Really useful review, I am now torn between s410 and HW 100.
Really useful review, I am now torn between s410 and HW 100.
.177" Harrier X, Hydrographically dipped with custom FT Stock. .22" S410k BTAS with walnut thumbhole stock. .223 Tikka T3 Stainless Lite. CZ Varmint 17hmr. Browning and Baikal O/U 12g.
I have AA s410 in .22 and .177 as well as an HW100s in .22, and must say that the one one most used is the HW100. I have fitted a Venow cylinder which makes it better balanced and a little lighter. I have used a Pellpax sample pack for each of my guns and come back to using AA Field pellets in all of them, still got to try JSB pellets yet. I may well sell both AA to get another HW100s in .177.
Regards,
Kevin.
Regards, Kevin -
Cornwall Airgunners Club.
The HW100T has been my reintroduction to air-guns after a break of twenty some years. Bit of a change from my Webley Osprey! Like the OP, I found the quality superb when I unpacked the box a few weeks ago, and I too like the heft of the gun. I'm probably not the only one who tends to equate weight with quality.
I don't find taking out and replacing the air cylinder particularly onerous, and I ensure the threads engage the right way by standing the rifle on it's butt, lowering the cylinder into place only using gravity and turn it between thumb and fore-finger which so far has ensured trouble free threading each time.
I'm shooting in .177, and having used a Pellpax selection of 38 different types of pellets, found Daystate FT in 4.52mm to give the best 10 shot group of a little over 1/4" at 28 yards bench rested (although not on a stand). Quite simply, this level of accuracy is a complete revelation.
Shooting at Lincs HFT club last night (with my wife having a try) I realise quite how quiet the latest Weihrauch silencer is, with it being barely audible at more than a couple of yards. I was also able to hear how well in compared with other rifles at the same time.
The gun as delivered was tending to creep a tad over 12 ft lbs with the H&N's I have been using, and being that kind of guy, I researched power adjustment and tweeked it down a smidge.
I am getting a very flat trajectory from about 15 yards out to 30 plus, with a drop at 40 yards of almost exactly 1 mil in the scope.
Weihrauch were one of the brands I lusted after when I was a lad, plinking in the back garden with my brother's 'Diana' (It was one where you removed the end of the muzzle, together with about a 7-8" barrel, and put the pellet in the back end of the barrel before screwing it back into place. Does anyone else remember those?). My years of waiting were well rewarded, and I feel my hours spent poring over computer reviews were justified.
I am quite sure the gun will be able to outshoot me, and enjoyed my first meander round the HFT range. I will almost certainly have a go at competitions as well as doing a bit of hunting.
Phil
I shoot the .22 version and find Crossman AccuPell very good. The one thing I do like is that the safety switch can only be activated when there is a pellet loaded. A great aid to check load when aiming at vermin whithout too much movement.
I've owned 2 HW100's (.177 and .22) and found them to be excellent rifles, compared to the daystate mk3 I would still pick my MK3 but I would trade the multi shot and single shot options on the HW100 for the ones on the MK3 anyday! Same goes for the trigger, also accuracy is well up to standard!
Fantastic rifle, i have one in .177 & find it likes accupells & JSB 4.52's. Where else can you buy a rifle, 2 mags & a silencer all in??? I used to shoot an AAs400 which i sold a year ago, &, although a good rifle, i would have to pay extra for a Lefty stock, spare mag & silencer which bumped the price up. The cocking action & the accuracy on the 100 is truly Awesome.
Sorry, I can't help you too much with your decision, other than to say the HW100 is a very good rifle and you would not be disappointed with it. However, I have never even held an S410, but they do seem to have many followers - so opinion is likely to be divided in an open debate.Originally Posted by EastbourneBloke
Fantastic rifle
I have an FAC beastie thumbhole stock in .22, and it is the best air rifle that I have ever used.
JSB Exacts have been the best for me.
I was offered a PX on my S400 of £300 + silencer minus scope for a HW100 plus 175 cash what do you think as im not sure what to do one question is how many shots do you get from the 100 in 177 at the moment I get about 70-80 shots from the 400 gassed to 190 psi
I AM NOT A NUMBER ! THE PRISONER
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133002
I am always wary of PX deals, as the dealer still has to make their cut when they sell it on. Would you be better off selling the 400 privately? Mind you. £475 for the HW100 is pretty competetive, cheapest I found it was a little over £500.
I can't advise whether this will be the rifle for YOU, but I know that I love mine.
Phil
[QUOTE=Recurve]I am always wary of PX deals, as the dealer still has to make their cut when they sell it on. Would you be better off selling the 400 privately? Mind you. £475 for the HW100 is pretty competetive, cheapest I found it was a little over £500.
I can't advise whether this will be the rifle for YOU, but I know that I love mine.
It is a 2nd hand rifle whoever owned it tried to remove the rollover cheek piece not very well it now resembles the cheek piece from the HW80 and unstained apart from that is is a nice gun but im thinking is it any better that my S400 apart from being multi shot and worth the extra £175
I AM NOT A NUMBER ! THE PRISONER
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133002
Goodness, a review of an airgun in the airgun review section
I have had my .22 HW100 for about a year and am also very pleased with it from the point of view of build quality etc. I have now switched the original Thumbhole stock for a Sporter which drops a bit of weight and feels more comfortable. Similarly have switched to a Venom cylinder to drop weight and improve the balance of the gun. I was a bit unsure about this but as soon as it was fitted the difference in feel became apparent.
I only use this gun for hunting which means that it might only get a magazine or two through it in an evening. At this air consumption rate I don't actually have to recharge the cylinder that often so I didn't have too much of a problem unscrewing it to recharge. The large O ring in the fig 8 bracket that cushions the cylinder has split on me, minor problem though. I actually liked the pressure gauge on the front of the OEM cylinder cos a quick glance at it told me where I was wheras with the QF cylinder I generally top it up every time in case of any leaks etc.
Now if HW also did a smaller lighter 'hunting' cylinder that was good for say 60shots they would be onto a winner. Lets see if the carbine one will fit ?? (update 10/07; it did so I now have one fitted !)
Slight word of caution from Hull Cartridge is that if you want to switch calibres or uprate to FAC then you need to be buying a new gun.
Currently running Accupels through it which are good though their consistency of production is not as good as it could be causing the odd flier if you havent been anal about pellet sorting.
The workings are heavily greased by the OEM so my next task will be to degrease, polish up the sear and relube which some have reported as being worthwhile.
Only minor complaints are;
1) that I think the pressure gauge would be better fitted in the stock as per AA410
2) Sometimes I have a rush of 5hit to the brain and after fitting the magazine I forget to to push the locking slider forward. I fire off the first shot OK then second shot - usually at a 'gift' rabbit - I end up dry firing cos the magazine hasn't indexed. I wish there was an interlock that simply prevented me firing at all if the slider wasn't fully forward.
All in all a top bit of kit.
Last edited by deeps; 25-10-2007 at 05:16 PM. Reason: update 10/07
hi is the hw 1oo as good as the hw90 and the 80 hadenm 1
hw100 allways wanted to try one but dont think u can beat mrk2 rapid 7. what do u guys think anyone owned both
nice shooting buddy
the hw100 is a good rifle but there not many mods you can do to them which is a shame and i think would be better if it was a cocking mec