Time scale for latest crackpot legislation?

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Not sure how long the process takes.

So do those of you with more knowledge of the workings of Parliament think the law banning mail order sales of airguns will be active by July, or will it take longer?

[jamier]

i have no knowledge of the workings of Parliament btu i would say that it woudl probably be after july...things like this usually take quite a while to come into play and i havnt heard of a "true" set time yet so it will probably be quite a while away.
regards jamie

[zebedee71]

Mail order sales being hit WONT help reduce the wrong type owning these guns. Their Parents will just buy them from the shops for them instead

Besides most of the little bu99ers already own them by now.

All it will do is force buisnesses to close down and staff to lose their jobs and whats the point in that.

A simpler licencing option would have been a better idea. Bit like a Rod licence from your Post Office and no one under 17 can get one. All rifles you own MUST go on it (serial and type) and IF your caught outside with an unlicenced gun you face prosecution.

Of course there would be a counterpart to this licence in which the gun owner places their childrens name who will be shooting with them to cover the younger kids as even kids as young as 6 deserve the right to use an air rifle if used in the correct manner..

Licence would cost as little as £10 a year to cover admin costs and make a data base of which guns are licenced to cross reference against gun shop sales dockets to find the ones that have NOT been registered.


Same rule would apply for selling it can ONLY be sold to a licence holder.

Would be better than closing down the Mail order shops

Zeb

[wgmorgan]

The second reading in the House of Lords of the Violent Crime Reduction Bill is scheduled for two days' time, on Wednesday 29th March. It will then have to have a third reading and get royal assent, assuming all goes smoothly from the government point of view.

Because a whole new layer of bureaucracy will be created (ie. an airgun sales register) and some airgun-only sellers will need time to apply to become firearms dealers and reorder their businesses, it seems likely the at least some of the new rules won't come into force for a while even after the Bill is enacted. A mail order ban could theoretically be in force by July.

IMO it's more likely it won't be until later in the year or next year, but I'm sure there are others here more expert than me in these matters.

[bingo_beans]

TAX TAX TAX

Licence would cost as little as £10 a year Zeb

TAX TAX TAX

more and more tax and bureaucracy and paperwork and ****

[merlin]

the powers that be dont want the public to have guns.....any kind of guns.....they know it will push many out of buisness.....thus a crafty way of reducing the availability....true it will force dodgy dealers to comply but bona fide traders will go down as well for sure....

thing is crims dont give a toss where they get them from.....most likely stolen from law abiding shooters anyway i should think....

the orwellian nanny super state rolls on...

[zebedee71]

TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX

more and more tax and bureaucracy and paperwork and ****

I have to pay near 3 times that for a rod licence every year

Also i had to pay £50 for my SGC so WHY not for airguns?

Zeb

[Kes]

Also i had to pay £50 for my SGC so WHY not for airguns?

Zeb

You cant be serious Zeb.
This one has been bashed around so much already.

Put your details down and list all airguns you have if you like mate but dont moan when in 3 - 5 years time, (doubtless after more media-driven hysteria and airgun chavery) the government simply ban them and have a ready made "collection document" for the police/courts to refer to.

I cant believe some people think that licencing is a good idea.....

[zebedee71]

I am sorry if it upsets you Kes but i HONESTLY see this is the only logical way forward to reduce the ammount of misuse that is seen at the present time.

I am not having a dig at anybody here i am just stating Licencing CAN and most likely WILL reduce the ammount of misuse (as long as the laws are enforced fully)

I see it all the time. A guy walks into a gunshop and buys little billy a 250 quid gun and takes out a roll of cash (prob drug money) and buys the gun.

Little billy goes out and shjows his mates his new gun and they all play with it and little billy OR one of his friends decides it will be funny to take a potshot at a passing pedestrian

All because his asshole father don't keep an eye on little billy and would rather pay a few hundred quid to keep him quiet and out the house while he deals his crack

I am NOT saying LAW abiding people should be refused the right to own an air rifle for from it. I would just like to see the sport looked on in a different light where Airgun crimes are not in the papers or on the news every day.

My Son was once shot at the age of 9 by another kid with his AIR PISTOL.

his dad bought him it for christmas and boxing day my son was shot from his bike.

I dont hate guns infact i am quite the opposite but i do honestly think it's time for a more stringent control to assure they dont end up in the wrong hands.

If little billy is caught outside by the police with his gun then his father should be in BIG trouble for letting his underage son out to play wioth it in the first place.

The only kid who should have a airgun is a SUPERVISED one.

Zeb

[Raygun]

It certainly cut handgun crime when they banned them didn't it.

Licencing of airguns will just provide a register of guns they can collect from responsible shooters in the future when they are banned.

I can't somehow see the idiots and chavs queuing up to get a licence so therefore it won't reduce that sort of miss-use.

ATB
Ray.

[DeadEye Tom]

Mail order sales being hit WONT help reduce the wrong type owning these guns. Their Parents will just buy them from the shops for them instead

Besides most of the little bu99ers already own them by now.

All it will do is force buisnesses to close down and staff to lose their jobs and whats the point in that.

A simpler licencing option would have been a better idea. Bit like a Rod licence from your Post Office and no one under 17 can get one. All rifles you own MUST go on it (serial and type) and IF your caught outside with an unlicenced gun you face prosecution.

Of course there would be a counterpart to this licence in which the gun owner places their childrens name who will be shooting with them to cover the younger kids as even kids as young as 6 deserve the right to use an air rifle if used in the correct manner..

Licence would cost as little as £10 a year to cover admin costs and make a data base of which guns are licenced to cross reference against gun shop sales dockets to find the ones that have NOT been registered.


Same rule would apply for selling it can ONLY be sold to a licence holder.

Would be better than closing down the Mail order shops

Zeb

You gotta be joking, thats a good idea

[zebedee71]

Look i have laid my idea down and obv if others have said along the same lines i am not alone.

All i am stating is Licencing (not a ban) CAN have a impact for the good on the misuse of airguns as long as the laws are fully enforced.

I am not going to get into a huge argument or debate i simply wanted to add a little idea to the thread.

Obv you have your ideas and i had one of my own

Granted maybe mine is not an epiphiny but an idea non the less.

Lets just agree to disagree then.

It's not worth falling out with friends over is it.

Zeb

[zebedee71]

It certainly cut handgun crime when they banned them didn't it.

Licencing of airguns will just provide a register of guns they can collect from responsible shooters in the future when they are banned.

I can't somehow see the idiots and chavs queuing up to get a licence so therefore it won't reduce that sort of miss-use.

ATB
Ray.

How many teenage kids do you know walking round with handguns?

The reason most teens have airguns is they are currently not illegal to own without a licence.

Zeb

[zebedee71]

You gotta be joking, thats a good idea

Lets go off the idea Kes has of a Ban in say 3 to 5 years i beleive he said.

Do you think just because your guns are not registered they won't be illegal to own?

Registered or not they would STILL become illegal if an outright ban was enforced so WHY NOT bring out a register or a licence?

Don't be disillusioned into thinking that just because they don't know where millions of airguns are they wont impose a ban if they really want to.

Zeb

[zebedee71]

No mate, but spelling epiphany like that is though......

OK smart ass so i am not Mensa Material

Zeb