MAP - Fact or Fiction

[jabtas]

Hi Guys

I am thinking of getting a Hawke 4-16x50 AO MAP

Is the Multi Aim Point a useful tool or just a gimick

I would be using it for hunting and target work

You opinions would be welcome

[Gary C]

Gimmick
Stick to mil dots

[Maverick]

I have used one and thought it quite good, but mil-dots are better IMO

[Parabuteo]

Depends what you mean, MAP ret, or SR ret (which is also a MAP of sorts).

The spacing of the SR works really well with .177, not sure about the range finding bracket, although I have used it successfully.

Too many people (IMHO) expect it to just perform with their combo out of the box.

You need to set the mag for your pellet weight/power curve setup. This is easily achieved by zeroing at a set range as normal, then shooting at different targets at the key ranges and adjusting the mag to suit (so that the overall size of the gap above and below the primary zero change size do match the fall of shot).

I followed hawke's advice and used an SR6 for .177. This worked out well, as I leave it on 12x (where the range finding bracket is also true).

That said, it does give you (again, IMHO) reticules that make more sense (i.e, are spaced further apart as range increases). It is how you set it up that counts.

For my money, the standard MAP rets are so thick they would cover the aiming point plus some at any real range.

I am sitting on the fence with this one, I like it, but thats me. Its a step in the right direction though, as the ret is more tailored to airgun trajectory.

PS, thanks for the info on the Corsak Laser Gary. Info taken on board, looks like a little Deben compact in the pipeline...gotaa get em all....crop minching menaces!!GGGRRRRR

[Darren Petts]

I have the 3-9x40 and find it excellent. Better than mildots.

[SNAKEBITE]

Gimmick
Stick to mil dots

I am a sucker for the latest gimmick
It's lucky we have you around with your "bull**** meter"

[Gary C]

Lol

No I'm sure it works and I'm just a stick in the mud. I'm just uncomfortable that the flight parabola is portrayed in a 1 size fits all model. I prefer to look at each rifle I have separately and work out it's trajectory against a 110 mil dot.

That then works for x5 and x20.

[SNAKEBITE]

No I'm sure it works and I'm just a stick in the mud. I'm just uncomfortable that the flight parabola is portrayed in a 1 size fits all model. I prefer to look at each rifle I have separately and work out it's trajectory against a 110 mil dot.

I think I understand that

When I was reading about it I did wonder how it could cope with all the variants etc. If I remember correctly it states the power and pellet weight that it works at in the adverd doesn't it?
However changing one of those elemants is going to stuff it!

[verminhunter]

I found the mil dots better imo,some like the muli-aimming points other dont,to me mil dots are easier on the eye and more of a quicker aimming point.

[Eagleman]

I am sitting on the fence with this one, I like it, but thats me. Its a step in the right direction though, as the ret is more tailored to airgun trajectory.

I use an SR12 on my HW100. The other points Parabuteo makes about zeroing for your particular gun and ammo are a spot on. I personally like the reticle but some people find them cluttered.

[bingo_beans]

I think they are an early step along the way towards "distance-compensating" reticles and I also hear Vlad may be looking in this direction....Here's hoping.

As such I think its a bold move by the company to put the concept on the market so they can take the feedback and refine it.

Good luck to them. They will be the winners at the end of the day as they have invested time and money in MAP-type reticle research and development and personally I wouldnt dismiss them simply as "gimmicky".

You know in general I think innovative ideas should be encouraged and I know other folk like to be negative and slag them off but I dont think thats very helpful really. Then again I wonder who will get free samples for evaluation? And I wonder what will happen to the free samples in a few years time?

If we didnt move forwards with ideas and new technology we'd all be running round the forest catching our tea with a pointed stick........

[Parabuteo]

One of the reasons I like it is that it gives more meaningfull (to me anyway) aiming points, particularly with .177.

I did not get on terribly well with mill dots TBH. I use sights with MIll dots, 30/30 and SR, I just like the SR best for hunting.

It does limit you though if you want to change mags a lot, and that could be a problem, particularly if you are lamping etc.

[rusham]

I have the 3-9 X 40 MAP and I find the POI spot on and very user friendly. However, as per the instructions, it is designed for 11.5 FPE with an "average weight" pellet. Any change to these factors and the POI on the other dots are completley out.

[Candocad]

Gimmick
Stick to mil dots

Correct. No comparison.

Chris. (IMHO )

[Parabuteo]

I think they are an early step along the way towards "distance-compensating" reticles and I also hear Vlad may be looking in this direction....Here's hoping.

As such I think its a bold move by the company to put the concept on the market so they can take the feedback and refine it.

Good luck to them. They will be the winners at the end of the day as they have invested time and money in MAP-type reticle research and development and personally I wouldnt dismiss them simply as "gimmicky".

You know in general I think innovative ideas should be encouraged and I know other folk like to be negative and slag them off but I dont think thats very helpful really. Then again I wonder who will get free samples for evaluation? And I wonder what will happen to the free samples in a few years time?

If we didnt move forwards with ideas and new technology we'd all be running round the forest catching our tea with a pointed stick........

The thing is, for airguns, it makes sense.

The rounds have quite a quick drop off. It is exponential rather than linear (which suits the rapid drop off at distance).

None of this matters if what suits you works, I just cannot believe folk are so negative about innovation. Who knows where it may lead, just look at the feed back from FT/HFT

God help us if (or when) they ever actually ban lead after the beating Bob Ruggles has taken over Dynamics....one day, they may be the leading brand by default