Joint Best Rifle I've ever shot

[Gary C]

MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs

Electronic trigger and the pellet is hitting the rabbit while you're still fastening your shoe laces.

Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Slightly heavier than the 30ft/lb sports but balance is superb.

[Geordie]

MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs

Electronic trigger and the pellet is hitting the rabbit while you're still fastening your shoe laces.

Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Slightly heavier than the 30ft/lb sports but balance is superb.


Is this (http://www.tvcrazy.net/tvclassics/images/airwolf/airwolf.jpg) it? :D

Hmm (http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/2417/tonyb8ki.jpg) - I like the look of it though :)

[lionel]

Is this a special wind-up for Wolfie by any chance? :p

Lionel

[Farmerpalmer]

MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs

Electronic trigger and the pellet is hitting the rabbit while you're still fastening your shoe laces.

Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Slightly heavier than the 30ft/lb sports but balance is superb.

... and I'll blow your windows out :D

[verminhunter]

[QUOTE=Gary C]MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs



Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Gary,is the gun reged at that sort of power?and if so how many shots reged?thanks.
There is just one more thing,with the fixed bottle you have to take your air-tank with you if you want to stay on the reg but with the rapid you can take an extra bottle and dont have to walk back to the car for a fill,seen it a few times with pcp shooters ,think the rapid wins on this one dont you?

[Buggy2]

Not a pretty gun but i believe it can be rated upto 80 Ft/lb see the link to the BAR webb site for pictures. search BBS for more info due to be available 2006 I believe. Looks every bit as good as a Rapid. :cool:

http://www.airgunbuyer.com/webnews.asp?ID=346

[lionel]

[QUOTE=Gary C]MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs



Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Gary,is the gun reged at that sort of power?and if so how many shots reged?thanks.
There is just one more thing,with the fixed bottle you have to take your air-tank with you if you want to stay on the reg but with the rapid you can take an extra bottle and dont have to walk back to the car for a fill,seen it a few times with pcp shooters ,think the rapid wins on this one dont you?

Hi Verminhunter - I've had a quickfill put on one of my Rapids and the bottle is now permanently attached. I haven't regretted it for one second. I've kissed goodbye to having to worry about keeping the bottle threads clean and to having to dry fire. Loud pops are the last thing I want to be making in the field. I get over fifty shots per charge in 177 at 40fpe. That's plenty for me. If I did need more air and it wasn't convenient to go to the car, I'd probably buy myself one of those dinky carbon air tanks and stick it in my rucksack.

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Hi Verminhunter - I've had a quickfill put on one of my Rapids and the bottle is now permanently attached. I haven't regretted it for one second. I've kissed goodbye to having to worry about keeping the bottle threads clean and to having to dry fire. Loud pops are the last thing I want to be making in the field. I get over fifty shots per charge in 177 at 40fpe. That's plenty for me. If I did need more air and it wasn't convenient to go to the car, I'd probably buy myself one of those dinky carbon air tanks and stick it in my rucksack.

Lionel

Some would disagree with you as others would,just out of curiosity is your gun reged at 40ftlb?, Like to point out if theres lots of woodies on the field plus crows and magpies in other words alot of game inc rabbits you'll soon eat thoses 50 shots in no time cause you'll miss afew also,na I'd rather have an xtra bottle any time,I've had my gun with an xtra bottle for 2 and a half years and only changed the o-ring once,and with thousands of shots and thats not bad.Also if you take a good look the wolf and ranger they both look like rapids, same father but diffrent mothers :D

PS.and about carring on top of your gear a tank even if its made of carbon is something you'd want to think and look at very closely, because I would'ent and could'ent carry on top of my clobber a SCUBA-TANK that I have to take to the field which sometimes I might have to plot up at the other end, your having a laugh,a bottle is still alot smaller then one of thoses dinky ones your on about.

PPS,The both rifles really look nice by the way and packed with new moden tecno,nice,very nice,look forward to shooting one just to see.

[Gary C]

[QUOTE=Gary C]MK3 Air Wolf at 40ft/lbs



Fixed Buddy Bottle and beats the Rapid in EVERY department.

Gary,is the gun reged at that sort of power?and if so how many shots reged?thanks.
There is just one more thing,with the fixed bottle you have to take your air-tank with you if you want to stay on the reg but with the rapid you can take an extra bottle and dont have to walk back to the car for a fill,seen it a few times with pcp shooters ,think the rapid wins on this one dont you?

Fair point. But no.
It depends how many shots you need to take before going back to the car. The amount of times I've had more than 50 shots on a single huntin trip is minimal, and against that I hate the hassle of messing about unscrewing bottles.
Having said that, if somebody has a need for more than 50 shots a trip on a regular basis a bottle is an advantage.

[verminhunter]

I know what your saying and have made a fair point,they are the sort of gun that I like,but as said before very very close to the rapid and the mfr and as I have both of these theos it would be hard to get rid of them to buy these similar looking guns,just to say something quickly Theobens and Daystate to me make lovely rifles and if I bought anything new I would consider a Daystate,these are the only two manufactures that make a decent well-made accurate rifle with a good track record.

[lionel]

It sounds like removeable bottles suits your kind of shooting Verminhunter.

My Rapid17 isn't regged at the moment but will be soon.


Incidentally, the dinky bottles I'm talking about are probably only twice the weight of a buddy bottle. I'm sure a stocky chap like you could manage one on top of your other gear. ;)

Lionel

[verminhunter]

I'd really like to know how many reged shots your gona get ,I reckon you'd need 2-3 of thoses dinky bottles :D
then again a tall lanky bloke like you can managed lugging thoses dinky bottles plus your clobber and rifle and a few rolls and tea around the field :D

[lionel]

Unregged right now I get over fifty shots. Regged and with a higher bottle pressure I'd guess I'll be getting at least seventy. We'll soon see. You keep spinning and dry firing Verminhunter - if that's what floats your boat. :) But remember - no removable bottle means no bent valve stems. ;)

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Unregged right now I get over fifty shots. Regged and with a higher bottle pressure I'd guess I'll be getting at least seventy. We'll soon see. You keep spinning and dry firing Verminhunter - if that's what floats your boat. :) But remember - no removable bottle means no bent valve stems. ;)

Lionel

Let me get this straight your gona get seventy regd shots out of a .177,first the bottle your gona change too most prob will be a 500cc @250bar cause the other bottle is 220bar,your reg is going to be set at a higher working pressure say around 2200psi after that your off the reg,second the .177 wastes alot of air so the amount of shots wont be no where near .22 and your blowing out 40ftlb? to stay regd at 40ftlb your gona need alot of air and thoses dinky bottles which I assume is a 3ltr 300bar your talking about will get used up very quickly,thirdly thoses bent valves your on about is the thing of the past,the way I take my bottle off is sooooo quiet it's unbelivable,only bent one in all of nearly three years which is not bad and that was when I saw you round ben's having it replaced and now I've masterd it I'll take my bottles off all day long with no probs. So your gona have a scuba tank as a buddy bottle plus a dinky one(maybe 2-3) in your ruck sack plus your clobber,plus your rolls and tea,it gets better all the time :D

PS.Lionel just thought of something,how about hiring a caddy to help you lugg your gear around. :D :D

[lionel]

I don't have a small carbon fibre tank in my rucksack because 50+ shots is enough for me. I mentioned it as an option for people who don't carry buddy bottles and need extra air. it's obviously not an option for you Verminhunter, because your rucksack is full of tea and food. May I remind you that you're supposed to be shooting the rabbits, not feeding them.

If regging the gun gives me more then 50 odd shots then that is a bonus. I'm not getting the gun regged for more shots - I'm doing it for more consistency. I will not be getting a bigger buddy bottle.

And if my 177 "wastes" air compared to a 22 then your 22 wastes air compared to a 25. So if air efficiency is all you're after, why not get yourself a 9mm and be done with it?

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Hey,How do you know whats in my rucksack?,have you been looking in my bag? :D
I thought I was a few ham rolls short. :D

[brockly]

I don't have a small carbon fibre tank in my rucksack because 50+ shots is enough for me. I mentioned it as an option for people who don't carry buddy bottles and need extra air. it's obviously not an option for you Verminhunter, because your rucksack is full of tea and food. May I remind you that you're supposed to be shooting the rabbits, not feeding them.

If regging the gun gives me more then 50 odd shots then that is a bonus. I'm not getting the gun regged for more shots - I'm doing it for more consistency. I will not be getting a bigger buddy bottle.

And if my 177 "wastes" air compared to a 22 then your 22 wastes air compared to a 25. So if air efficiency is all you're after, why not get yourself a 9mm and be done with it?

LionelLionel that gun of yours is so so quiet I thought it was empty

[lionel]

Lionel that gun of yours is so so quiet I thought it was empty

:D :D

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Lionel that gun of yours is so so quiet I thought it was empty

:D :D :D
verminhunter.
Lionel need some air? :D

[lionel]

:D :D :D
verminhunter.
Lionel need some air? :D

Yes matey - I need some of your Essex hot air please.

Lionel :D

[verminhunter]

Yes matey - I need some of your Essex hot air please.

Lionel :D

Sorry Li got the wrong man,Dont live in Essex . :D :D

[Gary C]

If you two bicker any more you'll end up married..just get a room... :D :eek:

[verminhunter]

We dont want to rush things gary :D :D

[brockly]

Yes matey - I need some of your Essex hot air please.

Lionel :D
No his comes from letchworth I do believe.Alternative Calibre thats where I saw him anyway :D :D :D :D

[verminhunter]

No his comes from letchworth I do believe.Alternative Calibre thats where I saw him anyway :D :D :D :D

Nope wrong again,never been to Alternative Calibre only spoken to them,and I dont come from Letchworth,Lionel you've got to trust me, there must be a double that looks like me and people like Brockly are just spreading rumors. :D :D :D

[lionel]

Sorry Li got the wrong man,Dont live in Essex . :D :D
I was sure you shoot in Essex, Verminhunter. There've been several reports of strange noises in the undergrowth there. Frightened passers-by say they heard the frantic spinning and unspinning of buddybottles every few minutes, interspersed with the loud chomping of ham rolls.

Lionel :D

[Rapidnick]

Come on you two-stop it!
As a Rapid user I have to say two things: 1) the Air Wolf looks better specified than the Rapid but 2) so it should be because it is a new design building on the strengths and trying to avoid the weaknesses of the 'air rifle of the decade'. I would ceertainly like to try one. When hunting, 50 shots per fill is clearly more than enough BUT more shots for a given fill normally means the cost per shot is less. Also unless you have a compressor in your garage or a diving shop next door, the cost of getting your tank filled is not large but neither is it nothing if not only the shop charge but also the cost of transport is taken into account. :)

[verminhunter]

I was sure you shoot in Essex, Verminhunter. There've been several reports of strange noises in the undergrowth there. Frightened passers-by say they heard the frantic spinning and unspinning of buddybottles every few minutes, interspersed with the loud chomping of ham rolls.

Lionel :D

Nice One :D :D ,had'ent had a laugh like this for a while. :D :D

[kev hughes]

Pete and myself shot the Airwolf today. What a dream to shoot 40 ft/lbs pellet on pellet. It was so good we had to prize it out of Pete's hands (the gun) :D .

Anyone want to buy a MK2 FAC Rapid with anscutz triiger?? :D


Kev

[verminhunter]

Kev,what range was you shooting at plus pellet /weight?,cheers .

Verminhunter.

[kev hughes]

Only about 42 yards as that is all the room we had today and Daystate pellets @16 grain. Convinced me that I need one tho ;)


Kev

[verminhunter]

Thanks kev very interesting,40ftlb plus 16gr very interesting.I wonder how it will perform with thoses pellets of huge earls ,I was there this afternoon and had a good long chat with huge about pellets and power with a few guns and how a few perform diffrent to each other and why.The speed that the pellet was going to what you say is 1062fps,thats a very flat flight path,I notice that AA fields 5.52's they like 900fps again very flat and accurate,the only thing is out in the field these pellets are prone to wind,any wind even light breeze deflects them alittle and thats between 60-70yds,the bis mag is a much nicer pellet I found at thoses distance's and even longer in mild breeze,16gr's are good in windless conditions,like to know what the results would be like say for 20.5gr,21.4,28 and 30gr pellets,Thanks again kev.
Verminhunter. :)

[Gary C]

Only about 42 yards as that is all the room we had today and Daystate pellets @16 grain. Convinced me that I need one tho ;)


Kev

I told you so

da dit dit da da da dit..
You heard it 1st on the Pinky News Channel

[lionel]

Verminhunter - your Rapid/Bisley Magnum combo is beginning to look "soooo last year" :D .

Lionel

[verminhunter]

Lionel I'am very happy with my rapid,it's performance is outstanding with awesome accuracy and good shot count,like I said before I'am pushing out bis mags .22 850fps/34ftlb thats just right for me and at 72reged shots that I've tested my self with my chrono I'am satisfied with my end results,I'am waiting to see when a new lot of huge's pellets come what it's performance will be like,and I can take power levels from 28 right up to 40ftlb to give me any fac levels that I want,we have to meet up one day and have a shoot together,you bring your rapid and I'll bring mine,dont forget lionel many guns have come and gone but the rapid will always stay,it's title will alway stay with it voted air-rifle of the MILLENNIUM,happy shooting. ;) :)

[baz]

Anyone want to buy a MK2 FAC Rapid with anscutz triiger?? :D


Kev

I might :)

Baz

[lionel]

I might :)

Baz

Baz - it's in the for sale section.

Lionel :)

[lionel]

dont forget lionel many guns have come and gone but the rapid will always stay,it's title will alway stay with it voted air-rifle of the MILLENNIUM,happy shooting. ;) :)

Yes - but guess what? We're in a new Millennium. Seriously though, the Rapid is the rifle I take to the farm more than any other. I am very interested to see what this AirWolf can do though. On paper it sounds fantastic.

Lionel

[Gary C]

On paper it sounds fantastic.

Lionel

On Rabbits it sounds even better ;)

[verminhunter]

On Rabbits it sounds even better ;)

You wana hear my rapid WHACK a rabbit,head shots all the way,brought home 5 fully grown one's last sat,3 were within 45yds and the other 2were alot futher out around 65-70yds,pellet straight through the head,you could'ent ask for any more out of a gun and I know what this gun can do,the rest is down to me. ;)

[verminhunter]

Baz - it's in the for sale section.

Lionel :)

So is lionel's MK3 FAC. :D

[Rapidnick]

Lionel I'am very happy with my rapid,it's performance is outstanding with awesome accuracy and good shot count,like I said before I'am pushing out bis mags .22 850fps/34ftlb thats just right for me and at 72reged shots that I've tested my self with my chrono I'am satisfied with my end results,I'am waiting to see when a new lot of huge's pellets come what it's performance will be like,and I can take power levels from 28 right up to 40ftlb to give me any fac levels that I want,we have to meet up one day and have a shoot together,you bring your rapid and I'll bring mine,dont forget lionel many guns have come and gone but the rapid will always stay,it's title will alway stay with it voted air-rifle of the MILLENNIUM,happy shooting. ;) :)

I think Lionel was winding you up! :) :)

[verminhunter]

Somehow I dont think so nick,I'am worried about Lionel,I think he's got that Itchyfingerlietess,but I spoke to a doc who specializes in this type of illness and told to me he needs to take RAPIDOIED,it's widely available in leading gunshops and just 1hr treatment of sniffing a bran new one will have an immediate effect on his immune system and should see an improvment right away.Poor chap.
:D :D :D
verminhunter.

[lionel]

Verminhunter - I don't think I need your remedy, since I already own three Rapids :eek: two of which have been fettled by Ben Taylor. I just like to keep an open mind and try new things. For example - if you were to try an AWT silencer, I'm sure you'd be very impressed and rush out and buy one.

Lionel :D

[verminhunter]

I tried to get an AWT silencer but no results,we all like changes liney boy ,I'am thinking of .25 at around 45ftlb -50ftlb,got to sell the eliminator first which is sad really but there you go,sell it and then I'll make up my mind as to which rifle to go for.
Verminhunter. :D

[PHIL200]

a 177 at 40fp is it a bit noisey for hunting as the pellet must be breaking the sound barrier just a thought lads ;)

[Rapidnick]

a 177 at 40fp is it a bit noisey for hunting as the pellet must be breaking the sound barrier just a thought lads ;)

I think Lionel uses the 15 grain pellets from Bob. At that weight they would be flying out at 1100 ft sec so trans-sonic out of a 40 ft lb rifle. Maybe too fast but they seem to work so it must be the shape. I would expect a diabolo pellet to be hopeless at that MV. That is why I prefer .22 FAC and personally would never let the MV exceed 1050 ft sec.
Actually these days I prefer to use a 30 ft lb rifle with lots of shots, smooth as a lady's skin and accurate as an accurate thing can be. For other requirements, there is .22 rimfire. :) :)

[verminhunter]

I prefer to use with lots of shots, smooth as a lady's skin and accurate as an accurate thing can be. For other requirements, :) :)[/QUOTE]




What on earth are you on about you dirty air-gunner.:D :D

[Rapidnick]

I prefer to use with lots of shots, smooth as a lady's skin and accurate as an accurate thing can be. For other requirements, :) :)

Honestly Costas, I am talking about a 30 ft lb air rifle-our favourite (BT regged Rapid 2 FAC's). What are YOU talking about you randy old bubble you???:D :D

[verminhunter]

Honestly Costas, I am talking about a 30 ft lb air rifle-our favourite (BT regged Rapid 2 FAC's). What are YOU talking about you randy old bubble you???:D :D




You cheeky Tea Bag.:D :D

I will soon write about the carrer nick,so wait for it.
I 've been busy sorting out the carrer and now it's running spot on,I'll do a write-up soon on the carrer,how are you?.

[Rapidnick]

You cheeky Tea Bag.:D :D

I will soon write about the carrer nick,so wait for it.
I 've been busy sorting out the carrer and now it's running spot on,I'll do a write-up soon on the carrer,how are you?.

Costas your English is better than my Greek BUT your rifle is spelt CAREER.. Anyway, glad you like it and we all look forward to your review.
TD must be quaking in his boots.:) :) :)

[verminhunter]

Costas your English is better than my Greek BUT your rifle is spelt CAREER.. Anyway, glad you like it and we all look forward to your review.
TD must be quaking in his boots.:) :) :)




Your right nick I spelt it wrong,but not bad for a bubble.:D
Ere nick I give FREE greek lessons with abit of taramousalata thrown in.:D :D

[PEgunner]

What a lark! Don't know what is the best rifle, but I do know that this was one of the best threads
I've read in a long time. I enjoyed the friendly give and take immensely. Not only was I grinning
from ear to ear, but I couldn't help bursting out laughing! You guys should be on the stage. I would
pay to see you. :D :D :D

I think I even learned something, but my face hurts too much to remember right now. :D