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kieran turner
01-11-2005, 06:43 PM
I am writing this review based on a similar format to the tucker test in the airgun comics and it is 100% honest. This reveiw is based around my own rifle. There will be seven catagories on which I will judge this rifle and each catergory it will receive a mark out of 10. The final summary of this review is conclusion on how I feel about this rifle.( all prices used are based on uttings and will vary from dealer to dealer).


Stock

Personally I really like the sporter stock onm the HW100 it is a right handed bavarian walnut stock with two deeply cut peices of chequering on both sides of both the pistol grip and forend. The chequering seems to be in exactly the right place no matter what shooting position to take. This stock is much darker in colour and texture to the thumbhole version available and I must say as a fan of the thumbhole version I actually prefer this stock to the former for this reason. The pistol grip seems to make your hand flow with ease into the thumb up position and no matter how big or small your hands it still accomadates your hand in a comfortable and useable position. I beleive this is down to the swell on the right hand side of the pistol grip which is superbly designed. Another comment I must say about this stock is that it is typically german but with a touch of british class. By this I mean thta there is a a line nor angle or peice of wood wasted on this stock that was the german bit and the british bit is that stylish deeply cut chequeing that just seems to flow.

Total marks 10

Handling

Weighing in at aheft 8.3 pounds this rifle isn't really for the slightly built amongst us. I have to say despite its weight the Hw100 S comes onto aim very well and this is due to the excellent stock design. Although I have to say I also own the thumbhole stocked version of this rifle only in .22 and I beleive that the thumbhole stock actuaslly handles better in the standing position and just as well in the kneeling and prone positions.

Total marks 9 (loses a mark for it's overall weight)

Accuracy

How accurate is this rifle? It is not a question of how accurate this rifle is it's how accurate are you. I have consistently made single hole(clover leaf and single single hole groups) in my back yard range at 33y with AA field 4.52's. In fact I shot 3 shots at 5 targets on a single target card and the largest grop was 9mm c/c the average group size was a fantastic 7mm at 33y. At the recnet HFT event at bisley on the range I shot off a bech rest a 5 shot group a 45y and they could be covered by a 5 pence peice!

Total marks 10


Trigger

This trigger is in a word fantastic there is no hint of creep and it breaks just like glass exactly when you expect it to,it just breaks so crisply! This has to be the best trigger unit fitted to a spoting air rifle.

Total marks 10


Features

The features on this rifle are numerous first of all theres an industry standard 0.5in. UNF thread for a silencer. Then there is the silencer which is also included in the package and it has to be the quitest on the market. My advice get one. Next theres the on board pressure guage which I beleive is great but the positioning of it isn't as you have to look almost down the barrel to read it, this really shouldn't be an issue really as anyone with any sense never looks down the barrel whilst theres a pellet up the spout. The next feature is the on board safety catch which is simpleunobtrusive and best whilst out hunting you can check if your rifle is loaded as it won't engage unless the rifle is cocked. This brings me around to this rifles best feature its cocking mechanism its so simple yet so effective, it so easy to use you can't double load it the magazine is the best on the market . Theres no moving parts and it is made out of a single peice of alloy, next if you shoot HFT like me invest in the single shot adaptor it is also the best in the buisness. As you cock the rifle a tray popsout with a hole in it for the pellet to go in you simply then place a pelletin the hole then manually push the tray back in and push forward the cocking lever. Beleive me its much simplier than I just explained.

Total score 10


Ease of use

This is both the best and arguably the poorest part of this rifle first of all as explained earlier the cocking mechanism is effortless to use. But what possibly lets this rifle down is how you charge it, to charge this rifle you first have to remove the detachable air cylinder and fill it to 200bar by attaching the filling adaaptor directly to your means of air supply and the screw the air cylinder into the adaptor and then let the air flow until the guage on the cylinder reads 200bar. I don't really have problem with this charging method but compare it to a quick fill adaptor it just isn't as good or conveneint.

Total score 9 ( loses a mark for how you charge it)


Value for money

For the price of £510 think what you get a multishot, walnut stocked rifle complete with two mags complete with silencer. Compare this package with an s410 which is arguably the best value for money multi shot out there.

Total costof HW100 including 2 mags walnut stock and silencer £510

Total cost of S410 with walnut stock 2 mags and silencer £548

Speaks volumes

Total marks 10

I have to say this is a fantasticly accurate rifle, fantastically easy to use,and fantastic value for money.


14OVERALL SCORE 68/70

Raygun
01-11-2005, 07:32 PM
I guess you like it then.
:D :D
ATB
Ray.

Chris_L
02-11-2005, 09:38 AM
Kieran,

I am not greatly fussed about unscrewing the cylinder to refill it.

My Excalibre has the usual quick-fill system, but it really is not that much faster than the HW100.

I got used to filling the FWB P30 pistol cylinders, so the same thing applies.

The good thing with detachable air cylinders is that you can carry a full spare, so it's swings and roundabouts.

Enjoy your HW100 - our local pigeons do/did not :D

Chris_L
02-11-2005, 09:42 AM
Kieran,

I am not greatly fussed about unscrewing the cylinder to refill it.

My Excalibre has the usual quick-fill system, but it really is not that much faster than the HW100.

I got used to filling the FWB P30 pistol cylinders, so the same thing applies.

The good thing with detachable air cylinders is that you can carry a full spare, so it's swings and roundabouts.

Enjoy your HW100 - our local pigeons do/did not :D

Chris

nibbley-uk
02-11-2005, 07:35 PM
My hw 100 has chewed the thread on my cylinder and is now on its way to germany to be fixed, so i would have to say i dont like the removeable cylinder, but it is still a great accurate gun.Just wish we had the choice of removable cylinder or quick fill :rolleyes:

Gwylan
03-11-2005, 08:56 PM
You don't mention the best thing about the HW100, which is it's excellent consistency, due to the regulator. There is also the problem of stripping threads on the cylinder, which has been fixed on new guns, but hard luck if you've got an old one, and it goes. I find the balance point too far forward for me, and I don't like the shape of the stock, both personal points of view.
I like the trigger, but there are others just as good. Many people prefer the fixed cylinder, but this adds to the cost. If I had to choose between the AA S410, and the HW, I'd probably go for the HW, but I don't like magazine guns, and so I'll stick with my S400. If you want a regulated magazine rifle, with a walnut stock, and a silencer, the Hw100 is difficult to beat. If you're going to fit another cylinder, I'd rather go for a Daystate mk3 S.

Gus

Kes
14-11-2005, 11:39 PM
I liked it so much that I went out and purchased a Daystate MK3 Sport. ;) :D


;)

Baaaaaa-aaaaa-aaah! ;) :D

Kes
15-11-2005, 12:36 PM
My thoughts exactly Steve, too many sheep with S400's .........;) :p :D

Yep. I'll give you that one mate. Good response. ;) :D
Take it you'll be doing the electrical thang this weekend then?

Kes
15-11-2005, 12:45 PM
Nah, mate, shooting with my S400 on Sunday.:o ;) :D

LOL. :D :D :D

Jonster
18-11-2005, 09:08 PM
This is both the best and arguably the poorest part of this rifle first of all as explained earlier the cocking mechanism is effortless to use. But what possibly lets this rifle down is how you charge it, to charge this rifle you first have to remove the detachable air cylinder and fill it to 200bar by attaching the filling adaaptor directly to your means of air supply and the screw the air cylinder into the adaptor and then let the air flow until the guage on the cylinder reads 200bar. I don't really have problem with this charging method but compare it to a quick fill adaptor it just isn't as good or conveneint.

Total score 9 ( loses a mark for how you charge it)

I have the same gun, HW100S .177 and I have just treated myself to the Venom cylinder from BAR

I know this adds £135 to the rifle, but it makes a fantastic rifle even better

The quickfill is too easy to be true, I thought the 2005 s4*0 quickfill was good until I tried this, the Venom weighs about 1/2 of the HW cylinder which makes the rifle noticably lighter and the balance is now spot on, the center of gravity is brought back to the trigger, making standing shots much easier

Best gun I have ever owned, made even better :cool:

Cheers, Jon

Steyr
23-11-2005, 08:14 PM
I am an HW100 Sporter owner and I think this rifle has wonderful potential as an HFT an hunter rig.

Of the two stocks, I went for the sporter as I don't feel comfortable with thumbhole versions. This is a personal thing and I can also understand people having the opposite opinion. It is essential you get the right stock for you though so do try both.

The look of the rifle is a little ugly - but I always view the tool/function side as being much more important than the looks. The standard of engineering is excellent. There is a reasonably complex system but when the cocking lever is shuttled backwards and forwards, you get the immediate impression of a tight and well contstructed bit of engineering.

The trigger is, IMHO one of the best out of the box triggers I have come across.

The magazines are a little bit rougher in terms of quality of finish, but being rotary with no moving parts (all done by the action) there is a big plus in this design. No chance of the face plates, springs or internals getting seized up by dust, grit and the general detritis of day to day use.

The stocks cheek peice is too low though and it would be a nice option to have had this as an adjustable at extra cost and the abscence of an adjustable butt pad is remiss. The latter may help the cheekpeice issue. I have a Bushnel Elite 3200 10 x 40 (the one with the large all weather turrets) and this is quite a small scope. The problem is that you cannot get the sight quite far back enough to make it 100% comfortable and I have found myself turkeying (pushing your head forward) to get the correct relief. This adds a variable to something that should be consistant.

The front lens housing is also going to strike the action if it pushed back on low mounts and this scope is only a 40 !!!

If you used medium mounts, then the low cheek peice is made even worse so a bit of a catch 22 without the adj butt plate as a minimum.

My particular rifle arrived and when I removed the cylinder, the O ring in the front figure 8 stock/barrel support came off ? The reason turned out to be due to the bolt being 3mm too long and was trapping the O ring between the tip of the bolt and the air cylinder. This was sorted within a few minutes with a hacksaw and a file but.............

It was also running hot and they are not easy to turn down yourself so it is a trip back to Hull Cartridge if you want this sorted !!! What do you do as the temerature drops or rises and the rifles Ft Lb energy goes up or down.

Hull do "tune" the rifle for a specific brand of 4 makes of ammo. However, if this is not what you want to shoot or it is taken by the police for testing, there is a danger that you may go over the FAC limit. As mine was running at 11.7 on the recommended ammo, I felt this was far too close to the limit and got it pulled back to the 11 mark. You have been warned.

It has also developed a leak - I will loose the bottles charge from the full 200 bar down to the green/yellow zone over 48 hours - so until I can get it back to Hull, I am leaving it partially unscrewed until I have need to use it. This way, the charge remains intact and I know it is nothing to do with the cylinder itself. As the winter league is upon us, I will have to wait to get this sorted.

Rather disappointingly, I was filling the rifle and felt something on the barrel. I found rust. Now the gun has not been out in the rain so it was either condensation or salt from my hands (or both) and I was very surprised to see it on such a new gun. I have increased the Oily Rag regime as a result. The barrel is not the same finish as the action and the action does look more resistant to this enemy of steel.

The silencer in .177 is very quite and even better on the 22 version. It is almost inaudible in the open and still very quite in the confines of a room. The action does produce noise but this should not be detected by quarry down range. Pellet noise is a differrent thing though.

It would definitely be worth changing over to the Venom cylinder (the larger offering even better shot capacity as the undoing of the cylinder is a real drag. I take off the silencer for although you can remove the cylinder with it in place, it is fiddly and awkward to do it without the two making contact and possibly doing damage over time. This will be the next purchase. The tank I use is predominantly used for the snap fit connnector associated with air arms, so not only do you have to remove the cylinder from the gun, you have to remove the hose from the cylinder and fitter a connector. Real hassle and exposes too many parts to the risk of contamination especially if this is done out in the field.

The balance of the rifle is good and whilst this is of course a very subjective thing, I think most will find it quite stable on aim especially standing. I have also found standing with a sling improves things (tho on my S200 it was a complete reverse and I still cant make my mind up about the steyr) and again, the individual may find this an aid or a hinderance.

Fitting the sling prooved very easy ( I am not a DIYer of any skill) but so long as you go for the shorter bolt at the front end and look carefully where you are going to place the bolt, it was an easy job. Naturally this is a cylinder/action out bit of work.

A small screwdriver will allow you to take out the rear but plate bottom screw so you can hold it against the stock to guage the ideal place for the other bolt. Use a very small drill bit then work up one size at a time ensuring the bit is not wider then the bolt before each drill. I went up to 4mm for the particular bolt I purchased. The walnut is very tight and easy to work if using new sharp bits. I did mine freehand but a pillar drill would be more sensible if possible with the stock clamped in a protected vice.

In use, the rifle is very accurate single holing at 35 yards from a sitting position in windless conditions. At 45 Yards, I put at least 4 mags through a hole that would be covered by a 10 pence peice and that included a couple of brain outs from me. This would be better still if the cheekpeice was higher, with an adj. butt plate and the scope in the right position.

Despite the niggles, this is an excellent rifle, built to a very high standard and all the moving bits inspire confidence. I do not feel the mechanical side of the action will ever cause me great concern. It is built to last. If the cost is compared to that of an MFR, I would say the standard of engineering is better and slicker. I think this is a lot of gun for the money.

As a hunter or HFT rig, I think this will make a big impact. The Daystate MK3 Electronic is another excellent rifle but you will be spending considerably more money.........

Highly rated and that magazine option for hunting and HFT is untouchable by any other rifle that I can think of at the moment - especially in single shot mode.

Steyr

REEVES
04-12-2005, 10:32 PM
Sorry I am hijacking this thread so as not to see "silence your hornet in style" at the top of the page for days and days. I have nothing against hornets I have just sold one but come on please change the record.

As for this HW100 I will get one soon once fall out of love with my rapid(s).

Nick.

kieran turner
05-03-2006, 07:09 PM
Just thought i'd bump this review to the top even though I sadly don't own this rifle anymore:eek: or any hw100 unlike my name suggests:eek: They are fantastic rifles but I've moved on to grazing pastures new and done the sheep thing..... I got a MK3 sport( review hopefully coming soon). Anyway enjoy this little review of a fabulous rifle.;)

Gwylan
05-03-2006, 08:14 PM
Hang on a minute, you reviewed the HW100, saying it was great, then reported trouble with it, said you had lost confidence it, put it up for sale, then said it was a bargain. Seems like a mixed message to me..!

Gus

kieran turner
05-03-2006, 08:31 PM
Yes I did report trouble with it as after I sent it too hull cartridge to get serviced it came back and was shooting ****e! found out a few days that after servicing HC put some sort of oil in the barrel to protect it whilst the gun is stood after being serviced. Cleaned the barrel shot extremely well off a benchrest. But ME personally couldn't reproduce anything near this from standing or kneeling, I found that when shooting from the kneeling stance that I was resting my chin on the cheekpeice as the cheek peice is quite low on the sporter stock. This coupled with a dodgy scope just shattered my confidence in both myself and my equipment, in fact there was nothing wrong the Hw100 I just couldn't get on with it 'free standing' where as with other rifles I could just click with them. P.s for the price I sold the rifle for and the condition of the rifle(mint) and it's accuracy it WAS a bargain