PMII Schmidt&Bender

[blue]

Blue...i'm sure i'm not the only FT shooter that found your replies a little patronising

In any form of Target shooting......if you can afford the best then use it, then if you miss its not down to dodgy optics or poor rangefinding.

Please don't belittle other shooting sports...it is called Airgun BBS after all, in fact IMHO there should be no mention of Rimmie/full bore/ shotties on this site at all.

Chris.

I was not intending on any form of underrating the FT scene at all.
My issue was that in FT, I found that rangefinding actually became more difficult with very good optics. The best rangefinding scope I had was a Tasco 8-40 Custom shop that had shocking optics.
The middle ground for me was a Burris 8-32 with good optics and good rangefinding, but I used the Tasco to calibrate the objective (before I had a laser RF)I used Leup and Burris that were designed for shorter range rangefinding. Also the use of spectacularly complex reticules made things more confusing for that application.
When I first saw a Nightforce, I thought the optics were good, but the rangefinding was no better than the Burris.


I would still happily admit that I gave up FT as I was never that good at it (despite spending a fortune). That was due to the difficulty of it for me. I would never suggest that FT was a lesser sport or easier than any form of shooting I have been involved in (good scores elude me in running deer though)

[ChrisC]

Nice post Blue ....my apologies for sounding a little harsh

[hareng]

The PM2 is a great scope worth the extra over an over priced NXS.

Incidently the FT 50 mag is still in prototype stages but near to finalisation then production.
In answer to this "What would the S&B do that the Burris/Leupold/Nightforce" Considering the first two are not available unless second hand, that only leaves the BR & NXS of which the S&B FT scope will be approx £95 cheaper!

[luddite]

I recently bought ALEMAN's PM II and I tried it at Ponte Air Rifle Club on tuesday, it will have a large sidewheel when it pops through my letterbox, but even with the standard 43 mm sidewheel it range finds extremely well. And the optics are absolutely superb. I'm using it for FT and if that upsets you 1,000 yard shooters tough. In bad light conditions I expect it to compare favourably with the best scopes currently used for FT.

[Teresa]

I recently bought ALEMAN's PM II and I tried it at Ponte Air Rifle Club on tuesday, it will have a large sidewheel when it pops through my letterbox, but even with the standard 43 mm sidewheel it range finds extremely well. And the optics are absolutely superb. I'm using it for FT and if that upsets you 1,000 yard shooters tough. In bad light conditions I expect it to compare favourably with the best scopes currently used for FT.

I've heard wonders of the optics, also that on 25x it has no blind spots, but what about the reticle? Isn't it a bit unyieldy for FT, with the wide spacings between the dots?

Teresa

[luddite]

I've heard wonders of the optics, also that on 25x it has no blind spots, but what about the reticle? Isn't it a bit unyieldy for FT, with the wide spacings between the dots?

Teresa

Nah, it's the same windage dots at all magnifications so if wound down to 20 mag it's fine enough for precise aiming. On 5 mag it focuses down to 7 yards, if the new 50 mag FT model is any better it will shoot the gun for you. I could actually see to hit a target at 25 yards at 3:49pm last night and I could see every hole. The optics are the best that I have ever seen and I've had almost everything.

[Jochen L.]

Hmm......

I'm currently testing one of that latest Prototype. ( I presume they wanted the impressions of a "normal" shooter )

Clear & bright optics

due to that its rather easy to acquire the Target at 50x in dawn & rain, even if its hidden in the woods, painted black and the faceplate is hardly used.

A very good rangefinder, at 50x it measures metre by metre even between 40 metres & 50 meters ( at 50x it goes rather sudden into a sharp image )

That one I've got is not temperature sensitive between 35° Celsius ( in a greenhouse ) and 8° Celsius ( the lowest temperature we had over here in the early morning )

If the low autumn-sun is directly in the front it becomes slightly foggy. ( but they have already sorted that out on the other prototypes, its only me who don't want to part from it because there are still some comps to shoot & I love it so )

I got used to shoot at 50x for I found out that my groupings from the normal shooting position are smaller and my scores have improved

The mechanics are highly accurate 1 click = 1/4 MOA not more not less as 10 clicks are 2.5 MOA not more not less too

The downsides IMO

The sidewheel is much to big ( 5" ) for I don't need a gap of 3 mm between 49 and 50 metres and a smaller one would be more easy to handle.

The top-turret is to low ( if the sidewheel stays as big as it is ) , for I've to dial with the right hand.

Its difficult to mount the index ( pointer ) for that sidewheels is to large.

Compared to my Burris 8-32x44 RA its brighter even at 50x and a better rangefinder in dim conditions.

Compared to my Bausch & Lomp 4200 36x40 brighter & clearer in dim conditions and a far better rangefinder in varying light-situations.

Cheers Jochen

PS @Ken you should have waited a while, but on the other hand what means technique & design to a real luddite probably for thar best.

[Teresa]

Nah, it's the same windage dots at all magnifications so if wound down to 20 mag it's fine enough for precise aiming. On 5 mag it focuses down to 7 yards, if the new 50 mag FT model is any better it will shoot the gun for you. I could actually see to hit a target at 25 yards at 3:49pm last night and I could see every hole. The optics are the best that I have ever seen and I've had almost everything.

Wow, that's what I call a reference!
In that case, congratulations on your purchase!

Jochen L., thank you for sharing the info about the new S&B prototype. Did they tell you when it will be on sale to the public?

[Jochen L.]

.......if the new 50 mag FT model is any better it will shoot the gun for you.

Definitely not, but it wont foul you by showing the wrong ranges ( as far as can say it after 2 month of use ) or having the crosshair on the wrong point. Just a near to perfect tool that makes you able to do your job proper.

But at least the best tool is only trumpery in a dump fools hand, as there is a saying over here. It depends on the shoot if he hits or miss. And this is the reason I want it, for I don't want to worry if it was me or the scope any longer.

To the reticule, there will be one that is designed by one of the BFTA- topshoots. The arguments for every mark on it are well & reasonable and showing the experience of its designer. I'm not sure if I may say more.

I'll use that reticule from the next year on, hoping that this is the next step to make it perfect.

As far as I know it shall be released in early spring,
Might be it takes a little bit longer for there where some minor difficulties on that ones having the reticule on the second focal plane, and there are some shoots that want to have this, in fact the majority over here.
I'm tiered to argue against that, for you can have both as you like it, so every fool to its own ( another saying )

Cheers Jochen

PS

I could actually see to hit a target at 25 yards at 3:49pm last night

It should be mentioned that we got one of the brightest moons I saw this year.