Career 707 mkII sub 12ftlbs info required

[Davestate]

My m8 want's one of these after reading about them in the Airgunner annual 2004 <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" width="15" height="22"><!--graemlin:--> Thing is he, who doesn't have web access, doesn't know anything about them. The only place I can find that sells them is BAR for £439+£35 for a silencer. According to the annual they are £575.
1)Are they the same rifles and BAR are very cheap?
2)Are they consistant & accurate?
3)What are, if any, the pitfalls with these rifles?
Any other info would be greatly welcomed as his money is burning a hole and I wouldn't want him to regret it and hour or two later <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->
Rgds,
Dave.

[Coney]

BAR are selling them very cheap but they are the same gun as you would get elsewhere.

I have had a carbine version for approx 3 weeks and I love it for ratting but I do need to get a silencer <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

I have found it accurate to 30yds but I have not tried it beyond that as I tend to rat at 15 - 20yds max.

The only thing that I don't like is you can't just try a different pellet at the drop of a hat as they come set up for accupels and you have to make a few adjustments before you can try another type of pellet <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Alan.

[BuddyBoy]

VERY accurate.

Do yourself a favour when you get it and give it a tune - chop a bit off the hammer spring and lighten the hammer - will reduce hammer recoil and cocking effort and increase you shot count.

You will also need to tune (grind) the trigger sear.

For 12 FP definately get the carbine, rifle is OTT.

The shin sung silencer is OK at 12 FP (and very light), but not as good as a logun.

Bit wasted in 12 FP mode IMHO (and not a very efficient 12 FP conversion - more of a strangle !)

HTH - JB

[Davestate]

Jon, YHM.
Rgds,
Dave.

[a_john]

My 22 carbine is very accurate. The only draw back with these guns is the power curve. They drop off steadily and maybe more rapidly than some but very very consistantly. Reckon on 30 shots out of the 22 carbine but you can do more if you want.
The Career silencer should be about £20 or so and is FAC rated. Looking at the inards I suspect that it would be more effective at 48 ft lbs than 12. I don't think that the Logun is any better. It's also bigger and heavier. I'm looking at adapting a BSA spring silencer to mine. Much much much better than either of the above.
This gun is very heavily restricted for the UK market. Tampering with the internals can easily give a gun that is well over the limit or has very strange characteristics and the only way back will be new parts. I would advise leaving it alone. Only wimps and pansies need to adjust the cocking effort. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->
I have also come across one unfortunate owner that found that it wasn't a good idea to pay for a more shot's mod. The trigger mod just makes me laugh. Role pins do hold things very precisely.
The trigger is ok as it comes but you must adjust it slowly and as indicated in the hand book. Turn the adjustment too much and all is ok for a while and then the gun will not cock.
The A Team in the states do a regulator that may be worth fitting for more shots and level power. They can supply specials for 12 ft lbs but you will be on your own in respect to hammer spring strength and knock off valve pin length. They include suitable springs for the mods and are a helpful lot.
Make sure that you adjust the pellet stop any time you change brand of pellets. The loading mechanism is so strong it can cut pellets in half.

All in all I think it's a good gun.

[Davestate]

A John,
Can you mail me as you've no addy in your profile.
Rgds,
Dave.

[BuddyBoy]

yawnnnn...

the spring reduction reduces the power curve you mention (I get about 50), the trigger mod does not concern roll (or role) pins, the Career silencer IS way less effective than the Logun both a 12FP and especially at FAC levels.

How do I know all this - 'cos I got 4, two FAC, 2 @ 12 <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

The A team reg is great BTW <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

[a_john]

Buddyboy
Oh boy have you got 4? Wow. Do you shoot with both hands? <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> Your feet too? Sorry if I'm keeping you awake<img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->
I know that my spelling is crap. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Having said that though I have tried the Logun silencer and the one from Career and there is very little differance at 12 ft lbs. The Career is clearly designed for a lot more than that. As to it's effectiveness I would expect it to suit the gun running at full chat. ie. Adequate.

By the way. I haven't a lot of respect for any Logun products I have tried. Silencer, lamps or guns. They seem to be largely aimed at people who think that cost means quality and performance. Sugestion is such an incredible thing - it can even effect peoples hearing.

[DonFripp]

I've got a Career 707T (.22).

I shortened the hammer spring as per Buddyboys instructions, and found the cocking effort reduced, and the trigger was more crisp.

I was using it at 11.5ft/lb, but then added it to my FAC. Now running at 45ft/lb with Bisley Magnums.

All in all, a very accurate rifle, the price is reasonable, changing pellet brands does get easier with practice! <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Buddyboy has told me to steer clear of the Shin Sung ABS silencer, and I believe him. The Logun works well, but a Ripley silencer seems to have the edge at FAC power. But for sub 12ft/lb, the Logun is excellent.

Well, that's my two penith worth! <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Don

[a_john]

Here's to you Don.

I have put my email in the profile again. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> All you need to do is edit it.

On the power curve mine will draw a vertical line through the bull at 25 yards after about 45 shots so the pellet is dropping about .22 per shot at that point. I was expecting 50 shots so the gun went back to Rangeright. They sent back a replacement and guess what. There wasn't any differance. I suspect that the crowning on the 1st gun was slightly better though. The power curve was the same and it is still very consistant.

[This message was edited by A John on 03 November, 2003 at 20:28.]

[BuddyBoy]

A John,

shortening the ham,m,er spring will directly benefit the power curve. Reducing the hammer weight also helps in the same way, plus reduces hammer recoil, plus reduced piston bouce which can occur with a very light hammer spring.

All the careers come like yours as standard, as they are designed for FAC use (the hammer and spring are exectly the same).

Thus huge amounts of air are wasted.

Try the sielcners downrange, you'll notice the difference. AS I said the Shin Sung one is OK for 12 FP, but not half as good on ticket.

As to having 4, they break down as follows:

.25 FAC Rifle - lamping
.22 FAC Rifle - long range sniping
.22 12 FP Carbine - ratting
.22 ~10 FP Carbine open sight, silver action - cowboys and indians <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

ATB - JB