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Thread: F T Formula

  1. #1
    shadow11ray Guest

    F T Formula

    So what is it?

    1 - Barrel

    2 - Scope

    3 - Stock

    4 - Pell'

    5 - The Guy

    How would you re-arange them or + -.

    Ray <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

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    mr magreggor Guest
    5
    1
    4
    2
    3 ???

    <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

  3. #3
    unqualifieduser Guest
    Ray, in a strange way I've been giving this some thought at the club today (I usually get philosophical when shooting round with Matt <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->)...

    I'd have to say "The Guy" and that none of the rest really matter. For sure, they play a part but there are some shooters who just seem to be able to pick up ANY gun/scope/pellet combination and hit what they aim at.

    What I'm gradually learning is that it's a "state of mind" thing. Getting the gun exactly as you want it is part of that state of mind. Confidence in the gear is a large part of being relaxed enough to hit what you aim at.

    If it were as simple as barrel, scope, pellet, stock then there'd be only one solution to the problem and we'd all be using identical gear...

    Paul.

  4. #4
    CWhytock Guest
    Hello Ray J
    Having competed in FT for a couple of years now I don’t think its quite as simple as going out and buying the same kit as the current BFTA champion – if it were then life would be very simple, and there probably would not be so many different rifles used for FT.

    To my mind doing well requires you to have 100% confidence in both your ability, and your kit, and to get out there in all weathers and practice . I know that having a stock which fits made a huge difference to my FT, but then that’s a passion of mine!

    Being a C grade FT’er with a Pro Target does not mean that buying a Ripley or Steyr or Anschutz or Feinwerkbau or AA PT Evo 2 will automatically improve your scores and make you an AA grade competitor. The same being true for changing your 8 – 40 × 50 Custom Shop scope to a Big Deben or Leupold scope.

    That’s my 2p’s worth. What do others think?

  5. #5
    Numb Nut Guest
    I think it helps if you have confidence in your kit. To do this, you need to do some homework:

    1. pellet compatability: shoot groups using the rifle benchrested with various brands of pellets (ideally on an indoor range) to find the best pellet for your rifle. If there are several good pellets, select the one that has the flattest trajectory. The usual candidates are accupels, aa fields, bisley magnums, daystate ft, h&n ftt, crosman premier, ...

    2. consistent velocity: with the chosen pellet, chrono your rifle over a complete charge and pick a fill pressure that gives you the most number of consistent velocity shots (usually within 15 fps)

    3. group sizes: using a benchrest check the group sizes of your rifle and chosen pellet at 55 yards (indoor or windfree day) are they good enough? does cleaning the barrel make a difference? what about pellet lube?

    4. rangefinding: test your scope's rangefinding ability for all FT distances 8 to 55 yards, re-do your scope distance markings if necessary

    5. scope mounting: use a spirit level and plumb line to ensure your scope is mounted correctly

    6. scope clicks: if you are going to be dialing for distances, test your scope's elevation turret for reliability and repeatability by adjusting the clicks up and down while shooting benchrested

    7. shoot benchrested groups from 8 yards to 55 yards and note down the number of clicks required or which mildot to use. Jot down the trajectory details on a notepad.

    Once you have confidence in your kit, put the benchrest aside and get in loads of practice! <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

  6. #6
    shadow11ray Guest
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UnQualified User:

    Confidence in the gear is a large part of being relaxed enough to hit what you aim at.
    Paul.[/quote]

    That's why I wen't t't beer club this af't <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    Ray <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

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    Matt Guest
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(I usually get philosophical when shooting round with Matt <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->)...
    [/quote]

    Whatever do you mean Paul?



    Matt

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    unqualifieduser Guest
    This'll come as a shock Matt, but I was being serious for a change <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    Watching you thrash me and Sam while using the wrong turret cap on your springer was a revelation!

    Also your advice on where I was going wrong with the Rip made a ten shot difference to my scores when I went round with the "last of the summer wine crew" yesterday.

    Paul.
    p.s. the Airmasters 77 arrived yesterday and it's brilliant!

  9. #9
    Matt Guest
    Paul,

    Glad it worked for you, was thinking of a couple of other things to try so if you've got time one night at the club, thursday?, or it'll keep til the weekend.

    Can't wait to see the Airmaster's.


    Matt

  10. #10
    unqualifieduser Guest
    Thanks Matt - does this mean we have to disappear into the woods again??? <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    I'll let you know about tomorrow - more likely to be the weekend though...

    Paul.

  11. #11
    shadow11ray Guest
    Had a go with a Steyr LG 100 today Paul. Not the one for sale but almost Identical.

    The left hand one of the two spuggy's @35, one pell' down one pell' re-set.

    Took me 3 pell's to reset with my .22 TX.

    Maybe a Steyr isn't a magic wand Paul, but some guns seem to have a little more magic than others.

    Ray <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

  12. #12
    unqualifieduser Guest
    Are you going to at the club at the weekend Ray? I'll bring the Rip and you can try the same test with that. The results'll probably be the same...

    I'll also be bringing the Airmasters 77K so you can try a "like for like" comparison with a tuned springer.

    I'll also try with your TX (if you'll let me) - and it'll probably take me a lot more than three pellets to reset the left-hand spuggy.

    Hmm... I've lost myself in my own argument <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    I think what I'm trying to say is that it depends on the person's state of mind not the gun. I KNOW I can hit that target with the Rip or the Airmasters (coz I've done it so often). I DON'T KNOW that I can hit it with your TX, so I'll probably miss it.

    In all honesty - when you picked up the Steyr (and was it Hotshots?) had you already convinced yourself that you'd hit it simply because you were using a gun with a reputation for being difficult to miss with?

    LOL - just read this back and the only thing I'm sure of at the moment is that I definitely need some sleep <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    Paul.

  13. #13
    shadow11ray Guest
    Don't know the guy's name, a big fella tho' + girlfriend

    Not sure about the weekend Paul. Classic Car meet' on Sunday.

    Ray <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

  14. #14
    unqualifieduser Guest
    Sounds like Dave (HotShot). I wonder if his wife knew he was with his girlfriend? <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    Unless the lady was shooting a Logun - then it's a simple case of mistaken identity...

    Enjoy the car meet Ray. I'll catch up with you soon <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

    Paul.

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