what springer to buy

[gadget]

hi to all

thanks for all the advice top draw.

seem to only be asking questions, maybe because the advice is so good

cheers

gadget

[Sam Vimes]

This is probably religion but I would steer clear of break barrels, especially second hand: they rely fundamentally on the barrel precisely lining up again each time. That seems unlikely to happen to me as the gun gets older. So I'd say go for an underlever.

Thankfully, that sort of idea seems to be ancient history these days. I've not encountered a quality modern break barrel rifle from a reputable maker that suffers poor lock up and barrel droop for quite some time. That said, you can't possibly encounter such a problem with a fixed barrel rifle!

[I. J.]

Thankfully, that sort of idea seems to be ancient history these days. I've not encountered a quality modern break barrel rifle from a reputable maker that suffers poor lock up and barrel droop for quite some time. That said, you can't possibly encounter such a problem with a fixed barrel rifle!

Basically - I agree, a quality break barrel has a wear adjustable breech bolt rather than a pin but I have seen at least one HW77 (fixed barrel) with barrel droop. To counteract this Sportsmatch do produce a droop compensating o/p mount.

ATB
Ian

[Ranyhyn]

Sorry to hi jack your thread.....
Ian/I.J.
How much could I get a new .177 HW35 for ? Can they be found for less than £200? Is it worth considering one thats been worn in? Is the K model screw cut for a silencer? I am getting tempted to add one to my collection at some time.
Cheers
Steph

[I. J.]

Sorry to hi jack your thread.....
Ian/I.J.
How much could I get a new .177 HW35 for ? Can they be found for less than £200? Is it worth considering one thats been worn in? Is the K model screw cut for a silencer? I am getting tempted to add one to my collection at some time.
Cheers
Steph

Steph,
I think HW35 are still available new to special order but personally I wouldn't bother with a new one (unless it was a 'special edition') when good quality second hand ones usually go for around the £100 mark, depending on condition, model etc.
I have only seen one '35 come new with a screw cut thread (the silver/black anniversary model in my collection HERE) and thats a standard length (19" barrel) version.
I have been known to shout the praises of the classic HW35.

HTH
Ian

[Davey K]

If you want a springer, Herr Weihrauch has a gun for you, whoever you are - I sometimes feel the twinge of guilt that I'm buying german and not british but then then I console myself with the thought that I'm planning to get a AATX at some point!!

[Ranyhyn]

Cheers Ian,
Yup over time I've kind of got the impression you've got a passing interest in them! I want to get the two below fully restored before I'm in the market, but there is a hankering. I would be wanting to reduce the barrel to 12" and thread it so wouldn't want to feel I was ruining something too collectable. Are they straight forward to update, does it require sending to a specialist or are there kits available?
Steph

[suicide jockey]

you have to go for a Weihrauch ,although the air arms is good it is only a copy, it's like having a Harley look alike, when you ride it: it still ain't a Harley

[max headroom]

no meantion of good old bsa in the thread. :-(
had two superstars mk1 was almost as old as me. now thats a good old rifle.
mk2 was just as good.
will be watching the sales seccy for a goldstar.
these can be bullpuped. i think it was 1998 when air gunner showed how.
dont know what it is, as the man said, but i get a better feeling after a night out with the beeza than with the s200.
probably the pcp seems too clinical?

[ikarma70]

Cheers Ian,
Yup over time I've kind of got the impression you've got a passing interest in them! I want to get the two below fully restored before I'm in the market, but there is a hankering. I would be wanting to reduce the barrel to 12" and thread it so wouldn't want to feel I was ruining something too collectable. Are they straight forward to update, does it require sending to a specialist or are there kits available?
Steph

no point in reducing the 35's barrel to 12'',it would make it harder to cock.
i have a 35k at 16'' and that sufficient for cocking.

updating a hw35....the newer 35's have nylon piston seal unless you mean fitting a stage 1 kit then you can't fit 1 to leather washer hw35.
it must be a nylon piston sealed version with minimal breech lock wear.

as i.j. suggested it better to buy a second hand 35 but do check that it has the usual weihrauch ''read owners manual'' stamp on the trigger/cylinder block.this usually indicates the gun is a 2000 and younger model.

[Jim145]

no meantion of good old bsa in the thread. :-(
had two superstars mk1 was almost as old as me. now thats a good old rifle.
mk2 was just as good.
will be watching the sales seccy for a goldstar.
these can be bullpuped. i think it was 1998 when air gunner showed how.
dont know what it is, as the man said, but i get a better feeling after a night out with the beeza than with the s200.
probably the pcp seems too clinical?

I can second that, my Goldstar is an absolutely cracking rifle. Smooth, sweet and reliable, ten shot mag too - still love it 13 years on

[max headroom]

I can second that, my Goldstar is an absolutely cracking rifle. Smooth, sweet and reliable, ten shot mag too - still love it 13 years on

can you wrap it in xmas paper and send as my xmas present.

[R. P. McMurphy]

There was a nice looking BSA Goldstar in the secondhand section at Trapshot/DAI last week if anyones interesed. DAI 01384265151 I think there open for a few hours this morning!

[alanl]

> Which springer....

As you've found, there are 20+ different answers.
The best underlever IMO is the Prosport. It is heavy though, but by far the best 'looking' rifle, and accurate.A good point is that it keeps its value well - they are always sought after.
The TX 200 is close, but suffers from a fiddly loading hole, and I think is a bit front heavy. The HW97k can be made into a really good rifle - probably better than the TX with a Venom tune,, but when new is nowhere near as good to fire as the TX. I found the balance of the HW97 to be better than the TX.
Break barrels. Of all the BB's I've tried, I think the Webley Longbow is the best.I've had mine a week now, and really like it. It is very similar in size and weight to a BSA Lightning, but is far superior when fired. I've just sold a Theoben Evolution, and strangely, the bloke I bought it from originally has also bought a new Longbow, and he also says the Longbow is better than the Evolution.
I had a Pro-Elite, and that is reputed to be 'the best' BB, but I found it front heavy, but it was good to fire, just like the Prosport but front heavy I'd say. The HW80 is very similar, though the HW80k with it's shorter barrel may be better.
The cheaper BSA's/Webleys/Gamos etc are not a good buy in my opinion, if you get one of those, you'll always be looking up to the 'quality' springers and wishing you'd bought one of those.
The best thing for you to do would be to either go to a good stocked shop, or better still, go to a Club, where you can try out different guns.Every gun fits people different, and what fits me well may not be good for you.
Another thing to consider is calibre - .22 shoots better in springers than .177 - less felt recoil etc. Bear this in mind if you only try out .22, but want a .177 - the .177 will kick just a little more.
Alan

[I. J.]

Ive only 2 words to say to a BSA owner - 'REKORD TRIGGER' !!!!!!

I have heard that Macarri does a spring suitable for a leather washered HW35.

ATB
Ian