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Geordie
29-10-2005, 04:20 PM
Well, I never thought I'd see the day it happened, but my trusty AAs410k may finally be going into retirement :eek:

As many of you know, my collection is 'expansive' to say the least, but although my cabinet has beasts ranging from a Rapid, Venom TX, Phoenix, Alros and countless springers, I've always used my s410k as my main bunny gun.

Literally thousands of rabbits have been taken with that rifle over the last couple of years, and I must say we rather get on well together. Any gun that wanted to replace this would have to be *very* good indeed!

Enter the usurper :eek:

I picked up a Daystate Harrier X with nice SE stock a couple of weeks back. Much love and care was taken in restoring the woodwork with a nice oil finish, and various bits and bobs bought/scrounged to get her put together ;)

I knew from first holding the gun that the fit, for me, was excellent - far more comfortable than my AA. The extra weight helps enormously on standers, and the thumb-up groove fits my shooting style like a dream.

Things were looking promising at that stage, so while I was oiling the stock I decided to try for an all-round 'upgrade' over the kit I was using previously.

The AA was pretty quiet with a BAR CF silencer, and an EB Sniper 10x42 provided reliable, clear optics for all my shooting. My only gripe was a lack of versatility in the 10x fixed mag, which left me at a disadvantage in barns, and meaning I needed a separate rig for dusk shooting if I wanted that extra half an hour's playtime ;)

I opted for a Bushnell Legend 5-15x40 scope, Harris tilt bipod and a Rob Lane 1/2" UNF silencer to top it off.

Firstly, the silencer. I'd not pulled the trigger on the Harrier at all so far, so after fitting the Rob Lane unit and dry-firing it, the 'click' that followed made me think the gun was empty. Removing the unit and trying again though and BANG the gun did indeed have a full charge :eek:

I've always taken these "you can only hear the hammer clicking on the valve" reports with a pinch of salt, but this silencer achieves that with nobs on - fantastic :D

The first thing that struck me on opening the box with the Bushnell in it was the length - it's bloody long compared to my EB.

Optically the Legend is excellent - easily on a par with the EB, in fact probably better due to the extra brightness gained in low light when you wind the mag down. Mildots are 'true' at 12x mag if you care about that sort of thing, and the crosshairs are of sufficient thickness to provide a sure aiming mark without looking 'cluttered' or obscuring the target.

Scope now mounted, I took it to the farm I shoot on for a quick zeroing session before I went beating for the day. I'd prezeroed at ~10 yards in my garden and got a .177 sized hole from a full mag without any trouble as you'd expect. After pinning a target to a hay bale I returned to my 'usual' zeroing spot and hit the dirt to tweak it in off the bipod.

There was a mild left to right crosswind, but five shots later I assumed I was missing the target - a closer look revealed a pellet sized hole in the black, just below the 8 ring :D Couple of clicks and every shot was sailing through the 10 with unerring accuracy - I was impressed!

I had just about enough time for a quick mooch round the nearest field before meeting up with the beating line, and I managed an effortless 6 rabbits in 25 minutes.

Overall I rate this rifle as a definite upgrade over the s410k - I'd always considered them about on a par in terms of market niche, but the build quality, matt rustproof finish and outstanding woodwork put it in another bracket; for my tastes certainly.

If weight was a concern I'd say stick with the AA as it's a good pound or so lighter in the shoulder, and my 'spare' 410k will remain my NV rig for that reason anyway.

http://www.seventyninedesign.com/shoot/pix/Dan/HarrierXSE.jpg

Dan :)

Jubei
29-10-2005, 05:04 PM
Now that is very very nice.i have a x2 ambi with a legend on top.Does that silencer come down over the barrel or is the barrel short,my barrel sticks way out past the cylinder then with the logun on the end makes it a bit long.
:)

Geordie
29-10-2005, 05:08 PM
Hi Jubei,

The shroud has been shortened by ~2" to allow the Daystate silencer/MFC to come back almost in line with the end of the cylinder.

HTH,

Dan :)

bennyblanco
29-10-2005, 05:09 PM
i had the exact same gun/stock/scope combo but used a weihrauch mod, it only went when i got the mk3 (and i only bought that because it had the same stock as the harrierX) and it went unused for a couple of months.
cracking gun, very accurate (58/60 @ north oxon), very quiet and daystates usual build quality.
only gripe i had was no over travel on the trigger which can be sorted.


ben

bennyblanco
29-10-2005, 05:11 PM
Hi Jubei,

The shroud has been shortened by ~2" to allow the Daystate silencer/MFC to come back almost in line with the end of the cylinder.

HTH,

Dan :)


the same thing has been done to my mk3 sport, makes then a lot more pointable although you loose a small amount of efficiency from the primary silencer

Geordie
30-10-2005, 12:02 PM
That's true - but with the RL mod on it I don't think the pre-silencer comes into the equation :D

I must say it rather looks the part too ;)

DAR
30-10-2005, 01:14 PM
That is a very nice rifle Dan. I really like the set back shroud. Did you do it? Would like mine the same. All you need now it a titanium trigger guard.
Like this (http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL63/1061244/2893633/78375458.jpg)

Geordie
30-10-2005, 01:17 PM
That is a very nice rifle Dan. I really like the set back shroud. Did you do it? Would like mine the same. All you need now it a titanium trigger guard.
Like this (http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL63/1061244/2893633/78375458.jpg)


Thanks David - I'd love a shiny TG for it - Ti or Stainless, I don't mind which :D

The shroud mod was done by the prev owner - by all accounts just a case of removing the pre silencer, lopping a few inches off the shroud, then sliding the whole lot back on again.

It's *very* stubby without a mod attached, and a bit lounder than standard as you'd expect. Balances perfectly with the lightweight RL mod on it though, and it really is inaudible in use ;)

Cracking :D

DAR
30-10-2005, 01:25 PM
Thanks Dan, I'll look out the B&D jiwsaw.
How do you fancy a day's ferrals, many hundreds, in exchange for some rabbit shooting?

Geordie
30-10-2005, 01:27 PM
How do you fancy a day's ferrals, many hundreds, in exchange for some rabbit shooting?

YHM mate :)

dazzpol
31-10-2005, 03:34 PM
Great stuff Dan, something about the rifle looks familiar though... :rolleyes:

Dazz

Geordie
31-10-2005, 03:38 PM
Great stuff Dan, something about the rifle looks familiar though... :rolleyes:

Dazz

LOL - would that be the mounts? :D :D :p

dazzpol
31-10-2005, 03:43 PM
Tis funny how things fit people differently.

I had an X2 (the very same X2 which is subject to much controversy in the sales section)

I now have a AAs410 and prefer that to the Daystate.

Great rifles though, may it produce freezer full after freezer full of bunnies, better than those bread crumb coated turkey things...... :D

Dazz

frogandtoad
24-06-2006, 07:44 PM
Nice review. pity it was bumped out by numpties asking stupid questions in the wrong section.about time this section was cleaned out, of non reviews.:mad:

arjimlad
26-06-2006, 12:50 PM
Lovely gun Dan, wishing you happy shooting.

Geordie
26-06-2006, 03:28 PM
Cheers lads :)

Just to update the thread, I'm currently refinishing the stock with oild to bring out the grain a little better - here it is so far:

http://www.seventyninedesign.com/shoot/pix/Dan/harrierrefinish.jpg

I've also replaced the Bushnell Legend with a Falcon Optics "Merlin" 4.5-14x42 with MP20 ret - luvverly ;)

dazzpol
29-06-2006, 12:25 PM
It's looking good Dan..;)

Dazz