Added an air rifle to a ticket yourself ?

[some bloke]

Some time ago I read a thread about someone putting a currently owned air rifle on to a Fire Arm Certificate himself. ( cant remember if it was this forum)

In short we can't buy an air rifle over 12ftlb without a FAC. But that should'nt prevent a FAC holder PERSONALLY uprating the power of his sub 12ftlb'r once he has got his FAC with a slot for a FAC air rifle, and notifiying his Firearms office.

I recall someone suggesting he got a sub 12lb'r put (by himself maybe?) on his ticket without stating its power - then raised its power to FAC levels.


Does anyone recall reading or participating in that thread?

I feel that there is a bit of a stitch up in the story that only an RFD can work on the gun to take it over the 12ftlb threshold. It's a bit like saying a guy cant put a 2000 cc motor into a 1600 cc car himself.

I am an FAC holder with an unfilled .22 AIR/MODERATOR slot.

[Rockhopper]

If it is leagal for you to uprate your rifle to +12 ftlbs then beware that it can NEVER be de-rated to off ticket, so you'll be stuck with it as an FAC and can only sell it on as such. You will only be able to use it on land cleared for same or higher calibers and you will need a slot for the moderator too.

I think the main reason that gunsmiths do this work is because most FAC conversions require a longer barrel than those fitted to legal limit guns.
A gunsmith freind of mine assures me that once you go past 16ftlbs with a standard barrel the groups go to pot as the pellets are stripping through the rifleing instead of engaging it. The longer barrels have a different twist rate.

PS you wont be able to take it plinking at your local FT club either

[Fluffy Bunny]

Good info Rockhopper (better than your profile ).

Are you saying that once a gun is stated as FAC it wil be permanently tarred with the same brush as far as the authorities are concerened?

What happens if it is 'de-tuned'? and sold not stating that it was previously FAC? I can understand that the authorities wouls 'spot' a shotgun, if you get my drift!

[Rockhopper]

If you add an air rifle to your firearms ticket all the numbers are recorded with it and you have to pass that onto the police, when you sell it or transfere it off your licence the police need to be informed again and to answere your first question, yes it will always be a firearm from that point onwards. [bummer] but thats the way it is.

You can never de-tune it and can only sell it to another ticket holder with the appropriate space on thier licence or to an RFD and you have to pass all the info to the police within seven days of transfere.

If you were to just de-rate it and sell it on that would get very sticky indeed.

[baz]

[QUOTE=Rockhopper] A gunsmith freind of mine assures me that once you go past 16ftlbs with a standard barrel the groups go to pot as the pellets are stripping through the rifleing instead of engaging it. The longer barrels have a different twist rate.

QUOTE]

Your "gunsmith" friend knows sweet FA about airguns then I have set up Rapids to 30ftlb with std 16 inch barrels and they will go higher if needed

The longer barrels have same rifling twist and depth they will allow more shoits at same power and also higher power at least on a PCP

Now you can educate your mate

Baz

[Tafty]

As far as i'm aware you can uprate a 12ft lb air rifle up to fac so long as you process an fac and permission on it to pocess that calibre rifle, I've uprated one before and had no problems just sent a covering letter to what i had done, came back as normal.unless things have changed in the last 18 months

[baz]

Tafty is correct, I am a RFD and at one time thought only a RFD could put gun on ticket, in fact I suspect some RFDs would still say that is so

Baz

[lionel]

I think Rockhopper might also be wrong when he says "once a firearm always a firearm". I've heard that some forces do allow derating.

Lionel

[snock]

I think Rockhopper might also be wrong when he says "once a firearm always a firearm". I've heard that some forces do allow derating.

Lionel

Just caught this thread.

Yes Lionel, I have heard the same thing.

[Tafty]

Depends in what area you live in as to whether you are allowed to detune back to 12ft lb ,dont think Leicestershire will.If you phone BASC they will say its a no no once on ticket it stays on ticket

[Gun Collector]

Just caught this thread.

Yes Lionel, I have heard the same thing.

Suspect you could be correct. I remember some years back my old gunsmith showing me a rifle he was de rating. IIRC the story was that the lad who owned it had died but his father wanted to keep it, though not on ticket. I believe the police were the one's who advised what needed to be done.

[Fluffy Bunny]

Hi guys, same with Taxes, some offices allow certain deductions others will not. So much for centralised government eh?

Perhaps you could just take the gun form one 'juristiction' to another until one of them says ok!?

[Eagleman]

Glad to here the views of Baz on this one. Some air guns are designed for way over the 12lb limit. My Diana is such an example and I fully intend to make the gun up to what it was designed for once I have my FAC. I have no worries about taking it "off ticket" since I have no intention whatever of ever selling the gun anyway. I intend to do the same with my BSA .25 Airsporter as well.

[Mr.Fixit-Norm]

I've just received my Airgun FAC this morning ( Well done Suffolk Constabulary, only took 4 weeks from visit to ticket )

As much as I'd like a 40ftlbs Rapid, I just can't justify the expense, so after much consideration I'll be off to meet Mr.Bowkett to have the gun `tuned' and FAC'd

I also wondered if the work was done yourself ( not that I'm capable ) how you go about putting it on ticket.

Incidentally, my FAC says that I can use the `.22 FAC Air rifle and sound moderator' on

"any land deemed suitable by the chief office of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

does this equate to an `open' ticket or am I misunderstanding the phrase above? , I did tell the FLO of the farm where I have permission to use an FAC airrifle ( even marked it on his map ) , but it's not mentioned on the certificate

Norm

[bigwalk]

i am thinking off buying a gun from yorkshire which is fac and the seller will detune it to 12 foot/ib b4 collection the gun will go to cumbria with me and never be re ajusted bac up will antbody in the force know where the gun has gone,has it got to be signed off this ticket ? or will it always be fac? i dont want to travel and find i cannot buy. thanks for advice