D

Steve

[putty1]

I have recently purchased the 1" 6x40map from optics warehouse (top service btw) and found it very easy to use.
Easy to adjust the focus at the front element for short range too.
Optics are not brilliant but hey it was only 40 quid!
I was looking for a light 6,7or8x40ish fixed mag scope without spending silly money and this fitted the bill nicely.
The map system does make a lot of sense – so long as you are using sub 12ftlb (and it does need to be close to 12) and are reasonably able to guestimate the range you cant really go wrong! I think it is a system that will be very popular.
I would rate this optic as very good value for money but dont expect the pin sharp image you would expect from a quality optic.
My only niggles are that the cross hair is just a tad on the thick side and I feel it could have been made a little more compact for a fixed mag scope.
Rup

[Tinashi]

Optics warhouse hmmmm, I ordered and payed for some mounts from them on the 15th of this month and still havent received them or a reply to 2 e-mails i sent them. The only thing i have got from them is a auto reply saying they have my payment.
Is this their normal way of doing buisness?.
Any way i asked for a refund and cancelled my order but no reply as of yet.
Idont recommend this firm at all.
Tin

[cr*pshot]

Optics warhouse hmmmm, I ordered and payed for some mounts from them on the 15th of this month and still havent received them or a reply to 2 e-mails i sent them. The only thing i have got from them is a auto reply saying they have my payment.
Is this their normal way of doing buisness?.
Any way i asked for a refund and cancelled my order but no reply as of yet.
Idont recommend this firm at all.
Tin

I think you'll find from others on here that they generally have an excellent reputation. I know that at the end of last week they had a message on their web site warning of delays in replying to enquiries because they were attending the Midlands Game Fair at Weston Park. I've dealt with them and found them to be fast, efficient and very helpful (and very reasonably priced). Why not give them a ring?

[turkey_man]

I'm thinking of buying this scope from optics warehouse. Does anyoen know what mounts come free with the scope as i'm going to be putting it on a webley stingray and it kicks quite a bit.

[robmunn]

I'm thinking of buying this scope from optics warehouse. Does anyoen know what mounts come free with the scope as i'm going to be putting it on a webley stingray and it kicks quite a bit.

Yep I got one the other day. Mounts are the cheap 2 piece hawke single screw type (HM5201 Medium mount 9-11 mm). Ok for PCP but I would have something better for a springer. Hope this helps

[putty1]

Medium height, single screw. Hawk??? budget I would guess, they have a sort of fabric lining where the scope body sits. I didnt use them.

[turkey_man]

got my new scope today from optics warehouse. They upgraded the mounts to double clamp for £5 and because they had ran out of 6X40 scopes they gave me a 3-9 X 40 at no extra cost.

Optics a fairly good (same internals as a normal Hawke sport scope) but i only got 1 free butler creek lense cap. Did everyone only get 1?

[corb.177]

Should have got 2 mate. Give them a bell or e-mail.
I guess they are busy and have missed one out. They do answer their e-mails promptly. :)
Top company regards service.

[nelsdad]

Nice review sub sea - think i'll bag one of these scopes

[Enthusiast]

I know this thread has been quiet for a bit but I have just bought one of the 6*40 MAP Hawkes for my .22 TX200HC and had to tell someone about it.

I was toying with the idea of an SR but went for the MAP as I couldn't resist the price.

After mistakenly zeroing at 35yds instead of 30(see, I need all the help I can get), I was confused, didn't seem to work too well :confused: . Having realised my error I re zeroed at 30yds and off I went. I placed spinners from 20 - 45yds and it did exactly what it says on the tin! and that's despite me using pellets lighter than recommended. Soon got the hang of 8-20yds and 50yds as well - you have to work that out for yourself and it does get a bit fuzzy at shorter ranges due to fixed mag/ no PX.

Only downers are the reticule is a bit thick and I probably should have gone for the 3-9*40 ( can't blame that on the scope though).

If you are put off these by the low price - don't be!

For the price, they are brilliant, I have only recently re-entered the .22 club and was having difficulty with the trajectory. Not any more, £40 well spent. It must be the same maths as in the SR, but you get the benefit for a fraction of the cost. Nice one Mr Jenkinson.

Richard

[offroading.net]

Ditto all the above, just fitted a 3-9x50 on a longbow and it is spot on with accupells, tried the bisley magnums and was slightly out over 35yrd due to thier weight but expected that.
Think I will get one for my TX too

[Sub Sea Sniper]

Had yet another cracking couple of sessions with this sight. Got a good four the other day in calm conditions, longest from 37 yards.

Took another 4 today in windy conditions. The last one was a beauty. He was on the opposite side of a barbed wire and became twitchy when I was about fifty yards away. I managed to get the distance down to what I guessed was 35 yards. He hunkered down behind a wee patch of undergrowth so all I could see was his head and I was shooting into the sun.

I guess I cheated a little by poking the gun through the fence and leaning on a strand of wire for support. Anyway, took the shot and he disappeared from sight but I knew I had hit him from the impact noise. I went over and checked and I had hit him smack bag in the sweet spot. He went down with not so much as a twitch.

I used the crosswind dots to place my shot and guessed the range pretty much spot on. I think it was maybe a yard out.

If you get good at guessing ranges this scope is a real help. As someone said it takes a lot of the guesswork out of a .22 pellet.

Sub Sea Sniper

[offroading.net]

would you swap your 6x40 for a zoom one? or do you think it okay for bunnie hunting? Fancy another for my tx200 and already spent too much this month :rolleyes:

[Hsing-ee]

why do you have to use such heavy pellets? is there no adjustment for say 14.6 grainers?

[offroading.net]

just trying them out, seem to drop a bunny in one very well, havent tried the accupells on rabbits yet, probably overkill but was a bit unsure with 177 ammo

[Sub Sea Sniper]

I'm happy with the 6x40. I can see the point in a zoom in case the mildots aren't true dead on 6x mag but mine works fine so I am more than happy. My old scope was 3-9x40 with PA so I spent half my time changing mag and twiddling the focus knob at the front. I like to keep things simple when shooting rabbits so I am more than happy with the 6x40. Quite simply, it works.

Sub Sea Sniper

[czowner]

Given this glowing review, I've bought myself a 6x40 for my Ratcatcher, I'm surprised that given my lower power output the dots are very close, the 20yd is spot on, the 35yd is close, 40 yards is pushing a Ratcatcher a bit, and I don't shoot rats at that distance. I was expecting the image to be blured at close range due to the magnification, but it's still a bit fuzzy at 20yd, could be my wonky eyesight though. Crystal clear at over 20 yards. Excellent service from the Optics Warehouse, and good value at £48 delivered with Butler Creeks and mounts.

[Ideot Savant]

Just ordered one from BAR to go on my .22 fenman. I use 16 grain pellets but the power is half a ftlb lower than ideal at 11. I'll post how it goes.

[Ideot Savant]

Well, got the scope today. Nice, I havent zero'd yet but small, light, clear optics and the object lens IS parallax adjustable with just a turn of the front bell and a finger nail in the groove around the lens locking thing.
I'll post more later when its all up and running.

[Ideot Savant]

It didnt work on the fenman. Zeroing at 30 the aim points were well off. I'll try it on my .177 prosport.

[Ideot Savant]

Hi,
6x40 map zero'd on my prosport and then I went a hft'ing....result was a bloody bad score. I then, after the shoot got a chance to see if the aim points were close on the zero range and once again they were well out.
So, with both a .22 and a .177 I've had no luck. As a cheap little scope I think they are okay, but it looks like I will have to work out my own aim points, so I may as well have just bought the standard model and saved a few quid.
I only bought hawke because of the promise of MAP, next ime its something else.

[ShootinGeezer]

I have just bought a hawke m.a.p and can not fault it, but then my old scope was crap!i followed the instruction's to zero to 30yds which i did but then found the aim points didn't correspond with the instuctions infact i can use the crosshair at any range 10yds or 40 and seems to be spot on,thats on my own 35yd range and under no pressure and set targets.

[chris ballard]

I know its not an MAP as such, but the maths is the same.

Just got a SR6 Nighteye and, after a slight tweak, it did exactly what it said on the tin.

I zeroed it a 40yds as per hawkes instructions (.177) and I had no problem hitting 10-25mm targets from 10yd out to 50yd. I had used 40mm knock overs at 55 and 60 and down they went (not too worried as I dont practice past 50 and certainly dont hunt past 40-45...though I might now just for fun (practice that it, not hunt))

I did find initially that the aim points did not coincide, but the reticule allows for increased drop with distance, so I just wound the mag down a bit (just over 10x) and they all fell in niceley, spot on.

I found put afterwards that the pellets were slightly heavier than they had specified, which explains the drop.

Just got to work out the new ranging sizes for the rangefinder, but TBH, with .177, I dont think the factor from 12x to 10x sub 50yds will be that great.

Soz fo hijacking the thread with an SR, but the theory is the same:o